 So it seems like maybe kind of sorta Joe Biden's dominance as the frontrunner is starting to slide Hopefully it starts sliding rapidly. Maybe the debates will, you know, help shed light on the conservative that he is a Lot of people who support Joe Biden They're supporting him one because I think there is a generational gap within the Democratic Party base older people like Biden younger people like Bernie, but two a lot of people support Biden because they believe he's just more electable Against Donald Trump. So if you really want to make an appeal to those people You've got to let them know that they are playing with fire and my hopes was that Bernie Would scream this at the top of his lungs Listen, if you care about electability, are we really going to put up someone who's similar to the Conservative we put up in 2016 are we gonna do the same thing again try it out another centrist Democrat Who won't energize anyone who won't excite new voters to come on and vote and who will probably lose to Donald Trump Are we really gonna do that again? So I've been desperate to hear Bernie make this case and make it passionately and make it loudly Right and he needs the name drop Joe Biden He's kind of been dancing around it in a way by saying look we need someone who can excite the base But he needs to be very clear and saying Joe Biden is not more electable contrary to popular belief Joe Biden is another Hillary Clinton and you risk losing to Trump if you nominate another centrist So he finally really said this if the Democratic Party selects Joe Biden as his nominee Would it be making the same mistake that it did in picking Hillary Clinton who lost to Donald Trump? I fear that it could I really don't I fear that you would have a campaign without a lot of energy without a lot of Excitement could Joe beat Trump yeah, I think he could I'm not saying that he can't But I think you know we don't want to make the same mistake that we made last time and sometimes this is where the establishment talks to itself I think that what the American people want right now is not only defeating Donald Trump They want a candidate to speak to the pain that millions of people are feeling right now and to get those people involved in the political Process to stand up and fight back so that we can improve the lives of all people in this country Naomi Klein once said on the young Turks if we just get rid of Trump will be back to a situation That was so bad it created Trump. She's exactly right That's exactly the point and that is look we all want to beat the worst president in American history No if spots and made these about it and I will support if I lose this thing I will be there doing everything I can to defeat Trump But you you want to address the reasons why Trump got elected in the first place What was that is because for too long the democratic establishment has ignored the needs of working people all over this country People work longer hours for low wages 40 million people living in poverty The only major country not to guarantee health care to all people is right a vigorous effort to come back climate change Dealing with criminal justice reform immigration reform. Those are issues that are not only the major issues facing this country income and wealth inequality How do you not talk about that? We have got to talk about that because it's the right thing to do and it's the way you win an election So that was such a good question that Jank Jueger asked if I were able to ever get Bernie on my show and That hadn't already been asked I would have asked that question because what Bernie Sanders said there He needs to repeat that over and over and over again People want a candidate that can speak to the pain that millions of people are feeling now and we need to address the reasons that Got us to Trump in the first place If Bernie Sanders started talking very loudly about this I think that could potentially draw in some of the people who are voting Primarily on the basis of electability and a quote from Jank in this is he says Naomi Klein once said if we just got rid of Trump will be back to a situation that was so bad it created Trump that was so poignant because He's got to make this case look Going back to the pre-trump era That's not going to give anyone economic stability It's not going to make the country better because if you don't take care of these underlying conditions that Facilitated the rise of a demagogue like Donald Trump. We're gonna get another demagogue like Donald Trump One thing though that Bernie said that was wrong as he said we all want to beat the worst president in American history Now I get why he would say this because Trump could be his potential opponent, but just objectively speaking Trump is not the worst president in American history. We just had George Bush George Bush is Measurably worse than Donald Trump in a plethora of ways, but with that being said if I'm Bernie What I call Trump the worst president in American history I probably would just for the sake of being strategic because there are a lot of anti-trump Democrats who will just vote on the basis of being anti-trump, so I think that it is important to To point that out now another question that he was asked along those lines is you know What happens if Democrats do what they did to you again? If we see another 2016 because they're already trying it, you know, you see these stop Sanders Democrats You see them holding private meetings Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and your attendant Terry McAuliffe Pete Buttigieg and they're trying to figure out what to do About Bernie Sanders So here's what he had to say about that now you mentioned there that if you don't win the primary You'll support whoever the Democratic candidate is and you get asked that question all the time What I've noticed is that the other candidates don't get asked that question of whether they'll support you But the New York Times had a very interesting story about how some Democratic donors are going to dinners to work to make sure that you lose Now those are Democratic donors not Republican donors and now even more controversial and this is not me It's the New York Times. They said Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer Pete Buttigieg and Terry McAuliffe were at some of those dinners Does that put a lie to party unity? Well, you know, I'll let the individuals you name speak for themselves, but you know two things I think we are gonna win the Democratic primary and I think at the end of the day We will have the support of Democrats across the board They may not be the Democratic establishment and the big money donors may not be excited about a Bernie Sanders presidency But I hope and believe They will be far more supportive of me than they would be of seeing Donald Trump get real Are you a little worried that some of the Democratic donors will betray the Democratic Party if you're the candidate or any Progressive as a candidate and support a third party and allow or at least risk Trump winning check at this Unbelievably dangerous moment in American history. I have it a Hard time believing that anybody with any sense at all would do anything to see that Trump remains in the White House because if he does Democracy itself is being threatened Certainly, there'll be no serious effort to deal with the global crisis of climate change, etc. Etc. I don't know the answer But I hope very much that enormous pressure would be put on anybody who claims to be a Democrat Who would think for one minute one moment of doing anything that would aid Donald Trump So I take it that what he's saying there. Maybe he's saying that to save face. Maybe his feelings are different But he says, you know, I'm not really worried about being betrayed by the establishment and Democratic donors I really hope that he doesn't actually feel this way because it's fairly naive And I'm not saying that because I think Bernie Sanders is naive overall and I suspect that he's saying this just to save face But you have to anticipate that They want to fuck you over because they do they absolutely do now He kind of left the door open on you know, this question here quote I don't know the answer But I hope very much that enormous pressure would be put on someone who identifies as a Democrat that would aid Donald Trump. I Don't know. I am not too sure about that I think you're gonna see a lot of moderates if Bernie were to win Support someone like Howard Schultz or vote third party or even Donald Trump So I think that he should be as loud and calling for People to unify behind him preemptively as everyone else is being you know Loud and calling for him to unify behind someone else because nobody asks Joe Biden Will you endorse Bernie and unify behind Bernie and campaign for Bernie nobody does it's always posed to Bernie So why is the onus on Bernie for party unity when the Democrats are the one who are trying to undermine him and they're the ones being divisive So these are really fantastic clips here. I'm gonna link you to the full interview These are phenomenal questions Jank has been on a roll with these interviews lately So watch the whole thing because it was absolutely fascinating These were great questions and I'm glad that Bernie Sanders seems to be on the right track in terms of strategy I just I guess I want him to be more direct in calling out Democrats If he sees any meddling because if you don't then they're gonna do it more openly and try to get away with it So he needs to call them out and make them fearful so they don't do that so that way They don't want to do it so they feel as if they won't be exposed by Bernie