 We have space for questions now and I have, we have our mic guy here, so it works. You know this by now, but wave your hand and you say your name and where you're from and what's your question? We have one here and then Teresa. Yeah, hi, my name is Andrea. I have a question for Åsa. What are the calculations? How much is it going to cost to do this and who, how is it being paid for? Well, no one knows, of course, but it is, the mine has to pay for this. So that's where the money is going to come from, but there's a huge job being done right now, trying to just kind of find the forms of doing this. Because like all the real estate, I mean everything is worth nothing in Kiruna. There's nothing you can, you can't really go on any market price or anything, so it's, it's a big job just kind of finding the models for calculating that. So there's no one else yet. And Matt, has those questions been asked in the space age time? Who's going to pay for this? Oh, of course. And that was what the main opposition was. It was, why are we spending money up in space when we have so many problems at home? Now, if you go talk to guys at JPL or NASA, they will argue, well, it's not like we're literally shooting money into space, that money is being spent here on earth, providing jobs and such, but it's still a valid point. It's all about allocation of resources. Where do we value as a society putting that money? And it has a lot to do with dual use as well, things that we have gotten through government spending in general, that a lot of people aren't necessarily familiar with. The internet itself was a government program, and they got a lot of military use out of it, the ARPANET in the 1970s and the MILNET in the 1980s. But when you look at sort of programs today that aren't necessarily getting dual use, things like Total Information Awareness or the drone program that aren't being translated into consumer goods, they are simply just for military applications. You see a lot of resistance, and why are we spending that money there? And that's part of the debate. That's part of what we need to discuss as a society. Thank you. We had Theresa there. Theresa Belton. One thing we can be sure of for the future is that major climate change is coming, and I'm interested in both of your perspectives, how they can help us to deal with that. Well, this is a kind of climate change, I guess. And it comes back to the question of flexibility, of course, and being able to kind of not having a too fixed plan of the future, but actually having a kind of a vision of where you want to go, but being able to kind of adjust as you go along. That's the only thing, and not being too rigid in your planning, but actually having that freedom to kind of swing it a bit. Do you want to add to that? Sure. I mean, when I try and think about sort of lessons from the past to learn about our climate change future, it's difficult. I think that when you're trying to drive action, shame and humiliation is often some of the best tools we have to influence change. Take, for example, jaywalking. It's a familiar concept of the United States that didn't exist until the 1920s. Kids used to play in the street. People would cross the street wherever they liked. And despite all the laws that were being passed, because of this new menace, known as the automobile, people were getting hit because they weren't used to the speed. So what they did is, of course, they passed all kinds of laws, but they were totally ineffectual. What they did was shamed people. Cops, instead of handing out a ticket, would just blow their whistle and draw as much attention as possible to one person. And it was actively in the 1920s and 30s taught in school that this is not a place for you anymore. This is a place for cars. And I think that that sort of indoctrination, for lack of a better word, in order to influence change, if you have certain things that you believe can influence the world for the better, whether it's conservation or whatever sort of your action plan is, don't dismiss shame. Don't dismiss sort of influencing society in such a way that that is a shameful action, that your wastefulness or whatever you're doing to harm society, that is something that you should be shameful for. And another thing is also that you kind of can't wait. That's also the thing. You need to, if we want these big things or to handle these big changes, we need to start now. Because if we do it, then it will be too late. Everyone knows this, but again, I mean, you need to start now to be able to do the big things. Thank you. And Angela. Yeah, the mic there. I am Inge La Sjölund from Plan B Consulting here in Malmö. I have been in Kiruna and following this project. And in Marseille, the culture capital of Europe this year. And Marseille, their development started from the second world war when the whole town was broken down. And I was told by my parents, don't go to Marseille, you'll be raped and raped and all that. And you have a very burning platform in Kiruna. The town is just falling down. And Marseille had too. Do you have any reflections about how can we learn from Marseille, from Dublin, from Liverpool, and your very burning platform? Was the social breakdown in one of the cases? And here is a physical breakdown. So have you learned from the past into making this leap? I don't know. This is maybe a bit pessimistic, but in a way, it doesn't, it's not enough that it kind of is that there is a crisis. You still need to do the work. I mean, that's one of the big, big, big things about Kiruna now. If they don't take action and do this, and really commit and do this, start now and do all these different things that they need to do, it's not going to work. It's going to disappear. So just that they have to, it's not enough. It still needs to do all the work and it still kind of needs this big commitment. And I think that's kind of, kind of in also to what you were talking about earlier, about it's not easy. And it's not, of course, we can learn that to kind of see how they did it because they had to, but it's still, I'm not sure if they're going to do it. I'm still kind of questioning if they're going to make it. So I think, and then luck comes into it as well. I think like in some cases, like Malmö, I think sometimes got lucky. So there are different things that we can't really control. But we have to really, if we want to make a change, we really, really need to commit. That's the kind of the thing. We really need to do it. We really dare to dream a long dream. That I think is important. You're linking into what Malik talked about yesterday, that there's no such thing as luck. It's a lot of hard work and it can show up as luck. But what's stopping the commitment then? Why don't we want to envision and just do it? Well, it's the same reason why the people of Kirin have lost trust in the politicians. You don't dare take the decisions. You're kind of pushing it to someone else to take the big decisions and you don't feel empowered to do it. So it's an unclear system of who is in charge of things. And it's a, yeah. So that's kind of the reason there is no one who feels like I have to do it. There's just people kind of backing away from it. And I would just disagree that there's no such thing as luck. I am a firm believer in luck. We don't live in a meritocracy. Not every great idea wins firm believer in luck. And I am an example of that. That I have worked very hard. I am tremendously lucky that I get to do what I've always wanted to do, which is right for living and research. And I have my dream job. But there are a lot of other people in the world that have tried just as hard and are much more competent than I who don't have my job. Being in the right place at the right time, I can't disagree strongly enough that there is no such thing as luck. There's definitely such thing as luck. So what do they need? What luck do they need in Kirin? I don't know. I, you know, that not believing in luck or believing in luck doesn't mean that I don't believe you have to work hard. I think that obviously, you know, as you said, there's a lot of challenges ahead that you need to work towards. But sometimes things don't happen and get derailed for any number of reasons. But yeah, I, good luck. We wished him luck. That could be a good ending, but we're pushing it. We have another, we have room for one more question and we have, that was our luck. It was the last question. So I think that was meant to be. And thank you a lot for sharing your stories and