 I mean, when you looked at this roster, what it was when you signed, was that part of it, or was this purely like, this is a chance to start, maybe my last chance to start? Yeah, for sure. I mean, there's a little bit of that, no doubt. You know, throughout the process, that was kind of my main goal was to find an opportunity to play. You know, this presented itself, and with the staff, with the relationships that I've had with these guys before, it made it pretty much an easy transition and an easy decision. So, it's been awesome. It's been great. It's a fun group to be around. I really believe in what art is building here, and it's just fun for me to come into work and be around a lot of good people. I remember I asked you back when you... Yeah, well, I think from the standpoint of over the course of the last couple of years, we've both learned a lot. We've experienced a lot. We've gone through different scenarios, different situations. So, in that perspective, to be able to have those things, those experiences, and now to bring them out here on the field, you know, I think we both understand that at the end of the day, we just want to play our best football. And I think art is doing a great job of allowing me to feel comfortable in this game, to feel like I can go out there and play free. So, I'm excited for this chance and this opportunity, and I'm looking forward just to kind of continue to grow with these guys. I always kind of pride myself with trying to learn something new every day. And I think that's what's really cool about art and its staff is they try to stimulate your mind constantly. So, there's always brand new ideas. There's always kind of something that we always talk about. So, for me, I enjoy that part of it. But in terms of the scheme, you know, there's here and there's things here and there that are the same. There's things here and there that are different. So, for me, I just try to focus on learning everything all over again and learning maybe some of the new stuff they got. How do you stimulate your mind today? How do they stimulate your mind today? They said they're doing it that way. Well, you know, from a standpoint of we talked a little bit about red zone situations, you know, what coverage is, what we're going to see today against Coach P's and our defense. Some answers versus certain looks, what we can get in and out of certain situations like that, which is cool. Because what's amazing about this game is these situations carry over to a third down. They carry over to two minutes. So, to be able to talk through those scenarios, I think is, for me, exciting because you constantly, there's always something different that can happen. So, to be able to learn those things, learn from other teams, learn from what we do out in the field, I think is what's most important. What's it like having Felipe Franks kind of split times between the tight end room and the quarterback? I mean, he might be working with you, getting reps, and then you might be throwing the ball to him. What's just been like seeing that transition for him? Well, first of all, it's fun. You know, he's still with us here and there in meetings. He's still with us in the weight room. You know, and then out here on the field, it's kind of cool to go up to him and be like, hey, where could I put that ball? You know, was it where he needed to be? Could I be a little more accurate? So, to be able to talk with him and to kind of get it from a different perspective, I think is really cool for me. May I ask you a silly question about July 4th? We're doing trivia really quickly. Okay. And of the 45 presidents, how many were born on July 4th? Five. That's a lot. One. All right. Thank you. No problem. Okay, cool. I know you were talking about two earlier, but what's been great? Well, it's been great. And I mean, we get to do routes on air, full speed. You know, we're always constantly in communication, which is cool. I think, again, it's a younger room, but there's also some guys that are older vets that I've played that can share on their experiences. So being able to help those guys kind of get on the same page, I think, has been good for us. And I think we've all been good. We've all been communicating well, and it's worked out good. When this team at the moment is so past catcher heavy, is it nice to have a lot of versatility? Yeah, absolutely. And it's cool because at the same time, you're working with different guys every single day. You know, I obviously don't really have control of the roster, but to be able to have that, it is a little different, but it's cool because we get a lot more reps and volume. What do you feel like is a successful OTA for yourself? Well, I think for me, from a standpoint of playing free, you know, we talk about it constantly in the quarterback room. You know, sometimes we can get really robotic, especially me. You know, you get, hey, here's your progression, one, two, three, four. But the game doesn't always work that way. So working with Coach Rags, you know, working with Coach London, just being able to come to the field, come to 7-on-7, the jog-throughs, just play free, play what you see and trust your eyes. How difficult is it to build a relationship with all the receivers when there is a decent number of them? I don't think it's necessarily a hard thing. I think for us, you know, for me it is nice because we are getting a lot of volume. So we're getting a lot of reps, we're throwing a bunch of balls. So from that standpoint, I think we feel good kind of with everybody. And we're all getting similar reps, we're all getting the same amount of looks at different things. So at the same time, you know, it is what it is. But I think we've grown and it's nice to come out here to have a bunch of guys. How much does a rookie like Desmond really give you a little bit of a mile? It is nice. It is good. It's kind of funny. Like for me, he's just a little bit younger than my younger brother. So I kind of, you know, it makes me feel old, you know, talking to him a little bit. But it's been a great room. I think Des has got a bright future in front of him. But at the same time, I think it's fun to come out here and compete. And I think we're both making each other better. What is it going to take for you to get to that point? I feel like I'm in a good spot. And I think what it comes down to is just, again, communicating with the staff on things that we like, things that I see, maybe things that I don't like. And what's nice is that I really think that our relationship is at that point. It's nice to have art, you know, somebody that I've been around. You know, it's been cool to get to know Coach Rags, get to know Coach London. And I think we're all kind of speaking and talking the same way. I heard you talking about the comparisons between Tennessee and now. And you keep saying play free. Does it make it a little bit easier now that you do have a prior relationship with guys like her? I would say so. And I think I really learned from that experience and really learned from my couple years of being a backup. You know, I think when you have to sit down and watch, it's a different perspective. So with that being said, those experiences have allowed me just to come out here and just kind of use and use those as tools. And, you know, to be around art where he's kind of had a similar situation where he's learned, he's been a head coach now for just like a year. So to be able to kind of take those experiences that we both learned has really allowed us to come out here. And I think just play better and to play quote, unquote free, you know. How come working with AJ Turrell kind of make you better for a backup? Oh, it's tough. I hate going against him every day, but no, it's been good. And I think it's really good for our receivers. You know, to get work with a guy that I think is one of the better corners in the league, you know, is great. So we look forward to the challenge every day. We know that it's going to make us all better. How much, how far along are you all with the install and how much shotgun and under-center stuff are you all going to do? You know, it's dependent on day to day, really. I think what's important through this OTA process is getting the feel for what we do well, what we don't like, what we like. So we're kind of doing everything, which is nice to get to go out here and do a bunch of stuff. And, you know, I don't think there's really something specific we're really working on. We're just trying to get a feel for what this, what the scheme can fit and where it's going to allow our guys to go out there and play well. What was it like seeing him run again? Because, I mean, he hasn't done a lot. Right. But, like, just even seeing him run and seeing him... You look good. You could tell that he's getting more confident in himself with planting on his leg. And he just looked good. Just whatever drills we do, he don't, he don't opt out on any of them. He always in in each drill and just trying to see where he can move and, you know, where he weak at. So he worked on everything that he's weak at after practice and we see that. So we know he going to be back no time soon. This is a tradition for you. Do you feel like you've become the face of this franchise? I'm really just, yeah, I'm really just focusing on me. So, you know, once I'm, as I'm focusing on me, you know, things, you know, take care of themselves. And why not, you know, look at it that way, but just holding myself accountable and keeping it that way is what I'm supposed to do. You seem like they're using you for all of the fun other things like the helmet. Yeah, that's all that stuff is sweet. Come from hard work, you know, trusting the guys, trusting me and just putting in just overtime and just having fun with it. When you were rookie, or even last year, kind of knowing that eventually you were going to be a young guy that as older guys was down like, did you think that that would be a possibility? Of course, just coming in with confidence and just doing my job. Like I said, I came in holding myself responsible. And as guys come in and go out, my role becomes bigger. So I have more experience under my belt and just feeding it to the younger guys. I see a lot, you know, he's definitely trying to, we're competing, seeing where he's weak at, where I'm weak at. And just having fun and just making the most of it, just making him better each day. He's making me better. What about Marcus and Desmond, too? What do you see from them? Look good, young, mobile, you know, just loving, you know, the way they operate with the ball and just making good decisions. Hey, Jay, does it come easy to you to be a leader? It does. When you're doing everything the right way, just getting guys' respect, you know, just moving accordingly. And how do you do a leadership? Definitely showing, becoming more vocal, you know, the confidence is always going up. So becoming more vocal, of course, but leading by example is the main thing. One of the things that coach the leader, and he's giving you that point of emphasis this week, right? On Wednesday, you let a meeting about what I understand? Yeah, you know, just, you know, telling the guys where we at and just making sure everybody's on the same page and where we at right now, just, I mean, OTA's and how we could build on that going into camp. When he tells you that he wants you to be a more vocal leader, does it make you uncomfortable? Are you excited about the challenge? Oh, no, I'm definitely excited, you know, don't make me uncomfortable at all. Just having fun with everybody and just coming in to work with a positive head space and just have fun. You didn't have a taller receiver, really, at least in practice for the day-to-day basis. Does that give you a different type of look? Is that maybe advantage to you for when you face Mike Evans or Michael Thomas? Like, are there benefits that could be there? You know, any receiver I go against is, they all are different, whether they be tall or small, medium-sized. You know, they all got different traits, different things that they bring to the table. So, you know, I just respect the guys out here, respect my opponents and just make plays. So, how's it been out there before you joined OTA? It's been great. It's been a lot of fun, a lot of competing, a lot of competition everywhere. So, I mean, I'm having a blast. I'm having a real good time. I'm having a lot of fun out there. Where do you want to take your game this season? Man, to the next level, to new heights. I got a lot of, you know, goals for myself, a lot of goals for the team. You know, I'm really, you know, kind of got a real big chip on my shoulder. And that's our team. That's our entire team. You know, we say it all the time. You know, we don't walk into the years as front runners, you know, but, you know, everybody looking to prove, you know, to prove a point this year. So, you know, I'm definitely excited for it. What have you seen from Des and Marcus? Oh, man, they're great. Marcus and Des, you know, they compliment each other well. You know, very similar in their games. And really just seeing the competition and people kind of just like the brotherhood in it, like the, you know, them two working together. You know, Marcus being the veteran and helping Des and, you know, helping him come along. And, you know, seeing a lot of improvement from Des, you know, making a mistake and being able to bounce back and correct it. You know, that's all it's about, especially at this time is like, you're going to make a mistake, but don't try not to make the same mistake twice. And that's what I'm seeing from those guys. So you had a chip on your shoulder. What does that come from? Man, it just comes from me personally just tapping into a whole other side of myself. You know, just wanting to be the player that I know I am, how to impact that I know I can. And that's really what it is. You know, and it's really just, I don't really care about doubters. I really want to prove to people that believe in me right. You know, I'm not looking to prove nobody wrong. You know, I'm looking to prove to people that believe in me right. It's a lot of versatility. You know, you got, you know, whether you want to call it bigger guys, smaller guys, you know, you got, you know, we got backs as 220, 225. And then we got smaller backs like, you know, Avery and at and Jay Mac and, you know, and all those guys like that. Obviously we still got CP. So we got a lot of versatility and really being able to be positionless. You know, we can put us in different positions, different personnels. And we really don't have just one thing, you know, it's not like when this guy's in the game, they're doing this, when this guy's in doing this. So a lot of versatility in the room. What do you feel like could be maybe a strength this year? Absolutely. And just, just being able to go out there and make plays. When we were talking to coach Rick today, I was asking about who's kind of impressed the most in the OTA's and your name came up and he called you a hybrid player. What has it been like for you kind of getting into? I know you've had some reps at tight end, but what has it been like for you this OTA? It's been fun. I was just telling them that it's really just been a learning process for me. Just, you know, I felt like I had a good grasp of the offense, but really just learning every aspect of it, whether it be the run game, you know, even going out there and like learning route stems and stuff, you know, it's different when you're at quarterback and throwing the route as opposed to when you're out there actually running it. So it's a, it's really a learning process and really just kind of having a foundation, going into camp. Coach Peel has done a great job really helping me with the transition. So it's been really fun. Do you think you could also make you a better quarterback too because now you're knowing more of the other roles? Absolutely. Yeah, I think that, I mean, no question. I mean, really just like I was saying earlier in the run game, I've learned so much about just like the run game in general, playing tight end, things that I didn't know, calls that the, you know, the guys at front are making. So, you know, it's more than just handing the ball off, really like understanding the schematics of things. It's helped me a lot. Is that something though that you maybe can see yourself doing more of is being a tight end or do you still see yourself as a quarterback? I see myself as whatever they ask me to do, and I'll do it and I'll do it to confess my ability to be honest. What's the quarterback group like right now? It's fun. I mean, like I said, you got Dez and you got Marcus, both really, really great people. I'm super welcoming and, you know, even when Marcus first got here, both really cool, both really good people, really good quarterbacks, obviously where they wouldn't be here. So it's fun really getting to work with like those guys, the tight ends, really a combination of everybody. It's a group effort. So good camaraderie. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's just there's so much communication like with the tight ends every position group that, you know, you don't really ever miss a beat. Like everybody's always on the same page. So I think that's a great job. Like there's really a testament to like the quarterback room and really building that foundation for every position group. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Kyle's always been really good friends, you know, even from when we were in college. So it's really, you know, comfortable for me to go up there and you obviously just ask him because he's been doing it a high level for, you know, a while now. So to go have somebody like that to just kind of talk to and ask, you know, pull aside and kind of see how he works his hands, his feet, you know, because he does a really good job of it. So yeah, of course, I want to learn from somebody like that top of their profession.