 The Nigerian army indicted, used live bullets on end SARS protesters and killed 11 persons and injured 4 persons at the Lecky Toll Gate. The death of Itinu Babalola in Ivory Coast Prison is raising concerns as Nigerians demand to know the real cause of her death. And would I always be reviewing the newspapers on off the press this morning where our guests of course would join us to have a quick review of the major stories making headlines across Nigeria today. Well good morning and welcome to the breakfast on Clos TV Africa. Thank you very much for joining us. I am Osao Gi, a Guamman. And I am Messi Bopu, it's a very beautiful morning and thanks for joining us as always. Absolutely and as always we get straight into the conversations this morning by starting with some of the biggest stories that have made headlines across the country this morning. Of course later on we will be speaking with certain persons concerning the end SARS protest and the report of the judicial panel of inquiry. That's going to make one of our major conversations this morning. But before we get there, let's talk about some of the things that are trending this morning. We'll start in the University of Elloran where a 400 level student has been expelled for something that shocked the whole of Nigeria. I saw the video a few days ago and I was completely stunned. His name Abdul Wahid Waleew who of course has been expelled finally for beating up a female lecturer of the University of Elloran. He had of course, according to the story, approached her because he didn't have something called the student industrial work experience scheme. He hadn't done that and so he had approached her for help and they got into some verbal altercations I believe and next thing you know, the SAS Fiscal Air Salting has eventually collapsed before he was apprehended and has now been expelled. And I'm not even sure what to say to him if I was his parent or if I was somebody close to him because you've done four years at the University and this is how you end up and this is what you do to yourself. All of the time, all of the resources, everything gone. Yeah, I mean it just makes absolutely no sense. I understand there's the angle and I saw a few people mention in yesterday that yes, when we talk about mental health challenges, it's not necessarily for people who are already naked and walking across the streets. You know, there are people who, even in their homes, people who you see at school every day on campus, at work, who have mental health challenges and it takes one thing to trigger it but it's still not enough reason or still not enough defense for assaulting any female lecturer, assaulting anybody at all. And it also points once again to the conversation on the safety of women in Nigerian society. Really, I'm thinking that his expulsion will serve as a deterrent to all the students who would think that they can actually practice this, go ahead and assault lecturers. The thing is you also have lecturers being assaulted and you also have a situation where students have been assaulted as well, so it's a two-way thing. I'm thinking that in an institution, because this person is a human being, if you actually missed a particular course or an experiment or what have you, you could probably still negotiate when can you have it taken. Well, you find out that there are a lot of lazy students these days around, not to say that you don't have the ones that are very serious and committed and dedicated to your work, but you see everybody just wants to get it across with force and all of that. It is quite shameful like you had mentioned. There's a system in every institution. That's why there's government in every institution. There's government everywhere. The essence you have government is so that we don't have Cures and Anarchy. And so things should be done in an orderly manner. So, for instance, if he's going to say the lecturer triggered, there was a trigger from the path of the lecturer and that's why he reacted. The system already creates means where you can actually address this rather than taking the laws into your hands. So whatever the case may be, it's not in anybody's hands to take the laws into your hands, whether you're a student or you're a lecturer. The system on its own has created all of those mechanisms where all of these issues can be addressed and all of that. So it's really disappointing to see that happen. Very, very sad. And sometimes I ask myself, I'll still say that again. We have lost humanity. Did you hit someone like that? She could be your mom. She could be anybody. I can imagine a man at home hearing that a student assaulted his wife. And then so we're going to be having the whole back and forth and then he comes and I saw the student and you know... Yeah, I mean of course those things I expected but of course very likely wouldn't play out in this case. I just feel bad for the lecturer and then also for the parents of the young man who now have to figure out what he's going to do with his life and you know how he's going to start all over from university again. But this is what it means once you've been expelled, you're going to have to start from scratch again in a totally different university, maybe a private university at this point. And if you're in the University of Ellore it means that the option of a private university maybe wasn't there in the first place. So... Is he going to start all over again? Yes, he's going to start all over again. And in situations like this he could also be charged with assault and that is of course a criminal case entirely. So there's so much connected to this. There is those who also mentioned that all some lecturers universities are so wicked and they frustrate students and some of all other. But there's nothing that I've been able to imagine that is big enough or that is that is that painful that would warrant such actions. There's nothing that I can imagine that would trigger a uto-fiscally assault a lecturer. You know yesterday I saw some comment because that generated conversation across different species. So I saw several comments, people saying oh you have done what a lot of us were willing to do and some persons went to disagree that. We never ever talked no matter how difficult our lecturers were. I never thought about having to assault. Up until this moment I still have good rapport with all of my lecturers, the head of department. Yes, I'm not joking. I can still call them up at any time. That was in my mind. So the truth is another point also is the fact that students also need to learn. So at Peraventure, yes I know you're in your final year and that can be very, very stressful to think that you probably have to repeat that entire process. That would be the reason why you have to repeat. Why did you not meet up? What happened when others were doing that? So if you have a valid excuse and if the lecturer says you cannot, there's no other chance. It means that you have to have a career around or probably come up for summer or next semester and that's not a big deal because we have not been taught that it's okay to fail. We cannot feel like failing is such a big deal. There's nothing wrong in failing. It's only when you don't even try. So it's okay to say yes, you have an extra summer to come through for, you have an extra cost to rewrite. And nobody's going to die actually. So take your time and do the right thing. That is something that I've also seen a few people mention that when people have carryovers or when people have situations like this where they missed out on a certain part of the university assessment. Exactly, they don't necessarily... So it may not be the same thing with this C-West pro-scheme, but when people have carryovers that make them have an extra year in school, you don't necessarily need to do that. You can really just have summer programs where people come back, pay a certain amount to university and rewrite those exams and then still graduate along with their peers instead of having them have to come back and do another whole year and have extra years in university. But in some universities the provision for all of that but my point is usually in the parts of the students where they feel like they can't even come back. I'm done and I'm done. Why am I coming back for summer? That's a lot of time. But the point is there's really nothing. If you don't come back, you spend an extra year and it's that hard. Some other thing that I was going to mention, the... Now I totally forgot. The university environment, the whole process of going through a university should teach you not necessarily just education and the course of study because he was studying microbiology, but it should also teach you about life. It should teach you about self-control. But that's the thing we're missing. Yeah. You know, we're really missing that. I'm referring to those people who said he's done something that a lot of us have wanted to do. Why didn't you do it? Because you had sense. You knew what will happen if you ever tried that kind of thing. If you ever assaulted a lecturer in university, especially to this extent, every one of them knew. So it's that level of self-control that they had, no matter how frustrated they were in university. I understand that there's some certain lecturers that are completely evil. I understand people who have had to spend extra years because somebody was trying to sleep with them and they refused to. Those things are completely evil and the university system still needs to do a lot more to protect students like that and ensure that those very, very rotten eggs are kicked out of the system. But still, that environment, growing, and going through those four or five years with different random faces that you've never seen before, should teach you a little bit about life. It's a part of your training. That's a very valid point you have actually raised there. It reminds me of the slogan of my university in learning and in character. We need to, but you see the truth is, I think we're more about having the certificate and that's it. So basically, however means you want to get it, just get it and that's it. So we forget about, because that's where you begin to even learn how to show up on time. Not show up late for meetings and all of that because you have lectures at a particular time. Compose yourself. Now for me, other things again that I probably would have learned from my universities were not allowed to wear sleeveless outfits. So it became part of me after a while. I feel very uncomfortable wearing a sleeveless outfit, especially when I'm in public and all of that. So you see some of this, you're very right. But I'm hoping that we get to that point where our universities will not just be teaching us the theories because mostly you find out that we're doing theories and teachers how to leave, live outside of the campus. Live outside of home. Outside of home and live in the campus and all of that and how to survive. Hopefully we get to that point. Absolutely. And luckily, of course, updates on the female lecturer. Her name is Mrs. Ramat Zakaria. Zakaria, yes. And she's of course a lot better now. She's stable and she's back to work, I believe. We'll move away from there for me, Laurie, and move to Oshun and Iqiti states where the APC has declared with regards to Iqiti and Oshun governorship elections that it would cost 22.5 million Naira for candidates to run for those seats. It says that the, of course, this is from the National Secretary for the APC, Ketica and Extraordinary Convention Planning Committee. It says 20 million Naira for nomination forms and 2.5 million Naira for expression of interest forms. Also goes on to say, and maybe they thought that this would provide some level of comfort, that for female and fiscally challenged aspirants, they would have to pay 50% of the set amount and not the whole amount. I'm gonna speak about that later. Why I don't think that provided any sort of comfort because if you are running for the same seat, everybody should pay the same thing. I understand it's going to be challenged, but there shouldn't be any APC 22.5 million. I know, I feel like we're just going to have an hour. We probably have an hour, we're going to talk about this forever. We should talk about it. No, seriously, it's coming from the premise that usually if you look at it, this is also to encourage females to participate. If you look at the participation of women in politics over the years, I mean, from 1999 to 1999, it hasn't been quite encouraging up until this moment. And so usually political parties across the board have decided to adopt that as a means of saying, okay, let's subsidize this for the female candidates and maybe that would also encourage them. In most cases, you'll want to say, I know you're going to argue that with me, that financially you want to say that they don't have that muscle as your male counterpart. I mean, a lot of things will be working against them. That's what you're going to say. I'm not going to say that. Because, you know, people are talking about equality and some of all of that, so. No, I'm saying. We all have the same 24 hours. No, so I'm saying that from that premise. I know you're going to bring up that argument of equality and all of that. I'm just playing. I totally understand the need to encourage more females into politics and participation, but I think it's not just with reducing the amount of nomination forms. There has to be an environment that makes women understand that they're comfortable enough. It welcomes females. Look at the percentage of women who are in the National Assembly. Look at the percentage of women. Are there any female governors? I mean, just so, if you look at it already, you can see the Nigerian political space and the leadership recruitment process. You know, already somehow, some ways, it makes it difficult for women to get into those positions. So it's not just making it cheaper. It is making the environment, making the little details here and there. But you know, we still have the cultural bias and religious concepts. And those are some of the things that need to go on. And it will take us a long time. I mean, looking at where we're from, you have some culture where women are not allowed to be at the forefront and express themselves. But I think if we're being serious, because I've said this so many times that I personally will always campaign for more women in leadership. Because men have failed. And we have, to be honest with ourselves, a lot of men have failed and failed woefully. And I feel like we need to give it a shot. We need to have more females in leadership positions, more females in the National Assembly, more females as ministers, more females as governors in, in some of all these positions. And let's see what the difference would be. Like, all that narrative of, oh, religious and cultural biases. But of course you know that that's a big issue. That's a big issue. How many persons are comfortable seeing their wives out there, you know, being actively involved in politics? I'm talking about active politics. I'm just talking about, you know, the elective kind of politics where they have to go out for campaigns. They have to, you know how it can be very tedious and all of that. I've seen situations where you have commissioners who are cabinet members of different, you know, governments in different states. And then you begin to hear the stereotype, oh, she is into prostitution, what a view. But you can't take the fact that that's part of the job that you have to meet people and you're not just going to be meeting males, I mean females. So it's not an assembly of female. You're going to be interacting with the male and female across different parts of the country and outside of the country. And some people can't take that for different reasons. So this is some of the factors. There's few people who have done it, not many enough. But there's a few people who have done it and I'm sure that I can say that if they've done it then any other female can do it. As long as they have the support from, you know, not just their families but from society. That's what I'm talking about. So we'll begin to change that mentality and the mindset until that mindset is changed, until people are able to embrace. I mean, up until this moment, so here we will see what's that. You end up in the kitchen. Yeah. But another thing, you know, I would mention because the main meat of the story of this conversation is really how expensive it is to run for a governorship position in Nigeria. And you can see on the show, say 22.5 million Naira. There is barely any young Nigerian. There's barely any civil servant who wants to run for those positions that can afford that. And that's actually the main part of the conversation here. Why is it so expensive? And why do you need to set that initial hurdle before a person can even drive by for those positions? And it makes people already start to look for where they can raise. Who has 20 million Naira? You saw the statistics with the number of people who are 500,000 Naira in their accounts across Nigeria. It is so poor. It is so poor. And it makes you realize that a lot of people that are living flashy lives, they are all as well broke together. It's a good bit of us. We are all broke. We are all broke. So a lot more needs to be done to encourage more people to get into those positions. 22.5 million Naira seems like it's a lot. We'll take a short break when we come back. We're going into off the press. What lead the story has made headlines this morning. We'll share with you.