 Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh Name another podcast like me Who gon' burn it to the table, boss talk Who your girlfriend favorite, boss talk We gon' do it how you want, boss talk Check it, check it, check it, this is Unicode, this is your boy, E.C.E.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, Outstanding The greatest! Official, Mr. Maker, what's going on? Nothing, nothing, I'm a dad, I'll walk on. Man, hey man, listen man, we got a guy in here today, y'all. This guy right here, I was told, man, you gotta interview this guy, man. We got the perfect story, man. So you just gotta know the city like P.D.D. or something in New York or something. But only in the D, nigga, the triple D, man. My boy gun is in the building. What's up man, boss talk, what do I see in my butt? Man, you finally made it, nigga, to the greatest, nigga. You know what I'm saying, we out here poppin' now, nigga. You know what I'm saying, out here, hey. Hey, they say fake it to your maker, baby. I know. So man, man, it's just good to have you, man. You know, being one of those guys, man. They been around the city. History in the city, you know what I'm saying? Heard you might even have a few dance moves. All kinds of stuff. You know what I'm talking about, nigga, you been known to bust a move on a nigga. Yeah, man. Started out here, man. See, James was the body rocket swing back in your nation days and shit. Man, go down through there. For me personally, I like to know the person, not because of the music, not because of the dances, not because of anything. I wanted to know where you were raised, how you were raised, the environment, the whole works. Oh, man, I was raised, I was in Memphis till 14, moved from Memphis. Out here to Dallas, I started to see the head of the Soto. So I went to the Soto. Why the move? He running from the Lows? No. Anytime you're in Memphis, too many niggas down there, man. The niggas in Memphis running from the Lows, I know about them. You know when you was in Tunica, you stole a nigga emblem off his car and you end up in Dallas, nigga. You hear. One of them things, my husband wanted a better environment for me. So I ended up moving to Texas, had a family out here. So I started in the Soto. So you said with your mom, so where was your pops? He was in LA. I didn't meet him till I got to Texas. Really? Yeah. So you didn't know him growing up all the way to 14? I didn't know him then. Did you ever ask? I mean, it never really crossed my mind at that age. I didn't care. Really? Yeah, I really didn't care. Did you have male figures? Yeah, I had my cousin, Jonathan. He was around me. And then I had my cousin, Dwight, and all them male figures. I was, you know, moving out of that movie. So you didn't feel like you missed anything? No, not at all. I didn't feel like I missed anything. So the first time you saw him or met him, what did you say to him? I was like, I told my auntie, I was at the airport. I said, you going to introduce me to the man? Because I didn't know who it was. He's like, he's your daddy, boy. I'm like, he's my daddy. He look like me. I don't know this man. Who is this? So we got a little acquainted. And then, you know, I finally met him 14. He went back to Cali probably like a week later. So y'all don't keep in contact or nothing? Oh, yeah, we're talking now. It's good. So y'all good now? I guess I don't want to care. I didn't really, I didn't really look at it as if like, oh, he wasn't there because I never had the time to really focus on as a kid. I was always playing on the way or something, doing something else. So I didn't even focus on it. Do you have some uncles or people that really stepped in those positions? So at the end of the day, that helps. I had uncles. So, you know what I'm saying? So they be stepping in the way anyway. They're going to tell you what you need to do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's real. I had the uncle for sure. So was your mom like a strict mom or she was just like a cool mom? I guess both. You know, try to do the best you can. You know, we ain't really having it all the way. Working hard. Yeah, sometimes lose a job, get a done job. Have to move, have to move, have to move. Stay with like different friends, moms and stuff at times and stuff like that. Your only child? Now I got a sister. Sister, younger, older? She older. Older? So you baby boy, you just spoiled. I'm the baby boy. You spoiled, aren't you? Yeah, I mean they tried to, I was spoiled. I don't really, I don't want to spoil it for you. I ain't, I have nothing to be spoiled, so it might work. That's true. So when did you find your love for the music? Probably like, I'm around 15, you know, 20. You know, probably my first album was the Usher album. Uh-uh. That's it, right. The nigga ain't going to laugh. That's serious nigga. Yeah, nigga, Usher, the nigga that really will beat Chris Brown in a Versus song for song, but niggas want to tell me Chris Brown better than Michael Jackson. Now go ahead, bro. You got it bad on there. Ooh, that's a hit right there, boy. He going to bring that one first. Was that your favorite song? Uh-uh. What's your favorite Usher song? I think it was, at that time it was, what's the name of it? One that was like, you said, man, none of the clock. Yeah, boy, that nigga sang too. I said, that's it right there, boy. I used to love that song. Then the 50 Cent, then Walker Flocker, you know, Adam, Gucci Man came in after that. Yeah, yeah. That was like 14. Yeah, you got the thug in it then. That nigga with thug in it then was Gucci Man came. Yeah, never, pissed on the couch, you know what I'm saying? Pissed on the floor or something, you know, this nigga talking about hood rich and I never had a bank account. Nigga messaged your whole mind up. You was a good Usher at first, nigga. I was. That was weird. Nigga was in her pop lock and everything, that's how I get there. So. Okay, one more question I wanted to get to for your childhood. So being raised with a single mom and stuff like that, were you ever one that was drawn to the streets? Because I know a lot of people, I would be like, the streets be calling. It wasn't even I was drawn to it. It was more like, uh, she just ain't had nothing. So it was like, I was just always trying to find a scheme or something at that time. To help out. Or anything like that. Uh, really just to like figure out something to get money in my pocket. I ain't have to ask nobody for nothing. Real talk. Yeah, man. So let's go and get into it. Cause you was how do you right now? Yeah. Man, you know what I'm saying? I'm 29 going on. I try. Okay. Yeah. So you, you was in the booger. Yeah. You know, I'm slick with it. Oh yeah. Yeah. So nigga, Mr. Hit that. You couldn't be Mr. Hit that. Yeah. Nigga, I'll come on out with it. See, I know how to bring an interview. Y'all don't know. I'm crazy as hell over here. Mr. Hit that. I'm thinking about when, when it all went down and nigga would do it. I seen a nigga on the video. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But we turned, we turned it up on YouTube. So who, who, who was your competition? It wasn't nothing. You know what I'm saying? When it was us, we was the ones on YouTube taking over. So who, like I said, who was it? Who was your, your, your like? My crew. Yeah. Yeah. Your crew. It was your nation. You know, I was with Usboss and, you know, Kendall and with fame and, fame and B-Reed. I was with Usboss at first. And me and my brother R.P. Willie and then T. Jones said we had all came up with the name. Your nation game. Wow. So when we came over your nation game, we called famous like, Hey, y'all gonna be your nation. We be your nation game. We gonna dance. We gonna play out look. So then, you know, that's how everything started going and they formed it. When the fame, it was in Duncanville. They finally got us a little fud and then we just started dancing all that music. Wow. happened though being in the picture you really couldn't you did you did you know how special it was because this boogie movement this era was an era that people will talk about forever they talk about it a lot did you really realize what you were into at that time man we were high here we were just dancing have fun because we were brothers we was high as hell and we didn't really see where it really was it was just something we did and it was something that you know saying we all did together but then you know you got booboo bless and like all them in hood they was like the older dudes that was doing it too so they really like gave the sauce to the young ones and then we took it and then we just built it up to a point where it was like it just it clicked but was mr. hit that name era before y'all it was around the same time it was around the same time music was club music but it was just ours was for the people that really would care which would be like kids okay versus them being in the middle like higher up age gap people didn't the older dudes and really they was liking it but they didn't they disrespected it like it incurred you know and so do you think that disconnect from that those two you know those two eras kind of cause it to nose dive or what do you think because it was a thing where I ain't a lie when it first when it started to dissolve it seemed like them them teach me how to doggie guys and all them in LA was kind of you know they rocked it on out a different way it seemed to me now I'm just thinking about it because people want expansion and when you got one person that's smart they understand expanding and they wanted people that lead it they go somewhere else without that guy sometimes because everybody don't gotta like that to go with them and they go give sauce to other people you know saying and once they get that sauce to other people in another state they stay might accept it unlike ours so what happens now it becomes theirs because they boost in it while we are here disrespecting it so if we're not on the same page which we probably never will be it's gonna go like that but it don't affect you know I'm saying the fact that it's still a moment because now we have tiktok with people dancing but you do you think the soldier boy because he seemed to be down in this area when that was going on a lot do you think he was he was down here do you think he he took some of it elsewhere as well they always do you know what I mean because at the end of the day Dallas is a very melting it's a melting pot we got every state here so it's always somebody come here and take something somebody come in and stand here for a while didn't leave it but that's still like the problem you know saying it start heard up so like to me the problem really be the fact that people just don't have a business structure they don't understand marketing and getting out there they don't understand having money to put yourself in positions of where they can still it what about do the Ricky Bobby and all that be have all that same time still like like I said no I promote music no not a market it you know saying we live in a market right now where it's tiktok and ain't nobody pressing the button on it out here or trying to why I can't say that that's not true you got you got C4S click for stars right yeah C4S you got C4S you got a couple of groups around here that's really into that that come on this show that but it ain't a lot like I agree with you on this that's now like that's right now types you know saying like this right now literally like me and 10k don't want that blue trilla okay with a loha yeah 19 yeah there was no trill it wasn't tiktok it was trill yeah cash that's when the wall started getting real hip yeah we dropped the song a loha it took off and went crazy but when y'all did that did you even know what it was being so early in the game I knew exactly what it was because you gotta remember 2015 I dropped Johnny Cage so I'm learning the business at this time Johnny Cage was my biggest song that really put Dallas on the map to where people actually was starting to pay attention to Dallas for a different type of sound okay you know I'm saying so where we have to have the boogie movement that made us here now because mode 3 did his thing that's the street side that's pretty did his thing that's the street side yeah we had hipster crowd right so we had the white people the Mexicans and all that and people that actually brought a product because I heard about you know it's real black people they hate and they really don't buy unless you are the top street guy out here you know saying merch wise and club wise you got to go through the club out here music when they go back to marketing too and the hustle is real like if you really stay with nose to the ground for sure pushing hard and making sure I think I think it keeps going I think it's the way you hustle yeah but that's the street side because out here on our side if you got a person to know how to market on the other side yeah you see where I'm coming from I know it's a what you mean so it's like it's a different world but how do you link to those people that make make those moves like when you look at say what's that old boy that did that deal with yelling him at first and the one that did he did what's name bone deal to he'd be heavy into these deals but I can't think it's damn name damn I hate when I'm it's a dude it's not just yeah but it's some dudes that older dudes that know how to market the music I mean they they mess with everybody I matter of fact he was he was helping your god at one time but that's why it's always good to have a team yeah someone doesn't know how the industry is moving and just so happen to get it right to because like when you look at social media and you look at the way the streets move and you trying to marinate and make all this stuff something to push into because we in real time when you dealing with this stuff it ain't like you got a book and you know how to mark you got to watch how the time move I told Mike Jones on here it was like damn you know when you did that that that song who is Mike Jones coming first round draft picks coming and he was promoting himself like that and his name and his number that was top tier marketing and a time where nobody wasn't doing that but that's why you see what I'm saying I do that's why you got artists that understand that they do need marketing and then you got artists that can just connect through the internet they have a presence of knowing how to talk to human beings you know I'm saying correct and that's the reason why it's a huge gap here because you got every artist attacking the wrong demographic I get it but you got a street artist trying to go perform for a trippy red crab yeah you got you know I'm saying you gotta get it it's they don't understand there's no structure to it and there's no no real gatekeeper to organize or help structure you don't think it's a real but even why but the reason why I say it's not a gatekeeper is because the gatekeeper my best to be the gatekeeper that it could be it could be the blogs but they starting to turn it to TMZ the only one I really see that's not is is Dallas global for real yeah you can't just say that nigga no I'm just saying it on the notice and I do that you got a bunch of dudes out here that's really doing you got a trio talking up here so you got to say my nigga name it's certain things out here that's doing it just like him that work with him as and and really respect them to in the game so you just see that but that's your opinion I get it but look what I'm saying and that's your boy nigga don't come on and try to play me cuz about that I don't do interviews okay I don't mess with people in Dallas like that I know everybody and I didn't did it but I don't mess with why cuz they don't understand they don't buy how are you gonna help the next generation if you're not doing the stuff to try to help them let me get to it because I am but that's the point of artist development and that's the point of sometimes you got to be quiet until you in a position to where you can't spark you know I'm saying it's a patient game it's a marathon and it ain't going nowhere and when these artists understand that and they understand having a real life together instead of chasing something that's not for sure for certain then you can help them better but you don't have people out here doing that because they catching a breaks and they dip it I didn't dip when I call my break I wouldn't learn the business got my deal on my own through Def Jam so when I did that I learned I learned how to not get finesse by these white people wait a minute you say so when you went got to deal with Def Jam you had a deal with Def Jam you don't just I got I wouldn't got my deal no I'm nigga I mean I got it happen I got it give me how long did it take for you to get how did you end up dealing with Def Jam it took me forever it took me to have to step down on my horse and help another artist and see if I could really do 10k so I wrote his two biggest songs which is and I made the B for one West Coast Cure and then Aloha I wrote Aloha course and I did the first verse but he already had momentum he grinded for that momentum he went and created something with the people called the world you know I'm saying and so when he did that we put it together so therefore now these labels are calling because he actually has called you because he actually has music you say these labels with the Atlantic Motown we want to have means with Motown Atlantic Def Jam who else was it they kind of fallen under now it's another universal I was going to say why I think Def Jam over Atlantic or any of the models it's because when we got the Def Jam it wasn't the same type of mean as we have with the other labels the other labels it was you got to feature with young boy we can get you that you got a feature with you know Rick I'm nasty we can get you that as nothing you know they are there on our board Captain Gates we already talked to them because when you hot you hot so they already be in minutes somebody else are cuz you know saying that if you hide you high I'm sitting back on this side you good I didn't wait my boy locking that door I'm just good I got shot three times you ain't got to worry by then you got Terry Terry's straight up got your back running right in front of the bullet for you know but she's like you know I'm saying at the end of the day I forgot what it is I'm good looking but yeah man no no but when you think about it like yes just think about it man you know Def Jam is not an easy win for everybody ain't going in just getting a deal with Def Jam so you guys had a major situation going on but detailing that situation and showing other people cuz that's what this platform is about yeah I'll be trying to figure out ways to get other people to see and I know the times and change but business is business and you stand on business yeah I young people who want to do what you've already done I don't know how to do it just like you say you have to grind but it's not just you going out here and grinding and they just seen you sometimes actually collaborating with somebody working with somebody you can reach more people than who you could reach by yourself man that's how you got you as anybody here any artist that's coming up out here in Dallas but they'll tell you bro it'd be so many people my Dean's about a feature I'd be like man send me some music I'm not I'm not that guy that's not gonna say something to you cuz I understand I get it and then you know I'm saying so when they see me this music I give them constructive criticism I tell them the real like hey bro you should work on this work on this and if it's hot and you want to send me something later send me something later if it's hot I'm hopping on we shoot the video I'm not charging you because I understand I get it and this is home it's home base so if we create the organization and create the money flow here through the industry and music and people start to understand and get it then I'm taking one step forward towards helping actually some to show everybody else how to gatekeep but you can't just say I'm a gatekeeper because you have accomplishments I have accomplishments I'm not no gatekeeper though you feel me because I'm not taking the artist and then hey Nick you gone you out of here come here you out of here come here you out of here and y'all just flourishing going y'all who's doing nobody here is doing that period no I get it man nobody here doing that so how are you a gatekeeper yeah but you you got to understand man the people that that they put on that gatekeeper lists are people that have action to help others man but they don't but they do I know maybe you're telling me Sean Cotton was on that list oh man don't get let's talk about it now nigga for a pause he said my money ain't good oh so you've tried to get on me and Sean Cotton come up a lot on this history was shown you know what I'm saying and that and that was my boy at a point you know what I'm saying maybe we can hash names out and talking and we can get back to it or something but you do too too many sneaky things and try to tell people that emotional but when it's really you you fulfill the you emotional period I got feeling part of the emotion but you can't just say that I just did no you can't say that because you got to understand Philly that I'm just like saying all his fanatics uh uh eat uh I put it I put it like this I put it around all like tortillas nigga you can't say that nigga you know what I'm saying I'm saying it like this they get mad faster than the next man to me to me from my experience you can't say that about everybody I've been to Philly okay so I don't know about them what about Texas nigga right there that nigga emotional there you go don't do that nigga emotional that's exactly what you because look who's my is he emotional too no he's not he really he really not where he is because you know see where he's mostly but how did you meet him I met him like 2015 we both was on the uh post launch I welcome home post his very first show and when did that song come out when you're doing a show to like that you know that little dance I think that was that was off with me go saying trunks that was actually right after he did that show like yeah I had to understand what the hell that was I was looking at it man I was trying to figure out what that was I was trying to figure out what that was I'm like what the hell is this you know how do I accept it you know what I'm saying you know going back to Dallas so wouldn't you think when he put that thing in the middle of his head you know you know yeah I said damn boy rock star damn you was cool with it like I make that whole stay up there like bro you're man this is expression I'm comfortable with why am I yeah that's an expression so he's just yeah he just put that hole in there I ain't never seen that before but but but but sauce Walker say he did it first hey and who cares okay go get a bigger diamond but it's industry thing be crazy man they be emotional I don't get it I don't I'm not emotional with this how do you feel about like sauce walking up movement that going on eight Rizzo Rizzo been my family since 2015 and so I don't think that's I fuck with him like I fuck with how sauce carry yourself to be an entertainer he don't think just music he think business and entertainment because that's what this field is when you step on the stage you ain't just an artist no more you're an entertainer now so you have to entertain these people but that's the way his presence is is what make his image in his presence make him who sauce Walker is wow yeah and I listened to his song you know he redid that uh Rodney old Joe Cooley beef that's my new one right there you know he hit that hole sauce correct he don't know they can actually wrap yeah they didn't go in so what's what's what's next for you far as what what do you want to see yourself it already we are in the midstream of 2022 like what where do you what do you see yourself uh end in a year like how are you trying to come out with the music doing what's going on right now I'm uh actually like I'm just really trying to like figure out all the way to this film sinking and tv show sinking for you yeah so like I've been working on like different pop tracks and like different type of some sounds and music and stuff to like send off the tv shows and movie next month I gotta go to LA with my manager and then we're gonna do some writing on Aaron Carter's album dope for our management company as we just started called a big umbrella company so it's a management group we just started in this it's moving man we just signed Aaron Carter to the uh to the management and everything and so we go out there next month we do that songwriting then December we tour we're gonna do some for christmas for the kids like partner with walmart and give back to the kids and uh just go to different walmart and do some shopping sprees for them what do you I mean you've built a foundation around the movement you know you one of those guys that people look at as one as a as a reason why we we in this music feel uh how do you feel about the music where it is today in Dallas like far as the artists that that that are are thriving somewhat are thriving in a big or I don't know how you think so I'm just trying to figure out where you at with it I feel like song wise it's amazing because think of how far we've came from big tuck dsr to like you know saying from mode three to asian doll you know saying rap and how she rap but drill tape just came out uh my boy debbie stones he do actual little rap delirical rap bobby sessions we got plenty of people out here in different different genres it's just too much talent I feel like the music is at all time greatness it's just we just got to get that business together how do you who do you think you left out probably a lot of people somebody that you think that he might have should have said in that group of people big extra plug you know big extra plug big x hard any hard that's what I was just telling the right one just do this like I heard him and then we've had interviews with him and it's just I'm just like his style you know it's this style he said it exactly like it is bro they gotta do one thing that show he's a superstar that's it yeah there's one thing that show your global superstar another artist need to look out for out here though bumpy johnson I heard about this guy man I heard this nigga the one I might need to talk to this dude it keeps the name keep coming up you know once the nigga name start bubbling on here I go to I ain't even ever looked him up listen to the music none of that because y'all keep saying this nigga name I gotta go look this nigga if I was to say anybody out of Dallas was next to blow for river like next to really do something globally it definitely will be bump why he got that sound like he got that he just got that soulful sound like mo3 head like it's literally either identical like Ryan probably gonna be like nah bro you don't want to be finished no bro like it's crazy they they literally same structure building there that's weird like it's crazy like he's really dead like when it comes to this thing and he don't come to rapping too you know he not even linked with with with with uh rain or none of them I mean I think they I think they talk but I think they probably they cool so they might be might be yeah yeah but but if it's anybody I can really say that I could say it's him wow wow that's that's big it's real big what do you think about uh wasn't a tie tie uh Tahiris yeah well very talented play piano and everything he's talented he's talented I would like I would like to help him with some song right yeah we are why you think because a lot of people say he the most underrated he is he's underrated I just feel like his song preference sometimes can make people wonder what instead of really like embracing it and actually enjoying it I feel like you know I'm saying if he had somebody to just help him structure the writing song I feel like he could go what we had done chief on here the other day and and he had spoke about uh just uh the bloggers and uh you know the people the interviewers and stuff like that like and and saying that you know we in in this market have a lot of influence and can help drive the artists is you know what do you think about the whole movement of the bloggers and the interviewers and just a whole you know movement uh I mean you know everybody got to get paid at the end of the day so I feel like you just grab more talent that you can that you see actually could do some verses trying to just charge everybody because there's already enough of that going on it's enough TMZs and stuff like actually broadcast the talent the more positive you are you might not get hits at that time but you will over time get hits and people will draw to it because they see that it's more positive than it is negative because you know we live in a world where everybody want to seem negative you know when when when uh tribe boy freddy and uh the yellow and the mode three and all that stuff being that you was you was in a you was in the music field during that time uh was you forced to pick a side or did you just basically stay focused on what you had going on and I have to ask that I have to ask that because a lot of people start looking at like they had to be on this side or that side you know I'm telling the truth right but it's like wow because if it ain't nothing to do with you and you're not in a immediate circle it's not your business it's a spectator sport though anything you're doing out here is a spectator sports of people that don't know how to mind any business yeah you know what I'm saying that's grown folk business and you see how it go how it went so it's like it's just it's just something you don't get in you don't indulge in it you know what I'm saying you don't put yourself in the middle of that when that first happened with mode three uh out there on uh 35 and whatnot what did you think about it because you being from Dallas or now really from Dallas what did you think when you first heard it that man I'm asking I know it's just like this for me it was like damn yeah it sucked you know what I'm saying and pray for a family because at the end of the day when you're outside but you understand you get it you know what's going on if you if you're out of the outside if you got punished you lost and and you know what's really going on between two parties it's only gonna go there or it's gonna get resolved it ain't no it ain't no in between it but so my feelings is bro it ain't it's up it ain't really nothing else to say except for r.i.p did you did you think the genuine the the way that the people responded and the thing that you see today online the way people are responding to it do you think it's more clout chasing or do you think it's more sincerity or what do you think that lies because we see with Dove like you it's like everybody that passed away it seemed to me to the wave of how people respond to it is it's kind of the same way across the when you look at what happened in Cali is that right it's always gonna be like that it looks like I got shot three times in LA I'm talking about instagram through the roof damn you know what I'm saying that's why I said this shit is the most dangerous game the rap the rapping world or industry or whatever you want to call it it's the most dangerous job to have is being an artist so at the end of the day it's a spectator sport in the world is a place where they want to see negativity do you and I want to talk about it if you don't mind you getting shot three times oh yeah for sure like what the hell's going on man I was I was around some females that you know I'm saying just put that put it in position and set up and he was trying to arrive me okay so nigga ran up behind me when I was trying to pull my strap out and he was like don't move I was just like I ain't got nothing for you and he was just standing there I was standing there I tried to pull my strap out anyway he shot me him in my leg twice then me right in my neck this shit I made it up did you feel what did what was your thoughts when you when you got shot damn karma bitch did you think it was the old boy did you feel like you gonna make it I went I got mad because it's like if you panic you must likely gonna die yeah people be done you panic but I got mad because it's what else am I gonna do cry shit I'm here who was there uh the girl she she left where she was there no no no no the girls was damn the girls was in the car the girls was in the car screaming okay you know saying I popped back up I was already gone I got up hopped in the car and he took you straight to the hospital to the hospital wow how and that was probably what saved your life really just just being able to jump up and go straight to the hospital instead of waiting around that waiting around kill people too yeah they could have came back or whatever yeah anything but so what part I mean are you a you're counting because it's called your father out there what made you end up in Cali we was in Cali working with okay Kenny beats FKI first a whole bunch of people you ride with Kenny B Kenny beats oh Kenny B okay Kenny this is a producer white producer okay and y'all y'all went out there that's when we had made the uh it was actually before that we had made the song a little hard but we went back out there to work with him again and then work with FKI a couple of other artists out there and stuff so did they get anything when they shot you or they didn't get nothing they didn't get nothing they just basically do false move false move and I made them you know they just hate that even happened you know then you are outside of you wasn't living up I got too comfortable you weren't living up there no way I got too comfortable though that's my fault that's my karma because I didn't have any other side of it so yeah so you know karma that's how I looked at it I ain't look at his redemption I ain't leave retaliation I just said you know what I gotta take my one on the chain I'm still up I'm still living keep moving going recover and get back do you uh so what's the uh what did you go back to Cali after that you went back to the same spot after they let me leave the hospital I was trying to see if my Gucci slides are out there are you serious I love my good man I'm Gucci slide clean oh one on one there you want to ask you about the music table she ain't that ain't that ain't what she think about let's talk about the music all right give me something on the new music that you got going I see something about Magneto uh here you go Magneto but but give me something that you working on now Kurt now I'm working on this tape I had recently dropped called the gun show it's more of a uh rage type you know I'm saying more like on the high energy high energy hot trap different sound but it's more for like performance and touring so like the shows be wild like my last show uh out here probably like a month and a half ago with D Savage my brother D Savage even Cali man it went so crazy too crazy out in four words so do you feel like you feel like everything's gonna go where you needed to go how you gonna maneuver it's gonna be it's gonna be ahead oh yeah for sure it's just you gotta you know you gotta know how to play the game and learn it and that's what I did a lot of lessons a lot of lessons learned and now it's like I'm at a point where it's like I know exactly what to do now yeah so now that I know what to do I can actually solidify organize and structure and rebrand are you gonna bring like anybody younger up because I think that's a big problem in Dallas man show like you when you look at these people who do you see that bring people up under them and just feel like yeah in Dallas like think about that for a second who you you tell me because I don't that's what I'm saying that's why I say that gay keeping I'm trying to figure out who is going to bring up the next new artist like and say I was this guy prince he's been doing it who oh boy prince thank you like yeah yeah who we bring just the people he bring it up under his his his situation right now right well you could say that about different people they bring under he doing that we not they're like pinnacle wise but I get exactly what you mean yeah because he's because he's reaching back and helping younger artists to get on still develop them in there right that's exactly what you from his experiences until it happened exactly gotta be quiet till it happened you don't tilt your horn well not too early have it happen with anybody that you this you see what I'm saying it has we've been doing now right now ever in Dallas Texas where's the person that brought up somebody that said he was under he came through me yeah nobody yet nobody that's sad and I think that's a big part of why you don't see the movement like you supposed to because I don't think the the the structure is there that's exactly why I said what I said about gay keeping because that's bringing a gatekeeper up in there amen I keep saying and I gotta speak on so you feel like we got poor gatekeepers I feel like they're not gatekeepers yet they could be if they did a better job they you jump in the gun too too fast you're not there yet I get where you want to be I get what you've done accomplished but you're not there yet but you got that gatekeeper are you talking about only for Dallas or is it for like Texas it's for Texas because you got Jay Prince Houston do that exactly what you talking about and that's why I was just about a seat because I know Jay Prince is a gatekeeper yeah for for Houston that's why I want to make sure you're just talking about he did a few people here I mean you keep you gotta understand he he's helped somebody right I mean yeah but who like for real for real who because there is it seemed like they always go somewhere else or that it's always a problem where they just not doing nothing I don't know who spot them got him he's not Dallas yeah he's not from Dallas but he still helped his wave yeah of course but who is he this we come out Dallas but we this Dallas that's our problem we go Florida that's Florida it's Dallas talking about Dallas gatekeeper to help people from Dallas yeah us never them you gotta do that too rainwater was on the only one for real that that I can see that's actually doing something trying to do something like this actually doing something I'm trying to remember who I was on that list Terry who's on that little Zag who y'all took him out who else is on there Zag got accomplished who real life story on there what baby on there what about baby oh we for the start calling the name baby who they bring this nigga right here boy you're up over baby but he never he never brought nobody to me I just don't see it's like who who are y'all blowing up not the accomplishments I commend y'all on them everybody got accomplishments everybody got two other paper too so at the end of the day it's like bro it's not a consistent flow of if I grab this artist he lived in a month or he lived in in you know what I'm saying in two weeks oh next one come on you give him saying like a machine why clockwork I think that's where people like you come in because you you've seen the process you've been a part of the process how do you activate the process throughout the Dallas market you gotta fix the business structure here because everybody want 50 percent of something they ain't eat it's a lot of people that want 50 percent of higher than they ain't did nothing but I'm not talking about them talking about you how would you do it how are you artist development through artist development and showing you how to actually use your money showing you how to actually spend it you know I'm saying that's that's really the only way you got rappelot down there and you you really I think Sean just said they pressed the button on anything and put the bridge behind it we don't have that type of push here that's my point we don't we don't have that type of push here so we have to create that push here and how you do that you gotta go get money go get your real life together first before you chase a dream you gotta create it first you gotta have your real life together first of where you can spend the money that these people spend these people spend a million dollars on their artists these artists ain't they not spending a hundred k a hundred fifty k they're spending three hundred k plus on these major artists because they understand tv they understand getting them on the jimmy chemo show they understand they get it they understand the business they understand the connection to have with that we don't have that here and we don't have people that understand how to obtain it because they're doing what they're doing calling themselves gatekeepers with no no gate damn keep it though well you know I I see I see the gatekeeper list man and uh I see it too and uh I just I don't speak on it I come to your show first and say it on you yeah but I'm glad you did because this is the hottest show in America in my first interview in six man life for real for real they're all hard they're all hard though it's top one on one oh boy you better get a boy you better get a million views with this one man we need 20 now we you know we just gotta keep we gotta keep uh applying the pressure you I think we got something special in the Dallas market man with guys like you jewels you know what I mean we I think uh the process is beginning to where like I said you got people who got great platform like the the uh mogul media the Dallas globals the trio talk no pill talks I got you got some dope people that's that really got some waves you know what I'm saying and I think that in a year if we can keep consistency going that it's going to even be a greater movement and I think you'll be prouder to come back you know what I'm saying and we'll be able to we we got some things in the works right we spending money behind the scene so there's some stuff that's going on I don't speak on it because I got to let it come to fruition that's like what I'm saying yeah that's the reason why like oh Prince oh you know what I'm saying Prince ain't speaking on that tune is on because he gotta do it just like that yeah that's how it should be but at the same time I'll be saying like even with everybody here the people that are the gatekeepers why the hell y'all ain't had no mean together if y'all on that list why y'all ain't had no fool on me I don't think that I don't I don't think that we're there yet I think that the list the list is being made by uh you know unbiased journalists but see think about it you see what I'm saying they just saying we see what these guys are doing okay so they're not saying y'all gotta get together but what we that's what that's what we need because because why aren't why aren't y'all seeing this list and saying hey man let me get on the phone with bro and know and let's have us a little mean real quick and really see what we could do a room full of people that another person feel like are doing something for the city why is that so hard you feel me like why is it so hard to get the people that actually understand what's what's going on outside and put these ideas together it's too much pride and ego let me tell you something man the way I see it is that God I'm a God-fearing man so I really believe that so a lot of times in the Bible you know when when you look at what happened in the word it was a time when Moses Neil was was in a wilderness and they couldn't get out right and so when they couldn't get out God let you know God let them down because they didn't believe in a way to where they could get out yeah and let the younger people come up you know what I'm saying a lot of times you gotta let these ones who just out here going in circles and not making the things happen because God gonna let him he gonna pretty much let him he gonna weed him out for the younger generation so I think that could be a part of the process I hate to be in that whole cycle though let me give you my real answer to that question greed greed they don't want to see other people exactly I agree with that it's too many percentages that go different ways and they don't think that it's enough bro I'm gonna tell you something that's my opinion no I agree with it it makes perfect sense because when I first started this platform just getting people to come over here shout out to uh like I say Trio talk no pill talk Dallas global mogul media and they know how I am I don't ride with I ride with the same road with me you know and I don't change up I don't switch them I'm not being mean but I just don't act like I know everybody because I don't yeah and I just I love the ones who love me I get the love you know what I'm saying that was my first manager yeah but at the end of the day they showed me you know what I'm saying mad love and respect so I'm just saying that's the way I roll and and what I connect with other people who I really don't know and who really I don't know if they have my best interest at a heart you see what I'm saying so I get where you're coming from where get together but it's hard to get together with people that it's just a conversation you gotta put the pride and the ego down you know motions in the back you know what I'm saying out the way yeah if you can do all of them three things and cure that then I guarantee that you can have a civilized conversation amongst me and another thing though like if you a person who just got into this and don't be doing it a year you just trying to see where are you going with it that's one of my big deals is just trying to understand what it is and where I'm going with it and like that's big for me like don't mess it up because you don't really know where you're going with it but those other people that been doing it forever forever I don't know they I reach out to some of them they didn't even hit me back but see look I've been doing it since 2014 2015 had a little thing and then going on so forth and it's our first time really yeah talking you know what I'm saying but it's like it's perfect timing yeah because at the end like you said God friend man we mean no perfect time yeah Terry made the call and it's first time in Terry I appreciate you man I did some so I feel like you know what I'm saying it's meant to be because I like I said I don't do I don't talk to people I don't like views I don't even like I don't like people man you and big talk either big talk don't like people me and him talking too many too many heartbreaks man too many talks don't like me we talk he said man I don't like doing the interviews man yeah I like boss talk dope man it's live you know I just don't I don't like it you know and I get it and I'm cool with it you know I'm saying I understand what because I'm the type of person that I want nobody that don't want me anyway yeah and I'm doing this off the strength right we ain't doing this when I hear charging on nigga nothing like that we get we get the people that God sent to us like you and then we holding on I just told you you know I'm saying whenever you coming back through in three months from now six months from now well hopefully we'll be in a better place and be able to put the light on your brand better and be able to you know help that's what this and all the talking is dead like you need to just talking and I know we're really trying to do something special with the people like you really you know I'm saying they're rocking with us and I appreciate you for coming on the show today right man so how can people get a hold to you no hell no top three artists of all time dead or live oh top three all time dead or live let's see if you go with the regular stuff all right man if you go with something different it's up to you your top three number three number oh you're going three to three two one artists yeah it any genre any genre okay of all time three I'm gonna have to go with uh I'm gonna have to go with Wayne I'm going with Wayne he in the side go to to I'm gonna have to go with you know if you're gonna be like this wait number two I'm gonna have to go with uh I'm gonna have to go with Gucci that's my needle to boy yeah no one I'm gonna go Michael Jackson everybody say Mike though that that Mike is written but Gucci Gucci don't really get a lot of a lot of shine do we like he should man that's my boy man come on man go out man that go out go hard on it man what was your favorite favorite song that he ever did my favorite song go I did and I'll probably have to say kick a dough kick a dough thank a lot that was serious that's so to me man it is up to me well you know you know how like I said man you it take a real one to just come and see us like this though right come through and see us and we appreciate you for spending time what a boss is talk man say man so how can people get a hold of you man look all social media you can get me a gum music 40 you know what I'm saying you can call me up now I plan now you don't get you know I like Mike don't you sue I ain't doing that no back no he got it back yeah he came on here he got his number back hell I might call him tonight I don't know everybody got it 281330 a 004 y'all call Mike don't call me man thank you for coming on the show anything else you got for man you know what man uh did we cover everything I mean we're good man it's been another great segment of boss talk one-on-one what a boss is talk oh yeah