 Avishunt is like when you work in darkness, you cannot be able to see where you are going specifically. But when you are in light, you know where you are going. A blind person cannot be able to identify the place that is going correctly without using the stick that he usually uses. But he must be directed by something. Even in life, there is the thing that directs us. So you know the vision, in vision there are the mantras that direct us. So when you are having a vision, you are knowing where specifically you are going. But a person that doesn't have a vision, you cannot specifically say that he is going somewhere. He will just be living and rotating in the same place or revolving in the same place. He will be doing the same things today, tomorrow because there is not that target. When the hinds are blindfolded and you are told to hit or shoot a target, you cannot be able to shoot a target. So even in life, when you want to go somewhere, there must be the blueprints that directs you towards reaching that place. But not so many people have that ability of writing down the integrities of what you want to achieve. Until you do something called self introspection, I don't know if anyone has ever done that. But let me come back to you. Please remind me, why did you say you want to see yourself in the next 10 years? I say that I see myself developing into becoming a great leader. Come in the next 10 years to come. So I stand in the field of becoming a great politician in wherever I come from and maybe here in our school UN University of Nairobi. That's where my future lies. So next question still, why is it important to have a vision board as a person? Do you have one? Maybe you can break it down for us as well. Yes, sure, sure. It is good for a person to be visioned, to be a visionary person because in this life we have to set goals and we have the dreams and the goals that we have set for ourselves. Focusing on our great people who have achieved in this life, great leaders who have achieved like people like US President Barack Obama, he just came from nowhere and he developed and became US President and he never knew whether that one could be achieved. So for me and for the other people, I see myself being a great person. I just want to be visionary as I am. Being a charismatic leader is something that we should put back in our minds, that we should join hands and work through because so many people, our great leaders, former or forefathers who fought for our independence, they still had a vision. People like Nelson Mandela, they fought for the independence of their people and that's why we need to have such kind of knowledge and understanding and wisdom. That's why we can develop and become such kind of people in our nation and become a people of change and evolution. In your name, I'm really confused a little bit. The HE stands for His Excellency or something? Yes, sure. But your real names are Calonzo Mathias. Calonzo Mathias. Alright. Because you're chairman and comrades union, so I was really wondering, is it a title that you get when you become a leader at your institution? Yes, that's a title when I got into UN, students called me His Excellency. You see, when I was just interrogating them, I was just conversing with them, they just gave me that name and I saw it is suitable for me almost to quote it. I get you now. And William Jeremy. So maybe I love you guys to just paint for us a picture of how is it like to be who you are because you're also an author and evangelist and the Edenski organization that you mentioned. So take us to that journey of how you worked to become this person and now you're here on TV. Okay. It has not been an easy journey. You know, as a person that is growing up, for you specifically to be able to reach to a place that you are going, there are a lot that happens. There are messes. It is like a baby that is beginning to, that has just been born and has some few months or years and wants to begin to walk. So he must crawl, he must stand, he must fall. So even in life, before I reached where I am specifically, there are places that have crawled, there are places that have risen, there are places that have falled. They have fell. My journey began at University of Nairobi. That's the place that I think, although it was a blessing and a discus because at the University of Nairobi back then in 2015, I was there and I was not that good person which people can say that is that good person. Good person in terms of character or academic performance? In terms of character. Meaning you had your own nefarious ways that were not acceptable at the institution? At the institution. If you can pinpoint. I remember when I joined Kampas, I was that kainosent guy. After coming back from high school, I was that person that was that kaholi, that person that church goya, that kainosent soul. So when I came to Kampas, I felt like exploring life now. In the process of exploring life, I found myself in drug addiction. And in that I lost focus. So how did you get to a place of exploration? Because actually when everybody joins Kampas, they are always new. You always agree to a lot of things until you start engaging and indulging. And it starts with bad company and peer pressure. And the need to feel that you identify with a certain group of people. So what happened? So specifically what happened is that I found a certain, in those days there were cutters and guns that were creating the inverse of Nairobi. We can say they were the wise men gang, the pangakazi, all those were gangs that were operating. That's back then in 2015, 2014, 2015 there. So I wanted to identify myself with at least I be in a certain gang because at that time I had aspiration also becoming a leader. And at that time you could not become a leader unless first of all you associated yourself with a certain gang. In my friend ya knows. For now that is not a thing. For now I think Prof. Ambedi did these things and there were things that were, there were information that were brought but that this is now during Unsa. But during Sonu's days it was a different story during Babu Wino's days. It was a different story the story that is happening right now in Unsa. So take us through what happened finally. How are you starting engaging what drugs were these? I began by Bang because we used to sell Banga at the hostels. We used to supply Banga, all those hard drugs, narcotics. So in the process I found myself also addicted using the drug that we are using known as Kete. Kete is some kind of, nika makalika you used to, it is like a chok, it is like a chok ya kwendikaka blackboard. Is it a slang word? Ya, so it is known as Kete. Professionally? No, professionally it is like... Or medical. It is a, nile lugam, tani nasimaji lugam ta. Shamete, okay. So you found yourself using Kete? So I found myself using Kete and in that process, while we were in that gang, I remember I found myself in prison and if I can just say how I found myself in prison. Briefly? Briefly. Yes. In 2015 there were students that were killed at the near St. Paul, St. Paul and UN hostels in between there. So there were students that were killed while they were mugging people. So in that day, I was a student leader already, school of economics and I was trying to defend them. I was trying to defend them and in that process I associated that I was among them that were mugging. And so due to that process, the whole thing I found myself in prison. And for how long were you jailed? I was remanded. And when they bailed you out? Your parents? At that time my parents were not in capacity because the bond was too high, it was too low. So I had to spend all the six years casing in prison until I came out. So finally as we exit on that story, how did you become an author? An author is a really respectable person. Anybody who has a book, I rank you a thousand percent. So what book did you write and what is the content in the book? So the book that I wrote is known as the gavel of redemption. If you know gavel, gavel is that car the one that the judge uses at the court of law. So due to my experiences that I obtained in prison because it is in prison that I obtained Christ and I became an evangelist while I'm in prison. I was born again in prison. So in that book I'm trying to share my experiences that can be able to help youths to be able to navigate in life when they are in tough situations or problems. Correct. We will tell us more details about that. What about you? What do you do at your end that has put you in a place that you feel in the next ten years you're going to be the next person you're looking out for? You're pursuing criminology. Definitely you'll be walking with the DCI. What have you said that will actually get you there? So for me I would like first to start with my journey story. Wherever I came from when I was born and how I'm now at your end. So I started realizing myself while I was in back in class 7 that is I into the field of the politics that's when I just decided to go for a position in our class as a class governor by then and we just had to come in for that time. So I came in and the students just voted for me. After that I went to closet I became the students they just wanted me to be the president but you know that in that task that one I never wanted because the teachers will be rushing up and down since I have my exam so I just decided to go for a speaker they just chose me to be the speaker of the school. So from then I did well I proceeded to my high school I went to Kitondo Boys High School it was a high school for my 4 years so in Kitondo I became I informed one from two I was just a perfect inform three I became the school prime minister so that's where I did and from there I just focused on my studies I never knew whether I would get myself into your aid So it happened like a miracle To me it was even I never knew whether I would just make it in live and get myself into a university So it was just Was it because of the family conditions and where you got brought up? Ya ya because I had some school fees a lot of burden to me my parents were not that stable enough because in our family we were two of us who were in high school there were others who were back in college and university still the parent was the same parent who was fighting for all those kids so it became a very huge task for him So how did you join UN and finally? Finally I joined UN I did well in my KCC and I just with these nini kusips they just put me at UN and I found myself at UN On help now? Still on help? Ya ya On help as a student? Ya za Help You are on help? Ya ya I am on help that is it So although the fees it is still challenging but we try to overcome and we are still doing well We joined UN University of Nairobi and it became being at the great university of Nairobi it is not just a simple thing and you are coming from the village village guy coming to the university of Nairobi University of Nairobi is a very workers university that people aim to get in and it is also a home of leaders so I just feel much appreciated to be there because we actually have 8 minutes to go so I can't let you tell the whole story but definitely you will tell it Do you feel like Gen Z's in this day and age? Do you identify as a Gen Z or a millennium? Gen Z is it? Are you a Gen Z or a millennium? Gen Z Gen Z nice you are the best fit for this question Do you feel like most Gen Z's do not care about whether they will be in the next 10 years and everything that they do is best on now I can spend 10 million now I don't care about the next 5 years and how do you experience that as a person who is in campus in terms of just the general facets of your life in terms of progress in terms of my progress maybe even a student like us for us we are students the little that we get maybe we just program it or now we can utilize it well because Bakien University and whatever small we get we need to utilize it well because as for now you can see that all the living standards have gone up so we need just to work with what we have maybe to work with kumaris just they just are 5 it is very hard but we are still managing all that kwenamani kwenabila food I will get back to you do you feel like people in this day and age are more conscious of their future than what will happen before even the future happens or everybody is just starting to survive are people more on survival mode or concerned more about the future from your experience because we really have a comprehensive experience of life in general possible are you conscious of the future I am conscious of the future and I think that one should be conscious of the future the Gen Z generation is a generation that lives out of the end but don't the means they don't trust on the process but they are so much quick to the end escaping the process so in that mentality because they have so much program their mind to that mentality most of them have no visions, they have no purpose they have no direction because all that matters to them is the end but not the process because the vision is all about the process but when you say they don't trust the process is it a must for someone to trust the process like why should you wait for 10 years to be a TV host you can get some few connections and jump in and become the next big thing in media to wait for 10 years it's not it's all about how smart you are in the market it requires the capability to be smart because there's also a person that can wait for the 10 years there's also a person that can take a short period of time and navigate his ways but it's all about how smart are you as long as it's not a devious means that you are using to to be able to reach the end it is well but if you are devious and you are using to reach the end then there is an error there do you believe short cuts are long cuts indeed is a short cut a long cut because I'm also looking what should I have to go through this pain while I can still have somebody just fix some 2-3 things and I pop up and pull up let me tell you one thing that short cuts will never bring peace onto you as long as anything that you obtain through short cuts it never brings peace because there are a lot because for example right now if I say for example okay I'm not putting him in a wrong perspective but if I give my brother something like 10 million while he's in campus that 10 million it's either it can kill him or it can make him survive because how will the 10 million because we see 10 million right now if it's going to be better and better okay it will be better but does it have the capacity is this mind in that capacity to be able to handle that 10 million okay I get you now so we must pass through the process you be trained and then now you be in the correct situation for example even leadership if you can see in our country there are leaders that were elected while they are young and some of them are misbehaving like who okay some are misbehaving can you see their character the way they are talking in the social media there's a lot of childishness because they didn't pass through the correct process of being trained as leaders but they just came instantly and became leaders sure so in short people should trust the process but you know we said the process should trust me instead are you trusting the process that you want to achieve in between because you're in second year so have more years to go sure one should trust the process because it is a matter of believing and believing it is something which will make us achieve what we want achieving something it is not just just a small thing but we need to have that to be in that field we need to take ourselves into that figure we know that we just come from somewhere and we need to achieve something maybe you can tell me what is trusting the process to you because you are right Genzi what is trusting the process to you what is the definition of trusting the process before you become sure because being in that field for me like I am the chairman for the community forum the University of Nairobi I just believe and trust in the process in some few years I will be the governor of the University of Nairobi and after maybe I get there I become the president of the University of Nairobi so I am just trusting the process and I just the people surround me I just build a good rapport with them and we just achieve what it is there for me all right good back to you you've written this book you said it's called the den of what gavel of redemption gavel of redemption so what the experiences you've collected in your life the one that inspired writing that book and you mentioned you want to inspire other young people that or have a life like yours do you feel like in this den a lot of people do not have a sense of direction like how do you do it in Nairobi Aneshitu ni Maisha Boranamka, Neyandan and Tarudi Tuntako sense of direction and what does sense of direction mean in life first begin by talking about the sense of direction sense of direction is all about sobriety of the mind and knowing specifically where you are headed and where you are going because when you are not sober in mind when you do not have a clear direction you cannot have that sense of purpose that you are having of living because we are not products of biological accidents there was something that we are born specifically to be able to do so in this current generation I am an evangelist and I move around talking to young people evangelist meaning you preach sometimes you quote the bible I preach, I quote the bible I visit prisons I visit high schools now, as I meet these young people and this now where I came up with the idea of Edenskia organization because it's all about trying to change the mindset specifically for those youth that are in the ghettos and those that are coming out of prisons because I identify one thing that most of the youth that are in the ghettos and those that are in prison one thing that they lack is a person that could mentor them and be able to train their mind to see where they are headed on to but you know some story in a mentorship sometimes they say it's not necessary you can be your own mentor is it a must you find somebody to show you the direction, is it a must? you know for example you can be born in a place whereby the mentorship can be negated but there are people that are born in an environment whereby the mentorship is required because in their family circle they have never achieved anything beyond them because they try to acquire synthesize, they try to acquire whatever they are they are seeing around them just a limiting boundary nobody has ever gone beyond this Yelumimu is a high school and kaput so you need an authority to guide you so that you make further process to such people they need someone that can be able to direct them and be able to take them somewhere do you personally have a mentor or someone that you look up to even in your line of career and academia as well? family first of all I can mentor someone very well family your parents they can mentor you very well and the people the people you are friends and the people maybe maybe the people that you originate together from the same background there are so many people who can mentor someone in your career but for you any that you'd mention I can mention I have my cousin who always mentors me very well in my career path and I just appreciate her for that work but they will also tell me the characteristics and qualities of a mentor like does he or she have to have achieved some certain things because he is mentioning his cousin and I really don't know what your cousin does maybe you can tell me oh my cousin she has done accounting also she is at Kenya Revenue Authority alright does a mentor has to have some certain qualities before they guide you to the path of achieving your dreams ya a mentor for you to associate with that mentor first of all there is something that connects you to that mentor so first thing that mentor should love is a person that gives you interest for example he has said that his cousin is doing an accountant so for him also he may be having the aspiration of becoming an accountant and that is why he is associating himself with that cousin as a mentor for example if I want to become a leader or a politician I will not associate myself with a doctor ok there is something that I have been acquired from a doctor but it will not be like the one that I will find for example in a personality like Rayela or I will find in a personality like Roto no so there must be something that join us first of all to be able to associate with one another then I mean it is also supposed to be a person that is envied also by the society not a person that if you can take as your mentee for example let's take mentor if you can take for example the lack of the if you can say that that criminal that was killed you can say that Maderi was your mentor then who do you want to become ya ok anyone to achieve that dream they need a mentor at some point we have to go we are out of time so your book where can people find it they can find it specifically they are sold in the church libraries but also you can find it in the zone of savanness so we have to go thank you both for coming thank you that's where we put a period in itwaja sikoma period and we'll definitely see you tomorrow for health and entrepreneurship tuesday on the hashtag on the morning at 22 for 4 channel have a fantastic monday