 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt, and I'm Tyler Yeah, so welcome to the links cast. This is the Linux cast. We talked about Linuxy things and how awesome Linux is that's usually what we do to this time Well, not so much instead what we're gonna do Tyler is we're gonna talk about the absolute horrendous mess that Linux is and these are all based on recent Experiences and I'm when I'm talking about recent. I mean within the last half hour So this podcast did not want to happen like And it just didn't want to happen like it was like there was there's some kind of cosmic entity out there That said fuck off. You're not doing a podcast today. Go do something else Maybe it's time to go outside for a little while because you don't want to do a podcast All right, so Let's just first begin Wait, let's let's go back To Sunday, let's just time travel back to Sunday Sunday night. I was gonna do my first regular solo live stream in Months like I used to do it every Sunday. I got away from it Actually, I got away from it right about that time you and I were gonna do a live stream on 080 and My heart my audio fucked up. So after that I pretty much never live stream again Just on my own because it just obviously was not gonna work so last night I Was going to Or not last Sunday night. I was going to live stream me rising I 3 over and over again just to create some themes and Yeah, audio pipe wire fucked me over so that's when My audio problems decided to start so today Tyler and I Decided we're gonna do a podcast because we do a podcast every Thursday live on YouTube around 3 o'clock Eastern time It's amazing. Would people please stop adding me on discord Stop that discord freezes every time I get a notification. Okay. I'm recording a podcast stop that bullshit bullshit Me on discord. I love you guys every single one of you, but stop messaging me but in many ways we got we got on To do the podcast today and last week Tyler and I We literally had hard-ons for the whole freaking episode about how awesome Jitsie was and we talked about it for the entire Like two-hour podcast, right? I mean like at the beginning middle and end like oh my god I can't believe how good Jitsie is. It's so good It's I mean it's free and open source and amazing. This beats the crap out of discord 100% Yeah This week Tyler can't hear me his audio looks like it's coming from 1995 and I'm not talking 320p. I'm talking like 120p like Literally looks like you it would look good on a flip phone is what I'm talking about from like the 1990s And yeah, so Jitsie did not happen. It was horrendous like he said he couldn't hear me I could hardly see him. It was blurry. It was not good and Don't know what the problem was there like there's no there's no salute There's no changing like there's no set its settings to edit when it just doesn't work It's just either it works or it doesn't So Ten decided to go back to old faithful into discord. Of course all of our transforms in OBS were Set up for last week when we we literally Tyler and I spent an hour and a half last week Getting the transforms of every single scene In OBS to work with Jitsie with the Jitsie the layout and stuff So of course going back to discord ruined all that so Tyler I hate Linux So much what I love it, how can you how can you hate someone for something you love? so much all right, um pretty easily because Sometimes it's not it's not even Odd that you don't like it We got beat in so many different ways Just trying to record a podcast Because I don't know if you remember it But also before we even realized just how bad Jitsie was because I it wasn't even that I just couldn't hear you there was like a screeching like Crackly audio sound coming through the earphones that like shredded my ears and then before that I also for some reason could not get the actual show notes for today's podcast I forgot about that and I still I know exactly what I did so Usually when I push stuff up to get get lab I do get add and in a period that just add the whole thing it literally uploads everything right But I was told not to do that I was told just to do get add dash you which will just send up the updated files But apparently that doesn't actually work It didn't send the updated files because it's I don't know why I could just didn't do it So six six ten was sitting in my podcast files folder But it wasn't getting added by get lab dash you or get get add dash you It just wasn't there. So was that was completely My fault because I changed to the way you're supposed to do it and apparently that's not the way you're supposed to it Who the fuck knows how to use get I mean apparently nobody Peter just use you Adam. Yeah, it's a real simple Peter said we need our own Jitsie server We know we're we'll we will work on that this week. We said we're gonna do it last week, but Are you new here? It's gonna take us a few months. Exactly This week or next week that typically means in about three to four weeks possibly six We'll get to it weeks. I was thinking more in the long of three to four months range I mean it don't tell them until the last It took me like what three years to get a website up and running But it does exist it does exist and there are blog posts on there by the way So if you want to see some of my blog posts, you can go there and read them If you like those blog posts a week early, you can support me on patreon Just gonna put that out there. So Yeah, I before we go straight back into just piling on how much went wrong I will go ahead and say I stopped paying for I didn't renew my domain for zany.org and I've closed down My Gemini castle. I backed up everything I had on there, but I'm gonna stop paying for it And the kind of goal is to see if really like how many people would notice or even care because I'm spending About a hundred dollars a year keeping that up So I just want to see whether or not anybody cares because if people want it back I'll bring it back or if people would rather me just Take and get a website eventually Maybe I'll do that, but I just wanted to say like hey if there's anybody who does watch this and it Checks it out. It's not up Okay, it's it's not like it's been d-dost or something. I I know it's down. I do yeah Um, so Peter asked does my website have an RSS feed the answer that is no Um, of course it doesn't it will eventually Someday you know about what like about next week. It'll happen. It's definitely not gonna happen next week Brother that means about six months. Come on. No, I don't I I'm pretty sure six months is even kind of a little bit too optimistic The problem with the RSS feed is I I don't know how to do it second of all There's no feed to for it to grab on to there's just links I don't know if that will work or not because literally all my website is is HTML and CSS that's all there is there's no like blogging back and it's not word press none of that stuff So I don't I'm I'm assuming there's a way to do it. I just don't know how so If I figured out I'll figure it out Yeah, so yeah, no RSS feed It has been proven that website has proven to be a pain the ass to update though because because that I should have I really should have just freaking use wordpress. I'm just saying just just use wordpress, but it's too late now Yeah, the reason why not use Hugo was because I was much too Interested in doing it on my own. I was very stubborn about it. I should have used something else anyways, yeah, so Let's talk about pipe wire, shall we let's just dive into pipe wire Pipe wire is great if you don't do anything with audio I'm just gonna put that out there right now If you all you do is watch YouTube videos pipe wires can be perfectly fine for you like you're never gonna have a problem with pipe wire ever and It will just work perfectly fine. It's when you start doing other things like adding in audio interfaces and adding in OBS and try to do multiple sources from different places it's gonna screw you over and There's gonna be those people out there who said well, I've never had Problems with pipe wire even doing all that complicated stuff like I use stuff that would require a jack on pipe pulse audio and it worked fine well Bully for you, mister You know, yeah, like every time I use a distro that uses pipe wire by default Or as an even is an overlay for pulse audio It screws me over like every single time like I've never been in a certain in a single situation where eventually Like sometimes it works fine like it seems to be working. Okay right now Like nobody's and nobody in the chat has said the audio is bad Um But like There's that one time when you like you absolutely need to work like oh you're gonna do a stream and pipe pipe wires like No, you're not No, you're not It's just like I don't I Don't mean that's the thing with pipe wire. It will mess up in weird Situations and then pulse audio when it messes up. It's not a weird situation. It's just well, you're kind of screwed Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. So let me tell you what was going on and this is the stupidest thing like it is the Absolute dumbest thing you'll have ever heard So When I got onto YouTube and got all the live stream stuff set up and open up OBS and hit this the start Streaming button and was chatting with people in the that were wanting to start chatting with people You know, I got like a pre-show kind of thing, right and they couldn't hear me So I was like, well, you want to know what? Pulse audio and pipe wire. They always are mixing up input sources like you do an update it Forgets your input source and you have to go and change it back to it the default to whatever it's supposed to be Right does it all time. It's been doing it for years even when it was just pulse audio So I open up pulse mixer, which is what I use instead of Paw vu control. It basically does the same thing It's just in the terminal for nerds, right? Yeah, and I get into the inputs tab and Is doing the weirdest thing it's actually doing two weird things first of all I have an amp deck that's it's not my desk. It's where my headphones plug in all it does It's an output source like it Sends output so I can hear stuff Has nothing to do with input whatsoever Whatever reason OBS was treating it as an input like you can like you can you know, and if you go into Paw vu control and it has That one page where that only shows up when you have apps that are actually using the Your input or output, right and it tells you what sources that those are using. Well In that page one of the sources that OBS was using was the amp deck, which is only an output source, but it was for inputs like What I guess it has nothing to do with input whatsoever. It's all output So that was one thing was doing the other weird thing it was doing was that random devices Were connecting and disconnecting like they're they disappear come back on disappear come back on disappear come back on and so Well, if that was just one device like if it was just the DAC or amp, you know The DAC amp thing if we just that I would assume that was going bad, right? Because you know, obviously chords going bad or something, but no it was also doing with the internal sound card It was also doing it with audio interface It was like it was like somebody was randomly going through and I'm plugging one plugging back in one plugging one plugging back in Going then like doing a circle of it. It was so so weird those and And it would have been one thing if it was just one thing Going wrong and then the other thing going wrong or but these things were happening at the same time So I have no clue what was going on there So I went into to Pavo control actually decided well Maybe it's Paul's mixture that's going bad because I'm using pipe wire, right? so I went into Pavo control and the the pipe wire version of where the hell it is and did some Changing around so I forcibly removed the DAC amp from that one page where things only show up and You know changed it so that it was using the the focus right scarlet solo up there, which is the you know the audio interface and So then I opened up OBS again and The desktop audio source, which is just an output again. It's just an output It just records the output of the speakers so that you can you know record the sounds that the computer makes for what a reason That was being treated as an input source so when I was talking both my mic and the desktop audio were You know, you can see the levels going up. They're both going up at the same time So it was treating my mic here as desktop audio Sick like what? No, I know I was using pulse tools to mess around with pipe wire and and we've been blaming pipe wire for this whole time, but when I was just not when it was just pipe pipe wire because The thing is is like pipe they tell me that pipe wire is like a replacement for pulse audio But really most distro ship both of them like Arco are arch have both of them installed And they seems to use them both in some conglomeration of spaghetti that it tries to make an audio system Yeah, and most distros use pipe wire as an overlay for pulse. Yeah, and that just makes it so messy If if you are going to Create a replacement for put for pulse audio Congratulations, I congratulate you on your willingness to spend a whole bunch of time on creating stuff that we don't need but if you're going to shit or get off the pot and And make a replacement don't make an overlay for like I understand what they're doing they because it Would take it would have taken them years to actually get to the point where it was usable So they wanted it to make it so that they could work in harmony together so you'd actually use both And hopefully get rid of some tools like Jack and stuff like that in order to do more complex stuff, right? That was there. I think that's what I think their goals goal was anyways, but All they've done is make it so that occasionally your audio just shits the bed Yeah, and granted it did that with pulse audio too, but you're not fixing anything We talked about this before Tyler when We wondered why they didn't just make pulse audio better Yeah, which would be the like I mean that would be the logical route to go down But we don't live in that logical world anymore. People are spending thousands of dollars to buy NFTs Which are links to pictures So like come on man, like we live in crazy times right now Thousands of dollars hundreds of thousands of dollars for stupid apes Yeah, I mean there We have people who don't even Understand the most a basic of copy or like whether you're even against copyright or for copyright That's not even part of the discussion. There are people out there who genuinely have no idea What copyright is or how it even works because like I mean The world that we live in now like I'm I'm not surprised at all that we have Wayland and pipe wire both coming in and Wayland is more so ready for most people than pipe wire is like I mean pipe wire again is It's very iffy as to whether or not you're gonna be able to run it and have a good experience Without it being on top of pulse audio in the first place, which is a problem They've made it so Confusing okay, because and you're right Wayland is 100 times closer to being Shippable software than pipe wire is it's it's not even a conversation whether or not that's a true statement No, because you you know something is ready for prime time when Nvidia takes notice and decides they're gonna start You know making the drivers work on it. Okay, you know, it's that it's getting there. Okay. I mean that's like the barometer for Hey, is this ready? Yes Nvidia knows what it is. Therefore. It's a little bit ready Supports it. Yeah, it's it's probably ready. Right. So the thing with pipe wire is that We know what it is or what it was originally supposed to be right It was supposed to be something that would help fix audio problems. Just Non-technologically, that's what it's supposed to be right. It's more technical than that but whatever But since then it's now somehow become entrenched with Wayland as well to handle some video stuff Which is makes it even more messy and like We have this thing in the Unix sphere, it's called the Unix philosophy do one thing do it well and do don't do other things, right? Don't if you're a washer that washes clothes. Don't also be a Don't know a stove, you know Those those things don't really they're not the same thing they both might be near the kitchen, but they're not necessarily the same thing, right? Yeah, the Why are we why are they trying to make pipe wire everything? like like Are we also gonna have it be like a I don't know a window manager, too I mean I mean the problem is it's it's a half-baked piece of software as it stands now like pipe wire essentially in Most cases like I mean again Most cases is going to need pulse audio to even be usable in a like in a desktop environment, which is I mean if you don't I mean if you need a bigger example of something being half finished like Imagine your car most of the time needing a golf cart inside of it to actually be able to move from place to place like Like that's that like what like that's a problem And it's clearly half finished, but and the biggest problem isn't that it's half finished or That it's not good or that it causes problem. The problem is that every single distribution is using it Yeah, every single one like we're trying to switch over to it already Yeah, and it's it's not and a add on top of that so less So Sunday night when I was having the problem so I was like you want to know what fuck it I'm just going to uninstall pipe wire Did you know that it's actually easier to uninstall snaps from Ubuntu than it is to uninstall pipe wire from Arch? I'm just saying this because that's a true statement. It's absolutely true because did you want to for whatever reason it wouldn't even let me I had to MPD which has been around for longer than I've been alive Requires pipe wire as a dependency if pipe where has been installed Like it will work without it But only if you if you have pipe wire when you install MPD it then considers Paul pipe wire Dependency so you have to see yeah Because I mean that makes sense because if Arch has now switched over to using and shipping with pipe wire Because they're the one who builds their buying areas for the distro. You're gonna now they're gonna all be built with pipe wire in mind but It's just like every single So if you do pseudo Pac-Man dash s on pipe wire or aren't aren't s pipe wire and It tells you you can't do it. You know, you get those like warnings. Whatever say that this room This requires this whatever it was just like line after line like there was like 20 or 30 programs there That would I would have to install uninstall first and no doubt that every single one of those was also a dependency for something else so by the time I would have been done, I would have installed half of my arch system just to get rid of pipe wire and That's why I say it's easier to uninstall snaps from a boon to then it is to install pipe wire from Arch And that is saying something and that's just it's it's the saddest thing to say like Well, I mean, it's just it's It's very odd that we're moving in this direction because it like it's It's weird because we've gotten so far in so many areas of just making Linux like not just usable but but you being able to do a lot with it and It seems like we're taking like two steps forward and then one step back like just constantly I don't understand it like like we could be progressing much further Can we please stop taking the freaking step back like and Like I don't know how you fix it but I mean like even with us Trying to do the podcast Like So what was the the problem after jitsi? Because we still had more I can't I can't remember what the next problem was but it was we came over to Uh discord and the green flashing was back Oh, of course here because it's discord and I refused to stream with the the The green flashing I said really fuck it. We're just gonna do this the old-fashioned way just record audio only It was literally going audio only for the whole thing and I'm sure if that would have happened Something else would have went wrong too I'm honestly like seriously when we said at the beginning of this that you guys are lucky that this podcast actually happened You are lucky that this podcast actually happened. We should have gave up after jitsi because and Like I mean I had I had to ask for us to stream because I'm like, uh, I mean like I know there's a handful of people I don't know for sure are expecting us to go live and I'm like, I mean, I know we couldn't do it but like like Or I know that we could do it but the problem is is also what other problems are we going to find as soon as we go live um Which by the way this stream went up as unlisted Yes So like Not only Did the stream almost not happen when it started There's a good chance that we could have live streamed for quite a while without noticing that No one could even enjoy because it was unlisted In youtube's defense it was all my fault Because when you don't set up a live stream because there's like a default Live stream that's always available to you like if you hit live It's just going to go live but by default that live stream is unlisted So you got to actually go in and change that That's when you don't set up like a dedicated scheduled live screens drive streams So that was my fault and it was mostly because I was being lazy because I just At that point I was just done right I just at the point was like I had just spent another 15 minutes doing the transforms for obs Just so we could record the video And then we decided that I wasn't going to use the video to scream for me on discord at all So I had to set up a camera on this uh scene for me and tyler's using the one from discord um Which for some reason For some reason last uh Week we didn't do that. We I ended up using the stream from jitzy because it was so good It just made sense for us to both be in similar aspect ratios Not right now if you you're watching the video version of this you'll notice that i'm in 16 by 9 Tyler's 4 by 3 it looks really weird um And that's just because we're coming from two different sources and the transforms are a little bit different um I probably could go through and do make the transforms, you know a little bit of record zoom in on me but By that point I was just, you know Done so I mean you give me too many problems and Like it's it. I don't know. It's just one of those things where it can get really Annoying when you just want to get something done and like Today was just one of those days where like That's the statement of when it rains at pores like Rung true like very true because it wasn't just one issue. It was a back to back to back I want to plan Go ahead. The stream good. The stream has but has started out good as far as I can tell Yeah, nobody's complained about audio yet So i'm assuming that everybody can actually hear us and the levels are fairly decent like i'm not really too soft or something but um I didn't even bother asking if the audio was good I didn't even care All right, so I want to broaden our bitching just a little bit. We've been focusing on audio for just a few minutes So I want to talk a little bit about linux itself It's We can we can all agree that linux is linux like the the for the most part No matter what distribution you're you're gonna use you're gonna be using a linux kernel probably from the last year So unless you're gonna download like the previous lts of ubuntu in which case Even then you're you're gonna be using a fairly recent kernel. I think they're on 5.10 right now Which is from like a year and a half ago You're not gonna be using like ford off something which is what the uh debbing was using before buster came out or bullseye um The point is is that linux is linux when you install it on a computer No matter what distribution you have is you should have a similar experience No matter what distribution you've chosen the only things that should change are your desktop environment and your package manager Those are the only two things that should change Uh, but everything should function basically the same Because it's the linux kernel Which is what controls the interaction between the hardware and the software and causes things to work, right? That's the way it's supposed to go However, we all know that that's not the way it works Zany has found a home on gen 2. It seems to work very very well on his hardware Uh, but if he was good to go install elementary os right now Half the shit would not work Okay, i'm just gonna put that out there um Uh tfl has had similar problems on on some of his videos that he's he's made in the past where he's you know He's he's on ubuntu 18 out of four Four reason because he knows it works very well with his hardware when he's tried other Distros he's had problems getting things to work Every single linux user out there has had this experience where You can install one distro And it just will not absolutely work with something like the wi-fi won't work or the brightness is wonky or there's Excuse me horrible screen tearing or something and you can go to a different distribution that's using the exact same kernel And it works fine I can it works fine And you don't know why like there is no Reasonable explanation for why that's the case. It's linux. It should be a similar experience across the board And Yeah, yeah, yeah We can we can get into that conversation. I'm sure the the problem It seems to be With dependencies, right every distribution is going to give you different dependencies. So some of them are going to include uh dependencies that Things are that are It's going to require I lost words there for a second Rebooting Yeah Anyways, every distribution is going to send out different dependencies for the things that they are putting on their distro So if they're shipping like plasma or whatever But they're not shipping the latest version of plasma They're going to ship dependencies that are going to support that version of plasma and all the applications that come with it so For example, ubuntu is not right now is shipping a version of ganome Which is like a spaghetti mishmash version of of ganome. It has some You know i'm 3.38 stuff that has some You know 40 stuff some gonna 41 stuff some gonna 42 stuff, right? They choose the dependencies and the versions of those things and all that stuff plays into What your experience is on your system some of it doesn't actually interact with the hardware some of it does and That's the reason why when you go through and use a linux distribution No matter what kernel even if both distributions you're using, you know, use the same kernel why you would have a different experience The whole point I bring this up for is because I On sunday night, I mean everything seems to come back to that sunday night Like it's like a the it's the period where I decided I hated linux. Um, yeah I decided, you know what obviously vanilla arch is not for me Like I had been on vanilla arch there for about two weeks For the most part it was actually a wonderful experience. Like it was really good Like gaming was fine, you know, all this stuff was fine But I had the audio problem and uh you can't uninstall pipe wires. So I was like, you know Fine, I will go to mx linux. It uses debian debian stable even. Um So It says stable right on the on the 10 like it has to be stable, right? So I'll go to that I gotta install they wouldn't go past grub Like Like it wouldn't even it wouldn't even load up grub. It just sat on a black screen with a blinking white cursor and Like I've installed mx linux on my computer before I've actually used the exact same iso that I used this time and it worked fine Now it didn't and I don't know why it made no sense at all Like this is not a whole new hardware like my my cpu's three years old my gpu's like Five or six years old at this point. I mean like like not to me, but you know when it was released So I decided to go back to arco. That's what I did. I was like went back to arco. Um, and the funny thing right now is if I open up pavu control or pulse mixer There's still an entry there in the input section On on the input section where it shows my amp deck on the input section, which shouldn't even be there It still says obs is pulling from that input source Or that output source as an input like and this is a different distribution Like I don't understand what's going on See see so all of that to say Just people remember next week don't be surprised when the linux cast at the very bottom has changed to the Uh, bsd or you know like whatever cast, you know, just just don't be surprised that okay No, it's not that serious. I'm 100 sure that any problems we had on on the next week worse on mbsd I'm just gonna put that out there because it has I highly doubt it. Well, it's worse hardware support man. It has to right You think it'd be better I guarantee you it'd be better because it's just there's a lot less Don't like fuck up. All right. First of all obs doesn't even exist on bsd No, the yeah, that's not a thing. Uh, so but I could send you I have a script for Recording on open bsd or uh recording in stream. I could send that So if you have a with the stream like we work with multiple multiple video sources and all that stuff uh, you could do it but The cool thing is is the way that you'd have to do is you essentially have to use one workspot And like a load up like xiv or s sxiv or whatever you use for pictures Like load up like a full screen image like that you're using with the background the logo on it And everything and then you could take your two, um Web cam windows and put them where you need them on the screen and then start recording You lost me when you said one workspace. I'm just I'm I'm saying use one workspax not only you I'm saying use one. I know what you meant, but what I heard is completely different You tuned out everything I stopped listening to one word because I'm like this shit. I'm not doing that All right, um Linux sucks, but that's okay. So let's talk about something different for a few minutes. Shall we Sure, um If everything goes right and The stream actually works out like if I get on sun this upcoming sunday night There's going to be something special is going to happen on my youtube channel I'm going to be installing gentoo live um Now boys We know from experience and from Damn it. Josh. Don't at me on discord I thought that was on my end for a second. I was like Discord freezes every time you at me. Okay, just And there is a streaming mode in um Discord but for whatever reason usually that Enables itself like when you don't want to enable this time it didn't offer to enable us. Oh, it's true. Um Yeah, anyways the Sunday night if I can get the stream up and running where it will actually work I'm going to be installing gentoo now. The reason why is because um, robert, uh, a Robert a robert m. I can't remember his last name. Um, it has graciously donated well over $200 to my patreon page and um Got a bracken legend, dude. Oh, he got me briefly above the goal for my gentoo thing So i'm going to be installing gentoo at least in part on sunday night I reason why I say it's in part because if um, I get tired I'll pause it and we'll just pick it up a week later. Okay If it's just I can only stream for about an hour and a half. So No, I'm so excited for this. I mean, I wish I could kiss the ground this man walks on um, because he's Uh, I mean he should live in infim infamy forever endeavor endeavor like Dude, what a g bro like spent Over 200 bucks just so that we could all get the pleasure of watching you install gentoo and having a great time like Like the fun the fun thing will be the stream starting and you bitching like this is fucking So terrible. I hate this. This is gonna suck ass and then like after an hour you're like, wait, I'm almost done and Um, it's really not that bad. Uh, I kind of like portage Like yeah, we'll see if that happens. So the the thing I'm worried There's a couple things that I'm worried about first of all. I'm worried that the stream is not gonna work So if you guys come to the stream sunday night, it's coming probably around eight o'clock eastern time or so um Use a kabon to live usb and you'll be fine. Just install discord or what I was planning on doing was just using my install of arco Because i'm not gonna be putting it on the same hard drive. I'm gonna be putting on another hard drive Okay, yeah, that'll work fine. There's no problem doing that So that's that was that's my plan that way. Don't just worry about it alive. I saw nothing like I have another hard drive in my computer He did it again He did it again Josh i'm banning you stop that No, I will say what what you will find out is uh, you will have a bad time if you do not read the tips in the handbook When you're installing from like a different installation media or whatever The tips there they're green and red And just read them. I'm not worried about the the documentation The documentation is going to be fine. There's there's actually there's three things we're going to the stream is number one The second one is figuring out which ISO to download because let the last time I tried this I downloaded the system di so and apparently That's the wrong thing to do. Yes Okay, very much so that's fine. Do not use system d on gen 2. All right I'm already finding myself not liking gen 2. I'm just going to point that out because frankly, I like system d the second the second look you can but for Like you can and you can also have a great time with system d on gen 2 But for your first install and your first system like getting into and using gen 2 You don't want system d because you're much more likely to hit an issue and not know Like it's more complicated to figure out what caused the issue when you're not familiar with gen 2 itself And you're trying to install system d which is not there recommended in that system That's fine. I will try something other than this system d but I've been told that Installing system d on gen 2 is not a good idea. Of course, josh was in the church. Yes. Oh system d is fine That's the third thing that i'm worried about is i'm going to have josh On one end telling me that that system d is fine. You should use system d Or whatever you want Uh, and i'm going to have ben on the other side telling me know you should do it this way And then i'm going to have a third person say no that this is the right way to do it Um, that's my biggest worry and josh, that's the reason why I didn't take you right up on you know Actually helping me because i'm going to have nine people helping me that i'm going to have nine different ways of doing it And at the end of it, i'm not going to have a gen to install No, it's it's really fun. I'm sure i'm like josh is not lying system d is really simple And if you let him walk you through it Yes, you'd be fine Like that's the thing with the gen to if you try and do it yourself You're so likely to just skip apart or think that you don't need to read it or whatever That's almost always what causes an issue Half of a mind to do a run through in the next couple days on my own so I can discover some problem areas where I might need some help But also like I said like I love my community I like I love all of you guys like every single one of you you're all fantastic And everyone who's tried to get me to switch to gen two or use gen two over the last year and a half I love all you guys too. You're a little bit on the trolley side, especially you josh, but But I love you guys the problem is that you all have installed gen two in a different way Like every single one of you have done some steps differently And you're all you're gonna be in the chat On sunday night telling me this is the way you do it and i'm gonna forget that i've been following this one guide Like this is the this is the path that I've chosen to walk down But i'm gonna listen to this dude over here who's done something differently and then go back to the guide and those two paths that If you follow, you know, if you just follow that one path, it's gonna get you to the end But if you mix them You're gonna end up somewhere else. That's what I've told you. I I've told you this I don't know if it was on the podcast or in private But I've also told other people this pick one you pick one person And as long as that person like the only The only thing that you pick that person for like whoever you're gonna pick that's used gen two or is using gen two Like you pick that one person because they're gonna be there for they promise to be there throughout the entire install And as long as they'll do the entire install with you let you ask questions Just pick one because don't follow anybody else. Don't break it up Have one person. Let them either join the call with you or whatever I am I am going to have the VC open in my discord server and there will be I know ben has said he's going to be there. Josh has said he might pop in Um, I'm you'll probably be there probably. Um, so we'll see how it goes. Um, I'm Look if ben's in there like look josh Josh love you death brother. You're a great guy but um, it bends in there let ben walk you through it because Ben ben has like a lot of patience and he will death I mean he will and I I have asked been some of the dumbest questions that a human being can definitely ask the other one and he's been He's been super nice and patiently walking through and what questions All right. Well, we'll see how it goes um It's gonna be an interesting experience because I have promised not only to install it but actually live in it for a week Obviously living in a week in in it for a week is going to be predicated on it actually being installed and usable Because if I can't actually get in there and do work I can't use that's one of the reasons why it's being installed on a secondary hard drive That I can If if something goes wrong, I can just say, you know, fuck this. I'm going back to arco. I have my arc go install It works fine So that's the reason why So, um, yeah, it's good. It's it's going to be a very I want to say it's going to be a fun experience Um, and I'm sure I'm going to learn a lot, but I'm also sure that I'm sure that by the end of the stream. I'm going to Be very very frustrated And for co-advised by the way, uh, oh wait a minute. I'm fat. I didn't know I was fat I woke up this morning looked in the mirror. Oh no, what happened? By the way, that's a louis anderson joke Fat comedian I can't I can't remember the guy's name. There was another comedian that had the same I know it was a ralphie may ralphie may had the same He's not he's another good fat comedian also john pennett. So good. Oh god john John pennett is so funny. He goes salad. I don't want to say salad isn't food salad goes with the food I I get comments like that all the time like I know I'm a big dude I'm working on it. All right. I have shitty knees. I can't go out running I have a cane to prove it I like like I had like my my great aunt She had a glandular problem And so she like couldn't lose weight past a certain point like so she was always bigger And like she one day we were out and someone was like, I mean I don't want to be rude or anything but Just in case like, you know, like we offer a diet program here and she goes Man, trust me. I I know i'm overweight. You can say it. It's fine. She goes the diet won't help me, but thank you though I'm in shape round is a shape You Yes, josh, I know that wasn't you pinging on discord. That was someone else. It's now become a thing I'm being trolled on discord because everybody knows That I'm being that That if they ping me on discord, I I've never been this popular on discord in my entire life Now everybody knows that if they ping me my discord freezes and I can't do anything about it for like 10 minutes That's ridiculous it Just to go back to the actual main topic of today just Discord sucks man discord is so terrible And the thing is is like usually if you use the flat pack version of discord You can at least bypass some of the bugginess of the Version that's comes with an arch ripos usually this time Didn't happen like i'm using the flat pack version. It still has this stupid bug that's been around for Six months. It's fucking stupid. I don't know All right, so I love I love bins bins response. Don't bother josh. I'm gonna be there helping you I got this reason why I want both of them to be there because maybe if they fight enough I won't have to install gentian. They'll just be fighting between themselves the whole time And I won't I'll just sit there. You know, I'll be like, yeah, I'm eating popcorn, you know And Josh just fight over How they're gonna ssh into your machine and install it for you. You're like, you're like, this is sweet, man I don't have to oh, I should definitely do that have This off to the side hire somebody to do it for me And then just record that as if I I could just make typing sounds just untyped I'm plugging my keyboard make typing sounds the whole time and somebody's actually doing it for me I You know, then would do that for you like a bin or josh or one of those One of those guys they'd fight over the right to do it for you I'll do it for free like they talk themselves down all the way from like 200 bucks all the way down to free I'm sure robert who paid all that money is really excited about me yet. We're having somebody else do it for me You just see they're making keyboard noises I'm just imagining like as things are being typed on the screen. There's like like Shitty like a lined up key sounds like there's like four like letters have been pressed that you just hear like you like slam Four fingers on the keyboard. It's like every single Uh, like advertisement that has somebody typing in it. You can see them typing, but it's that obviously fake typing because nobody types like that Yeah It's even work like that whole situation is even worse not in advertisements But like on tv shows where they're supposed to have done research on how to do things But you see like on ncas zoom in to the piccola pixelated thing and they have to type 5000 words in actually order to it and then you can obviously tell the person's usually a hunter and pecker, right? But he's trying not to be And it's quite obvious that Anytime people talk about like Peckers when it comes to keyboards like I like that's the shit that gets me because like It's painful for me because that was like I had to deal with that teaching my grandfather a lot about computers And it's just it's painful like to see if someone would be like, okay They've got a sin like you know, they've got a like eight eight words that they want to type out the sins And you just see them like pressing one key and then looking around and then going When they're just getting started you can't help it I mean, oh, I know but it's still like no matter what like when you know how to type It's painful because you're like, oh like you want to do it for them But then you're like you've got it like they have to learn like, you know You have to get used to where keys are and it's a whole process But it's just it's painful because you're like, okay, I could do this like seven times faster. Okay Yeah, let's see the thing is my mom is 80 years old She can I mean she's not a very fast type of she's never going to be but she's not hunter hunter and pecker anymore She can use multiple fingers So my grandfather can now like text really fast on the phone He still sends me like four lettered like text back, you know I send him a nice thing about how I you know Like I'm gonna come over help out do something like whatever and I'll get a I'm gonna response It's either two to four like letters. Okay, or like cool. Okay. So My mother can't type on a phone at all like she she hates it. She can't stand it So she uses the speech to text thing on her android phone Oh man, some of the she did I sometimes So she doesn't really understand that in traditional sms. There's like a text. There's a character limit, right? There's like 140 characters something like that So when she text is back and forth between her sisters, she'll sit there and talk to the phone for like 10 minutes Just to say it comes through and you know when that happens, right when you have sent a text that is too long It splits them into pieces But a lot of times because of the way the technology works they come in out of order So I just I pity her poor sister who has to try to put that stuff together And obviously there's the whole speech to text problem where it's definitely some of the things that come out of it Just that's definitely not what she said Horrifies the hell out of me at that point. I'm like just call her Call her and talk like I hate when I get those like super long messages. I'm like, you know, like she resisted doing text messages for a long time Because it used to be I mean at this point you're probably too young for actually knowing this But it used to be you had to pay for like you get when you got your phone plan You got like 500 text messages, right? That's all you get or you'd had to pay for them per text message Um, and especially that's especially true with the pay the like the prepaid plans that we pretty much always had Um, so she she resisted a long time and then when we finally got into a plan that had unlimited We finally talked her into doing text messages and she's liked it ever since but she still refuses to Type on the thing she talks to it. I find it hilarious, but um Luckily The text to speech stuff has gotten way better like it's gotten Way better in like the last year and a half or so, but when she's first started doing God, it was so bad like and and here's the thing is like For for for you and me. There's not really a big difference between google and apple. We consider them both not very good companies But when you're actually using their products, you can really tell the difference between google and apple speech to text Google is just like 300 million times better than apple ever is if you use an iphone and try to do the speech to text stuff It is so bad. It's like comedic bad Yeah, like it's well, I mean it's It it mainly has to do with like surrey like i mean if you if you think about a series just kind of Never been Like google's assistant was out of the gate better than siri by a large margin which is stupid because siri came first right like exactly you like they should have been like Google assistant was yet another thing that google ripped off from something else, right Yeah, let's see. I think I think that's why google has the reputation they do because like they'll just like They'll take ideas that they're like In other places in the marketplace and they'll try doing them Themselves and if it works out because they didn't have to put in nearly as much effort because they're pretty much starting with a with an idea already or a foundation that's easily built up because Look at what a competitor is doing and try and do the same thing copycat it um So like if that works out for them, awesome They keep it and then when they try and do their own stuff like they kill almost immediately Yeah, exactly like if it doesn't become instantly huge they're like no, we spent too much Accent get rid of it Like stadia like stadia was like a good idea right and it's already dying It's like a year and a half old And they're already thinking about killing it off or rebranding it or redoing it or something like that it's like like Well, I mean if they had made it a better value like see the thing with these streaming services Like I don't think like they get is like if you can if you can compete and provide an even more solid version of gforce now Where I can take my steam games or take game libraries from steam epic all these place and just You have the machine to run the game stream it to me Like that's incredible because like I'm I am all for that because that means open bsd on any machine I want to run on would be great because I could play any game on there It'd be great. I'm down for it. The problem is is gforce now is still not even a completely stable experience even with good internet like all the time and Like it's pretty much it feels like beta software. It's like what it feels like And there's no other competitor that's doing better in gforce now as long as you're willing to wait It's free so Well, that's the thing about that stuff is that we always I mean everybody always knew that that's that Whole idea was going to be janky from the beginning. It was always going to be one of those things where the technology Wasn't quite there yet. No matter what service you chose like it's just not there especially because it relied on internet speed like The vast majority of people are still using Internet that gets 30 megabits or less in the united states like and that's really slow I mean for the longest time that was me like even like a year and a half ago We still had speeds around 30 megabits down and we were lucky to get five up That's just the way the the way it is it's gotten way better now But it's still something that most people have to deal with is that it's not dial-up slow, of course But still it's not like if you go to japan, you're getting five gigs You know, I mean we're just now seeing advertisements from AT&T that says they'll offer you five gigs in certain places Total mess. I mean, I mean, that's a unicorn if you've ever seen one And also probably cost three thousand dollars. Yeah I'll pass but but the the point is that for those services that we rely on having a not only not only a fast Broadband thing but also a like a stable one It's like you can't have a Internet connection that goes like a wave, you know, it has it has to be your pain can be terribly They're like that server needs to be pretty close to you too. Yeah so That's that was always going to those services were always going to be Very iffy until the technology and the infrastructure caught up That's the reason why microsoft has been so slow in rolling theirs out You know and like that that's a even further point to like bring it back to google stadia That like from the get-go. This should have been a long-term project Like yeah, like now you're kind of just laying the foundation for when the infrastructure and technology is where it needs to be the thing is is that google has Obviously a very good track record of setting up servers like setting up server farms and stuff like that So they had that ability to make that infrastructure good So they could have solved the whole latency issue by just creating a whole bunch of server farms all over the place Obviously an expensive proposition, but if you're going to invest in something you might as well invest if you go half-ass You're just you're going to cancel it no matter what The thing is they also had a company called google firebird that they were going to revolutionize internet Across america and they ended up only doing like six cities across the board They stopped like it was Nobody knows why they stopped like they couldn't compete or they couldn't get Local governments to actually let them come in or something. I don't know Uh, but that could have been the the other half of the solution is because you could have brought that kind of stuff to places that like If we live in the middle of farms here, right? Like if if I walk half a mile that way, there's cows across the street. There's ponies There's there's horses, right? I can look out the window. Yeah, I see a horse Okay, that's that's that's the area that I'm in we just now got the ability to get one gig internet here like within the last few months Um, it's not even really all that expensive I probably might eventually you know sign up for it But the point is is that a lot of places aren't that and google could have Google could have solved that problem instead. They decided to create internet and balloons No, that's Elon musk. I don't like Elon musk all that much. I think he's a Weird person, but I mean all geniuses are eccentric, right? So we'll just give him a pass Uh, but he's put like 5 000 satellites up in space to decide that's how he's going to change internet, you know infrastructure I don't know if that's going to work or not But you know, it's better than giving up and that's what google seems to be good at Is like if if it doesn't succeed in the first six months We're going to cancel it And like you said, that was a long-term thing, right? It was it had to be a long-term thing It has to be long-term like if you if you have half a brain yet as at an executive level Like, you know, this is not an investment in the short term like I mean like it's the same problem with all these absolutely Dim-witted projects that you see the metaverse projects that you see now like By the way, if you're invested in any metaverse, like I know you're not obviously mad But anyone in the chat or anybody who's watching if you're invested in a metaverse project like earth 2 or Any of those things like look, they're all scams. They're all stupid The technology is not there and it won't be there And went also by the way the companies that will get it there are companies like epic and stuff So all that you're purchasing into will be obsolete by the time the technology does get there and they won't be able to compete because they are obsolete already So anyway, like all of that to say like there's a whole bunch like it's the same sort of mindset as that like you When it comes to stadium everything you're investing in getting a brand and a like the Infrastructure started and the goal is to continue spending and essentially losing money until the infrastructure has hit the point where It's possible and it's extremely good. And then you hopefully can turn up the monetization A ton and boost it like you boost your user base get people interested and wanting to use it because hey, guess what? Now you can actually play games with no input lag no problems It's reliable across most of developed countries. Like yeah, that would be the goal But it's not happening and it's like I don't understand but the the the games industry is a Like a 50 billion dollar a year Maybe even more or whatever it's a it's a very large industry and google could have tapped into that by selling games because that's what they were basically going to do and people for whatever reason decided that paying 60 dollars for game is fine And they've made that decision and you could do that like that's how you make your money back Right, but it's not going to Cause you to get your money back right away. It has to be long term We have meandered through this entire This is what happens when you don't have a plan. We did this. This was our last room We did a our last episode at the end of the year last year We had no plan. We did the exact same thing. We've meandered through a whole bunch of topics. It was very fun Um, wait a minute. Did did I see in the chat that that scott is going to install lfs now? Did I see this? Is he going to stream that? apparently Our center is going to do lfs Oh, wow, okay. Good job, man It's good. Good. That should be fun um Oh and to answer alex. Yes, I have a quest too. The tech is good, but no, it's not Can't Still metaverses is not really a If you believe metaverses are a thing guess what wow is a fucking metaverse like Just because I slapped my like guess what vr chat it's a metaverse. It's actually got thousands of metaverse So the the metaverse is a response by facebook for two of two things one people are leaving face Well, three things one face people are leaving facebook and groves like nobody's using facebook anymore because It's horrible. Um Two the world fucking sucks like the world is ending like we got world war three and there's a fucking plague and Inflation's like five thousand percent So of course people want to escape their everyday reality because reality fucking sucks and and the and the third thing which i've obviously forgotten what the third thing was but The the point is that they All the the third thing was a result of the second one is that more and more people are working from home And therefore are spending more and more time in meetings and and they want to change the way meetings are to make them more Quote and quote realistic how being a cartoonized Cartoonized version of yourself is more realistic than just watching a webcam. I don't know I I have a vr headset. Look if my boss told me that we needed to start using that to like have meetings I'd be down with it like it's It's kind it would kind of I mean it's you'd be down with it for the first time No, I mean like to be honest like it'd be fine because I mean it's kind of like sitting in a boardroom talking Like it'd be fine. Okay. So and also it's that that would mean that your boss knows for sure that you're actually There because he can tell Tell me this is I've never worn a vr headset So I might be completely off base on this but true or false vr headsets can get warm like they Cause your head to sweat just a little bit Just a little bit. Yeah So you want to sit in a three hour meeting every single day in the middle of Tennessee where it gets fairly warm in the summer You know in meetings My fans on right now. I've watched I've watched Uh, three hour movie or I mean not quite three hour movies, but close to it. I can't see myself being interested Interested in doing that, but I mean like look here's the thing I said I'd be down with it, but the thing is is it doesn't get Like it it doesn't It's not necessary And you also like the whole idea of like the metaverse and that whole bullshit marketing scheme and everything is look We're going to recreate the matrix. That's not going to happen unless your idea of the matrix is vr chat Which you can go and look up on youtube because it already exists If that's your idea of the matrix cool, it already exists. Um, none of these metaverse projects are going to do it and also Who wants to live inside of a vr headset? Like I don't want to live inside of a vr headset The version 2.0 that comes out three years from now I'm still like I don't care if they make it like water cooled and like they also like make it deliver Coca-Cola and like cocaine straight to my nose. I'm still not interested like I don't want to live in it. I I I don't want to and so the whole Marketing scheme of this metaverse that hey, we're going to make this world that you're going to live in and it's awesome And it's definitely worth investing in like No, it's not and even if the metaverse isn't vr. It's just a regular game That's even dumber because world of warcraft is a metaverse then and you can get invested in world of warcraft Don't thousands of dollars in there. You'll never see a return just like you'll never see a return in the metaverse The biggest problem with the metaverse is that they're trying to treat it as a replacement for reality If they if this was just a game if it was just say hey, you want to let's play your favorite games and you can like do Dungeons and dragons or any other kind of like role-play game. That'd be kind of cool That's the problem. You can't do that like again The whole idea of the metaverse is it's an idea propagated by retards who don't understand copyright Because the whole idea that you're going to take all of these different ip's from different things and shove them in there And it's going to be fine like no Um, that's not how the world works Uh, if you take nintendo characters and put them into your little metaverse If you don't think nintendo is going to come over with a big ol schlong and ruin your day You don't know nintendo at all bend over mark. I got this Ah You can't you can't that all idea is Dumb and it's not going to happen unless we completely take away copyright and copyright laws, which I mean obviously the whole thing is going to have to deal around a whole bunch of licensing stuff, but More likely instead of having one gigantic metaverse, which is controlled by you know meta aka facebook instead you're going to have you know small like Nintendo is going to have their metaverse and it's just going to be nintendo characters. You're going to have a Here's your problem with saying meta versus and shit. It's games Like it's a game at the end of the day. It's a game I don't care if the digital assets are tied to some blockchain at the end of the day It's still dlc or something for your game. Don't like don't that's it. Don't bring in blockchain to it. It makes it worse Like I know I know they're going to but yeah, but don't don't do that. It'll make it worse But that's exactly what it should be is is games Like it's when you try to make it say hey, this is going to be a replacement for your reality You can't if you eat something inside of the metaverse. It doesn't actually provide you any sustenance You can't piss inside of a metaverse. You're just gonna end up paying your pants You know so Yeah, it's just I don't I don't understand Why you'd want right like I can understand wanting to escape reality through a game Like putting on your quest and playing that sword game that bless the whatever see that's that's playing a game though It's just That's the reason why you do it that that's escaping reality and that is something that is age old It's some of the reason why we've always played video games is to It's why you read fantasy novels and uh graphic novels and fanfiction whatever. It's why you do those things That's perfectly fine. We've always done it. It's when you transition from making Taking the reason why we do those things into trying to transition to making it why we do meetings and why we do interact with other people and trying to make Gamify the the reality of stuff, right? Well, I think the thing about metaverses is the idea that like it's an investment Like that's typically the problem that I see in it is like you're going to live in this place This place is where you're going to do stuff and this is where like we're going to try and like Monetize everything you own Las Vegas Yeah, exactly. Like we're going to monetize everything but Instead of it just being you buying this dlc like a really nice apartment in downtown Like we're going to make it like an actual digital asset that you can sell between other play like it's it's this whole stupid idea of trying to monetize everything and make it a investment with Which is not really a thing like I'm sorry But like I know that you might be able to sell your steam library to another dipwad out there for for some cheaper amount, but Most likely most people are going to just purchase their own steam games build up their steam library from scratch because Hey, it's actually smarter that way because you end up with only games that you want NFTs makes sense with digital art like people who are actual Just listen to me actual artists like monay or you know Whatever like people who are actually like painting stuff And then you use the nft to actually buy the physical object And the nft is only like your receipt like it's it's all that is like you're actually buying the thing The way nfts are right now is you're not actually buying the thing you're don't get the copy right you get none of that stuff You're just buying the receipt. Let's see. That's the problem Like the nft in that transaction doesn't even like that doesn't even need to happen Like the nft has nothing to do with your receipt there because you could have just bought the art with cryptocurrency And there you go. You have your receipt that transaction is the receipt The problem with an nft is its art or something Tied to like to a transaction through a link So you've purchased the right to a link to something that's hosted somewhere else that Someone else can take away or stop posting it It still owns like you don't own the copy right You didn't buy the copyright. You didn't even buy the actual image Like yeah, you can download it from the site, but you only bought the link that leads We're on the same page with this but let me You understand this and I understand this and I think the vast majority of people in the chat and who are listening to this understand this But there are people out there. Maybe they'll stumble upon this podcast someday. They don't understand this Let me just drop some knowledge on y'all If you have somehow stumbled into cryptocurrency and have made yourself a mint like you've you invested in ethereum Really early and now you have a million dollars in ethereum Do not under any circumstances waste your million dollars that you've made in ethereum, which is monopoly money anyways Do not waste that money on a gorilla like a picture of a pixelated gorilla. Don't do that Instead figure out how you can safely get that million dollars Into real spendable money that you can then buy a gallon of gas with Yes, um, you know By those resources like investing in stocks and gas companies stuff like that turning into Well, what most people would call safe investments In real money like people are gonna there's gonna be someone out there that listens all the way to the end of the podcast and sees Us talking about cryptocurrency and like go cryptocurrency is real money No, it's not it's fake money. You you can't show me cryptocurrency. Therefore. It's not real money um and well Until you get to the point where you can take a bitcoin and buy a big mac with it, you know You know, we which again, I still think some people think we're living in a world where you can do that really easy Um, there are websites where you can use cryptocurrency to buy stuff. That is a hundred percent true But what's What you get we're in the meta we're in the metaverse again where the On the internet, you're just that's just two, you know, uh digital transactions When it's if you can't take your money out into the real world go to kroger or You know rouse or whatever and buy your groceries with it Then it's not real money yet. Maybe eventually someday bitcoin will be that thing, but it's not there yet and And it probably won't be because it's being bow guarded by scam artists and uh, you know, money launderers, you know That's why every time we talk about cryptocurrency I always say the initial idea behind an a decentralized monetary system is a good one, right? It's a good idea not to have government, you know In control of the money supply the fantastic idea the problem is In any situation where there's no regulation at all You're you're living in an you're you're living in an anarchist, you know Situation people are going to take advantage of the fact that there are no freaking rules because even even good people in a situation where There are no rules turn into opportunists If you don't believe me read Read lord of the flies it happened. Okay, like it's a whole novel it was written in like I don't know it was written a long time ago. It's human fucking nature. No rules equals anarchy That's the way it is and and unfortunately because of the the because of that situation that cryptocurrency has found itself in It has gained a reputation of being for scams And I don't see and I don't know if you agree with this or not But I don't see a situation where it can come back from that reputation I don't think it can fix itself like at this point Everybody every normal person who who's not invested in the crypto sphere fear and it's not a technological person It doesn't know how the blockchain works They hear blockchain or and cryptocurrency on, you know, lester holster nightly news and they think it's a scam And I don't see how you Take that reputation and fix it I just don't well, I mean with cryptocurrency. There's just there's so many scams in it But that doesn't mean all the technology there or all the cryptocurrencies are scams. You and I know this but exactly That's what I'm saying. Like that's what makes it so confusing for other people. It's like When there's you like in unregulated markets, it's it's it's very hard for people to understand like hey It's unregulated. So of course there can be thousands of scams going on at the same time It doesn't mean that they all are um But I don't know like when it comes to cryptocurrency I I think it's really just one of those things where look Do your research and you'll probably be good as long as you know, you're the person who actually does research You don't just check the like the company or projects twitter and you see all of their like propaganda shit You're like, oh, yeah, this is great. This is awesome. They're not just like two days old They must be real like as long as you're not that daft like you're you'll be fine Yeah, I'm going to disagree with you from maybe from some people who are who have If you're if you're that guy and you want to invest in Cryptocurrency and you are smart about it. Just like you just said Yeah, do so with only money you're willing to lose. That's the way it should be with any Well, I mean, that's how you should be doing with any investment I understand but you're much more likely to lose money in cryptocurrency than you probably are in like a I A stock or bond right if you put in your if you invest in just like the s and p 500 That thing is gained like 13% over the last 30 years. It's just it's like night and day Yes, it goes. I'm down but as an average it goes up, right? A lot of that stuff Especially like the retirement fund stuff is actually meant to Never actually lose a lot of money because it's meant to be over time. It's supposed to be very stable, right? It it the problem a lot of times with cryptocurrency is that it draws in desperate people people who are trying they see Everyone on dr. Phil that when he talks about cryptocurrency or you know on the news or whatever Hey, I made a million dollars in like 30 seconds. They see this like you know, I can do that I I really need money. I need to pay rent this month. Oh and see that's so bad I feel so bad for those people and it happens all the time And that's the reason why these rug pull things for like the nfts and stuff like Logan paul and and and and all that something when they they do these scams You know, there's no regulation to stop them obviously, but also it pulls in their fans who Some of them are just you know, whatever they're they're fanboys and they want to give money As long as you have the money to give and you want to do it Do what you want, but it's the desperate people the people that you're actually hurting Uh, that is giving cryptocurrency and stuff the bad name because you hear all these stories Like I lost everything like I invested everything in this and I've lost it all No, and I mean like the sad thing is is those influencers are the like they're set up in the perfect position They're the only ones that can pull off these scams because these scams cost a lot of money to get set up But your your return on investment is Massive and all you have to do is just walk away with it Like that's it and there's no regulating body that's going to come after you other than the sec and as far as we know They haven't done shit. So most of these influencers you're getting away with it regulation always It always is behind the pace of technological innovation, right? That's just always that is also got to remember that the average age of people in the fdc in the in the in the Senate's probably over 50 You know, yeah Try explaining a explaining a non fungible token to someone who's in their 60s. You'll have a great time go on youtube Google a blockchain in congress. There's actually a guy who tried to explain blockchain to a senator It was utter gold. It was so good. It was like trying to explain how Uh, like nuclear fission works to a to a baby You know, it was absolutely gold. It was very fun And you could just see the look on that senator's face at the end that he did not understand a single word that that guy had said I don't even think he understood the guy's name Like I think he lost him after the the introduction. It was so So good and I mean like you can't play I mean We get an email every time we make a generalization about old people And I'm not gonna make that general generalization because obviously there's a lot of people, you know, older people understand this stuff But oh, yeah, let's make a generalization of the people who are in congress. They're all idiots They're all freaking morons. You can't explain technology to them at all because they want They're they're trying to create laws that are very general in Scope, you know, and they don't understand the stuff so they create bad laws. It's It's Not a great situation. Okay. We really have to stop this. 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