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They're sadly Well one do we want to yeah To you can make that argument for any sport. Yeah basketball football Replays people are trying to do different things. I think the number one would probably be video replay and The issue would only be time Because you'd maybe need a separate set of judges to go over it And maybe you do it with a two-to-one call or something of that nature. I'm just free balling this off I've never really even thought about this the other one people have thrown around is some kind of laser set up Which kind of makes sense? With depth or something of that nature and so say you or even yeah with that we'll start with depth So when you get your rack height mm-hmm, I check in you also get a depth height by this laser And I'm no frickin here But I'm sure there's some laser that could do this pretty simply and so they check where your hip creases on that depth And you have to hit that or below and the laser basically tells you from the side whether you're good And then maybe you have a judge one or two to see kind of an up-down motion or something And then the other one I thought about with bench with the pause is fencing fencing. They have tipped suits and Swords so when you hit it it like it hits a buzzer. Yeah So you do something like that with the pause and maybe you set a timer So maybe there's you know, everyone has the exact whatever point six second pause And so when you hit your chest the bar touches that thing a buzzer goes off and now you can press But again, I think that Depending on the Federation depending on the individual I don't necessarily think machines are the way to go. It's a training issue. I think at the end of the day it's training people to be able to look at different body types and and and look at that point that you know hip crease relative to the knee and Develop consistency around judging it and it probably means like watching a lot of Side view video. Yeah to get a sense of of you know, what passes and what doesn't pass and being able to shoot those things from From that same angle, I know that there are federations that do Like preceptorship for judging you can't become an international ref until you know past the tests and and all that stuff I the thing is that all of those people have individual biases to we're not at a point I don't think somebody can enlighten me on this where we really have what they call Inter-rater reliability where everybody is seeing the same thing roughly the same way and the baseball of the professional sports Is probably the one that's the worst for this relative to to pitch location start balls and strikes They have machinery that can call balls and strikes much more accurate than humans But there's There's been a question about that because baseball is an old game Yeah, and everybody is very bound in the tradition of that I think that powerlifting may be the same way And then the only way to overcome that is with training except when you look at baseball There are wide variations of strike zones from from Home plate umpire to home plate umpire. Yeah, I think I think there's two things. I think one Training standards and stuff, but I think also like kind of anyone can become a judge in powerlifting We're like at a professional level or even a high school level a competitive high school level for most sports Pay is a little bit better. Yep. And so then the qualifications to get there might be a little bit more difficult so then maybe the you know the Expertise is a little bit better. Obviously at the professional level NBA NFL, et cetera is probably pretty good I've heard a lot of those guys are like lawyers judges, et cetera And so then and they're getting paid well so to get there. It's a little bit more of a task So maybe we raise that you raise the pay a little bit and then you might raise the the how optimal these guys are But then we have to get into Federation consolidation so that there's actually you know enough people involved to make it worthwhile There's gonna have to be more money in the sport Yeah, I think it depends on the Federation because I think there's some money rolling around places that we don't know That's that's possible too and and this is not a comment that's connected to that But I don't know if you saw that the new raw bench record from from yeah, yeah boss bosses Where this past is that the big issue? Yeah past and he didn't like racket or the judges didn't rock it The big issue was that that a side spotter Celebrated at the end of the press. Yeah, you can't hear the rat command in any video Yeah, he's like kind of holding it and then he kind of drops it. Yeah. Yeah He's the other side tense the other side came down started to know his elbow or wrist or whatever started to buckle And the you know, I number one. I hate all-time world records that are not clean Yeah, it is I would hate it as a lifter to be honest, but most of the time they're not clean Yeah, it is hard. And if they're especially if they're not in a US APL yeah, yeah, those those tend to look a little prettier. Yeah The standards tend to be really tight This is I'm like Several people said Well, they don't pay spotters Well, they sometimes I do. Yeah, well, why the fuck don't they pay spot? Yeah, sometimes they do anybody's making money on it then Yeah Somebody needs to be paying spot and that's been a topic for a long time Yeah, there's an IPF worlds where spotters are highly ridiculed and other meats were highly ridiculed people got hurt And it's a dangerous sport going back my last thing on the judges is that powerlifting rulebook? Is in the sport and what you're judging is so freaking simple compared to football. Oh, yeah baseball Yeah, I'd probably say football and basketball are probably the hardest just because there's so much going on right Football there's a lot of guys going on basketball. There's a lot going on doesn't stop like that's really hard Referring and so if we are complaining about powerlifting link, you mean how many how many bad calls are made in a basketball game? thousands and so yeah, yeah, so there's a couple you have three judges at a powerlifting meet Chances are that all three F up is a little bit lower So I think it's probably the least not the least It's not a priority in how we raise the sport of powerlifting right now in my eyes Olympic weightlifting they only got you know, they got the same kind of judges and that's in the Olympics doing just fine I'm sure people kind of complain about it, but it's kind of simple You know whether you press out or you don't whether equipment breaks or doesn't it's it's fairly simple. I think that yeah I think that Olympic lifting Judging is a lot simpler. Yeah, I mean it happens fast. Yeah, I mean it's fast Yeah, I think it's simpler. I think it's all damn simple like I think we have bigger issues to fry Yeah, you know, yeah, like our media the money consolidation of feds I think those are bigger issues if we want the sport to grow or make the Olympics or who knows what then just from behind the Scenes I can tell you that the the multiply feds are experiencing some Consolidation around the whole WPO effort. Yeah, trying to make something happen again. Yeah, because Because of where you have to compete in order to qualify. That's really what it comes down to Some brilliant work on Michael Fahey's part there Okay, go into my Instagram Can't this is Jacob W Ross our good friend can you just talk about how we might be related please and thank you Jacob and I may be related but way back 23 and me type stuff. Yeah Potentially potentially I have I have you guys are both pretty American Yeah, well a bit where the deal is that we're very like English Scottish Just me like your folks have been here a while. Yes. Yeah, that's gets hard I think many many generation. Yeah, one of my other friends did it and he's like, yeah I don't know goes like five generations and we're in Boston. I'm like, well, that's pretty tough You know, like it's just tough to track like yeah You're English for like where does it go from there because there's such a split and so much movement Yeah, and the 1500 1600s I have Ross's in my family too. So and Very I guess his brother did it so we haven't we haven't really compared yet But like it's it's a real possibility. I don't I this might be quick nip in the bud This might not be can introverts do good at powerlifting means. Oh, I think that that's absolutely true They absolutely can yeah, I think it depends on your I guess your definition of an introvert But like I'd imagine and I understand like performance anxiety and things of that nature But I don't know if that's directly related to introvert extrovert I think there's probably tons of extroverts who get an insane amount of Performance anxiety and I would also imagine that like there's a high level in this these are all kind of stereotypes But I'd imagine there's like high level of creativity And creative people that are insane introverts like a comedian Actor some of those people are probably very very introverted and you can argue I'd like to argue that like stand-up comedy in front of a huge crowd even a small crowd But a huge crowd is probably like the most Performance anxiety at least that I could imagine. Mm-hmm. You know like lifting you don't have to say nothing There's three judges. No one's even watching you. No, but if you go to you know, and you have a sold-out stadium Your Jerry Seinfeld or something like that. There's 20,000 people just watching you talk. Yeah and stand there Well, you got you got the room for 15 seconds is all you got when you're lifting So it's that's not you don't even have the room. No one's looking nobody. Yeah, nobody's really paying attention if you were lifting on a Stage that has lights. You can't see the yeah the crowd at all. There's no I mean, it's it's very personal It's very internal. I think Even people who have big demonstrations in their wine up wind up for a lift. Yeah. Yeah, could be that's still very introverted I think yeah, and I think it's impossible to say like there's no like clean cut And maybe there is that I don't know but there's no like psycho analysis that you're introverted your extra You know, it's not like cutting dry. It's a continuum Yeah, you people who are and even still like I don't think you can just like categorize people It's just a way you can kind of say like I like to be alone Another huge example would give us and again, this is just stereotyping judging from outside It's quite Leonard obviously became like an internet meme with how kind of like he kind of talks like a robot He kind of looks like you know, like he kind of awkward and maybe just awkward Maybe he's extroverted. Maybe he loves being around people But seems like he is kind of quiet and kind of introverted Yet performed his best on the biggest stage The world yeah, I tend to think that something that requires a physical performance like that Really gets around social anxiety. Yeah. Yeah, which which is because you're because social anxiety is much about about speaking, right? It where I can have both. Yeah, and be introverted and have some social anxiety, but I think there's people that are introverted That that have no issues no anxiety I'm somewhere in between. I'm definitely introverted and sometimes I have social anxiety But a lot of times I'm fine socially and I'm definitely fine performing wise I mean you get nerves every human gets nerves like but I'm not like Crazy and I think actually lifting the individualness of it like you said like it's so inside the work Like you're you train for potentially five years and then and then lift nine lifts to compete like it's way different than like even basketball or like basketball you're competing half of the time and you're practicing half of the time or Football you're competing, you know one seventh of the time and practicing six sevenths of the time or whatever but there's More of powerlifting is done alone Yeah, then it is the actual competing part and I mean even back in the day when I was With a group because we were lifting in gear and you need a group of people like even quiet people Found their niche even even quiet people managed to to get their lifts