 Hello everyone, thank you very much for coming here, I know that there are a lot of interesting sessions going on, and thank you for choosing us. I am Kristi Progri, I finished my studies for international affairs and diplomacy. I'm the open labs chairwoman, I'm a Mozilla rep also, Mozilla outreach intern, and tech speakers. Well, I'm deeply involved in almost all Mozilla's projects that are there and also part of the hacker space. Hello, I'm Iona, so both of us are from Albania. I'm currently finishing my studies on business informatics at the University of Tirana, and both of us are part of Open Labs Hacker Space, that is the first hacker space in Albania promoting only open source projects, and the first project that I've been involved, as you can see from my head, is Fedora. And I became the first Fedora ambassador in Albania, but after that I wanted to be part also to other open source projects like LibreOffice for example, that's why I'm a TDF member now, and at Fedora I'm part of different sub-projects that we have, and lately I'm a real school summer of code intern, I will talk about it even later to give you some more information about it. Okay, in the first part of the presentation we're going to tell on how to build up the community. We have tried and we together thought to put some historical and political sphere into the presentation, so it will be easier for you to understand that the community actually it's important also to know that how was the history of a country. So, is here anyone who know who is this guy? Okay? Well, Enveroja rocked Albania for 50 years in a very deep communism. We were totally isolated from what happened in the world and we didn't know anything, we thought that we were the best and we thought that we were the greatest in the world and that was the reason that everything is going on and all the planets were how they were. So Enveroja kept our country in a total, in a total isolated sphere and like as every communist country as you might also know is that the collectivism and the volunteer thing is a very, plays a very big role in the society. And on 1919 the things changed and we call it now democracy, but we are not very sure about it. They changed the name, I think. And on 1990 we did like the first free elections and the first, you know, free president and the prime minister was into the country and we thought that we're free and a lot of guys went to the main streets of Tirana to be like the heroes and to pull down actually everything that Enveroja built it for a couple of years. So from the extreme collective work went to extreme individualism and it was not done in a very smooth way because it was like very straightforward and we didn't have also the time to recover from everything that happened in the communism and to get up like even stronger. So these went really fast and that affected a lot in the society and how the things were really going. In a country with a cooperative way of working background, collaborative software development should be easier, right? We thought actually the same that having the background that people were very into like working with each other like in the communism were because that's what the system told them. We thought that when it comes to the volunteers or when it comes to the contributions for free, the Albanian people or people coming from a post-communist country would find it easier and it would be better because they already had something before and they would know now to take all the benefits of it actually. When Opelab's first was created, it was like on 2012, we thought that it would be way easier to get people but it was so hard because people in our age, their parents told them don't work for free or don't contribute because that's what also in communism told us. Like they did the same but nothing good happens from it. So when we first started the Hacker Space, it was a very new thing. Like no one knew what the Hacker Space was and especially like for the floss projects, people were not really into the tag and especially women or especially students. And when we first created it, people thought that they were just going to contribute and they would take actually nothing in return and it would be just a waste of time. And it was so hard to convince them. Like we started the Hacker Space with only four people, like presenting to them like the major projects that we did like for example Mozilla or Linux, Wikipedia and OpenStreetMap. And now we're growing in and creating one of the biggest conferences in Albania related to the floss technologies and softwares. So Jona is now going to present you related to the women and we will also collaborate with each other during the presentation. So until now we were hearing how good it is to have let's say a local community, how to build it and also how to maintain the spirit so the community can grow even more. But if we see these communities, where are women part of it? And if we see mostly related to floss projects, a survey that has been done in 2002 found that only 1.1% of the contributors were women. And a more recent one in 2013 found that only 11% of floss contributors were women. So as we can see the number has been increased. But even though it's really low number because it's only 11% of them. And if we see at this 11% only 1.5% of them are developers. So this is even worse when we hear this number. And if we see the GitHub users that has more than 10 contributions from just a random sample, for example, only 5.4% of them are female. And among these women who joined the tech industry, let's say that only 56% of them live by mid-career. And if we compare this with men's, it's the double the attrition rate if we compare both of them. So if we see this diagram here, as we can see that the number, so this is compared with the number of repositories on GitHub, the percentage of females, it's really low. And the number decreases when the contributions increases. So something is going wrong, right? So even if I have also some other statistics from the Picon conferences, so the local ones. So from 2011 until 2015, if we see the number of the speakers at the beginning was only 1% of them. And now we have speakers, let's say 33% of them are women. So the number has been increased a lot. But 2014 and 15, the number is the same. So the percentage is the same. So we have some issues here. The first one that we can say is the invisibility. So this is related because when we are inside a community, when we are a part of it, sometimes people tend to say statements like they are not part of the community. Like they are not there. Even if, of course, they are part of it, they are trying really hard to be active. And on the other hand, we have the exceptionalism that sometimes when they see women, they are like, oh, are you a developer? Are you sure? Or they see statements like they are really special creatures, something really rare. But try to not do none of them because it's really offensive towards the women. We have the gender essentialism and social expectations. So this is related because mostly when we think about women and men, we say that mostly they are good at, so I mean in general, they are good at working, at house, doing, let's say, chores. And men are mostly with, they are good at technologies. But even if we see inside the technologies, inside the world of informatics, for example, mostly they will let to them do like the community manager, the documentation part, and boys will do, they will be the developers. Okay, of course that they can do it, but maybe it's not something that they want to do. Maybe they want to be the developers and not the community manager. So try to help them find what is good for them, what they like, and just let them do what they want. And the last one is the sexualized environment. Sometimes when they see, let's say, girls part of a community, mostly they see them like a sexual object and that's all. But, of course, they are there because they like technology, they want to be part of it, and they can be really good developers. On the other hand, what we have done until now, and when I say we, I mean different communities, we have different initiatives that are, that have been a lot of years that has been created, and they are doing a lot of efforts to try to have more women part of these communities. One of them is also WOMOS, which is a project that Mozilla is having to, and it's composed with numbers of women or people from underrepresented groups to contribute more into the open source projects. It's mainly dedicated to improving women's visibility and involvement in free and open source softwares and to Mozilla, and it's free so everyone who wants can participate on it. There are also some channels that you can find and have more information related to this project, like in the website, in Facebook, Kyrie C Telegram, and also the mailing list. And there is also the Fedora project that they have a specific target only for the women. So, Fedora women, it's like something the same with WOMOS, but it's for the women that we have part of our community and not only, of course. So the mission statement that we thought in the beginning is to provide a forum for all women in the Fedora community because sometimes for them it's easier when they are part of a forum that will be only with girls and no one will say there, what is this stupid question, for example, or just Google it. So to avoid this part, that's why we wanted to create a forum only for them. Provide a stronger voice for the women of the Fedora community so if you have a problem, you just need to speak up and not try to avoid it and behave like nothing has happened. And avoid segregation because, of course, that we don't want to separate them, absolutely not. We just want both of them can collaborate with each other and making the community even bigger and better. And what's most important is to have fun. So, as I said, this sub-project that we have is open to any women who is looking for a supportive group within the Fedora community and not only. But as we wanted to have a more inclusive community, we thought to open a new one that is called the diversity team. Here we had also the drug activity day related to only that, to think what we will do as a team and how we will work on different tasks on the future. So that's why we have our mailing list where we discuss different things about different subjects that people can have or a question that they need to know. How you can contribute, for example, you can find us on Pajor that it's a platform that's similar with GitHub, but we use it only for Fedora. And, of course, that we have our B-weekly meeting. So, for example, now we have our weekly meeting. So each Wednesday on our channel on IRC, Fedora diversity. So those are two of the initiatives, but there are even more. Also other projects like Wikipedia has another one that is called Women in Red. And what is one of their goals? Let's see, they are trying to add more articles, more biographies for different women around the world for different countries. So more people can know their history, what they have done, et cetera. So something else that we can show to other women and they can be part and start, even from the beginning, let's say, are some different opportunities where one of them is outreach, where even Christy was part of it. Outreach is actually an intern that is only for women for people coming from underrepresented groups to contribute and to start also to getting involved in the Floss communities. I was part of it. This, the last round, actually, I was working with the Mozilla team for the participation team for the diversity and the inclusion. So it's, as I said, it's a three-month internship and everyone can feel free to join. It's also Google Summer of Code, which is almost the same with outreach, but it happens only during the summer and it actually, it's even for women and even for men, it's like more inclusive, let's say. Students can work within this project for like three months and it's only during the summer. In the beginning, they can apply like interested students and accept the students spend the summer coding and there is also a mentor who is mentoring them and then they can submit the code and they can share it so everyone can see how did it work and how was all their work. And Yona is also part of the Rails Girls, which is also an internship. So Rails Girls Summer of Code, it's an internship that even I saw it this year. The applications happened during February. So it's a, let's say scholarship only for girls so they can be even more part of different open source projects and they can do something during summer and they can code because it's only for coding and they can be part of different projects. It doesn't mean that it's only for Ruby on Rails, but it's also related to other programming languages. So here are some of the projects that were listed and each person could apply at one of them and also here you can see what background you need to do, what background you need to have so you can be part of them. So to be part of the application, you needed to find another person so you can be a team together and you need to be at the same place every day during the summer and work. So after finding that and also deciding with your teammate which project you need to apply and the maximum was only two projects, you needed to find even coaches for each project you need two coaches that can help you and of course that they need to know more about the project that you will be involved. And after finding the coaches also that you will have the mentor of the project that you can be part of it. So the project that, for example, this is my team, we called it Codeholics and what we are working now, we are part of NextCloud. I don't know if anyone have heard about it. Nice. So NextCloud, it's similar, let's say with Dropbox, but it's an open source alternative. First was the ownCloud, but this one is a fork of ownCloud and what we are working now, it's related to the contact apps and the documentation related to the contact apps. And what we, one of the, let's say, things that we needed to have at the beginning, our background was related to AngularJS, but it doesn't mean that you need to be really advanced to be part of it because you can be even a beginner and you can, because also during this scholarship you need to learn even new things. So here you can see the sources that we are working, students, coaches, mentor, and supervisor. And each day what we do, we need to publish there our activity log, what we have done for each day from Monday to Friday and this scholarship will end on 13 of September and it's a really good opportunity for girls to be part of open source, projects, but even to get paid about it. So we were talking until now that we don't have a lot of women's part of these different communities, but how is the situation in our community in Albania? So here is one of the events that we do each year, Ada Lovelace Day that happens on October. So the first one that we made, for example, each of the girls that are part of our community, they were talking about the projects that they are part of it and how is the situation at their community and how even the other girls can be part of it. Another one is Mozilla weekend. Yeah, Mozilla weekend actually was like an event that we had like a tradition happening every February, but unfortunately we skipped it this year. And in this photo it's very visible that we have divided men in one part and women in the other part just for the audience to see how is the situation like. In this photo we are actually more women, like I can think that 70% of the community, even generally, not only in this event, but even generally in the hacker space we have more women than men. And here we have Oskar, as Christy mentioned, even in the beginning, is the conference that we are organizing in Albania, open source conference Albania, and it's one of the biggest one in Balkan. This is a group photo from our fourth edition that was this year on May. And next year we will have our fifth edition. So I think it will be even more people part of it, but so as you can see the group photo, most of the participants were girls, even part of the organizing team. We were 12 people, so eight of them were girls and the other part were boys. Also part of most, only there's something that we couldn't fix it, let's say, maybe next year we will see it. Speakers, most of them were boys because most of the speakers we had them from abroad, from different open source projects. So they could be part of it. And here we have a federal office, Python meetup. So as I mentioned, that I'm part of Fedora. At Fedora we have even a special group only for Python people that are really into it and they like it. And as you can see even here, most of the participants that are part of this meetup were girls. And this is, let's see, is that someone said for our conference because in the end we like to talk with speakers and have their feedback. So even other people that maybe want to come, they can just see it. So Oscar showed how girls can rock IT subjects and that free software is a special, important and empowering topic for everyone. Basically the main reasons that we have witnessed and we found out is that the educational system makes more women and helps a lot women to go into the IT subject because in Albina is that mentality. I think that the IT subjects can offer you, you can have a very good job after you finish your university for informatics and also this is a very good reason and they like to go into those fields even because of this thing, the desire to discover new things. Technology didn't come to Albina as fast as it came in other very developed countries, for example in Europe or in the United States. Like I think that the first computers in Albina were like in the beginning of 1991 or 1992. So it was quite a new thing for us and since it was new everyone wanted to go and see how the things were working, what was it and they wanted to give it a try and to see. Yep, also we have worked on doing some finding out some reasons on how to encourage more women. First is to recruit diversity. We think that it's very important to present like the projects and the hacker space and everything in a lot of universities and to get more students working on it and to create a code of conduct so everyone can feel free and can feel even more, even better coming in the hacker space because they know that there are the chances for them to feel bad or to have said something that it's not very proper will be low because there is a code of conduct. I think that the very good thing is also to value all contributors because in the hacker space not all the contributors are from IT fields like not all of them studied informatics or maths or science. Generally there are a lot of students coming from geography, history, Albanian language or other universities and it's very important to value all of them. Even the contributors that only localize like translate the platforms into our local language we have to thank them like exactly in the same way that we give the credits to those who can code and to those who contribute in a technical side. Also it's organizing events and conference is also a very good way for them like in a way to get more involved and to see that how the community works so they can just come and start contributing since they will see that we're actually very open to everyone who wants to come and join. So this was our presentation. Yeah, open diversity. Yeah, we're also starting an initiative, open diversity which aims to collect all this kind, all the platforms for the diversity like pie ladies or womos or fedora women to collect them in like one umbrella for all of them so we can come with the same voice and we can have the same conferences or events and we can share experiences. So to some of this was like our presentation. We did it exactly in 30 minutes. So everyone who wants to ask something, please feel free or if you want to comment on something or anything good or anything good or... If you disagree with something that you said. Thank you. Okay, great. So yeah, as you said, you used again half an hour so we have plenty of time for questions and I see already several hands so I'll go. Thank you for your talk. I have two questions if I may. The first one is according to your own experience so far, what do you think companies, like private companies, what would be the best way at a small scale to make a contribution to like opening IT field to women? And as an example, I run a small company but the presence of women in the IT field in my country, I live in Belgium. It's pretty hard to recruit new women in the company because the pool of women achieving IT degrees is quite low and so even though I would like to recruit more women, I don't know how I could make the pool bigger and so if you have any tips or stuff that we as potential employers we could do to improve the situation. Okay, thank you. For which country do you find this problem? In Belgium. Do you have comments on that? So thank you for your question. We have actually seen also like the same thing given from the other people. Actually we suggest that internships are a very, very good way for them to recruit because if you go in the university and you present your company there, there will be a lot of interested students and among them also women and I think that it will be a very good start for them because they will start as an internship which means that if they will feel a little bit insecure because it is like tech field and probably they feel like not very ready for it, they will feel even better I think because they know that in the company there will be people that will mentor them and will help to grow in the professional field. So I think that recruiting in the universities is a very good way and also going in tech events or I don't know if you come from a country that there are a hacker space there because one of the examples is that in our hacker space there are a lot of students or post-graduated students that are looking for jobs and the companies that want to hire they just send an email to the mailing list that for example we want 10 developers or whatever they need and the people from the hacker space they just start to apply and among there are a lot of people and then join the company. Welcome. Okay, I think we are. Thank you for your talk and also thank you for all the initiatives that you're taking in Albania. I wanted to ask like besides conferences have you thought about organizing some kind of competitions as well? I'm also Albanian and what made me study computer science is actually taking part in the National Olympiad of Informatics like studying for that. So don't you think competitions will also be some like nice initiative to take in order to encourage women to study computer science? So for example what we have done at our local hacker space lately we had an open data hackathon related to the data is that our municipality published on their website so we talked with them so we could meet the collaboration so we invited a lot of girls to be part of it and it was kind of let's say challenge maybe let's say but it's not that it's our purpose because sometimes when it's a challenge they forgot to work as a team and they just will work as individual and it's not something that we want to be part how can you be part of an open source community and let's say having that spirit when they will be only individuals but mostly we try to have these challenges but not with just something similar at least that's what we have done lately at our hacker space for these hackathons that we have done. Okay actually I have also a question so first I would like to really thank you for bringing up this important topic and I also profit to appreciate the fact that there's many men in the room because usually this is a topic that somehow is often discussed among women as if it were a women problematic while it's much nicer when it's actually discussed by men because it's a general issue so my question instead was just a clarification on something that you showed I didn't understand in the pictures of the schools and the conferences that you showed towards the end you had a quota for the participants or it was just the let's say participants happened to be more or less equally distributed or with more women. You mean for the photo that was at the Mozilla? Yeah the Mozilla, you had more than one, the Mozilla and then another one afterwards in which they were more or less equally distributed or even with more women. Yeah, no actually it was a event that we did in the hacker space and everyone that wanted to submit a talk could join and yeah, or the workshop and when people started to register for the event we witnessed and we saw that there were more women registered and then men. So when everyone was part of the event and when it started we thought that in the end of it we asked everyone and we thought that in the end of it it's something very nice and it's not very common to see in such events having more women than men. So it was actually just a photo of the event that we took. Yeah, I mean so there was no quota in the... No, no, no. Like from set by the organizers in selecting the participants. No, no, no, it was just a random photo that we thought that it would be nice to be taken but we didn't know that that would be that number. We're just lucky. And do you think that the fact that in the organizing committee there was a substantial number of women did this impact the fact that the participants were actually more, let's say, encouraged women participants to apply? Yeah, when people come to the Hacker Space and they see that the Hacker Space is really diverse and there are a lot of people coming from like men and women, people see each other and they feel very motivated when they see that they're friends or people that they know are part of the community. So it is a very good, I think that it's a very good way to even to motivate the others to become part of it. So I think it's like a cycle of the motivation. One more question. Hi, would you maybe elaborate a bit on practical steps to encourage more participation in a small group, let's say 20 people in one city versus a large group like thousands of people in Missoula. So you mean to give more practical steps on how to increase the numbers of the women or we got wrong? I mean, whether specific steps work better for small groups and other steps work better for large groups. Okay, so when a community is in the first steps and there are just few people coming, I think that it's important to recruit people. Like in the beginning when we started from our experience in the beginning of the open labs, like we wanted people to know about it. And we just like it was like in the beginning at then to be honest, we're like, okay, let's go and let's give presentation on what is it and to invite everyone. But when the community grow, it happens very naturally for open labs to have more women than men. But generally in communities when they're in the first steps and when they grow and when, for example, you see that there are more men, like obviously more men than women, then in this point of the community, you start to think on having some political steps to have more women and to do something even more practical. But this happens only in the phase when you already have a built like a stable community because it will be hard in the beginning to call, for example, or to invite to have more women than men because it's still new and there is basically no one. But I think that beside this, having men and women in the community should also be part of the basics of the manifesto of a community also, like to have diversity and to have everything. I mean this for the communities that starts from scratch and from the communities that they just go and they see that there are like more men than women, but open labs was not one of those examples because we're now trying to get, we're discussing and we just wanted to have more men now in some events and it was like very, it's a vice, it's another situation. Perhaps in larger groups, one can have more organized mentorship programs or perhaps one could make sure that you have, for example, reference figures which are female, like keynote speakers, for example, in large conferences. Here. Thank you for the talk. Great to hear that Albania has developed a lot more in the past few years and being from Bulgaria, we hardly hear anything, we're practically neighbors, so it's great to hear you've made such an amazing job promoting all that initiatives and everything and a small question. So in your experience with a small group and small community, what would you consider mistakes or maybe what was, didn't work out well in the beginning when you were filling your way and kind of building that community and maybe advice to what other such communities could avoid doing, I guess. I think that something that really helped us in the beginning was that also the founders, like the people that were part of the team, like those who founded the AgriSpace were women, like there were men and women together. So when women come to the community, they see that those who founded are not like 10 men and she's the only one there and she'll feel weird. But having like even the organizing group, even the core group having them diverse, like men and women helps a lot to give a very good and I think welcoming environment for everyone who wants to join. But actually we had also information for the Bulgarian community and we... In fact, we were there on November. Yeah, for a conference and we saw the situation. Especially with Rails, we saw that you have a really good community there. It's growing further, yeah. Thank you. Further questions? Great. Thank you very much for the talk. I was wondering if you had any perspective on what to do when there is already a community that is problematic. Creepy ourselves in positions of power and so on. I understand that if you're in a position starting out, then it is much easier to stop the rot. Do you have any perspective on cutting it out when it already exists? So you mean on giving like any advice for the communities? Some communities are much worse than others. Do you have any insight into improving existing communities as opposed to building good ones from the start? In terms of involving more women, right? Yes. I think that it's also, from our experiences, I think that what really works in those cases and what is really good steps to grow and to have more women is to take them for actually to give presentations on universities because it's a very, very good way to let them know. And another thing is probably in your country, you find it hard to have a lot of women studying informatics. So if you go and give presentations in IT university, you might have more men, but you can also choose to go in conference that is, for example, for social sciences or give presentations also in the university of human, of, I don't know, history or geography and let them know that even people coming from those backgrounds can also contribute in communities. Like in any kind of way, it doesn't matter whether they know how to code or not. They can start and they give their contribution even by holding different talks on different kind of fields that probably tech people cannot cover. They, I think that it will be a very good start for them to come and contribute in the community. So I think that beside having the diversity of women and men, we should also have the diversity of the backgrounds of women that are coming not only from a specific field, I think, but also from the others. And also, we have had presentations even in high school and high school is like, I think that it's a very good place because people there don't really know what to do with their lives. They're like, okay, what I'll do tomorrow, like what am I going to study? So even if you go in the university in high schools and tell them that tech is really good or, for example, coding is not meant for men, but it's also meant for women and give them examples and give them cases where they can succeed, I think that they will feel very, very motivated to go for it. I came from a non-technical background and in the beginning everyone was like, no, don't go at the hacker space, like I probably won't make it or like what are you going to do there? But then after I realized that having said this in my high school, like having people or my teachers saying this that Christie, you can do it and you can go and contribute even in technical fields that really motivates people, I think. Something that Christie said about different backgrounds, I wanted to add that what we did, for example, last year, we had Wikipedia weekend, so we had two days, Saturday and Sunday dedicated only to Wikipedia, mostly not only for advance, but mostly for beginners and intermediate, let's say people. We, before organizing it, we went to the university of history, I guess, in Albania, so we went to the students and we showed them, for example, that they could be part of it, they could learn the first steps, so how, for example, starting, opening an account, et cetera, and they could not, for example, translate some articles related to history, but even creating new ones, because they know pretty well their field and they are really good at it, so they know the details and they are the right persons to write articles about it, so you need to see what kind of field they are studying, and you can see what you can go there and present to them, because it doesn't matter, it's not that they need to do only coding, I mean, there are a lot of things that they can do, but even at Wikipedia, they can start, for example, with the Markdown language, so it's something that they can start with, so thank you. Great, perhaps just to add one little bit, please, just as a comment of data, sometimes there's the idea that, there's the general idea that there's just fewer women who actually study scientific topics, but actually, at least in Europe, the European Commission has delivered the chief figures research, which is publicly available, which is based on data from 2014 until, I think, 2015, and then they had an update, and they were showing that actually, while at, until the level of university, the level is more or less the same, and the problem is much, and much, much more enhanced when the level of responsibility is actually increased, so it's a hierarchy problem, let's say, which is not so evident yet at the level of university degree, and there's several reasons from that, which I mean, you also mentioned, and this is actually not even only related to science, but I mean, it's shown as a mean for different countries and also for different topics. Anyone else who has comments wants to open other points of discussion here? Hello. How is your experience with recruiting in high schools? Is there a big interest, and the participants are staying in your community, and can you recruit a diverse community from a high school? Yeah, in Albania, the high schools are divided on students that are with the science profile and those that are not, that are with the social profile, so going into the high school, and having presentation was very successful to us. There were a lot of students coming from the high schools and then being part of the Hacker Space because one of the reasons is that they want to have a lot of new experiences related to the fields that they might be applying, also students that are thinking to attend the universities for IT subjects, they really, really want to go in those kind of communities to see how the things really work or whether the field that they want to choose in the future, whether it's exactly what they want or not, so it's the phase of the experiment and there will be a lot of people that will be very interested on coming. And also, a very big plus I must say is also if you invite in the community and or in any kind of other internship and you say, for example, in the internship or in the company that if you work, for example, during the three months and if you do well during those three months, we will keep you and you can also work for us. So having also this ad in the presentations or in the talk that you will be saying there, it will be a very good also motivation for them to come and to join. Any other question? So the programs on Fedora and Mozilla, for example, that you showed more or less at the beginning, are they open, are they for Albania only or they are open to everyone to apply? No, yeah. So both of them, both of the projects, you can be part of different teams that depends on what teams you want to join. First of all, technical ones or non-technical ones. Even if you are a beginner for the technical ones, for example, you will have someone that will tell you first steps, what you need to do so you can get more into the community, even learning more things about what kind of contributions you need to do there. But it's not that it's separated for beginners or not. So yeah, but I meant, is it only for one country or is it for worldwide? For everyone. Okay, great. So would it be possible to have a collection like with you made available, make available either the slides or the collection of links so that there were several that you mentioned? I think that they will be posted in the website. Yeah, we will post it. We will share it on Twitter, the link, so we can see. Other comments in the meantime, questions, doubts? So we still have, I think, five minutes. Anything that you would like to add? I can say only something. So just don't forget to say thank you to all the contributions that each person does. And of course, don't forget to share what you heard for example today about the internships and share it with the other women that you know because it would be great. Because it's the same that we did here, so just now you need to do the same. And thank you. Thank you. Okay, great.