 hi it's monday night george are you there somewhere i'm here all right having a little bit of video trouble tonight and george is in boulder so if he needs to pipe in i'll just mouth the words for him anyway our guest tonight is dan necktrab or whatever however his name is pronounced we're gonna figure that out that's the big mystery tonight uh also we've got a little bit on some tech update stuff and we're gonna talk about isolation like in this this booth here why you need isolation even if you're in a closet or wherever it is you are we'll talk about that but dan necktrab's day uh uh does promo and trailer and all that other stuff narration narration we're gonna talk all about that so stay tuned we're coming right up here on voiceover two men twin sons from different mothers with a passion for voiceover recording technology and the desire to make recording easy for voice actors everywhere together in one place george widham the home studio engineer to the stars a virginia tech grad 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secret multimedia studio in sherman oaks california here are george widham and dan lennard hi there i'm dan lennard and i'm george widham and this is voiceover body shop or vio yes you know if you're coming into the super secret clubhouse here you're gonna have to come through the jungle of tomatoes you know that was shot when there was just little tiny things of tomatoes there now it's like taking over the backyard so if you need some tomatoes we're gonna have quite a few of them anyway george you are in boulder are you george sorry about that a phone call came in right when you were trying to talk fabulous i'm using my phone to join you on the show tonight oh well okay well on my phone yes well we're apparently when somebody calls it overrides the call so sorry about that well turn that off anyway uh so you're in boulder i'm here in buff in buffalo cripes i've been in the buffalo for three weeks three years this is this is fascinating anyway our guest tonight is dan necktrab at least i think that's how you pronounce it and we're gonna talk about promo and narration and trailers and all the cool stuff that he does and uh we're also going to talk about a pile of other things if we can hear each other anyway right now it's time for voice over for the shop presents the vobs voice over extra news all the information you need for a successful voice over career and it's no time for the voice over extra news for may 14th 2018 vo vulnerabilities you know voice over is a tough business it's competitive frustrating sometimes disheartening and often lonely to pile it on you're also vulnerable in four very big ways observes our great friend dan hurst who is a seasoned vo pro who has learned how to overcome those vulnerabilities and in an article now at voiceover extra dot com dan shares what he's learned which is quite a bit a successful career takes some talent and a few breaks he tells us but overcoming your vulnerabilities will insulate and strengthen you in your drive to succeed so what are those challenges well number one is relationships dan notes that it's hard to establish ourselves as part of a client's team the very nature of our business makes us a simple disembodied voice for most of our clients it's not personal when they decide to change the voice actor is expendable what to do dan advises is to start building relationships with existing clients if you do it right you'll have them on your side even to the point of becoming your advocate in finding new clients number two is marketing dan says that too many of us confuse sales with marketing and they're quite different sales is a sales call an email snail mail phone call or whatever sense cold and the closing rate is low so the answer is marketing which is what you do to get the sale now this involves research discovery timing and connection for instance is the prospect really right for you do you really know what the client needs and are you truly the best answer for those that clients needs now according to mr. Hearst marketing is the art of finding clients that need your voice and there's no way you can discover that until you've done your homework vulnerability number three involves voiceover genres we try to be all things to all people dan observed so stop it if you're going to carve out a niche for yourself focus on what you do well and perfect that be the best at what you do because the best clients hired the best talents and vulnerability number four is productivity how do you handle business how do you use your equipment and how and when do you improve your craft overall dan says success in vo takes heart determination passion and knowledge go for it in the article dan offers many more suggestions on how to succeed and you'll find it all now plus much much more at voiceover extra.com your daily resource for voice over success definitely some very important words there from our good friend Dan Hearst who's probably one of the smartest guys I know in voice over you've met Dan a bunch of times haven't you George I know I've met him once he's definitely connected to me in the world social media yeah he's he's got he's got it down but those are all great tips there for a guy making sure that you are successful in your voice over career all right well we're going to talk about we've got it we've got a question from our from our voluminous audience and we've got some stuff about isolation so we'll talk about that coming right up on voiceover body shop Dan Nacktrab will be with us shortly so don't go away. 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time you can get your voiceover website going for as little as $700 so if you watch your voice actor website without the hassle of complexity and dealing with too many options go to voiceactorwebsites.com where your VO website shouldn't be a pain in the you know what and we're back here on voiceover body shop you know it's all about audio that's why we're doing a tv show it makes total sense to me uh but as someone once said who's going to want to watch a tv show about home voiceover studios well seven years later here we still are uh and if you need help with your home voiceover studio because trust me i understand if you've not done it before it's not easy if you don't understand the basics of what goes into a voiceover studio what you're even supposed to do with the software how do you start well you could go online and say how do i start and you'll get all sorts of answers from people who are experts in one studio their own so why don't you work with some guys like us that can help you get started with your home voiceover studio or if you have a problem and if you have a problem you can go to me or you can go to george so if you will start off by saying george if they want to talk to you how do they do that well you can book time with me or get some of my audio stacks or anything else at georgethetech.com or if you like short domains and you're a geek like me georgethe.tech how about Dan where do you find you well you'll find me over here you'll find me at homevoiceoverstudio.com that's the best place to find me and you can drop off some audio like i said i'm going to start charging for my audio samples pretty soon if you're going to go into the uh the specimen collection cup i think it's going to be like 25 bucks but get yours under the wire get it in now now get it in now before june 1st anyway well we got a question tonight so why don't i read that question and we will answer that question then we'll talk a little bit about isolation uh from nick detorey he says using it he's using an at shotgun mic with the scarlet 2i2 audacity for the daw and for it's he's doing it for an audiobook project here's the question the at 875r the at shotgun mic that's all he says he did not specify which particular at shotgun mic that is but sort of like saying i'm using a hammer to hammer nails that's right yeah which hammer what you can do with some microphones but anyway uh here's the question would you prefer to use the roll off on the mic 90 hertz i think or a noise gate or both to mitigate flight path noise well there's a real easy answer to that one um if you're doing an audio book guess what you're not doing it live you know you might think people might be watching your audiobook live and listening to you narrate it you're not that's why we have editing so if you're in a flight path you got a couple of questions but it raises a couple of questions which is one of the questions we'll talk about tonight which is about isolation if you are hearing airplanes you have not isolated yourself very well nor have you located where you're living very well if you're trying to do voiceover so a noise gate is not going to help when a when something is flying over your house uh because it's going to overwhelm you and generally it's going to come within the range of your voice george what do you think exactly well good that's what i like to hear so uh yeah i mean there's a lot of different possibilities i mean you could use a noise gate but it's not going to help because that's going to throw everything off and if you don't know how to set it it's a real pain and now he's talking about using the uh the bass roll off the high pass filter on the mic so obviously it's an at shotgun mic with a with a roll off uh pad on it does that help in the description at all i don't know i mean if it's an at for the 73a it does actually have a switch to roll off low end but as a rule if it has a switch to low roll off low end or low cut turn it on it almost always helps um but that's not going to solve the whole problem just like dan said if the noise is that severe if it's say aircraft passing within quarter or to a half a mile of your house it's not going to matter the sound is so pervasive so loud such a wide band noise it's just going to be heard and if you live where i used to live which was near lax airport that noise is every two minutes so it would dramatically slow down your productivity recording an audiobook um so i hate to say it but it's either time to move or time to build um isolation um and if you're doing audiobooks chances are you may not be making the money to do either um but you know that's an assumption um but you know it's a challenging situation no matter how you slice it yeah so uh yeah i i would always think that you know you live where you choose to live and if you choose to live where you can't do what you want to do i suggest you move somewhere else uh never rely on technology to solve these problems you want to you want to you want to be as isolated as possible which gets us into this discussion about isolation and what does it take to create good isolation for your home voiceover studio um if you usually when somebody you know it contacts me and i'm sure you probably tell them the same thing i say say do you have a closet uh i still know a lot of people making a lot of money next to their hanging pants and dresses and shirts and underwear and socks and shoes and stuff uh because it's the best place to record it actually in many cases better than some of these booths like this one here i'm not we're still not sure whose booth that is but if you recognize the one with derth vader in the corner here uh you know that will that will help if you send us a picture of your booth put your name in it yeah that would that would be a big help just uh just yeah that one was emailed to us so i'm not exactly sure but uh it's important to uh to understand that isolation is number one now we always talk about what are the three main things you've got to deal with with a home studio number one is proper acoustics and part of that is isolation you've got to be able to prevent noise from the outside from coming in and there are lots of ways to do it one of them is with a both uh and that's expensive and when you're starting off you don't invest in something well no that's george but uh uh also expensive also very expensive no um but uh the the thing is is that if you don't want to spend that kind of money when you're just starting out unless you are an established talent and you're making a lot of money and you could afford to make that investment and that's not a judgment call that's that's a pretty simple thing to say because they're not cheap now you could build one it's it's who's maybe your uncle is michael bloomberg maybe you know we're all sorts of people if your uncle is michael bloomberg please give me a call yeah well chances are you might be in broadcasting already so you may have have the budget to do that um so you've got to keep sound from the outside out george what's the best way to create an isolated environment in your opinion it requires a couple main things one is airtight seals and all doors windows and everything every scene everything has to be airtight to you need to have mass air mass so you get that a layer of heavy mass an air space and then mass so the outer outer area has to be heavy the inner interior has to be heavy and the space between has to there needs to be a space in between those two layers for the sound to um basically dissipate and that gap is usually filled with loosely loosely packed insulation to help suck up some of that sound that gets through those are two of the main things and the third thing is decoupling so the structure that you create if you're building something that has these properties that entire thing has to be decoupled from everything else what does that mean it has to be sitting on little rubber pads or hockey pucks or something and then has to be not touching the ceiling or the walls of the of the room in which you're building it that that decoupling will help you reduce the low frequency noise that gets in there from rumble from jet aircraft or motorcycles or trash trucks that kind of stuff so those are the three tenants of soundproofing and the rest is all the details yep and you and and those details there's lots of different ways to do it that's why you know if you live say the northeast or not here in southern california and you have a basement usually that will give you two sides that are very strong that are not letting any sound in then you just have to worry about sound coming in from you know people walking in the kitchen with their earth shoes and uh and various other noises that come from the house but it prevents a lot of outdoor noise and that's really important you know leaf blowers and those sorts of things so isolation is prime the best closet to have is an interior closet one where you don't have an exterior wall on that closet so if they it's like a coat closet in the middle of the house or something like that that's a good place to do it and it has to be big enough of course for you to to move around it but you can't do it out in a big open room unless it's a really quiet neighborhood if it's something facing your backyard that sort of thing so I think it's important for people to really consider these things instead of how do I get rid of this noise get rid of the noise physically that's going to save you a lot of work and time on the back end trying to fix it in post doing live you know and doing voice tracks at home remember you're recording this everybody thinks well I can just fix it in post do it right the first time and do what it takes to get a good isolated home studio in the first place it doesn't have to be expensive except for uh for nicka deatory who apparently has to move across town away from the flight path so that would help a whole lot anyway dan necktrab supposedly is standing by to talk with us here on voiceover body shop and uh we'll get to him right after this break are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio no wonder the information out there is mostly mythology this is the best microphone to use you have to have a preamp you need a soundproof booth this software is the best your audio must be broadcast quality consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over 30 years someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios he knows how to teach and cares about your success in one of the harshest environments known to voice over your home dan lennard the home studio master separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio contact the home studio master at home voiceover studio dot com drop off a specimen of your dry audio for a free analysis voiceover body shop learn the latest in voice over technology learn how to get rid of that voice over body shop nineties turn six specific on v obs dot us there let's introduce our guest dan knacktrab knocktrab whatever is a premier talent the industry has repeatedly chosen to use for 20 years dan's voice has a slight gravelly sound to it bringing a warm intelligence to each read he's first and foremost a storyteller a narrator with believability and honesty that draws in and engages listeners and viewers alike plus he has the versatility of a trailer voice with an aggressive sound to cut through the clutter and intimate read only for your closest friend would use for to share a secret his clients include fox nbc cbs national geographic espn monday night football animal planet discovery family history channel and the weather channely redwood weather channel literally just to name a few let's take a look and listen to his stuff tonight everything's building to one explosive event jimmy fowlett justin timberlake dwayne johnson and the cast of this is us you won't want to miss it the tonight show starting jimmy fowlett live from the super bowl tonight on nbc national geographic and katie kurrick are talking gender identity your dna is playing a role here and exploring the science and biology there are areas in the brain that correlate with gender identity gender revolution a journey with katie kurrick premieres monday february sixth at nine on national geographic during moments of excitement and stress the heart of an athlete can pump up to 10 gallons of blood per minute making it the hardest working muscle in the human body but it only takes a single moment to break Wednesday night rivalry ruins rangers on nbc sn river monsters mysteries of the ocean a special season new night thursday april seventh on animal planet fishermen don't wake up thinking about yesterday's failures they wake up smelling today's possibilities last season is history it's a new day and everyone's looking for the first catch a new season of wicked tuna lands monday february first at nine on the national geographic channel wow man those are some of my favorite shows let's welcome to our show joining us from where are you dan portland oregon portland oregon all right well that would explain a whole lot it's great to see how you do it it's great to see you too all righty well those are all my favorite shows there's no question about it i mean i river monsters one of those strange shows that it's why am i drawn into this the guy is picking out catfish from a hole i don't quite understand that but where are you from originally i grew up in ohio born in Toledo and then moved around a lot when i was young my dad kept getting promoted in insurance and uh from seventh grade to i was about 20 uh lived in Cincinnati and then moved up to Dayton ohio to do radio at wt uefm there yeah spent about 20 years there and then moved to portland in 2010 yeah gorgeous city it's like it's like a high-class pittsburgh it's the best way to describe it great up in Cincinnati i don't know just a little bit but it's great coming into the airport because it's like coming into a spa oh i love the airport yeah that's like the nicest airport in america is the one in portland seven years in a row yeah now i always find it fascinating to meet guys whose voices i hear every day yeah i mean it's like whose voice is that whose voice well now i know whose voice it is do you find many people recognizing your voice in non-voicing environments no absolutely not period and that's one of the great things about it i mean it's why you like radio and it's why you like voiceover is that you you just get to do your craft and nobody gets to see who you are it's one of the benefits of it so yeah what what's your favorite show to promo oh uh right now uh wick and tuna is fun um we're doing a lot of genius uh picasso on national geographic um and then um doing a lot of stuff for mbc sports they're always kind of throwing weird stuff at me right now i'm doing this weird storyteller type folksy voice for the uh uh uh roland garros series going on right now for tennis so i'm trying to remember the name of it but uh yeah it's it's usually on the script from what i understand yeah i've heard that before all right yeah national geographic keeps me very busy so they uh they give me a lot of shows it's fun yeah yeah and and and they do a lot of stuff i mean they're constantly producing things aren't they yeah yeah i do about session at least a session a day with them now um it's uh and who knows what we're going to cut during that session but um sometimes it's like one tagline but the next next session i'm in for an hour and a half cutting multiple shows uh and uh and it's really a lot of fun working with them too because they allow me to spread my wings a bit whereas a lot of promo guys uh do one thing and they kind of realized after a while that i have a little bit of versatility and uh they uh uh let me play well that's half the fun if you're not having fun why do it you know exactly um all right let's settle this once and for all though how do you pronounce your name was i doing it right smith smith i was gonna say jones but now it's uh knocktrop knocktrop is one of my favorite uncle says don't knock it till you so i was right yeah you had to write a couple of times so but it in my i don't know it's my teenage years so we're talking i don't know 30 something years now i think 19 people i've been trying to keep count 19 people have said it correctly the first 19 you actually keeping kind of like right uncle charlie did it right you know you're usually at a grocery store something like that they read the receipt thank you mr dan they move on yeah that's i is it a german or a dutch name it's very german uh there's a couple of stories that went behind it that it stands for night troops we supposedly we were the supply troops at the end of the battalion that would come in by night uh and and supply the troops so but if you add different letters to it it has different meanings like night runner or night grape if you add a you but uh yeah there's a lot of different nicknames that i get because it rhymes with a lot of different things yeah you know when you think of german names you think of schwarzenegger you know what do you think of it it's okay never mind that's a yiddish joke anyway um if you ever meet one of us we're related okay that makes that makes sense you know now promo is such a a narrow genre of voiceover you know and there's not a lot of people doing it at least not at the level that you're doing it what does it take to climb that ladder everybody wants to do promo not that easy what what did it take for you to get there gosh we have to backtrack quite a bit okay go back yeah so uh 2005 i get out of radio uh and i'm going full-time into voiceover and i'm just doing your every workday stuff your car dealers uh the local carpet place and uh you know stuff like that um and i take my first workshop with randy thomas and brian lee in 2006 down in fort meyers florida and randy and brian and i just kind of hit it off while we were there randy invited me over to her house and with my family and spent an hour or two there and was just so amazingly open with uh how she does things and and giving me advice and things like that and it literally changed the direction of my life where uh i wanted to do what she was doing you know and um so that is she recommended me to marisa bias uh and i started studying with marisa about two two and a half years i worked with her doing workshops and meeting amazing people uh at these workshops and i highly recommend workshops to each and every everyone she tells it like it really is she does she's uh she's you know the voice whisperers they say but you know she's the closest thing to a human yoda i've ever met she's about as high too as she seems right through you she really does um and um she's just amazing with her insight uh into the into the world of promo and in trailer um and i started to work with her on on a regular basis um and gosh where was it um she eventually told me at one point because i'm still doing the car dealers and everything and i'm doing it decently a good income at the same at the time but it wasn't worth i wanted to be doing i wanted to be doing promo and trailers so she said eventually you have to make a choice do you want to continue being a journeyman or do you want to be a celebrity um you know among the the promo trailer guys and and women uh that we all know their names um and i kind of looked at her and she goes now both ways of making a living are fantastic uh the journeyman who goes out does the car dealers and everything in the in the e-learning and industrial narration is a fantastic way to make a living uh but when you choose to go the celebrity route quote unquote um you have to focus in on subtlety and art the craft of it and it takes a lot of work to do um to and a lot of introspection as well uh to to to basically uh nail down the craft as they say so uh around 2010 or so uh i moved to portland oregon and i started studying or i just gotten on with uh vox uh in los angeles and i did 190 auditions with them and didn't land a single thing and so something was wrong and so i just started to start from ground up again so i asked around to find out who was the best beginner coach maybe i'm missing something along the way and that's when i got connected with nancy wilson and nancy uh she put me in a fetal position uh she she is a drill sergeant and uh so basically she awoke that i was still doing radio reads at the time i was still doing what's called a regional read uh where you kind of force it you had a smile and there's a little bit to sell to everything uh and she broke me um and gave me the ability to tell stories in my voice uh you know or at least start in that direction uh and then within a week or two i started uh booking i started booking with nfl network and then a couple of months later i landed christler uh doing all their disclaimers for that that went on for five years so she was dead on and then uh 2011 i went in uh to a workshop again and met the genius davolsh uh who you guys have had on there a couple of times and um i was one of dav's earlier students this is well before his true tell uh and i worked with him for two and a half years from 2011 through 2013 and um and i was doing a session two sometimes three a week with him uh really trying to nail down promo um and narration and trailer as well as working with him and uh and he was the guy who gave me the ability to see the story through a script uh to be able to go into your gut and tell it the story like it should be told from the uh from the hand of the writer uh and that is kind of how you do promo uh no we've worked with all the same people that's fascinating uh because i'm you know i'm working with dav right now and he's he's fabulous at what he does and he is you know he makes he makes you understand yeah who's writing it and what they're trying to get across and and how do you make it sound like you're the one that's saying it yeah he uh uh i i said that i said this to nancy uh once but uh nancy builds your foundation and dav and marisa are like the interior decorators so you know he builds the foundation of your house and then and then they come in and they they basically uh correct your mind and put it in the right direction to make sure that you're telling that story uh appropriately from your heart uh and it's a it's a pretty difficult thing to do and um that's why it's such a small club uh to be in and uh and i'm grateful for it every single day yeah i mean i talk to people all the time and they're like i want to do promo and i'm like you have to realize that it's a a small cadre of people doing it to we can probably count on less than two hands it's uh um there's honestly in the trailer world uh which is even smaller there's about 60 people uh who do it now put that on the scale of the nfl there's what 53 people per nfl team per nfl team uh and so they the people who are doing this are the elite in that area and they are just amazingly brilliant and promo there's probably i'm guessing anywhere for 100 to 200 people spread out among all the 500 networks and things like that uh and so it's an extremely competitive environment that we work in every day and so you have to be on your game uh each and every morning ready to go then make it as as efficient as possible for your clients yeah how many sessions do you usually do a day i usually uh i'm about four to five a day but uh knows how many spots are cut during each one of those sessions um you know i still do work for industrial clients and things like that as well too and then the narrations come into play as well it's just a mixed bag of stuff yeah so it looks like the whole trick as it is with anything in voiceover work as we were saying is to properly and convincingly tell a story and especially in promo where you've got you know this finite amount of time to do it how do you approach it uh i figured out the secret when i was working with Dave and that was to study narration uh that is the foundation for promo and trailer uh so when you when you have the ability to see the long arc of a story and see the twists and turns of it as you go you abbreviate that into promo and trailer trailers even less than promo uh but then well that's not exactly true because now in a lot of promo you're just adding tags so how are you going to tell the story inside of a tag really uh so that comes down to research that you do on each and every script that comes in for an audition and or show that you're working to make sure that you're following the storyline uh as it goes um and you know that you're involved in the story you want to be a part of the story at that point or at least reflect it in your voice so all right if you're just joining us our guest is dan knocktrab uh joining us from portland oregon i will now say it correctly 17 times in a row are you sure that was right knocktrab we have george on video george yeah well he's there george you're there right now i surround okay there you are the act i actually have video now it's real video now i see it welcome you're welcome to use it okay well try and try and plug that in uh anyway um if you're just joining us we're talking with dan knocktrab and we're talking about uh his his job which is being a promo and trailer and narration guy and if you've got a question for him jack daniel who is sitting just to my left and is in charge of our social media empire here we'll get any questions you have for him because i'm sure you probably got a pile of questions for dan about what he does and how you get into it and how do you become one of the elites that gets to do it uh and he will relay that question to us and we will ask him that question and no matter what name he uses he will answer that question anyway um let's open the door to that you're the one that opened it up so we're just going to leave it at that for now um anyway narration because this is it's a little bit different although promo is narration but you do a lot of stuff as you were saying for uh for national geographic like you know like and uh what's it like to narrate a show like that or or a documentary sort of thing narration is the the funnest part of the entire job for me uh to get to tell the entire story from start to finish uh so the scripts usually come in uh about the day before the night before I go through it mark it up uh and the next morning if I have time I'll go through it one more time and just kind of see if there's any uh bobbles uh with the way the words are you know written just to make sure that I can smooth it out before I get there uh then we go into session and then um I don't get the luxury of doing things to camera uh to picture um because I'm recording here in the booth the one that's uh the one behind you there that's the one that's been behind you the entire night uh and and so I go in uh the producers in my ear ISDN phone patch uh source connects sometimes um and um the narration begins uh one of the key things that I've learned along the way in the in the trick in the process of narration is to make sure that you have the images of the show that you're watching inside your brain as you're reading so not only do you have the challenge of script interpretation making sure the words come out correctly through your head you're also playing the movie inside your brain as you read so that you are there with the the viewer telling the story as you go and just the combination of all those uh is to me is just the ultimate I love doing narration yeah yeah it's a narration I mean I think everybody wants to do narration uh you know because it's you're like you said you know we're telling a whole story here and you want to be able to to carry it through do you change styles between different types of productions is there absolutely uh and that's the fun part about it over the years I've kind of discovered that the for me there's uh basically two types of narrators you have a reporter and you have a character now the reporter is kind of a detached read that just kind of lays in the background and fits the pieces of the narration together they just give you a little snippets to inform you of the next segment you're about to get into and then there's the character narration which is you know you can you can go back to like Wayland Jennings and the Dukes of Hazards something like that or you know where the the person is actually a character inside the show and there's a lot of that in reality cb going on right now but for the most part the the ones that I do with those kind of character narrators I'm playing the part of one of them the team that went out and shot the video so you get the you come in from the perspective of one of the cameraman or the producer or the director in in reading from that perspective so you're still doing you know the acting part of finding the the place and who you're talking to and where you are in your mind for the character reads and depending on the show that character comes about you know and that's part of the fun part of the job too is developing those characters where you can add a little grit to your voice or tighten it up or you know make it a little bit brighter so you sound a little bit younger and you're part of the 25 year old camera crew that's out so yeah you ever do one with a little bit of a draw like for some some nature films and stuff I got one season they've been changing narrators I think every season but live for your live free or die on National Geographic and I was it I was his mountain man yeah they're eating the whole show like this you know and I did it as a lark in the first section in the first session and they're like no do it and so it a whole season went by with that voice so yeah it was kind of fun cool well there's probably more opportunity in narration work than there is obviously in trailer and promo and that sort of thing so how does one really find their way into into doing more narration work uh just the auditions that come in through your agents as I was coming up through the ranks you know going from a local agents to the to Los Angeles and then on onward to New York with each of the agencies that I jumped to let's just it would be honest the quality of the work increased and so you would on you know my whole marketing campaign and this will this will irk a lot of people but the way that I market is just have a decent website that people can visit but when auditions that's pretty much been the whole thing for me get good enough that you know when they hear the audition they can't deny it and so you you get the gig that way um you know but with the way the competition is you know working at this this kind of level um you've got to be on your game so uh there's no you know there's no second place as they say yeah do you do affiliate work I just started tell us about uh yeah um I've been wanting to do it for like seven eight years something like that in the way the career was just going I just didn't have time to to get into it and then there's this guy I met on my space a long time ago by the name of Eric Romanowski and he does a lot of imaging work and stuff like that and I found out he did affiliate stuff and I contacted him you know and I liked the work that he was the demos that he had up and so we put one together and a few months later CESD brought me on and then I've got two clients right now going already so it's a it's an exciting little thing uh and it's little it's promo again uh so I get to tell these stories even more now so yeah really now let's talk about the the golden handcuffs part of this uh you know we got a lot go for it George oh no especially now that you're doing affiliate work the hand tubs handcuffs chain well as far as my life goes I'll be honest I've had one vacation since 2006 that was just last month we uh we took off to Hawaii and everything was okay we did source connect from the hotel room and it's a little sure it was it was wonderful nobody died yeah and uh and so we made it back and in in everything just resumed but as far as affiliate goes I I don't know uh I'm too green into the business uh to but I never leave really uh so it's kind of sad but that's normalized so but with the way tech is right now you know the freedom is uh is coming back yeah I can do that again yeah again if you're just joining us Dan Knacktrab is our guest we're talking about promo and narration and all this kind of stuff so that sort of begs the question because the people are always asking me about well how do you record on the road well unless you're Dan Knacktrab or Joe Cipriano or one of these guys that has those golden handcuffs why bother except you know to to do auditions and stuff like that I yeah I you know I I used to I just called George tells me what to do you know I've been working with George uh early days of a bobb you know he would give me advice way back when on the on the board of how to set up the booth back here and I got the ATS panels in the booth because of George and then George later hooked up my pro tools rig uh this is not a giant plug for George no no no no no no this is a giant plug for George that's the whole idea you know compression eq stuff like that I have no idea uh he he just he hooked up a stack for me that I can activate a promo sound uh a commercial narration sound or a raw sound just by the click of a button uh and and I've been using that system now for god what now five six years so uh and and it works so I don't mess with it so all righty well if you got a question for Dan throw it in our chat room and uh we will get 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voiceover technology business and good old-fashioned acting i really like your bracelet it's awesome hey paul where did you get that watch um that's really cool and a hamburger with no cheese please every monday nine eastern six pacific only on voiceover body shop dot com all right we're back we're talking with dan necktrab about promo and stuff like that we got a lot of audience questions don't we jack be sure to all right well mr. wittem your video has returned so take it away with question number one all right wow it is working it's a miracle don't ask uh let me get down to those questions here because yeah we got a bunch of them um paul lineweber first you got it all right curious about documentaries specifically are there many women doing the narrations how does a person get noticed do you need an agent those are the it's a three-part question so let's just start with the first one are there many women doing the narrations uh to my knowledge uh not as many as the men uh but friends of mine like uh roberta salomon do quite a bit for smithsonian channel uh she's amazing ladies study roberta um and but as far as the opportunities go for the national stuff uh the new york uh la agents are the are going to be the ones with those kind of scripts if you're learning narration and you want to start somewhere contact your local pbs station that's it uh that's how i started i started doing this little show out of date in ohio at think tv called our ohio and it was all about the farms um in ohio and um in the agricultural business and they would talk you know weird things like buffalo farmers and stuff like that or craft brewers or you know but that's how i got my start doing narration and learning they were just little 15 minute clippets uh and i would um and in it taught me the arc of the story um and so that's where you begin begin locally um and start to work out the kinks and work with a coach to uh to help you with that as you go watch your stuff back here's something that i that i discovered a while back too that i i've recently found out that not many people do when you get a piece that you really like that you did keep it keep it in your on your computer near you so that you can recall it later and use it as an example so if you find yourself in a situation that's similar to but you've got an audition that comes in that's similar to something you've already done go back listen to it your next read will get even better uh and and then continually build upon that by using your own work as a reference to fall back on uh but uh and that's what i did with the pbs stuff through the years so all right well harlan hogan actually has a question what harlan actually asked and then there's a partial question for george too uh he says the randy thomas workshop from 2006 on harlan's website ah amazing he says he says dan can you talk about doing promo trailer work on the road well you say you haven't taken a vacation but you've obviously had to go on the road and visit relatives and stuff like that haven't you were uh how are you set up for that i i talked to my uh manager jason marx um about how to do that's how the other guys do it and he kind of basically said there's a system where you record you set aside four hours in the morning on monday wednesday and friday and you throw as much as you can in at that on those time slots and then um and then that gives you the freedom to do your vacation uh you know outside of those hours um but it's just like everybody else's rig uh i have i have an apollo twin that i use usb into a laptop with source connect uh and then if if the the wi-fi isn't strong enough i just use the data off my phone now it's usually better yeah it's seamless it's uh you know i was in hawaii doing new york sessions uh you know a few times a day yeah it was nice and you and you use a 416 i take it on the road yeah yeah i just take it for the most part this is the mic that i use i use the uh the Neumann in the back there for narrations and stuff like that yeah all right and then and then george harlan wants to know if you can talk about jim tasker's experience with the portaboots well um i can't because i'm not gm but um he uses it and he's used one for quite a long time um so and i know that uh howard parker uh another big big name and promo is also using the portaboots pro in fact i just got him a brand new portaboots pro after he used the other one so much he almost wore it out so that's that takes a lot of use oh well that's i mean that that's how much he was using it so um yeah these there are folks like like dan and jim and using these these products because they want something consistent you know that they can take from place to place um but uh i was going to say you had the u 87 back there dan do you work at your desk with your 416 as much as you can or do you have to really do everything in the whisper room everything is in the booth uh it's funny it goes back to the stories that you were telling that you were talking about earlier uh my booth came about uh simply because a chainsaw was operating for three days straight outside my window and that put me out of business uh so this is i don't know right around 2006 2007 somewhere in there and so i slapped the card down and bought the enhanced booth it's paid for itself many times over um uh and leaf blowers are no longer a problem anymore uh and speaking about to dovetail and to circle around so we were talking about earlier about isolation the the enhanced whisper room is their version of a double walled system yeah where there's an exterior layer of material an interior layer of material and for practicality's sake they the space between them is very small it's like a half an inch they don't have a very big gap uh but it it do have two layers that are somewhat isolated from each other with a little rubber buffer that goes between them um and it's emulates that room in a room thing um pretty pretty effectively um but now you've got the ability to work outside the booth with a 416 and it's processing stuff it has occurred to you to just try doing certain things maybe affiliate work outside the booth oh i fantasize about it all the time why aren't you trying i don't know it's it's you know i've been in that booth for so long it's like a womb you just uh it's one light bulb the words in you in a dark place uh i the distraction i i don't know if i want the distraction uh it's just something that i'm used to when i and i like i mean yeah i i get that i mean um those that could shoot could work outside of booths that have a booth i have found that very few actually ever do it or maybe they'll try it but then they don't do it in the long run it's kind of it's interesting because yeah it's it's creates a space you're comfortable in and it becomes part of you the actor all of it's a system bow weaver great friend he could build anything he wants he prefers to go into a booth and walk away from the computer he doesn't even have a monitor in there yeah he wants to get away completely from the computer so when he goes in the booth he's now the actor and when he leaves the booth he's the engineer and the editor you know so whatever that trick is you have to do for your head um you know you don't want to mess with that so i get that it goes back to the old do you wear headphones or not argument uh exactly what you said you know your job isn't to engineer and hear yourself your job is to act so why would you wear headphones uh in and i used to be a headphone guy and lost quite a bit of hearing in my radio days because of the headphones but marise changed by ways a long time ago and now even when i'm in session i have my uh my mic mixed out of the headphones so that uh all i hear is the the studio on the other side i pull one ear off so that i can hear my natural tone and i've learned over the years to work with that um so it's yeah just the same way as bo said uh now's not my time uh so i got you know avoid mouse mouse clicks as much as you can that's all i can do so yeah it's just important to you know to stay hydrated and exactly that sort of thing yeah and that's that's fascinating about headphones too because you know we've been saying for years don't use the head who are you listening to the only person you should be listening to other than what you're hearing in the room yourself is who's telling you what to do yeah it was well and that wasn't one of the big things when i was making this switch from radio to actor uh was uh trying to avoid the old radio habits of wearing the headphones um there's been multiple times where uh i get into discussions with radio guys and they go no no no i need the headphones and i'm like it's hurting you in the end because you're you're paying attention to things that you shouldn't be paying attention to you know your job is to act right now at this time so do that um and it seems to help the people that do do that to break those old ways all right jack daniel has a question you want to actually ask the question did i i guess i could you could grab the mic it's up there okay all right dan okay dan held mic is on okay i'm standing on my tippy toes to read into this dan that's you you taught me the value of listening to the best promo trailer voices online and deriving some value from close listening can you talk about this as a study technique for folks interested in doing what you do uh uh yes you should know who the players are uh you you need to find out um when i was living in Dayton Ohio and that's you know not new york or la i've never lived in new york or la and the only thing i could do was to study from afar so if you remember the you know the the prime time promo voice picture with joe and don and and the ashton and all the guys i used to study each and every one of those guys uh as much as i possibly could uh to imitate um and whenever i hear them i try to pick them out learn their ways of doing things um from afar it was all part of the study process uh and that's the that's the you know the groundwork you have to do um to find out how they do things and why they do things and then also to also do your homework as far as studying uh the cable networks to find out who's doing what now and why how they're doing it um the vocal tones that they're using are they taking artistic twists now um when you um you know like fx and uh fx is amazing right now with their promo voices i love them they're always cool and artistic and they they're they're you know the americans yeah yeah they're kind of leading the way uh you know is is taking a different look at the voiceover and how to use it inside their promos um you know i've given credit to nat geo they let me play a lot um uh to come up with different tones for each of the shows um which is you know just play time for me uh and then um uh but then we and then you also notice that on the big networks they're still using uh the big voice guys especially like abc with howard and scott and um mike mccall is still on our lot um so you gotta know who's doing what and where and so you know the vibes that are going on for each one of those networks when an audition comes in uh you want to be in the zone of the network but also fit the story of the of the of the show um and that's the trick so you have to do your homework um so know who's doing what who's doing where and why uh when you're when you're outside of those zones uh it's it's you know do your homework yep um tremosly has a couple of questions george all right and tre says question one what's the one thing you haven't narrated that you want to narrate a ken burns documentary i think everybody wants that so most of my narrations are about the end of the world so i don't know yeah peter coyote sounds like he's already been there to the end of the world you're busy and you're saying the story a few times online i went to see peter coyote uh speak one time with my friend revert us all of it uh and he was doing a book tour and revert got the nerve to ask him about his narration work and how do you prepare for it and and he said this and i just my jaw dropped he doesn't prep at all everything he does is cold why ruin the surprise i just went oh that's okay there's a new bar so we're working towards that now uh speaking of a bar is the question below that you wouldn't do one he uh tre says what subject is taboo that you absolutely wouldn't touch in regards to inheriting um i don't know if you would i answer that live in front of the world maybe not but uh i don't know do you dare most of the stuff you talk about you know or the narrations come out or either history or nature or or political ongoing news so no i'm i anything is is open uh really yeah i mean did i start retelling off intelligent look at the uh at the you know the subject matter yeah i'm in uh as far as commercial goes yeah there's a few you know things that i won't do uh but uh because you know there's a level of endorsement with commercials that's why the money's so good uh you know and there are certain things that i just i don't want my voice attached to uh so yeah but i think everybody has their little things that they draw the line at but uh after seeing the movie um Avengers infinity war went to see that last spoilers i haven't seen it yet i was just thinking of one of a of a of a documentary may not want a voice genocide why reducing half the earth's population is good half the universe's population in a related note i did a series last year or was knows election year uh right at the election uh it was called doomsday ten ways the world will end and it was the greatest narration on the face of the earth because at the end of every episode i was the only human being left alive and i got this condescending tone at the end of every episode of going yeah dumbasses speaking of dumbasses i mean change your ways just a little bit they'll be here with me i i just noticed that we're in your studio yeah yeah shows you how close i pay attention to these things what's really funny is it's a whisper room a superimposed over a whisper room and i also whisper room so i'm in here's a whisper room our backdrop is a whisper room i'm gonna clip this and send it to whisper room they're gonna love it they're gonna love that all righty uh divox asks oh wait wait can i insert show go for it you got a martek preamp back yeah the mss 10 why all right uh i had a 737 uh that was blowing tubes all the time i come to find out later it's because i was an idiot and left it on all the time uh and so i burnt the hours on the tubes and and so i hated that and i wanted to go to a solid state so that i could leave it on and not have to worry about it if i if i accidentally left it on uh and so a buddy of mine rick riley who lives up here in portland uh he had one that was recommended from a an engineer in mashville and uh so he bought one i he let me borrow it for a couple hours i set up a quick isdn session went out got a brand new 737 guitar center their 30 day return policy is a good thing uh and i did a back to back with one of my favorite engineers and he's just like the difference is so minimal i couldn't tell one from the other and and that was it i signed off on the mss 10 i gotta say i mean i i have shot out pramps against the 737 and the one that i've kind of landed on is the grace uh m103 and it's it's because it's a channel strip so if you are using any of the features of the of the 737 you have those features yeah the bottom line is it's also solid state like the martech and people can't hear the difference yeah so the bottom line of that is the avalan is a very transparent channel it's a class a and it doesn't have a sound people think because it's tube it has a certain sound to it it really doesn't it's a very transparent brand so if you're gonna bother having transparency why bother having tubes right it's totally not worth it so yeah i've i've heard that msn mss 10 i've looked at and played with it i like that it looks like a geiger calendar with a little handle on it yeah yeah they build them to order too so yeah but they are they are impressive pieces of kit i have to say i really enjoy it and one of my engineers said you know at that price point there really are no dogs so you know so just i i recommend the solid state uh just like george said it you know if you're if you're a fool like me who leaves things on at night don't do that all righty uh divox asks you mentioned having to break the radio read what are some other habits you had to break and how did you break them or habits you acquired and how um basically everything had a sheen on it when i came out of radio uh this we're going back to a nancy lesson here uh nancy wilson lesson uh where she just said stop smiling just stop it now and stop pushing the voice would you please just be real with me for once she goes with a read like that it's no wonder nobody's hiring you and then oh you know i just you know the ego went up real fast and then um and then i remember that i was paying her to tell me things like that so i uh that was the thing uh that i had to break and that took a process it took two and a half two and a half three years uh to do um and the process ended one time in a lesson with uh dav walsh um where he started critiquing a few auditions of mine and um that i had already sent out and and i was just having a really really really bad day and um i kind of shut down and my wife sent him a note and just said you broke him what the hell did you do uh we got on the phone to an ad you know two hours later uh we were fine but uh i was it was a really low point uh it was february of 20 2013 um but the i had a really bad month i was denied four agencies in new york uh it was the year anniversary of a close family member's death and then dav decided to pile on me uh so uh here i am at this low point and he's telling me to stop talking pretty um and so that week i said screw it let's just give it a try and i got this audition in for organic valley uh and it was their manifesto piece and i um decided to just read it in my own natural voice and i booked it and the the beautiful thing about it was um it it um the producer sent me the rough cut with my audition laid over images and he goes we're gonna record in a week and a half i just wanted you to see it well i was listening to that i'm watching it like 20 times a day uh so that i could get used to hearing my own voice that way uh instead of with the sheen or the the perfect read um and it and it was amazing we did three takes and we were out um supposedly it made people cry at the the event that they played it at uh and then i became the voice of organic valley for two and a half three years after that um if you want to find it it's on youtube uh organic valley who we uh who we are um but you know what i find so amazing about that is if you just if you didn't if you didn't have that direction and you didn't know it was time to break the sheen wouldn't you just instinctively think it's organic valley everything about organic is happy because it's good for you you're at home it's nice so you had to go completely against the grain what so to speak and you did that and you booked it yeah and and so that was a major turning point and in uh you know in in dave gets a lot of that credit so does nancy so does marise um you know it was it was a long process to get through that radio stuff and to get to just yourself uh you know through the years of working at it the imperfections in your voice give you a human quality and and even when you're in a character you still have to envelop that character and make them human and that human is also going to have imperfections so for you know the the guys who were in radio who have those big voices um who think it needs to be pristine it doesn't it's the exact opposite of that so allow your imperfections to come through uh that's what you know that's what separates you is just being you yep uh and it was such a hard lesson i will tell you that it was a hard lesson so well dan i have been looking forward to this all week just to make sure we get your name pronounced right uh knock Trump knock it needs an you know an umla in there or something just make sure that it gets pronounced right but thanks so much for for joining us tonight and uh and letting us in on your world a little bit about promo and and trailer and and that type of work and we uh look forward look forward to meeting you next time i'm in portland uh i think i'm coming down in august so well then come join us here on a monday night so excellent all right well thanks for being with us all right george and i will be right back to wrap things up into a nice tight tiny little ball right after this your dynamic voiceover career requires extra resources to keep moving ahead now there's one place where you can explore everything the 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jake michael colin's demos all righty well we need to thank marcie for letting us be out here in the garage every monday night uh our producer kathryn curtain for getting us great guests like dan knocktrab jack daniel on chat room duty tonight thanks a lot and the ever-present uh technical and floor producer uh sumer lino for sticking it out tonight and making it happen and of course jack degole for the show notes and lee pennie simply for being lee pennie well that's going to do it thank uh maxine dunn for letting me let rearrange her living room so i could set up this little spot in front of her booth and gerald griffith for giving us some some really good technical advice tonight too so we really appreciate that well that's going to do it for us tonight not an easy business folks but we're here to help you out so join us here every monday night on voiceover body shop we'll see you next monday night i'm jan london and i'm george widdum and this is voiceover body shop or vio bs good night everybody bye bye