 I am so delighted to share with you a session that I think has a stellar line up and will really inspire us here on the last day of the conference today. The session is called Revisiting and then it's an exciting hashtag so I think it's bring your own device for learning in light of COVID-19 and I am going to in a moment ask all of our presenters to introduce themselves but first I'm just going to go through a couple of the checks to set up the webinar so there should be an access panel at the bottom right of your screen where you can access the chat the participant list and also the settings and we'd love to encourage you to add a profile picture to your profile here at the bottom where you can click on a little person icon just so it's a little bit more personal as the workshop gets underway. This is a really interactive session so we're looking forward to getting to know each other a little bit and finding out who is in the room and if you're just joining us and you're looking at the chat please do post in the chat who you are where you're joining us from and how the conference was for you last week. Also if you're getting a lot of audio notifications or other notifications you can check those in the bottom right hand corner and audio setup as well. Now in a moment I'm going to ask you all to find your emojis and with my esteemed colleague that bath in the room you won't be surprised if we will be making use of emojis to start the session but the particular one that you're looking forward to is here the clap emoji and I'd love to see as many of you join in with a warm emoji welcome to welcome this group of presenters running a fantastic workshop with us today here at OER by Domains21. So find your emojis now and say hello to all of our presenters here in the room. Fantastic and if I can maybe hand over to Debbie to do the first welcome that would be great. Hi Debbie how are you doing? Oh thanks Marin hi everybody absolutely delighted to be here and I'm really great to see people joining us I'm very very pleased that you haven't forgotten about us even though we're a post conference workshop but I'm Debbie Baff and I am the membership and professional development manager for ALT and I work with with part of the the sort of backend team to help deliver the OER conference so and this is a this is a chance for me to be on the other side as well so I'm really looking forward to our session today and they're great to be working with these guys so that's me I don't know who's next. I'm going to jump in then because there's an opportunity so it's good to see the room gradually filling up and we're almost level pegging now from presenters and participants which is great because actually the news is that we are all participants here so my name is Teresa McKinnon I'm at Warwick Language on Twitter and I'm delighted to have this opportunity to share today's session and just to look at what has been a fantastic example of open practice and extend and expand using all that energy that we've just taken from OER Domains 21 and to hi Jim and to continue this conversation because open practice really makes a difference to people's lives I know from my participation in BYOD in fact they continue to teach me stuff that you know participation in a community like this can be what it takes to actually be innovative and successful so really looking forward to today's session. I think I might steal the baton and jump in and introduce myself rather than have too much silence so I am amazed to be here this is like a fantastic reunion so I'm Andrew Middleton I'm now at Anglia Ruskin University and back in the day I was at Sheffield Hallam University working very closely with Sue Beckingham and indeed others in the network that formed around some idea of bring your own devices for learning so I'm really looking forward to re-exploring some of the territory which turned out to be all about people when we were looking when we thought we were looking at technology it turned out we're actually looking at people and connectivity so really please be picking up on that agenda again today and can I pass the baton to Sheila. Yeah you can hi I'm just going to share my video hi everyone well like everyone else I'm delighted to be here still kind of I suppose basking from hand you know still trying to make sense of all the fantastic sharing that happened last week at the main conference so yes like everybody else I have been involved in many roles of bring your own device for learning from a participant to an institutional member to then being a facilitator with Alex and Neil and I guess at the beginning of this year I was getting a lot of messages about bring your own device for learning on my timeline and it just reminded me of what fun as well as a stimulating experience of what's so I think I'm slightly responsible for this session and starting the whole thing off with the blog post but I'm going to pass over to I think it might be Neil now can I just double check that everybody can hear Neil. No I can't hear Neil. No sorry Neil. Okay again is that better? Yes it is yes. Apologies I'll start again apologies I'm Neil Whithmore from the University of Salford it gives me great pleasure to be here this afternoon I've been involved in bringing on device for learning since it first started which is actually 2014 so over seven years ago which doesn't seem like seven years but fantastic to be here I'll pass on to Alex. Thanks Neil. Everyone seen hear me? Yes I think you can. Hi everyone my name is Alex Beers I'm a senior learning technologist at the London School of Economics and a bit like Andrew I started this journey back in 2014 at different institutions and what's been great about being part of this community has been the people not the devices that we've collected over the time as Andrew pointed out it's actually been people it's been a little bit like Pokemon so every kind of like conference or institution or work at or any open online space of just collecting all these people and adding them to my network and it's been a lovely journey and so hopefully we've got some kind of like useful and fun and exciting and maybe thoughtful stories to share with you so I'm going to pass the baton on to I'm not sure if there's anyone left who's left but we have we have recordings from Sue and Chrissy so I'm just going to pop Chrissy's recording in the chat and ask everybody just to have a listen to that so on your own machines that'd be easier than try us trying to get it through I'm a collaborator think so there's a link there so Chrissy was at the origins really of BYOD4L and other things besides so let's give you just two minutes off air to listen to that recording okay I think possibly you will have been able to listen to that so just a really nice short sort of contextual background to why we're here today and I'm just going to share another link in the chat and this is to our padlet the padlet is going to be quite crucial for today's session because it's where we're going to capture your suggestions and ideas as well as the discussions that we're having here today we didn't know how many people would come today so the plan was to then go off into breakout rooms but as we're quite a small group I think it's going to be best if we perhaps take turns and focus on a theme at a time and work our way through can I just check with Deb did we get everybody's introductions in there? The only one we missed Sue's out and we missed Sue's fault but just to let you know I was just typing it in but I might as well say it now so on the padlet you can see a lovely five minute introduction from Sue because obviously she wasn't able to be here today because she's doing another event but obviously Sue's instrumental to the the bring your own device for learning and she's given a really good introduction an explanation about how it sort of came about with Chrissy and if you're not familiar with bring your own devices for learning that's a really good intro and Susie Faulkner also can't be here today because I think she's examining students or something today so she was gutted she couldn't join us but you can see Susie's intro on there as well and we also have a flip grid mix tape which has intos from everybody so you can have a look but I really love to have some intros from the participants Theresa do you think we could go around the room and find out who we've got with us yeah absolutely I think I'm just going to share the flip grid mix tape link in the chat as well but you're right about Sue's intro which is a little bit longer so I thought we'd just leave that on the padlet so that people can visit it as and when and you can dip in and out of the resources that we're going to put in front of you today and maintain the conversation beyond the session today we only have an hour together today um so yeah let's uh let's just have a quick pass the mic around so if you're happy to speak to us we'll start with Jim because I don't think he's that shy so Jim can you pop your mic on and tell us why you're here what brought you here today hi everybody I'm Jim and you're right Theresa I'm not that shy unfortunately for you all but I wanted to learn more about BYOD I didn't know if it was like bring your own drugs or bring your own device like I was intrigued hi everybody I can I can confirm that these people are not enhanced in any way by any medication or any any other external devices as far as I'm away thank you that's great to have you here with us Claire would you like to introduce yourself I can see you in here if you just unmute your mic say hi or pop something into the text chat if you'd prefer I know it well yes no worries Claire thanks Leo good to see you here would you like to say hello hello um hi everyone yeah I um I actually I I've known of um bring your own device for learning and often seen the hashtag kind of flying past on Twitter but I didn't know much about the story behind it and the the ongoing it's ongoing life so I was just curious to come and check it out really and I think it's um you know a really great example though of of kind of open open practices that are not necessarily resources but more kind of about community great thank you and thank you for your curiosity which is another sea we'll add to our list um Paul would you like to say hi feel free to just put something in the chat if you'd rather oh I can hear Paul in the distance yeah so I'm Paul bad I'm from Binghamton New York um I'm here because the conference last week was so much fun that I just had to come back for more excellent one of the best reasons for coming thank you we really need that energy that you drew from the conference uh to continue with our conversation thank you um I can see now you'll have to forgive me if I'm not pronouncing this correctly ti rumani or ti rumani pop something in the chat if you'd prefer not to be on mic that's fine yes hi if you'd like to you can unmute your mic at the bottom of the screen uh and tell us a bit about what brought you here today oh no mic okay that's fine just pop something in the chat for us so that we know um what motivated you to come and we can hopefully connect with you as best we can yes we have plenty of OER buzz here an OER stroke OER OEP buzz that we're drawing on thank you right so my last call anybody else in the room who'd like to say hi switch on your mic and introduce yourself and tell us why you're here hello I've already said hi but I'll say hi again I'm Sonja McCresty from University of Sunderland and I'm just here because I enjoyed the conference last week got a lot out of it and I was curious about the variation on the bring your own device terminology ah great okay so that's somebody who's done some done some background reading as well Sonja thank you for that excellent you get brownie points for that and everybody who comes today as you've perhaps seen we will be able to issue you with an open badge for participating because what we're doing is breaking open the BYOD for L Circle to let more in we want more of you in to know more about what this community does and how perhaps it could be of use to you in the future great so if everybody's happy they've introduced themselves and you know where the text chat is so please continue that conversation and you're not an energy vampire at all you can we're all drawing energy from each other what we're going to do now is just to introduce you a little bit to the five C's um what's the word I'm looking for framework framework framework that word just disappeared sorry the five C's framework that BYOD is built around and tell you a little bit about each of those five C's so we're going to spend a little bit of time in each of those C's so let me just share another link with I don't know if anybody else's sound is dipping yeah um I just heard Theresa just stop but I think we're back I think that's because I muted there we go these people once they retire you know they just lose all professionalism sorry guys so I just put a link in the chat to the BYOD for learning that wordpress blog BYOD for learning took place the interactions the event itself took place in a space called google plus remember that which has since gone and been and gone but we did capture um what was going on over the years through that wordpress blog and of course through social media that um hashtag as Leah mentioned earlier was really crucial so the five C's originally that we were looking at these themes were um connecting communicating curating collaborating creating and then we've kind of expanded on those I say we and I'm saying we with absolutely no responsibility whatsoever because it was very much the other guys who you're looking at who were involved in this I only became a facilitator very much later in the day I was I joined into a few BYOD4L events um at the beginning so they became expanded so connecting added confidence communicating added capability and this was digital communication curating and added copyright collaborating added community and creating added celebrating so if you're looking at that link you'll find that full link of topics towards the bottom of the website there on the left and what we've done is put them into the padlet board that I've already shared with you and I'll share the link again just in case we missed anybody and don't worry Debs we're we're all used to our everyday life taking place in the background that's all good um and actually I only learned today when I listened to Sue's post that the conference that we have SOC med social media conference that we have that's run for a few years now was actually born of BYOD4L as well so there's a lot of cross fertilisation and tweet chats as well that was born out of this bringing together of a community so Sheila yes I'm going to hand straight over to Sheila Sheila please give us a sort of an overview maybe of those um chapters if you uh those themes if you would thanks Teresa and apologies everyone I am going to have to leave in about five minutes because I yeah I had a bit of a diary fail this morning but yeah the 5c model the connect communicate curate collaborate and curate um they actually gave us a really nice framework so the way that bring your own device for learning ran was it was over a week and it was usually in January so it was one of those times in the UK that it was quite useful for staff development because it was just usually after exams had finished and there was a bit of a break and so it's quite good for a lot of us who are at that point involved in staff development and it was a really good way to get some institutional interest in technology and devices and social media so when Alex and Neil and I took over the facilitation we decided we would extend the models a bit because there were other Cs that were coming into play as well so in terms of connecting one of the great things that we've talked about there was the power of connection for this week that extended way beyond that week and getting people to use social media particularly twitter maybe things like google plus when it was around it took a bit of confidence to do that and it actually allowed people to do things and connect in a relatively space way so we found that it really helped build people's confidence in terms of communication there were lots of different ways of people were communicating both internally in their own institutions and externally with other places as well and actually that was I suppose going back to that community and networking thing that was a power of bring your own device for learning and I suppose any open educational practice it was just nice to connect with other people outside your own institution but to do that you had to have quite a few digital capabilities so it was a really nice way to again build up people's digital capability and confidence in terms of curation I mean curating resources and open educational resources really important so we had spent a day talking about that but also we were able to extend that to talk about copyright and open licenses as well and then collaborate which I think you can you can see from what and hear from what we've all been saying collaboration was at the heart of it and the community is part of that as well and then we always wanted people to create something at the end of the week whatever that was and share that with the community and also we also felt that bring your own advice for learning it was a bit of a celebration and we did tweet chats every night for five nights so I certainly know and that's maybe wasn't drugs and Jim but there's certainly well a few wee whiskies had at the end of the Friday night after the end of the last tweet chat as well and yes I think we did break quite a few times there was so much activity going on but we've extended the model a bit and there's been a bit of a hiatus and bring your own device for learning so one of the things we wanted to use this session for was to get your ideas about these areas what are the challenges you've faced in these five years over the past year when everything has changed and we've all had to take our devices to learning what we've been going to learning in different places in different spaces so we really wanted to open up the conversation and see if anyone else maybe wanted to run it again or run it in your own country I mean it's all openly licensed and the resources are there so it's really just a chance to get people to think about some of the challenges around the five seas and maybe add some more seas to it as well so I think we open up the Padlet Board we can maybe start and if you're on the Padlet Board do add things but if anyone wants to add some ask some questions or find out because I know quite a few of you out here that maybe don't really know anything about how it ran we'll be more than happy to answer questions but really anything about the model or anything you want to share or even your experiences over the past year in the pandemic in terms of how you've connected and collaborated with your students and your colleagues would be really useful to hear from just now so I'll just switch off my mate Disney and let people have a chance to speak. Thanks Sheila that's lovely and we do want to encourage you to interact through the Padlet Board and get your ideas and thoughts down there maybe we could come to the first of our seas the first theme we'll have a few minutes thinking in a more focused way around the first which is all around connecting so speak up Mac Nicta oh just before I go actually one of the um one of the ways that we used um connecting was indifferent so what I used to do when I worked in an institution still we used to have lunchtime kind of drop-in sessions for finger and device for learning so we were connecting internally and actually that was a really nice informal way when we were all remember when back in the day when we're all on campus it was a really nice way to get people to meet quite informally and then encourage people to communicate and connect with the wider bring-your-own-device for learning community later that evening or during the day so we used kind of different I suppose maybe scaffolded scaffolded the connecting a little bit as well. Yeah can I just come in on that just pick up on that that was something definitely that I did at Sheffield Hallam probably not until the second iteration of it I think I was involved for about three iterations um actually one of the great things about bring-your-own-devices for learning was its online space and everything that Twitter and connectivity means in that space and we discovered a lot in that mode but it became obvious to me that we could bring groups of people together if you like in the material world and so for me uh from that um we found ourselves having a local huddle in Sheffield and responding to the challenges in the BYOD for our um program or series of challenges and and responding there and making things together so that notion of collaboration was almost creating responses to some of the online challenges and then posting those creations back online to see the evening discussion and through the tweet chat and so there was for me and in what we were trying to do in Sheffield there was a real interaction between the the digital space and the physical space and and really messing around with identities messing around with context messing around with time as well because I think one of the things that we got out of it there was um I think uh I'm trying to think probably um Catherine Cronin uh no Claudio Miguel has talked about um multicronicity or multiple contexts and so I think we played with time we played with space we challenged the uh binary of uh of synchronous and asynchronous because in tweet chats things happen at a pace and they feel synchronous that you're revisiting discussions or lingering in the tweet chat chat stream and so a lot of this was really about disrupting uh simple ideas about learning space and I personally I took an awful lot out of that and I've written a lot about it subsequently so the impact um on a number of people but I would say me was considerable in terms of rethinking what space and place can be in terms of a learning environment so just picking up on that idea that Sheila shared and I'm just adding to the Padlet Board now the word context which I'll develop in Padlet but I think that's become a very important see and the idea of poly contextuality that I'll explain that in Padlet so I'll hand that back to someone else now That's brilliant Andrew thank you and this re-contextualization because actually the whole of the BYOD4L um work which is all out there openly up on the blog is creative commons licensed so this process of inviting people to connect and to create and collaborate together and repost to their own blogs um and have Twitter chats or engage um in other ways is is something that can easily be recontextualized maybe use different tools that fit your own setup so thank you that's that's great to have that uh focus as well on the process Andrew which is so important so at the second on our list I'm working through these fairly quickly to give us time because the Padlet posts are coming in thinking fast which is great um is around communication and I've added a post from when I was participating in BYOD back in 2017 um on communication because I'm very much involved in virtual exchange which is all about online open um interaction and actually arose out of um language teaching and training um and it made me look back at that post and see how much things have changed and in fact Education Burrito published a podcast all about virtual exchange just today which was very timely and I'll share a link to that up on the chat so communication anybody like to wade in and tell us a little bit Alex go ahead hi there yeah communication um is one of the one of the other seas um and it's one of those things I'm kind of really passionate about um and it's absolutely crucial in your role as an academic developer as a learner technologist within an organization and for me it's a little bit similar to what Andrew and Sheila were saying was it was using the the framing of bringing your own devices and the expertise that was out there in the open kind of world and bringing that in to kind of like stand side by side with you in an organization to help you get through the sometimes siloed areas uh that you kind of need to get into um so one of the things that kind of like came out of this for me was um building up communities of people that were interested in social media um and this was something I was instrumental in doing at the University of Liverpool and it was all a springboard form bring your own devices and basically what it allowed you to do is to say well here is something that's happening um it's happening online we've got well respected educators from all across the country uh contributing to it you can dip in and out and and you can double it up by having events and get-togethers throughout kind of like in your in your own space and face to face in in your environments and what that basically did was it brought lots of people to you um from across a very large organization that you wouldn't necessarily necessarily normally see um and so for me that that was kind of like an incredible kind of like way to leverage the power of this open community uh and make sure that they are part of my team if you like you know like a virtual team um so I'm just going to pass the baton on I'm not sure who's I think we should have got a baton somewhere we should each have had a baton yeah we could actually grab because we've got an apple in to do that too I've got a mug the mug so when you chip it over this way it turns into a mug we could have had an open digital baton or something I'm I'm just going to say I was um I was kind of struck by um the the kind of development of digital skills by stealth really so when I first um started with um bringing on device for learning that was in 2015 and I'd seen it happen in 2014 but I hadn't and I well I say I didn't have the time to do it I don't think that was really true I think I didn't have the confidence to get involved with it um and um in 2015 I did and I remember my first kind of you know my first tweet that I sent you know and and I remember I said something like um oh fluttering around like a social butterfly and you know I I kind of I was really dipping in and out of all the spaces to kind of find out what was going on and and it really really helped with um with just being in that environment and it's a very welcoming environment and people were very very generous with their advice and suggestions and offers of help and what have you and then as time's gone on I've kind of um you know I've been involved in it every year but I've got more and more involved with it you know so I've been a participant I've been a moderator a facilitator and then I've helped to run the community edition of it and all of these kind of things you're learning all of this stuff but doesn't actually feel like you're learning it because you're just kind of getting on and and finding out you know and it's a it's a really really fun way to to it feels like a safe space it feels like you're not being judged you know and I think the more that we can extend that to other people um you know and you know whether that's other learners or other other faculty you know I think it's a really good thing so um and it was only the the act of pulling this together um that I've kind of gone back and and realized the things that I was doing you know it's a really good idea to go back and have a look at stuff and it's a shame that the um the google spaces has kind of dropped off but I think that you know if people were taking part a lot of people kind of blogged about it you know and I did a search on my blog and I it popped up with all of these posts that I'd kind of forgotten that I'd actually done so which will be very very good when I'm compiling evidence for certain things so but yeah I think it's um you know it's really really um yeah it's amazing a bit moji Alex exactly you know all these kind of things just kind of sort of crawl along and you don't realize but you're really you're kind of immersing yourself in that kind of environment well thanks Alex yeah thanks thanks Deb that's it's so important yeah there were lots of different apps used and lots of different devices and spaces used and it's kind of an experimentation but what we have to bear in mind obviously is who's missing from the conversations who does and doesn't have access so going back to Andrew's point about contextualization it's really important that we put that in mind and we offer choices for ways of people to connect and communicate so we look to connect we look to communicate we must look at curation and then we've also got people in the room so do you know who have lots of experience in each of these themes so do feel free to pick up the mic and tell us your thoughts on curation um curation was the area I think that I said I would talk about and I have put on the padlet the link to a blog post I did some time ago that the the wonder for me was that curation when it moved from being a personal thing to being a social thing just blew the lid off curation it helped to build my network it helped me connect and find people with similar ideas so curation is often I think under um realized as a contributor to network just using things personally I use um pearl trees but using any of the many different ways you can to curate and sometimes just using your own blog on it with a post on a theme with lots of links um can help make your understanding of the online world clearer to other people and can we can all build on that so curation I think sometimes is underrated and it's a lovely easy way of getting involved that isn't quite as scary as jumping into a live room um so curating or getting your students to curate perhaps using wikipedia to curate knowledge lots and lots of ways so if you have ways and tips on curation please add them to the padlet board and grab the mic if you want to tell us there's loads of loads of um padlet comments I'm just trying to kind of kind of look at them all oh great Marin's got a got a question yeah the question for Teresa I wonder um what is your thought on kind of making curation really accessible for people at different skill levels um because I think you know I often find that that people can be quite intimidated even if you just share a tool even if you make it sound really helpful and I wonder if you've come across that and um what your experience of the difference of skill levels in this community have been sort of digital literacy and critical digital literacy I think one of the things that comes into it is is sort of how comfortable you feel in a space isn't it so many of us were perhaps using dgo or you know bookmarking we certainly sort of started off with bookmarking things and keeping those on our own computers but the moment you then jump into something that's more social you find ways through networks but as Alex has put in the chat their hashtags and aggregation are really powerful ways of drawing things together and if you curate something and then blog about that collection um one of the things you find very quickly is that people grasp that idea if that's an idea they're interested in and build on um so one of the things I do because obviously I'm a linguist is is curate things that aren't just in English as well because often we we do tend to go to our sort of first language community so yeah curation for me has been really helpful Sonya do tell us tell us a bit more here you said I've missed those collaborative bookmarking tools yeah I must admit there are some that that have faded out of my practice now and others that I favor more and I think that's perhaps just a human thing that we feel more comfortable in certain spaces so we sort of migrate to those um yes net vibes I've still got a net vibes account I haven't been there a while I'm just going to check the padlet and see what else is popping up I think that that's the other thing just to say on this Teresa is that um what's what's interesting is how curation has shifted I think a little um certainly in my practice you know because but you're saying that you've got click it and net vibes and you're kind of like collecting and curating information for yourself um and one of the things I really liked about net vibes is you could share it with other people and allow them to kind of like contribute to it and what I've noticed is that the curation that I'm doing these days is less is less open actually which is which is not right necessarily for a session like this I think the curation that I do that is open is the the content that I share openly on Twitter and occasionally when I'm blogging but um I'm using Twitter to um curate information that interests me and then you know I'll evaluate it and then kind of like consider kind of the share net so it's done in a slightly different way you know but that that practice is still there yeah I think what we're getting Alex is that bugbear of monetization where a lot of platforms and things are closing or they're limiting access because they need to monetize for whatever reason and personally as a practitioner there are some things I will pay for yeah Diego is still there but I've not been in Diego for a long long time most of these platforms are still there but as they start to monetize people will make decisions as to whether they're suitable for them or not I think and yeah there are others out there so please do share you know which curation spaces are you still finding useful and yeah I'm I'm afraid I do um bang the gong every now and again for open and for not monetizing or finding better models for monetization that don't penalize practitioners all the time I've been in teaching for 35 years and a good proportion of my teaching income has always gone on providing or paying for access to things for students and that's not sustainable so we have to find better ways of providing services that don't always come at a cost yeah hypothesis for curating comments I know that's not popular for everybody and certainly yeah Wikimedia Wikipedia and Wikimedia have education spaces so I'm aware we've got a couple more um Cs to get through and so many more Cs that we're going to add I'm sure although yeah there's some dodgy Cs going on in the chat um so let's have a look at collaboration and um how we collaborate in these distant spaces Happy to chip in here Theresa colleagues um yeah I think um as Sheila mentioned at beginning collaboration turned into collaborating and community I think a strength of of the open course is very much that community and going back to Andrew's blog and um Andrew's video um although bringing on device for learning implies devices it's very much about people and I think when we first started um on BYOD people getting used to things like google hangouts so so device is really really important but actually the community the people are how it makes it and what you learn from so absolutely you froze that can I just pick up that in there as well absolutely it feels like and I don't know if anyone would agree with this I'd be quite interested to hear that the past year has been the year of collaboration I've seen an amazing amount of resources being shared just as we all went online and the the name of the person escapes me but uh George I think it was George Siemens that pulled a google doc together um about some of the key open resources to help educators across the world shift their resources online and respond to this kind of COVID emergency at that point and and I think even tools like this um and zoom and teams I would argue actually have collaboration um in the heart of it um it's always sometimes a bit clunky not always kind of like you know the best way to do it but certainly what I've experienced has been a greater use of online tools to work together to share ideas to build up presentations write documents and and that is kind of like tipped over to become more normal practice and that's one of the things that I really hope when when this all ends that we continue to do more of that because it seems like a much more effective way of working together and using technology as a positive tool thanks Leo for agreeing me thanks Alex and Neil for that I'm sorry I lost my intimate in the middle but I've caught most of it and I see the padlets continue to build and thanks everybody for adding their C's there's a great collection there of C's and it's good to see the care is there too communication is never straightforward collaboration and certainly anything that leads to co-creation is never that straightforward so lots and lots of learning has gone on I think through the entire COVID disaster to learn about how we can best collaborate and presence is so important in that so knowing how to be present online is an important sort of subskill before you can actually collaborate and connect so anybody like to add anything more to collaboration theme I suppose really for me it's it's events like this that that help to widen the collaboration as well you know and it's great to have people sort of coming in who maybe haven't been involved in in ringroom devices for learning before and and who are kind of curious to learn so I suppose one of the questions that's going through my mind now is how we're going to keep the momentum going with all of this and maybe you know how we kind of whether we want to consider doing another community event or something and how we can build in some of these extra C's into the framework and I guess Theresa you're going to circulate your Google doc aren't you to to get people's details in relation to the open digital badge that that we will be giving for open educational practice and I suppose we can kind of use that as a catch so that to see if you're interested yeah does that make sense just conscious that we might run out of time looks like the everybody got muted again but I think Leo's got his hand up shall I shall I test if I can speak can you hear me yes we can hi Leo oh good um at least at least somebody can um I just picking up on Deb saying that there's not much time and thinking towards the the future of whether it's worth trying to reinvigorate this kind of activity I absolutely think it it is worth it I think it's a it's a great idea I've written I've written some comments actually on the on the padlet I realized that maybe what I was really writing after after I put it in connect I put it into any more C's but it was sort of the challenge as I see it is this question of like how how do I convince people that it's worth engaging with this and um and I guess that's that's the thing that I um that I wonder about because I see the value and I know lots of people like us all think that this is great but I think there's a lot of people that we we you know how do we reach them that's a great point and and Leo I think it ties in really nicely I think we'd plan this with the idea that we had where we really want to make sure that people gain recognition for participating in things such as this which aren't institutionally based aren't disciplinary based so they don't fit into that current sort of structure for recognizing and rewarding participation Andrew go ahead I've just put the link in the chat to the badge claim because all of you've been working so hard while we've been talking and going offline and all sorts adding to the padlet please pop your email details into that form so that you can claim your badge from the open ed special interest group at all to would like to give you recognition for your contribution yeah can I just come in and so you've pointed to the the badges there Theresa um so yeah absolutely and and they were very important back in 2014 too um and in a way maybe those extrinsic drivers sort of actors signposts almost but I actually would argue and I think we found this and Deb told us about this earlier that we created a really friendly supportive experience and that was so extreme um that I think that we really inspired confidence in how we communicated the opportunity that BYOD for L offered over a week I know I was able to have all sorts of conversations with people at my university at the time and really talk about an opportunity to try things together um and to ask really interesting questions that idea of co-creation really came out in so many of the conversations I was having with staff at my own institution about you won't fail it's a space in which you can discover some of these new weird technologies that you're vaguely aware of and come out the other end having an opinion an informed opinion about them so I think the important message Leo in terms of trying to engage people is around the idea of a co-constructive space a welcoming space and I think for people in our sort of facilitation roles um that's our challenge to make sure that it is a welcoming space that you know inspires confidence and uh and everything you know I have to say Chrissy and Sue really got us on off to a very good start in terms of setting the tone of the whole environment so make it welcoming is my thought Alex you've got your hand up oh yeah I do yeah I just I echo exactly what you've just said but I'm also kind of like uh thinking that yeah we as a community behind bringing your own devices for learning have benefited greatly from uh being part of that community and the work that we've brought into our institutions and the research that we've done on the back of it as well and it feels like to me that that we should be kind of like at a stage where we should be passing this pattern on and allowing others within the community to take on and experience some of those opportunities that we've had time to kind of like get the benefit of and and maybe that is uh a mentoring approach um by bringing kind of like a new team maybe a young team uh in to kind of take over and and run with it for the next run out and not that I'm being ageist in any way uh I just like saying young team because it reminds me of Glasgow um but but and kind of basically taking that over and allowing them to kind of like build up and use it and and using that platform to take it into your organization so so yeah uh Leo um you're just down the road for me now um physically or maybe just virtually um we can certainly get together if that's something uh that you're interested in doing and and let's kind of like push things forward like get get it going absolutely is this thanks to Chrissie and um Sue there's no shortage of literature behind all of this as well so there's plenty that you can read and also there are abstracts in our own um session notes please that we would encourage you to look at I was listening to all the videos recordings that we all made as a group prior to today's session and there were clear themes coming out um very strongly um that actually the strength of BYOD4L wasn't in fact the technologies and learning to use the technologies it was that our focus was on people and humanity um a community that was supportive and helped experimentation that encouraged collaboration it's all about the people and it's I think a great testament to Chrissie and Sue's sort of work here that actually sort of where are we six seven years on we are still every bit as engaged in connecting and many of us have collaborated in different ways in different in different situations as a result of the relationships that have been built I also think it's worth saying it's one thing that hasn't been said yet is that actually the the event style if you like of BYOD4L had spaced learning built in so you although there were five um seas and five days you didn't have to do day two's sea on day two if you didn't feel ready for it you could jump into a different one or you could move around and and the community stayed around beyond the five days as well um so there's lots there to dip in and out of exactly there and to learn at your own time and at your own pace so things you can still point colleagues to today that they can try out so it is we do just have one minute left Marin so I'm just trying to sum up so I'm going to switch my mic off in case anybody has something else to add and I want to say thank you to this fabulous team of BYOD4Lers who are very very much the best people you could ever hope to meet who will support you in your open practice and in your explore explorations oh thank you very much Teresa and thank you everybody I hope that we can all find our clap emojis one more time to give a warm round of applause for a fantastic session to everybody here in the room oh I can see that all coming in as well fantastic thank you so much everybody that's been a really exciting session and really inspiring as well