 Yes. Oh yes. I think we are, yes, we are alive here on the Mellow Voice with Alan, who do we have? Who do we have Alan? This is a pleasure to have Rick Hughes of Sword and Saints and Sinners fame to join us here on an 80 special. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, I thought 80s I go Rick. Let's talk 80s with Rick. That's a great choice. It's a great choice. It's a great choice. So look, I'm sitting at home the other night. All right. And I'm watching the wrestler, okay, with Mickey Rourke, the DVD and all these songs from the 80s are on. Recording in progress. Sorry Alan, I'll just hit the recording button. Go ahead. Yeah. Why don't we do a show that top 10 songs that kind of define the 80s. And it was hard to, it's hard to only choose pen, but we're going to, we're going to run through our choices and then Rick can add to his comments. So to be clear, let's just be clear here. Songs that define the 80s. It doesn't mean your favorite song doesn't mean the most famous song. It's songs when you hear it on the radio, you hear it in a bar, maybe Rick's playing it on stage somewhere, you go, wow, that's the 80s. So this is our list. And everybody out there, please feel free to put your favorite songs. Rick, do you have anything to add before we start? Well, I'm very happy to be here. I mean, the 80s were the best, man. If you think musically, 50s, 50s were great. The 60s were even better. The 70s were magnificent. And the 80s was the biggest party that ever happened to American civilization. I mean, during the 80s, Alan, you mentioned the movie The Wrestler. It's really one of my favorite movies of all time. Mickey Work is killing it, man. This movie is so good. And they talk about that. I didn't even know Mickey Work was in it. I was just watching for Marisa for me. Oh, man. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, it's good to be here. And yeah, I know a lot of stuff about the 80s. Killer Dwarf, you got your Killer Dwarf shirt on. I partied with those guys. They're from Winnipeg, right? No, Ontario, Ontario. Where are their own days? Aren't they in Winnipeg? I think maybe it was Kickax from Winnipeg. Oh, Kickax, okay. Killer Dwarf is in Toronto. Yes, yes, yes. But they played Quebec. They played Quebec a lot. A lot, yeah. They were like the house band in Quebec City. So they were reformed in Quebec City. Yeah. So during the 80s, we were doing a show back at the, in Toronto, the gas work was called. Yeah. And the guy from Killer Dwarfs were there. So we ended up partying with them all night until the break of dawn. With the tricycle. The little tricycle. How about this? Deaf dealer, deaf dealer. Look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're from Montreal, right? Yeah, absolutely. So let's get this out of the way now. We had an argument or a disagreement, we should say. Metallica has to make the list. So there's a big argument. Your Metallica song that defines the 80s. So when you hear that song, you think Metallica 1980s. I've got my choice. Jimmy's got his choice. We'll talk about the end of the show. But during the show, I want people to start thinking about that and send in their choices for Metallica. So, okay. All right. So, well, we're going to wait. Yeah, we'll get to the end. We want to hear your choice too. Yeah, yeah. Mine is without a doubt, Master of Buffets. The song or the album? The song and the album and the tour. We're going to talk about hold that thought. Hold that thought till the end because Metallica, there wasn't like a big single. It was a big movement. Me and Alan had this big argument. We were just yelling at each other and screaming at each other. And yes, no, yes, no. Yes, it was a big album, right? Master of Puppets. But it was more of an underground big album. It wasn't in the mainstream, you know? Yeah, but everything was changing. You know, everybody was leaning towards that sound. Everybody wanted more. You know, Arena Rock, the term Arena Rock is employed for when you go into the studio, you record an album and you think about the live performances, what it's going to do, you know? Is it going to live well live? Master of Puppets, from first song to the end. I know. I was there. I toured the Master of Puppet tour. I opened for Metallica. It was incredible, man. All the songs from the album were played during the tour and there were all killers. Hey, Rick, that's the first time I saw you perform live was the Verdun Auditorium when you opened for Metal Church and Metallica for Master of Puppets. That concert was actually delayed because James broke his arm skateboarding. Were you originally, before it got canceled, were your swords supposed to open for them or that came about afterwards because it was delayed? It was delayed twice and twice we were on the bill. First time it got delayed was when the tragic tour bus accident happened and there was just before the accident on TV, at that time they had that Donald K. Donald presents Metallica with special guests, Metal Church and local band Sword and they would put a piece of FTW and Stone again and Master of Puppets. So it's on TV. So everybody's freaking out for us. You know, everybody's going, wow, you're going to open for Metallica. You're going to meet the guys. It's incredible. Wow. So yeah, yeah, you bet. But first I have to tell you the story. When Master of Puppets came out, we were big, big, big fans of that album, Sword. So we would ride in our sword mobile. We had this big Thunderbird 1977 and we called it the sword mobile and we were riding the car. We were always together, the four of us, and we would listen to Master of Puppets all the time. All the time it was our favorite album. So I'm at home. The phone rings. It's my manager. He says, Rick, are you sitting down? I said, why? He says, I got a big news for you. He says, what is it? He says, Metallica's manager just gave us a call. They want Sword to open for them, for the tour lag in Canada, Quebec. I said, are you serious? He says, yeah, they love your album. So I said, wow, imagine that you're here in Quebec and you're this small band that's trying to make its place in this big, big old world and you learn from somebody else that the band that you're listening to, they're doing the same thing on their side of the world. But the story doesn't end. Yeah, the story doesn't end there. So the show is postponed. So everybody goes, oh, it's crazy, man. What's going to happen? They're going to find another basement, but man, it's sad for them. It's really sad. So they put another date. They're starting on TV again. Italica presents Metallica with metal church sword, and they announced the date, you know? So the phone rings, Rick, what? The tour is postponed again. What? Yeah, James broken arm. That's what you said. So that was the second time they postponed it. Okay. Third time's a charm. So first soundcheck. We finally do the tour. Okay. First soundcheck. We're doing that and we can't wait to meet them. You know, I just want to talk with James and Lars and you know, I just want to meet the guys. So we're on stage. We're doing our song. We're doing the end of the night. We're doing that song. So I'm doing myself. So I turn around. I see Kirk and Jason and I turn there and I see Lars and James and they're like that on the side of the stage. So I look at the guys and we stop playing because we're like starstruck, you know? So I go, hey guys, I go to shake James hands and he goes, no, no, no, no. Finish the song. Finish the song. Please, man. I want to hear the end, scream at the end. I want to hear it. I go, all right. So we started the song right back. And we went to the mechanic of the song and we finished it and then we met the guy. The soundcheck was finished and we went in their dressing room and that's how we met them. Have you ever hooked up with them afterwards? Did they ever call you or anything like that when they came to Montreal or? A couple of years back that we're playing Bell Center. I think it's four years ago. Not the last tour before. I got a phone call from a friend. He tells me that Lars' assistant gave him a call and asked him if he knew me because Lars wanted to meet me backstage to talk about music. So I had just signed a contract to do a show for a town near here. You know, the Rick U show, you know, I was doing my stuff here, you know? So I had to decline the offer. Imagine that. So you stiffed, so you stiffed Lars. That's what you're saying. Imagine that. Imagine that. How do you explain that? Couldn't you just say, look, guys, I'm not feeling well. I can't do the show tonight. Then run to the Bell Center and no. No, they told them. They showed me the email that said exactly word for word. Metallica was infatuated with sword. So I would be a pleasure if I could meet Rick after the show. Imagine that. Well, you know what? It could happen still. It could happen still, right? It wasn't meant to be that day. No, it wasn't meant to be. And one last thing, just tell us quickly before we haven't even started the top ten show yet. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. Tell us quickly. Everybody keeps asking. Sword, sword, sword, when's a new album coming out? What are we looking at in terms of time frame here? When is this going to come out? First and foremost, I want to apologize to the fans that I've been waiting a very, very, very long time. Listen, guys, you've waited 30 years for this. The album is ready. It's been ready for two years. We were supposed to release it before 2020 and when 2020 happened, you know, March 2020, when we had a band meeting and we said, okay, so let's take the album out and let's wait till this turns on a new lead that's still and now we're almost ready. I have the date. They didn't give me the okay to announce it yet, but it's coming out this year. 2022. We could say 2022. Can we say 2022? Yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. We're going to bank on 2022 now, right? We got to have you back. We have to have you back and talk just about that album. I won't tell you the date, but I'm going to tell you this fall 2022. The album is incredible from beginning to end. Everything about this album is good. That's it. Rick, you're going to come to my backyard, me and Alan, we're going to film you talking about the new album. Okay. Yes, yes, of course. Cooler. All right, so let's get going guys. Let's get going. We haven't even started yet. 20 minutes and we haven't even started yet. Top 10 songs that defined the 1980s. Chronological order. In chronological order. So in other words, the oldest one till the newest one in the 80s. Okay. All right. So Alan, you want to start? Well, it's, we couldn't, there's some earlier ones that we probably missed, Jeremy, we're talking about ACDC back in black or you had Ozzy Osbourne, crazy train. But I mean, for lots of us, it started right here. Run to the Hills, number of the beast that played nonstop that whole song of 82. And for me, that's one of the big, big songs of the 80s would be run to the Hills. And it takes you right to that right before the hair metal and everything took off. Made in really, you know, influenced a lot of bands, including Metallica. That's it. February 12, 1982. Rick, what do you have to say about that song? I have to say that first and foremost, I was a fan of Iron Maiden before that album came out. So I have the first two album killers and Iron Maiden would Paul Diano. And I think that Paul Diano, is that how you pronounce it? Paul Diano. Yeah. I think he did a great job on those two albums. He was perfect, you know, more punkish, you know, he had a great voice, a great attitude, but definitely Bruce Dickinson was the main man. So I was already a fan. So when number of the beast came out, I was surprised to hear that Paul Diano wasn't there anymore. I didn't know why. Everybody was saying, yeah, yeah, but Bruce Dickinson is a great singer. You'll see, you'll see. And when I first heard him sing, I went, oh my God, there's a new sheriff in town. This guy, man, I love Bruce Dickinson. He's one of my favorite singers. He's more operatic, more operatic in terms of voice, right? You know, in terms of Paul Diano's more punky. But yeah, let's talk about that. The fact that Paul Diano is more punky. Metal, in a certain way, comes from punk music. When you think about it, without punk music, there's no heavy metal. Because heavy metal, real old school traditional heavy metal, was like Metallica, like Megadeth or a sword, were not songs about love and flowers and the bees and this. No, no, it was songs about society, you know, about not fitting in, about how to fit in. And that comes from the punk mentality, the punk attitude. So to me, that the first two made an album are really the blueprint to heavy metal. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. There you heard first, Rick Q says, the first two iron mediums were the blueprint and I agree with that 100%. Run to the Hills gone from street. You know what, I'm going to tell you fast, fast, I told Alan this before many, many times. When, when, when Run to the Hills came out, I didn't even know they switched singers at that time because the single was released before the album, right? And it played on here locally. I'd show them, right? They played it, the single. And at first I'm doing like, what, what's going on here? It doesn't sound like Paul Diano, only to realize that later on, it wasn't Paul Diano anymore. Oh, the dogs. Every Friday night, we'd be downtown, Montreal, going from record store to record store, from record store. And every record store you walked in was playing Run to the Hills. Yeah, it was playing on music video, right? The music video was playing on the radio was playing in the clubs it was playing when you went to the brick, right? When you went to whatever metal clubs there was back then. Mustache. Mustache. That's right. It was playing everywhere, everywhere. And you know, to your point, it was about war and the aboriginals, you know, the, you know, run to the hills, right? And the perspectives of the war at that time. So there you go to Rick's point. All right, guys ready for number two? Can I say one more thing about Run to the Hills? Yes, sir. Run to the Hills. Man, imagine being a singer, you're like 18, 19, 20 years old, and everybody wants you to sing that song. Run to the Hills. I mean, that guy, he's like an opera singer. He's the best. I mean, come on. It was really tough. Because he does it flawlessly. He just flawlessly sings at that high range, you know. Now, when he tells the story, man, he's in the beat. He's like, man, he's killing it. He's killing the song. The power. The power is always there. Yeah. All right. And one more thing. One more thing. Yes. When, when, when they started to play the number of the beats on the radio, I mean, then I went, oh my God, I got to go back to the gym. I mean, nobody could sing that stuff. Come on, man. And then it goes on, it goes on. And then when he finishes the screen, he's like, man, you have to be in shape. Believe me, you. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Because at that time, you had to play the songs that was, that was on the radio, you know, that everybody wanted to hear. If they wanted to, they would come to a sword concert. They would want to hear our original material, but they would want to hear our rendition of a maiden song, our rendition of a Judas Priest song and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Man. You know, Rick, I don't want to drag this on a little too much longer than it should be, but the singer has changed today because now it's just like, and back then, if you were a cover band playing in the 80s, you really had to sing. Like you had to do this, the Dickinson stuff, the Queens Raid stuff, you know, and if you didn't sound like them, then people would walk out or just not be impressed. Exactly. So, and you're forgetting Dio and you're forgetting Robert Blant and you're forgetting Gillian and all those guys, man. And if you did not sound like these guys, people were not impressed. Now it's so easy to impress people, you just yell, right? Exactly. All right. Well, yeah. Another great singer is our number two choice. Let's do it. You've got another thing coming up, it's feeling for vengeance. I mean, that's another one. I know Martin Popov would disagree that this was the dumbing down of Judas Priest, but I mean, for myself, it was my introduction to Judas Priest and that song again was playing everywhere. It's got that chuggy, chuggy feeling. And of course, Rob Haliford, what a vocal on that album. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it's like, you know, it was very weird that song because you kind of, when I first heard on the radio, it was kind of, is this Judas Priest? Like you second guessed it for a second, right? Because it's very slow paced, like you said, Alan, very slow paced, a chuggy, chuggy, slow song. And you just didn't expect it from Priest. What do you think, Rick? Priest is a very, very, very impressive writing team, because not only were they already considered metal gods, you know, Judas Priest with their Sam El gods, they had a way to write songs which would stay heavy, but would almost cross over into a pop. Yeah. You know, breaking the law, breaking the law, breaking the law, breaking the law, breaking the law. You know, I mean, everybody can sing that, you know, it's like almost pop music when you think about it. Same goes for, you got another thing, some heads are gonna roll, you know, there was always some thing catchy, you know, where it would stick in your head, you know. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Very good songwriters. And Rob Haliford is what the singers today don't get. The singers today, all they do is they scream that head voice, voice falsetto thing. They keep screaming like that. But Haliford knew when to pull back, right, went to sing high, went to sing in the mid range. He just always knew how to sort of always be dynamic with his voice and not always sing one style. But Jimmy, that's just put in perspective that there's some subgenre of metal. So the genre of metal that you're talking about is an art form, you know, they, it's meant to be that way to be even, even women sound like that when they sing that type of metal. So it's meant to be that way. But now we're talking about melodic metal, which is another thing, you know, and it's still on. There's still some pretty good band putting out some melodic metal right now. You know, I'm just saying that Rob Haliford is the standard to singers in metal, because he can do it all. He can do the melodic stuff, the mid range stuff, you could do the high stuff. He just know, and even to this day, he's doing it, right? Awesome singer. When you think about it, 1982, this is a song that the band didn't even, wasn't even going to put on the album. Right? How many times have you heard that, right? So there you go, 1982, you hear another thing coming on the radio, you go, wow, that really takes me back. You know, it's, it's, by the way, I was at the show when they released that album, because I, I was a fan of Freeze since the live album in the 70s. Yes. So I, I saw all their early shows and Rob Haliford was a hell of a frontman during that period. He still is today, but in his prime, man, this guy would come and attention on the stage. He would never stop. Yeah. All right, so there is you running around. So far, run to the hills. You got another thing coming. Those are the two big metal songs of that year that just take us back. Take us back. All right, here we go. Ready for number three there? What do we got? Just a little, we had a little disagreement with this one, too. Yeah, a little yelling and screaming on the phone, but Alan hung up on me. Go ahead. That's the part for baby. I sold a gazillion copies. Jimmy chose photograph. I had a rock, rock, till you drop on that. So again, come on, all the chicks love photograph. Come on. Everybody loved that song from maybe a precursor to the hair metal, that song. And I mean, it was heard everywhere. You hear it today. It takes you right back to what is it 83? It was February 9th. Look at this. You had Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, then February 1983, Def Leppard. And this album was on the charts for a very long time. Photograph. And Rick, I want your opinion, the vocal line on the verse, the back vocals, and then the chorus, and then the chorus. Amazing. Amazing. I mean, it's the British Invasion part two, you know. When you think about it, yeah, yeah, it was British Invasion part two because you had Iron Maiden, you had Judas Priest, you had Def Leppard. I mean, Deep Purple came out with Perfect Stranger. I mean, it was amazing. This album, first and foremost, let's talk about Joe Elliott. This guy talks. He's got this voice like that. And he starts to sing and he's got this range. That's incredible, man. This guy is so good with his voice. It's uncanny. He's a really, really good singer. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. What I admire the most about that band is the fact that they stick with their drummer after his accident. Yes, of course. And they even, they challenge him to do it because he wanted out and they said, no, we want to continue with you. And there's surely a way to do it. And they found the way and he's always been there. And to me, in my heart, they have a special place only for that. Yeah. We had the pleasure of interviewing Rick Allen less than a year ago. That was a great guy. Yeah, great guy. And I was able to see him at the Montreal Forum, of course, at Gary Maury Crocus opening for their first headlining tour in North America was very manious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Photograph, just to me, it's a brilliantly written song from the guitar to the multi-layer vocals. Do you get songs like this anymore? You just don't get songs like this anymore. It's just very, very, very, very crossover when you think about it. It's almost pop, but it's rock and it's metal and it's, you know, it's got a great guitar. Yeah, exactly. It's got a great guitar solo. It's got a great riff and the vocal lines, he's singing up there. He's singing. It's not, oh, we got Queen Bodisha saying I hate it. How many people out there? How many people out there like photograph? How many people people like their photograph? Most will say most people like photograph. You're in the rate, you're in the car, it comes on the radio and you go, you know, this takes me back to a time when I had a big Afro and I had a skinny tie, you know, go ahead. Do you have, Jimmy? You had a big Afro? Yes, it was a big Afro. It was a very long curly hair. You should post a picture one day. I do sometimes. Okay. Alan could have tested it. Don't remind us. Alan had a long hair too. Alan had a long hair down a year. I'm lucky because I didn't lose mine. You're lucky. You're lucky. Me and Alan are shopping for wigs now. You look great. The both of you. There you go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know. The next one also, the next one also was, you know, Jimmy and I disagreed on what song, but let me just set this up. Summer job was picking strawberries at the La Femme Folger. The band grows fries the Quebec. And we missed the bus. The bus was full. We kind of go, so we said, let's head downtown and we're going to buy some albums. And I went down to get Night Rangers. Don't say that you love me. I love that song. You're going to get Night Rangers. But instead I bought, and I think I made the right choice. Oh, there it is. There it is. There it is. I chose Metal Health. Of course, Bang Your Head. And Jimmy says, come up, come feel the noise. It's the one that defines the 80s more or something. Yeah, it's kind of a toss-up. So come on, feel the noise, which was a cover by Slade, right? But they, they made that song so big. And that was the, that was the big single off the album. Then of course, Bang Your Head, Metal Health was the second single that propelled the album to be number one at the time in what, 1983? Yeah, in November 1983, I think. Bang Your Head was actually called No More Booze by Carlos Cavazzo from his band, Snow. So they re, they changed the lyrics and they called it Bang Your Head instead of No More Booze. Sandpaper vocals. And here's another one where the band really didn't want to do, come on, feel the noise. But the producer said, come on guys. And Frankie Benally goes, okay, let me just do a drum beat. And there you go. Magic happened. Rick, what do you think? Well, to be frankly honest with you, I'm, I'm reminiscing right now. And I remember very well that it was strange at that time because if you were into, if you were into Metallica, Megadeth, the heaviest of your stuff, you weren't, you weren't into Quiet Riot. And I'm talking here as a musician standpoint, you know? The fans, I don't know about the fans, if there was a gap between the two. But I don't know why they were, they were like, looked upon like more of a pop band than even if they were singing, bang your head, every mouth so mad, you're mad. You know, it sounded like a little song for kindergarten. We're only 16. We just came out of kindergarten. Hear me out, hear me out. What I mean by that is that remember in the 70s, if you weren't to Zeppelin, you weren't into let's say Genesis, Genesis, you know? You'd like Zeppelin, you didn't like Genesis because it was too different, you know? So in my parts of the wood, Quiet Riot were not a big band, you know? In my part of the woods, to us, a big, a big band was Metallica, was a Black Sabbath, D.O., Ozzy, all those Quiet Riot was like. But when you're in a bar, but Rick, you're in a bar, right? And then the song comes on. Come on, feel the noise. You're going, ah, yeah. I remember that time when I hated the band in the 80s, you know? You remember, it brings you back. I know. It brings you back. It brings you back. But Jimmy, they do fall into the category of one hit wonder when you think about it. Because this is the only song that made it made it really big for them. And it was a cover. So maybe that's the reason. I don't know, but I still, I appreciate the band. I appreciate the sound. I appreciate everything about them. Today, I don't see them as I used to at that time. During that time, in my parts of the wood, that's how we wrote. Yeah, it's all good. Again, those two songs drove that album to number one. They say the first heavy metal album ever to make it to number one. And that opened the floodgates for lots of other bands, including our next band that we're going to talk about. I just want to say on a last note on Choir Riot, the only reason I bought the album back in the day was before it was popular. I knew there was a dedication to Randy Rhodes. So I bought it because it was dedicated to Randy Rhodes because he died. And then only months later did the album actually get in the airplane and become as big as it did. But to me, it was more of a curiosity thing than actually listening to the music. I like the cover, too. It was cool. All right. All right, I already did this list. This was the number one song that sums up the 80s for me. I called it open for Ozzy Osbourne at the Moon Tour. And it would be Rats, Round and Round. Round and Round. That song is the one that defines the 80s the most for me. I don't know about you guys. Rick, I know you partied with Rats. Didn't you party with Rats? At the mustache. To me, Rats, again, about Coyote's Riot, I didn't mean to diminish them at all. They're a great band, great players, great singer. Kevin DeBrow was a great singer. But they were very poppy for us because we love Megadeth Metallica. Again, Rats fell into that same category. In my book. They were a good band, but they had one or two hits. And they were mostly opening for bands. When I saw them, every time I saw Rats, they were opening for somebody. You know, they were never the main act when I saw them. The night I partied with them was, I didn't partied with them, but we partied at the same place. We were in the same building partying together. Big bunch, big bunch of guys. And again, it lasted till the break of dawn. So you don't like Rats, but you had a good time with Rats. No, no, no, I like Rats. Let me take back some of my words. I like Rats. I like Coyote's Riot. I like every band. Everybody's good. But that song was huge, huge for them, right, Jim? I mean, that album out of the cellar went, boy, I don't know how many platinum. 10 million, maybe 10 million. It's, you know, they had that look. I saw them open up for Ozzy on Bark at the Moon. And I think everybody was kind of sitting down like this because it didn't really, the round and round wasn't a hit as of yet. So everybody was kind of like, this is Ozzy coming on yet, right? They're waiting for Ozzy. And then when they made it big, they made it big, you know? And that song and like to Allen's point, I think it was in the wrestler, right? Yeah. Round and round. When you think of the 80s, round and round, you know, no matter how old you are, you remember that song as an 80s song, you know? And you know what? It was a lot more metal than Quiet Riot. Listen to the solo and listen to the crunchy guitar riffs. And even Stephen Piercy, he had that sort of gravelly voice. Stephen Tyler of that kind of voice. Yeah, it was more like a gravelly sort of, you know, rough, more rough, less range, more rough, you know? Tone, you know? But again, to go back to Rick's point, this is kind of the beginning of hair, but for me, Rats was the one that started with hair metal, you know? Yeah. True. Molly Crew might have looked glam, but their music was not hair metal. I think Rats is the one that really put that poppiness, like Rick says, with the look, you know, the colors and the spandex and the strips, different color strips and everything together. For me, that was the start of more of a hair metal compared to what the thrash that was seen for Rick and his. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that song takes me right back to the 80s. There's no doubt. It's the one, why I wanted to do this list is because of that song. But those guys went round and round. The timing was perfect because of MTV, because of the video thing was so big and everybody would go out. That's a very good point. That's a very good point, Rick. Oh, yeah. The video was playing all the time and all the bars, you would go out. It was the video with the girl on the table and round. I mean, it was party time. Then they came out with Wanted Man, right? They're all dressed as cowboys. That was another great song. Heavy Metal Cowboys. I love that. But here, now, this is the song that defines metal in the 80s. I think this is the ultimate song. February 7th, 1984, the Scorpions released Rock You Like a Hurricane. Ooh, sexy. And I remember being at La Brick, right? I was upstairs at the Brick and they had the big TV, right? And if you remember that, and they played MTV back then, because that was the only place you got MTV. True. And Rock You Like a Hurricane comes on. I was like, oh, and I love the Scorpions before, from Blackout. But man, it was the Blade Runner, because the women all had that eye stuff, right? And these guys are coming out of tubes. Then they're in a cage. It made no sense whatsoever, this video. But man, was that song great. Was it great or what? What was it, at least, Jim? 1984, February, 1984. And Round and Round was about the same timeframe, too. I'm sure it was in, yeah, yeah. Very close, very close. Yeah. The thing about Scorpions is that it's mainly, is that they were very different from other bands, because they were German. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what made them so different, because if you had bands coming from San Francisco, they all had the same sound, you know, from LA, they all had that same grit, you know, the Motley Crude thing. And then you had the band from the UK, you know, they all had that 70s thing, you know. And then, whoa, boom, Scorpions came out big with that album. And it was the fresh sound, a fresh sound, just because of where they were coming from. That's the thing, you know. Lots of time, music is a part of the world. And people don't notice that, but it's usually that way. There's a, let's just think about the grunge, you know, when grunge music came out, it came out from Seattle. So all the musicians from Seattle and around Seattle would have it big, you know, it was their time, you know. So Scorpions, they were the only band that came out from Germany and had such a tremendous hit. So it was really a fresh sound. That's how they surprised everybody with that album. It's funny because when I was a kid and I bought Blackout, I'd go, ooh, German. It was so mysterious, right? They're from Germany, look at this cover. Ooh, the Germans think like this. And ooh, the back cover. Oh, the Germans are like this. And why is it naked girls? Because the Germans, and it was all this sort of mystique, right, you know? True, exactly. It's like they're so different than us. It was a cultural difference. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, great singer, too. Oh, Klaus is just incredible. There we go. We guys ready for this one? This is April 1984. Yes, I did not know what to make of that album cover when I was a kid. Alan, show it again. Get your bowels to the wall, man. Show it again, Alan. It's a very, it's very, show the album cover. You get your bowels to the walls, man. You know what? It's so, I mean, it fits the album. The music fits the album cover. That's what I'm trying to say. It was just something, I don't know. It was just, just... You remember that. Restless of the world, yeah. Kasta's a shark. So, balls to the wall. The riff. That's what it is. It's the riff. Is this A.C. D.C.? Is this Judas Priest? What is this? And again, another German band, you know, with that sort of cultural difference. It's so dark, that riff. Yeah, it's so dark. And then Udo comes in with that talking, talking at the beginning, then it just takes off and explodes. And then the harmonies in the middle, right? And you know what's good about him is that he had that Bonscott thing, that because Bonscott had been gone for a while. And as a singer, I love Bonscott. And when this guy came out, it was like, almost hearing Bonscott here and there, you know, and just for that, he had me right there. My favorite song was a London Leatherboy. He was just screaming away, man. He was screaming and breaking mics and everything. Balls to the wall, the sort of riff that is the ultimate 80s riff right there in metal. All right, ready for number eight? Down in the picture, that guy? Let me, I have a picture. Hold on. Here we go. Jimmy, I think you picked a good one because this would be the fine MTV this album. Jimmy chose, we're not going to take it, right, Jim? Guys, when this song came out, it was everywhere in that video, you know, what do you do in your life? You know, the video and just then these guys with, you know, you know, dressed as women, right? Or ugly women. And it's just they had the whole package. And the song was so simple, too, with three chords that solo was like anybody could play. The drumbeat was easy. Everything was easy about it. Simple. We're not going to take it. Yeah. No, we're not going to take it. It was just everything was easy, but because it was so easy, it was so infectious. And it was so memorable. And, you know, when you see D Snyder, you know, screaming the lyrics, it left a huge impression on the 80s. Absolutely. This is probably the quintessence. This is the song from the 80s. Quintessential. Quintessential. Quintessential. We were practicing that. Is it the same word in French? Is it the same word in French? No, it's not. I don't know. What is it in French? It's in French. I like to live dangerously. In French, it would be. Quintessential. We have to Google it. I'm just making it up. But listen to this story. I was in 92, I was in Los Angeles, and we were doing a gig for Saints and Sinners, and we were opening for D Snyder. He had his own band at that time, so I met him backstage before the show. I had a good talk with him. Great, great, great guy, man. Absolute man, down toward what you see is what you get, you know? So he gave me all this time, and after that, I met him the day after, and he spoke to me while we were having breakfast and everything, and then the 90s came, and you know, like in the movie The Restory, they said it killed the party for everybody. So I was reading an interview with D Snyder, and that's after I met him in 92, so when it arrived, Grunge, it killed Twisted Sister, it killed D Snyder's career, it killed everybody's career, and he was saying in the interview that in the 90s, it got so low for him, so low, so low, so low for him, that he was, he was, he was ending out pamphlet and parking lots, you know, and the wipers, for his cousin, for his cousin. So he says, you have to, he says, you have to visualize that. I'm the guy who sang Bang Your Head on empty. No, the other one. We're not going to take it. We're not going to take it, take it, Jimmy. I did a laps this right there, and we're not, he says, I was the guy that was singing, we're not going to take it, and some people would run me up and say, you don't have the right to do that here, go to another parking lot, and they didn't know that we're running against D Snyder, you know, the guy, man, this is so humble when you think about it, you know, just to tell the story. Now he's back, now he's back, you know, and good for him because he deserves to be back, he deserves to be there. Yeah, great songs. So again, we're not doing our favorite bands, we're not doing our favorite albums, we're not even doing our favorite songs, we're just saying these are songs that define the 80s, and definitely the videos that came off of this album, including The Price, which is a great song and a great video. Yes, yes. This defined the 80s, like, like Rick was saying. And remember this guys, they opened up for Iron Maiden, right, on Power Slave. So I mean, they were metal, and a lot of people say, they're not metal, these guys are metal. Back then they were metal, you know, they were metal, they're considered metal. They had the look of metal, but and they were metal, you know, maybe they weren't Metallica, but they were metal. Did you say Power Slave? Power Slave tour, yeah. Can we talk about that? Sure, go ahead. No, I'm just kidding. This is a great album, man. Power Slave. Man, what an album. Rhymes of the Ancient Manor. What a song. I don't think we can do a list of the 90s without mentioning this next band. Oh, Alan, this might, when we get tomatoes, throw it at us. Well, you got to put yourself back in the day. We might, we get tomatoes thrown at us for this one. This is Alan's favorite band right here. No. This is, I have parted? Just kidding. Making powder? Go ahead. I'm not a huge fan of the band, but you have to admit, Bon Jovi's living on a prayer. Yes. You couldn't go anywhere without hearing this song. And when you hear it today, more than any of his songs, I think it takes right back to that album. You're right. You're right. I love John. John's a great guy, great songwriter. There's nothing wrong with Bon Jovi. If anybody wants to throw tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes, potatoes, potatoes. Go right ahead. Bring it on. I'm Italian. I love tomatoes. But seriously, I, I, I had the pleasure. Yeah, that's what I was saying. You met, you met Bon Jovi, right? You work. Yeah, I had the pleasure to work with him. And I said, great guys, great songwriters, great artists, man, great human being, great singer too. And Jimmy, just, Jimmy had Canada's Bon Jovi on the list. Mr. Aldo Nova himself with fantasy, but it wasn't metal enough to make the list. But to me, he's like the blueprint of Bon Jovi, right? I agree. Aldo Nova. And when I, when I listen to fantasy or it's on the radio or you hear it somewhere, it brings you right back to the 80s. Aldo Nova. I mean, absolutely to me that, so we could have a Bon Jovi slash Aldo Nova right there, you know, two songs that define the 80s. And, you know, he was a mixture, he was a mixture between new wave and classic rock, right? So that's what it was or guitar oriented rock. So listen to Saints and Sinners who Aldo produced, right? Yes. You can see that influence on those songs. Guys, it's, it's funny because none of that is funny, but I have to bring it up. There's a song out there that I wrote that's called Someday, that's on Aldo's album. And if you look at the credit that says Someday, Aldo Nova, John Bon Jovi, Rick Hughes. So I wrote a song with Bon Jovi. So, and Aldo. So those two guys are great, great, great, great artists, great musicians, professional men. It was, it was an honor for me to work with Aldo Nova and Bon Jovi. After that, when I toured with Saints and Sinners with Bon Jovi, it was great, great, great. I have to tell you a story about Bon Jovi is that one night, the crew arranged a meeting at a restaurant. We were all going to Saints and Sinners, Bon Jovi, they had a place in the restaurant reserved for us, you know. So on that day, there was a snowstorm. So they had to cancel everything. So they come to my dressing room, they say, listen, Rick, finally, we're going to do that here. We told the caterer to prepare a buffet for the two bands and you're going to mingle and be together, you know. So I says, okay. So I was in my dressing room and I was going, ah man, what a drag. We're going to the restaurant and now it's, you know, I felt like it was, it was a bummer, you know. So I finished my stuff. I go out of my dressing room and as I go out, John's coming. So I start to walk with him towards where we're going to eat. And when we get there, everybody was sitting down. There was one table with two chairs. So I spent dinner with John. So the snowstorm was good for me because I had an hour with John Bon Jovi and giving me advice, you know, and talking about music and talking about the pressure of the tour family and this and that. And man, that was one of the highlights of my career. Are you like sitting down there having dinner and like, he's talking away and you're going, I'm sitting with Bon Jovi. Like you're thinking in your head, I wonder what, oh, he's taking a sip of his water. Wow. You know, wow. He uses the fork with his right hand. Wow. You have those moments now? I was thinking to myself, imagine all the girls that would want to have my place. And then rounding out number 10, the monster, monster, monster album. We chose, we chose here. I go again. I go again off of this monster album, even though it was released earlier in the 80s. This is the definitive version that any movie, any documentary, anything about metal of the 80s, that song would definitely be playing in the background. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's inspirational, you know. When this album came out, Jimmy, guys, when this album came out, I seriously thought about everything, the way I was singing, the way I was writing songs, because this album is so good and blew my mind. Still at the night is one of the best heavy metal songs in my book ever signed. I mean, what a song. K-man just says, I just threw up. Not from you, not from you, but from our white snake. I bought it very, I think maybe the first day or second day it came out. And then within a month, I just put it away and didn't play it for five years because it was on the radio everywhere and I didn't have to reach for my vinyl anymore. I just had to turn on the radio and there was one of five or six songs playing. So yeah. And it was a rerecording like you mentioned, Alan, right? It was first recorded in 1982 and then it was redone in 1987 when it was on the Saints and Sinners album. Is it on the Saints and Sinners? Yeah. Yeah, it's on the Saints and Sinners album, the white snake, Saints and Sinners. And not only this song, Crying in the Rain. Crying in the Rain is on this album and it's on the audio album too. Exactly. What a song, man. Yeah, what an album. Or this one. Yeah, that's a good song, man. Oh, great song. I remember, yes, go ahead. I remember going to a white snake concert with my girlfriend a couple years back and she went, man, it's good. Why is it so good? I said, I'll tell you why. Two words. Tommy Aldridge, man. This guy's such a huge drummer. It's incredible. The show was amazing. It was at the Metropolis. Why'd you think of the Metropolis? With Tommy Aldridge on drums from first song to the end, man. This guy is like a train, like a locomotive. All right, so now let's go back to how we started this. Okay, so the 1980s, we talked a lot about hair metal and you know, pop metal and here I go again and rat. But then there was Metallica, right, who was kind of like in another world in the 80s. And a lot of people would say that was the 80s for me, right? The thrashing side, the speed metal. So Master Puppets was released. And I don't know, is that an album that when you put it on today reminds you of the 80s or it really doesn't have a time. We're talking about a song, right? Just a song. A song with Rick. My choice is the same as Rick. I had chosen Master Puppets and Jimmy said, ah, there's a really fine 80s. So Jimmy came up with the Metallica song up. One. I thought one was more of a, you know, like because it's their first video. It's more of the 90s. 89, 89. We're pushing the 80s. They listen. At that time, Metallica were influenced by grunge, you know, they even had the look, you know, and the haircut and the way they were dressed. They were almost like a grunge man for that time. At least with Master Puppets, man, they were kicking ass. Come on, from beginning to that battery. But I think they were still underground. That's what I'm getting at. They were, then one brought them to this like other level, you know, I think it was just a small, again, I love Master Puppets. I just think it was a lot of small. Sing one verse, sing the opening line to one. I can't remember anything. I can't remember anything. I can't remember anything. That's how it goes. Okay. So what's everybody out there say? What's this Metallica song that we started? We asked you guys, did anybody come up with it? Master! Master! Master one. Exactly. Master! Master! Okay. Actually, Rick, I want to ask you this before I forget, because I am going to forget. Do you get a lot of the sword and sword? Like there's a lot of the band, the sword, it kind of sound like Sabbath. Do you get a lot of confusion about that over the years? Uh, not at all. Not at all. I mean, they do their stuff. We do ours. It's so different. It's totally different. Do people get confused? I was at Arshambo. Okay. And I'm going, you know, I see sword, but it's not sword. It's the sword. You know what I mean? Like even, even the people working there screw it up. I know. But listen, I remember back in the 70s, when the guess who came out, everybody was says, how can they be named the guess who when we are already at the who, you know, the guess who, the who. There was, yeah, it, it, it, it brought some, you know, some kind of friction. But then again, Do you ever call up the guys and say, look, get rid of the, please, or get rid of sword, keep the. Listen, can you, you imagine how many bands have the name sword in there and the name of their band? High sword, metal sword, the sword of fire, the sort of this, the sort of, at least we are sword. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing else. Sword. It's not the Led Zeppelin. It's Led Zeppelin. But it, but that's, that's my point. Imagine a band came out and they said, you know what, we're going to call ourselves the Led Zeppelin, right? They couldn't do it. They could, but I mean the sword, right? I mean, like, I don't know. I don't know. I want one song. The black Sabbath mentioned because there's so many, but Jimmy wiped it off. I don't know why, but we have to put a DNR song out here and I chose Welcome to the Jungle over Paradise City. So yeah. To me was a sweet child of mine. This album is so good. So good. I mean, again, when this album came out, I went to my, I, I talked to myself. I was listening to Axl. I talked to myself, man, there's a new sheriff in town. He's like, he's like, he's like, China's Chaplin, but male, you know, the way he sings, think about it. Listen to him sing. He does what he wants with his voice. He's bluesy. He's rock. I mean, he's, he's, he's China's Chaplin with bulbs. Then he turns into Jim Morse. That album, what I took away from that album was just the pure anger and the violence that these guys had. And I even said to the type, now that they're all millionaires, I want to see what the next album is going to be like, that anger is going to be gone. They're all millionaires. And of course, it led to November 8th. That's what, that's what's going to happen with the new stored albums. None of us became millionaires. And we're very angry about that. We get to hear the anger in the next sort of great. No, but we did talk about exactly what you said that the album is good because you feel that there's an anger from beginning to the end. We want to, we want it. I mean, I listened to my vocal on the new sort album and I'm over the edge, man. When I went into the studio, I said that to the guy. I said, listen, guys, you're going to give me time because every song I want to be over the edge. I want it to be the best sort performance that I've did so far. So I, in command, which was the first single that was released now a year and a half ago, right, that that song is like, and I put it in the description of this video here that were, that were, you know, the people are watching. You can just click on it. It's on bandcamp, right? That's the only place you could hear it and buy it, right? And the song is killer, killer. Did you hear it out? You heard it, right, Alan? I was lucky to see Rick three summers ago at Procter Mesa Nerve. He was there to support his sister Lulu with the breast found breast cancer foundation. And he did a rendition of with a little help from my friends. And I have to say, Rick, your voice that day sounded as if you were still, you know, 20 years old. It was incredible how your voice has maintained all these years. Thank you so much. I really, really, really appreciate what you just said. And it's the most important thing to me. I was joking about the being a millionaire or not being a millionaire. This is not important in life. What's important to me is happiness, is health, it's mental health and a singer's health. That's what decides how long it's going to sing, you know? That's why you got the gym. You got the gym in back of you, right? Because you're working out. I got my gym at home and I mean, I do everything. So my voice is up to par. We did a short concert in 2018 at Club Soda. And that's what everybody told me. They said, man, you sound like back in the 80s because I sing the same song. You know, I have to sing the song from Metal Eyes and Sweet Dreams when I'm live. And I have to admit, at first, I was a bit anxious when we started to rehearse and get ready to do some shows. But when I realized that I could still do it, then all fears left me. It's a great, that first song, In Command, spelt with a K, is phenomenal. I love that first single. I think it's like incredible. So it's in the video description of this video, so people could check it out. They could buy it too. It's only like a buck or two. Look at that. Oh, sweet dreams. Three great albums. Everybody said, hey, I don't know Rick. There you go. Two great albums that go down and find and listen to. And of course, since Rick's on the show, for me it's Dare to Spit. There's another one from the 80s. I'm going to choose Dare to Spit from Swords. Man, I love that song. That's one of my favorites. I remember writing it before I went Dare to Spit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because remember back in the 80s, I don't know why everybody was into that black magic kind of thing, number of the beast, you know, black sabbathorn again, you know, deal with the Dungeons and Dragons, you know. Metal with scary, you know. So when I wrote the song, I put myself in the shoes of the dead person. And I said to myself, yeah, if there is an afterlife and some people are talking bad towards me, I'm gonna go in their sleep and I'm going to hound them. That's how I wrote this song. That's your Italian side, speaking. Dare to Spit on my brain. That's your Italian side. Exactly. Here's my Italian side. Canvere says, Jimmy, can you ask him if you ever played Hammersmith Odeon? Yes, you did, right? You played Hammersmith Odeon in London, right? Oh man, it was incredible. Yes, I did play the Hammersmith Odeon twice and opening for Motorhead. So it was jam-packed and we were, we have just made the cover of Karang Magazine at that time, Karang Magazine from England. That's cool. So everybody was really, really looking forward to hearing the band live. So the next day that we did our two gigs, we had a critique of the show and it was like 10 out of 10. They gave us 10 out of 10. They said those Canadian were rocking the stage like crazy. I still have it. I kept it because you don't get good critics like that, especially at the Hammersmith Odeon. Just so people understand, Hammersmith Odeon, it's like the Place des Arts of London. So everybody played there, the Beatles, Zeppelin, the Stones, they all played there. So it was, it was very, very, very special being there. Oh, absolutely. Let me, let me, let me, was the best. The best. Did he drink that night? Oh yeah. We were doing a lot of drinking and a lot of other stuff, but I mean, as a friend, you know, as a person, he was great, man. He was very, very humble, very simple, not complicated at all. A real runner. You didn't party with him because you, you would, you lose three or four days at a time if you partied with Levy. I did party with him and I did lose a couple of idols because of that for a couple of days. Yes. All right. In these last few minutes, I want everybody to say, say, uh, uh, mention a song that they think the 80s, you know, they think was the definition of the 80s for them. Right. Okay. We, we kind of did a, and again, this is not our favorite music. This is just the songs that take us back. So to me, to me, to me is, to me is that, is that Ozzie Osbourne's Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Man and both albums to me are, are, are the definition of metal from the 80s. To me. Yeah. One guy, Phil says, Jimmy mentioned crazy, Jimmy wanted to put crazy train. And for me, for some reason, it was, I don't know that I heard everywhere when that first came out. And I love that song too. But it started in the crazy train followed. So all right. Phil saying Panama, Lucifer words is saying rainbow in the dark. Yeah. What a song. What a song. A bad hailing jump might be another one too. Deal rainbow in the dark and deal rainbow in the dark. It was played heavily on the radio, but it, you know what, I don't know if it brings me back to the 80s. I know it was a big song of the 80s, but it could have been any time. It's timeless. Right. Like Led Zeppelin. Lost for words and run to the hills. Please fast forward to the beginning of the show. Yes. How is deal anything not on this list or Queens, right? Jimmy, you know what? Two bands we love all of us. But at the end of the day, there wasn't that one song from deal with the exception of rainbow in the dark that really defined the 80s for not only us, but, you know, for the women and for the, you know, for other generations, right? What it takes for sure. What it takes for sure is that only diver is probably the best metal album of all time. Or at least one of the best metal albums. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's, it's all there. It's all there. I mean, the playing, the drum, the beat, the vocals. All right. Martin saying still loving you. Okay. NVC is saying mega death hanger 18. I guess those are the songs that meant, and again, everybody's born at different times. So they have, you know, if you're born in 89, I'm sorry, not 89, if you're born in 79, you know, maybe you have a different definition of what the 80s felt to you. Right. And there's people born after the 80s who see the 80s different than us. And maybe we're just talking about the songs that we remember at our time when the radio was playing those songs. The list could have been 30 songs easily. We got it down to 10. So now we're getting you and me, Alan are getting in trouble because I'm literally telling Todd on the next live stream that we did not mention any Queens right. So we're in trouble. I'm saying we didn't mention any Queens right. And now we're going to be tattletailed on to Todd. Okay. Hell's bells. Hell's bells. ACDC guys. That's a good one. That's a good one too. Of course. Electric eye. But a sign that takes me back to the 80s a little bit more would be for those about to rock more than hell's bells. Hell's bells could have been 79. Yeah. Yeah. But for those about to rock, I felt was more of a feel of the 80s. So looks that metal on metal. No mention of Saxon or a lot of new wave of British heavy metal new wave of British heavy metal was kind of like the end of the 70s right beginning of the 80s. So yeah, that's a different show. The top 10 metal songs that define the 70s. That's in the fall before the fall that talk about the new sword. I will for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully we'll be able to do it in person. So all right. It would be my pleasure guys. It would be my pleasure. Yeah. Good time. Thank you so much for the colorful commentary, Rick. Merci beaucoup. And thanks for everything man. All right. My pleasure.