 All right, let's say you have a bad diet. Let's say you don't exercise and you have bad sleep. Which one of those things should you tackle first? In other words, which one of those things will cause the biggest positive impacts on your health, fat loss, and muscle gain? Sleep, believe it or not, it's sleep. If all those three things suck with you, tackle sleep first. It'll give you the biggest bang for your buck. Dang, that's like when you know the answer, but like the teacher's in calling you. Sorry, sorry, Justin. You know, hey, sleep. Could you, like, no way I would have believed that when I was younger. No way. In my 20s as a trainer, I didn't even talk about sleep. Sleep, what are you talking about? It's one of those things that I think is, like, I don't think you've ever said that someone, someone go like, oh, no way, I didn't know that. Like, I feel like everybody knows it, yet we just ignore it. Doesn't it feel like that? It's like, I know, I remember hearing that as a trainer early on. I knew that sleep was important. I think we assume because we do it, that it must be, and I get up and I do my day and I go about my life, that I'm getting good sleep. I think people overestimate the quality of their sleep. And so when you hear things like a trainer tell you, hey, when you're asking questions like, oh, what supplement should I take? Or what workout or what diet? And you go like, well, you know what you could do? Is you could focus on optimizing your sleep and get more gains than any of those things that you just asked me about by simply just sleeping better. They go, oh, I already sleep really good. So I think that most people overestimate the quality of their sleep. Here's how important it is. Out of diet, exercise and sleep, the one you can go, the one that you can go the least without. In other words, the one that you cannot have that will cause major health issues in the quickest time of sleep. You have no sleep within 72 hours, your odds of psychosis are actually through the roof. You cannot eat for like weeks and it would suck, but you'd be okay. You cannot move for weeks and it would suck, but it wouldn't be like sleep. Sleep, you couldn't survive a week without sleep. And they've done studies on this. In fact, it's considered cruel and unusual punishment by the Geneva Convention. It affects your hormones, it affects your cravings, it dramatically affects your ability to build muscle and burn body fat. Now, the truth is all three of those things contribute to each other. In other words, working on your diet is likely to make you wanna be more active. It's also likely to improve your sleep. Exercising properly is likely to improve your sleep. It tends to motivate people to wanna eat better. And then sleep, you get better sleep, you have more energy, wanna work out and you have less cravings. But the one with the biggest impact is sleep and everybody who's got, people with poor health tend to have all three of them kinda off. Nobody tackles sleep first unless it's so bad and so obvious that they're just losing their mind, everybody tackles the other stuff first. It's the sleep. Yeah, it's funny. I was just thinking like, I was at a point where I would say the majority of my clients would come in and be like, oh yeah, I know how important you say sleep is. I know how important recovery is, and I do those things. But also like, how many times can I come in? Can I come in twice? Can I do this? Can I do that? It's like, this is just stuff. They just wanna just push it aside. And it really is like the biggest focal point that they should have in order to optimize everything they're doing to get to the result that they wanna get. But it's a funny thing that like over time and sometimes you have to kind of like play into that just to get them to see it for themselves. But you know for, and that's again, this is something you learn later as a mature trainer but it's just like, it's so overlooked. It's so, and there's so many aspects of training that get affected by this. I've been waiting for the next time one of you brought up sleep because of how obsessed I am with the 8 Sleep app. So I had everything hooked up. I've talked about how much I love the thing and the AI version of it. But do the actual tracking, the metrics on it are wild to stuff the tracks. So of course- You said you liked the bed of the aura. I do, I do. So it obviously tracks REM sleep, deep sleep. It does heart rate, does HRV. It does my breath rate. So I can see the difference of like different nights and the quality of it. And it's literally a pad over your bed that cools and warms your bed. It tells me if I took longer than 15 minutes or not to fall asleep, how quick I was up like scores me everything. And then based off of this. And then based off of that, it adjusts on its own. I know that's so crazy weird. I didn't realize how good it was until I noticed that like, so when I first got into it you have to like set it up and you have to, you choose like, oh, at 8 a.m. or 8 p.m. I want it to, the cooling to kick on. And I want to put it at minus eight because I want it really cold. And so initially it starts at what you, you put it at. But then again, the AI kicks in and then it will just naturally- It figures out what you need to figure out. And so it's now found this place where I like, before this was my attitude. Like I want it ice cold because I'd rather be too cold than it be even close to being not cold enough. So I'll put it super cold. But now it's got to a point where I don't ever feel like that. I climb into bed and it feels nice. I never feel freezing cold. It never allows me to get hot. What's your number then? Were you close? No, it actually, it actually was higher than what I thought. So I used to go minus eight. And then the other night I like, I got on there and I'm like, I wonder what it's at right now. Cause actually Katrina made quiet and she goes, oh, I think the eight sleep kicked off. And I'm like, oh no, it's just, it's probably not having to run because it's got me right where it wants me temperature-wise. And so it was like 10, 11 o'clock at night when she said this to me, we're laying in bed and I rolled over and I looked just to see it. I was like, oh, it had me at minus two. Oh wow. And so it didn't have to have me all the way at minus eight. So it's like, it's a trip how, and what I recognize is that I just feel good and I never feel hot. I never feel cold. It's just the right temperature. Now what about Katrina's side? Have you looked at her numbers to see? No, I don't pay attention. I would love to see the difference. Yeah. You know why? Because you guys are so different. She runs hers hot or off. So she doesn't even let the AI do the thing? Oh, she won't even do that. She don't even care about it that much because she always wants to be warmer than whatever I have the bed set on. Even though it's on her side. I was just curious to see what it found out for her. Yeah, she's not, I mean, and she's not hurt. Katrina's thing with sleep is light. So that's like, yes. Did she wear a night mask? Yes. I had to get her a night mask because it's like we have like these in our curtains, there's like these slight, and that's just a crack in the curtains and a little bit of light coming through. Interesting. Just disrupts her. I'm not like that at all. I could totally have. You know what's weird about this conversation is that like, I remember, I've said this before, I remember my grandfather was visiting from Sicily and this was years ago. So I was probably, I don't know, 17, no. No, I was younger, 14, 15, and he had never been out of the country or I don't even think he'd ever been off the island of Sicily. But anyway, he comes over and I had weights in the backyard and so I'm working out and he was making, he was laughing and making fun of me and he goes, just go to work if you want to work out. Lift heavy, you know, because to him he thought it was so weird that I actually It's like a waste of energy. voluntarily picked heavy things up and put them down. I'm not building anything. I'm not doing anything. It's because I have to do this in order to, you know, improve my fitness because the modern world has taken that out completely. Right? The same thing with diet. Like we used to eat a whole natural food diet because that's all there was, right? That's all there was. All there was was whole natural foods unless you starved if you were a successful hunter and all that stuff. Your diet was probably pretty damn healthy in comparison to what the average person eats of course, barring that lots of people starve because it was hard to get food. Same thing with sleep. Sleep was probably never an issue because our bodies evolved for most of human history. The sun went down. It got cooler. Your brain registered less and less and less light and then darkness and then it's cool and then you go and you lay down and you're also probably exerted a lot of energy throughout the day. I think there's two big factors to the point you're making right now. I think that being exhausted from like manual labor and no tech. No technology. Those two things I think have made the biggest disruption of our sleep. Think about the light that we had. It was fire. Like, oh, you want some light? Go make a fire. How bright is that? Not very bright at all. It's a red glowing. By the way, the light that affects your sleep the least is the red glowing light that comes off of a fire. So it's like, and then our diet was, you know, whole natural stuff. So I don't think people ever were like, yeah, God, I have issues. It was, yeah. It was a struggle to sleep. It was probably more like I need to stay up because I heard something. Yeah, then you add in all the things that were hopped up on, right? Caffeine and Adderall and just like and the low level stress that you're getting all day long. And it's just, it's just we've organized our lives in a way that's so unnatural that we now have to find ways to essentially use technology and use, you know, techniques and methods to get our primitive bodies. Our bodies are not advanced. The same body. Look, my body is identical. Genetically. You're just teaching us that the old ways were superior. Yeah. So it's like we did all this stuff. People are like, we don't like the dark, you know, make lights. Oh, electricity's invented. Oh, great, you know. Oh God, this back breaking labor is so hard. Let's make it easier. Let's make it easier. Let's make it super easy. In fact, you never have to move. Yeah. And then, oh, food. Wow, we can make it taste so damn good. And you can have any flavor and we can do it. And so we're really, we're literally suffering the consequences of us figuring out, this is what we want. And of course, it's not what we need. It's what we think we want. So like eight sleep, it cracks me up because it's literally tech. Yeah. That's like, okay, you live in the modern world. That's amazing tech. I mean, it's funny as you're describing all of the metrics and everything. I couldn't help but think when we leave to go travel and go elsewhere to do content and whatnot. Courtney will have Arlo sleep in bed with her, you know, just a protection thing. It'd be so funny to see the breath score. Yeah. It's going to mess up your algorithm. Yeah, exactly. You're going to screw everything up. I didn't think about that. That's pretty funny. I wonder what his temperature is. Are you sleep best? Of all the cool, I mean, you know how neat, like when I think back the last like eight, nine years for us and like all the cool biohacking tools and things that we've messed with and we've got given to us. But by far that has to be one of the best investment ones out of all, like, I mean, and I guess this really depends on who you are. Maybe not you. Like maybe you're somebody who sleeps great already. Maybe you're somebody who's not affected by temperature but I'm ultra sensitive to the temperature. Like it's, you know, it's crazy about this. I'll be here for me too. I mean, that is literally breakthrough technology. It is absolute insane breakthrough technology. It uses AI to adjust all the things it can adjust so that it maximizes your individual sleep. Do you know what it's going to be like at some point in the near future? There's going to be tech that's going to be able in real time tell you the kind of workout, the intensity, the weight you should use, the diet you should eat today right now. The perfect dose individually for you. Yeah, like you'll literally have a watch and it'll be like, you need to have 16.7 grams of protein, this many carbs, this many, whatever, to maximize whatever. Oh, stop your workout. You've reached your threshold or today take the day off. It's going to be like that. Well, I mean, what you're pointing out too is what, and you know what I think? We'll have just as many fat people. We're going to have all the answers. We'll turn all the sensors off like that. It won't matter. That's why, like, I mean, this is too, like this is why I always get annoyed by the, you know, Instagram, TikTok. I have a darker thought around this. Oh yeah. I mean, when you, it's like people are always debating, like, and arguing online over the science, right? And it's like, that's not the problem. Like, it's not a lack of awareness. Like, all these tools are awesome. And I like more awareness and I like the tools, but it's not what's going to solve the problem for people. It's behavioral. Of course. That's where the problem is at. Like, you can get, and so we're just going to keep getting to this place where we're closer. I mean, I think we're going to be able to walk into your bedroom in the future and something will get, oh, welcome, Adam. And then the whole, the humidity, the temperature, my bed, everything gets optimized, you know, immediately for me specifically. Like we're going to have stuff like that. No doubt, but it's not. So here's my darker thought on that. My darker thought is like, do you know what happens when you take a lion that's been born and raised in captivity and you put it out in the wild? Yeah, I can't hunt. It dies. Yeah, cause it can't hunt. You can't survive. 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It's actually, I wanted to have this off air, but fuck it, we'll just have it on air right now. I've been meaning to talk. He's just perked up Doug right there. Well, I've been wanting to sell you on watching sports more, right? And I had this thought with my buddies the other day. I just like, and I know you love to always tie everything back to evolution, right? You do such a great job of like evolutionary, this is why you just did it with the fire and lights. And so with that, sports has to be the greatest example of real-time your ability to look at real-time evolution. What do you mean? Because of how much, as humans, we put towards optimizing the athlete or the person, everything from training the body to nutrition. Finding a better body type. That in decades, we see leaps that you don't see things that take hundreds of years, thousands of years of evolution for the body to change or things to happen. You actually get the ability to see, in my lifetime, I've seen the humans evolve athletically to a, like if you looked at basketball, just in 1950 something, and you compared it today. Nobody lift the weights, it was like, what? So like the bulls. What they've got the body to be able to do, like, you could not pluck that guy from 1950 and put him in today's game. Even in the 1970s and 80s, yeah. That's what I'm saying is like, and look at what we do in extreme, X-game sports, like with the, I mean, it was just a couple decades ago when it was great, our heads exploded. Somebody did a backflip on a bike and our heads exploded. Now you have guys landing three of those now. We talked about the snowboard guy the other day who did the 360s or whatever, like, I mean, and why that is is because, you know, evolution happens naturally over time, like the weaker, the stuff dies off and only the strong stuff keeps going. Well, sports, you force that, like you hyper. There's also a mental, what's really weird about humans is, like just how powerful the mind is, like the most famous example is the four minute mile. That's a great story in our mental capacity and evolution. Like literally, I mean, I'm sure people have heard this before. You make the impossible possible. It was debated as to whether or not, and there were scientists that literally came out and said it is impossible physiologically for humans to run faster than a four minute mile. There was all these debates or whatever. Rogers Bannister, I think was his name, was the first person to break it. Once he broke it, and I think he got three minutes in 59 seconds or something like that, right? Yeah, and this was like dirt tracks. Yeah, but once he broke it, that next year, I think two other people broke it. Now I think we have high school track. We do, we have high school kids that do it every year. Like it's no big deal. And that is your, that's another great example of like how in sports, there is this, collection of humans that are hyper-focused on one task and evolving it and pushing the boundaries and limits every single day and looking for ways to optimize every little aspect of it that shaving a fraction, I mean, it's the greatest example of evolution fast forward. Like think about that. Like there's nothing else I could think of in the world that gives you a glimpse of that in real time. We have to look back at history books or tell old stories of, oh, it used to be this way and now we've evolved to this way. But you actually kind of get a little bit of a glimpse of that when you watch sports. You know the belief around athletes used to be in the early Olympics, the belief was that the perfect athlete was, I think, five, nine, 160 something pounds. For all sports. Yeah, like that's the perfect athlete. And then they started to figure out like, no, no, if you do, you know, shot put, you're probably gonna look like this. If you do distance, you're gonna look like this. Crossfit kept that standard, though. But anyways, like talking about evolution. I had to throw that jabbed in a long time. I haven't jabbed in a long time and I just felt that opportunity. The evolution of TVs. Have you guys seen like to speak positively about like technology? So instead of just like a big screen, I'm not talking about projectors or anything. There's this new technology where I guess like the background of whatever's being portrayed on screen, they can basically make it see through. So saying like you have a white background, but you have the actual like physical dimensions of whatever object is on there. Like behind it, you can see through the TV to the wall. Oh, so you can see stuff. It's like opaque, like behind. You can see stuff, but then. So basically it's being projected on a clear screen. It's like a glass screen. Yeah, it's like, it's like a clear screen, but then the images are actually just the images. What's it called? It's not like black background. It's not like white background. It's like transparent. Do you have a name? Why would I want to see my wall though? I want to see an example of this. Yeah, it was on TechCrunch. It was like an article about it. Do you know what the TV is called? They have like the new, I don't know. Well, look at my nose. Andrew or Doug, maybe five minutes. I want to see this. I know I want to see two because I'm trying to get an example of like how this. Did I'm thinking of one? It sounds cool. It's kind of hard to describe, you know. Without visually showing it to you guys. I mean, I talked to you guys about the TVs now that are the wireless and everything like that. That's kind of cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, you guys find it. To me right now, I'm envisioning watching a movie. And there it is. I see a transparent TV. What's it called? You can text it to you, by the way, from Justin. Yeah, it seems to me I can put up on the screen. Yeah. No, I'm just going to keep it to myself. Keep you guys wondering. Cool stuff, but I'm not going to show you. Cool story, dude. Did I tell you the other day my dad tried to take a picture of my phone screen on his phone? He's like, oh, let me get that real quick. And he goes and takes a picture of my phone. Somebody just did that to me. I'm like, transparent TV is what it's called. I could text that to you. What is it? Pull it up. Let's look at this. Yes, it is a transparent TV. So basically you can just see through it. Right, it's like a glass then. Yeah. It's very interesting. That's really cool, dude. I would never thought like a movie. I guess if you're not watching movies, it would be a cool art piece, right? OK, so I'm trying to think of like, I mean, it looks cool. Yeah. You wouldn't want to watch movies like that, though. Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's interesting because the background is basically missing from the image that's being projected there. Right, so it could look like a fish tank or something like that. Yeah, so if I was watching a movie, what would that look like? You wouldn't want a movie like that. Yeah, I don't know if a movie would work. I think it might just be... Because you know how like the portraits, so like Samsung had the ones that were like frame TV. The wallpaper. Yeah, it almost looked like a painting or whatever. I think it's maybe it's just like the setting for art. You know what this would be cool for? I'll tell you right now what I think. This is how I think it would be it. No, what? No, that's where your brain always goes. No, it isn't. That's not even a funny joke. It's not even funny, man. It's not funny. That's what makes it hell. Because you know it's not. You know. I'm sorry to go into it anyway. I haven't watched any of that in months. OK, go ahead, go ahead. Anyway, so I put it would be cool like a department store, the windows of the department store where you're looking in and you can see in the department store, but they can display whatever they want on these screens. Right. I don't know. I feel like there's creators that will see an opportunity here to like make things for that specifically. How would you? I don't know what the benefit of that looks like. What was the benefit of that? You don't feel like you're in your house. I don't feel like you're talking about, bro. The action going on, not the furniture. Does the Oculus porn ever take off? Did that take off? That was a thing. You know, I don't when it came out. I gotta tell you, I'm trying to find an expert. I'm actually having our team pursue someone to talk about pornography. You need an expert for that? Well, no, it's on the damage it causes and the negative. I know you talk about that. Oh, dude, the data is insane. You guys know this is it's one of the worst things in society right now for mental health, both for men and women. Do you know what the rate of divorce? You want to know this? How much the rate of divorce goes up if one or both of the partners watch pornography? Doubles. Wow. Doubles. It's insane. What if it's like, okay, I'm not going to say it. Is it even allowed to review it yourself? What if it's yours? Anyways, yeah, what if you guys are filming? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Justin, stop. All right, I'm going to change directions here. So my daughter, my, let's see how old is she now? 14 months old. By the way, when you stop saying months, at what point? After two years. After two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're two and that's it. Dude, once you turn one, let's like stop it. This is my child, he's 76 months old. Well, you know why? You know why it is? Because of clothing size. That's right. Because clothing size goes all the way to 24 months. That's right. Yeah, so it's like. I get it because it's big developmental. Yeah, yeah. And then by the time you're two, you're toddler. So my 14 months old. I still refuse to start. My 14 month old, we've moved to, she eats food, regular food, so hard food. And then now we're giving her milk. And I give her raw milk. So I go to Sprouts over here. Whole Foods doesn't even care anymore. And she drinks raw milk. I talked about this a long time on the podcast, a long time ago, probably eight or seven years ago on the podcast. I thought I should bring it up again. The benefits of raw milk versus traditional milk. And I looked up some data. Oh yeah. Digestive enzymes are in there. Yeah, when they cook it bro, they could take away all the goods. So here's real quick. Here's why milk is pasteurized. Long time ago, when milk started becoming mass produced, people in the U.S. were cramming these cows into these small, tight spaces. They were feeding them the waste. They were feeding them the waste products from breweries. They used to call it brewers mash. That's what they would feed the cows. The milk was so bad it would come out with a blue tint. Okay. And it was full of bacteria because the cows themselves were diseased and kids and people would get sick and die. Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization. By the way, which he did was supposed to be used for, I think it was for beer or something else. They ended up using it for milk because it allowed these people to sell sick, bad milk to the public because you'd boil it or whatever. Boom, no bacteria. Now everybody can have it. Then they passed laws and said, all milk has to be pasteurized or whatever. This is a complete scam, okay? Healthy cows, healthy cows do not produce milk that is dangerous. In fact, it's also far healthier for you. So I brought up some data. And so I don't feed my kids when they're little. I don't give them regular whole milk. I give them raw milk. So check this out. There was a study that was published and this is for allergens, okay? Children who drink raw milk versus traditional pasteurized milk are 50% less likely to develop allergies. And 41% less likely to develop asthma, okay? That's just for that. It improves skin health. It prevents nutrient deficiencies. I bet you guys didn't know this, but raw milk contains more calcium, more magnesium, more potassium. And a lot of the nutrients in milk are destroyed through the pasteurization process. So, and also homogenization, which is raw milk, if you let it sit, the fat separates from the rest. And so you get cream on top. You have to shake it before you serve it. You know this, Adam, because you used to milk cows. Homogenization, they force the milk through this process where it squeezes the fat into such small particles that it stays suspended in the milk so it no longer separates. Well, what that does is it increases the odds of the fat getting oxidized. So the fat also can become more damaging in traditional whole milk versus raw milk. So raw milk is just, now, why am I telling you this? So my daughter, we give her raw milk. Jessica went to visit some family in Vegas when they were out there, couldn't find any raw milk, ended up getting traditional whole milk, drank it when she came back. It was late at night, store wasn't open, so we went to a place that was open to add some regular milk. So my daughter was drinking regular milk and she drank it for like a week or whatever and she started to develop a little bit of eczema. Now she has a tendency to have it, but the eczema was kind of getting worse. And Jessica was like, oh, what is going on? Like, I didn't change her diet. And I'm like, oh, it's the milk. Quick, I threw out that old crap, got the raw milk, eczema's gone within a few days. Crazy, crazy stuff. Do you see that article I sent you about milk? No, cheese. Did you send it to me? Yeah. No, it was like any new article, groundbreaking article about cheese. Extending life. You are the now the groundbreaking guy with all cheese. Just as he's gonna send us a cheese sponsorship I'll be mad at some point. They've never approached me. Well, the raw company did, they did. Yeah, yeah, the raw milk company sent us all kinds of free stuff. Love that, love that. I mean, it was kind of weak. I mean, it was just kind of talking about all, you know, all the nutrient benefits from like even the probiotic benefits and you know, a lot of the amino acids. And so it was just basically saying, you know, a lot of what you're talking about with the raw milk side is similar to like the benefits you get from cheese. But the draw it out is like extending life. I thought the pasteurization of modulation also degraded the protein too. And lower the total. There's some discussion about that, but check this out. So here I got the stats now. Pasteurized milk has up to 66% loss of vitamin A, D and E. Vitamin C loss of about 50%. The heat affects water soluble vitamins and can make them 38% to 80% less effective. Vitamin B6 and B12 are completely destroyed during pasteurization. It also destroys beneficial enzymes, antibodies and hormones. And it destroys lipase, which is an enzyme that breaks down fat, which means you don't absorb the vitamin A and D as well. And then the homogenization increases the potential for oxidation of the fat. You also said loses magnesium too, didn't you? You said that. I didn't see that here, but yeah. You said that too. Yeah, so. I think of that too. Like the common things, B vitamins, magnesium, like 60% of people are. Real raw milk. I mean, if you can tolerate it, obviously a lot of people can't have milk, but a real raw milk is a super food. I mean, that's a fact. There's whole cultures that survived off of milk. If you can have milk and it doesn't, you don't have an allergy or intolerant to it, you could live off of milk. I mean, you could almost live completely off of milk. That's the unfortunate part. Milk has got a bad name or a bad rap because of what we've done to it. So do you wanna know what else? If you go on forums, because that went down the rabbit hole again, and I haven't done this in a while on raw milk, there's all these forums of people who are like, oh, dairy milk is me acne, right? People milk does this. They switched to raw milk, acne gone. It wasn't the milk. It was the fact that it was pasteurized and homogenized and it changed everything. By the way, do you know raw milk doesn't go sour? Yeah, you can have it forever. It turns into like butter. Yeah, it becomes butter milk. Whereas regular milk actually goes sour. And that's because raw milk has beneficial bacteria, whereas pasteurized milk has no bacteria. No bacteria. Crazy. So crazy. I didn't hear you say either. It also destroys the digestive enzymes that are in there, which is part of what help people digest. A lot of people who think they can't, you have lactose, there's some lactase in raw milk. Now, if you're fully lactose intolerant, you can't do it, but some people are like, oh, crap. When I have raw milk, I'm totally fine. Well, even goat milk, I've heard people are able to absorb and they're not reactive to that versus dairy milk. Have you guys seen, if you guys want any evidence that there are definitely elements of our laws and governments that are just absolutely crazy. Have you ever seen, I think it's, I want to say it's the FDA. You ever seen them go in and raid a raw milk farm? Oh, you just like smash all the bottles and... Really? Yeah. It's like a drug bust. It's like they're going in to a meth house. That's ridiculous. Oh, they're armed, fully armed. Really? Kicking, look at us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug, look up a raw milk farm raid. Gustapo. You would be here in our country? In America. Yeah. That's weird. I just couldn't have it done a bunch of crazy shit. Well, I mean, I was around that industry, right? So I don't, you would think that... Did you guys sell raw milk or did you guys pasteurize? Organic, no, we were organic raw, dude. And raw? Yeah. Yeah, we have both. And almonds, it was all... Remember, I told you when... So, well, it's crazy. You know, I didn't know what organic was until I worked there. Shipping raw milk across state lines has been illegal since the 80s, but the crackdown really started in the 2000s. Now, what's funny about this is, it says, oh, E. coli and salamonola outbreaks. When you look at all the consumption of raw milk and look at how many people get sick from it and then the consumption of regular milk, it's actually far safer. The propaganda is crazy. It's like E. coli, it's always like spinach. Yeah, like somebody didn't wash their vegetables and then they handled it and then got in your food. Yep, yep. But you got to look up Doug videos of these raids because they're ridiculous. It looks like a drug raid going on like the... Whatever, what's the name of that agency that breaks down? What's unfortunate for them, too, is that there's very minimal margins in that space, too, and the regulations are so high and they make it so difficult for someone to be really successful doing something like that. Yeah, look at this. They'll come in, guns drawn. Dude, what? Then they'll take their shit. Look at that, guns drawn, bro, that's a farm. Are they even armed? This is a farm, bro. Why are they pointing guns at them? Yeah, dude. That's ridiculous. It's like prohibition videos where they're kicking down things of alcohol stuff. It doesn't, yeah, exactly. Isn't that wild? Did you ever drink the milk straight? Like, did you ever pour yourself a glass of milk? Every morning I used to squirt it into my coffee. Really? Yeah, yeah. That's how I would get my cream. I was like, delicious. It's delicious, dude, because it's already warm and it's creamy. Yeah. Right into my coffee. Oh, yeah. I wish I could have dairy. Justin's still, that's disgusting, Justin. What? So when I was a part of that, they were number three of the eight only organic dairies in all of California. They still exist? That company, no, no. What they do? Remember, I told you the husband and wife, the wife was sleeping with my friend. Oh, stop. Yeah, yeah. He's there for an off-air story. Oh, God, dude, that sucks. I do remember the story. Yeah, you remember the story, yeah. A little sidebar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, side... Yeah, no, they're not around. It's like a Netflix special? Yeah, it's a Netflix. I've got a couple of those. Dark milk. To the dairy industry, the cannabis industry, the fitness industry. I'm pretty sure I could do three documentaries. More like a Hallmark channel. You've seen the dark... Come at me, Netflix. You've seen the dark, the dark underbelly of, like... I would expect... You know what, I'm so jaded. You know what I'm saying? About everything, you know? You get rude relationships. I should still grumpy all the time. I wouldn't trust anybody. I would expect the wheat industry, you know? But the fitness... I was in the fitness industry, so I know how shitty it could be, but I didn't expect the milk industry. Yeah, dude, it's just a shady gangster It's really sad. It's really unfortunate. That's crazy. But yeah, I was a part of that early on. I didn't know what organic was until that. Like, I learned about organic food and what that meant working with it. Were you the only... Was there anybody else milking when you were doing that? When I started, it was only me. So I was like... Their first hire, I was their first, like... How many cows did you have to do? 130 something. What? By all day? You don't do it all by hand. I was gonna say. You prep them and then you hook them to a machine. Oh, yeah. I don't know, bro. I see cartoons. You could maybe do three in a day. Massive forearms. I mean, so there has been times where you have to milk a cow like that by hand, because let's say they have some sort of a disease. There's a technique, too, right? You don't want to get into it. You don't just squeeze it in the milk. Oh, yeah, no, like I guarantee if we all went there right now and... We would all not be able to do it. You would not be able to get the milk out. You would be like, it's not working. Why is this not working? At least for the transitional... You'd be like, what? Topic there, Doug. Big forearms, you guys know there was actually a real guy behind Popeye? No. Yeah, they based it off of a real-life person. You know that was one of my favorite cartoons? Oh, mine, too. My grandpa actually did a really good impression of him. I have good memories of him. What was the initiative on the spinach? Was that like spinach? No, no. This is what... Because I thought that was a big marketing ploy. Like big spinach. Brilliant, big spinach. They came in and they really got everybody. I thought it was because kids lacked iron and that was the way of getting kids to have more. So he actually would... So he was like a sailor. He actually came back to the States. I want to see the real Popeye. He would put like a pipe in the corner of his mouth and he'd tell these kids these tall stories of like his physical strength feats and all these things like that he did overseas. Is that him? Yeah, it looks like him. Yeah, exactly. And then he actually based a lot of the strength feats. He would tell them that it was because he ate all his spinach. Like he actually would describe what you see in the cartoons. Like that was like his real persona. And then somebody took that and put it in onto a cartoon form. Now, I never understood why they made his forearm so big and the rest of them normal. Yeah, I don't know that either. Like in the cartoon, it was all forearm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, he would be a great milker. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, you know what, funny because I never thought about that. You know when you tell the story? What's it say? Great depression. It was to prompt children of all ages to eat more spinach. OK, I think it was because at this point, iron deficiencies were a big deal and meat was very hard to come by. Yeah. And so they were like, we got to get kids to eat more spinach. Yeah, I'm sure. Which, by the way, is a terrible way to get iron. Yeah, I'm sure there was they saw that opportunity and we're like, yeah, you know, let's let's push this. But like he actually put that in his story. So he was it was all like authentic. Back when cartoons sold somewhat healthy food. He had bugs, bugs, carrots and. Yeah, now we just get like fruit loops and like all this like just sugary cereal. I saw Popeye the cartoon because I was so into getting strong or whatever is solely the reason why I developed a taste for spinach. I hated spinach when I was a kid, I thought it was bitter and gross. Yeah. Watched Popeye and then it would ask, please make me spinach. And my whole family thought I love spinach. I don't love. Nobody knew how to cook vegetables. Yeah, in no boomer. No, I challenge any boomer that listens to this. Like, like if they knew how to cook vegetables, they boil them. They didn't know what they were doing. Or then they slap a lot of butter and just put cheese up the microwave came out and that was how we made vegetables. You throw cheese on top of it. Exactly. Well, the kids will like it if I just douse it in all this. My family's Italian. We always had good food. Well, yeah, no, you guys know how to. I guess I can't really challenge that. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. If you're Italian, you're American. Yeah, yeah, we do like fucking don't eat on top of it. Disgusting. I seriously think we did. I think we did. I mean, they make everything turn into Jell-O. What's the plastic wrapper cheese? What's that? What's that? American cheese. Craft, craft, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, can I just say something right now? I have fond memories of bologna. First of all, what the fuck is that? It's literally a large hot dog slice. That's what you think about, right? Yeah. Bologna and craft singles cheese, mayonnaise, Wonder Bread sandwich. It would go in my bag, right, when I go to school and then it would be slightly melted by the time of lunchtime. Oh my God, that's disgusting. And I mean, I must have developed like a, like even right now, I'd be like, that kind of sounds like you should be eating it. Like I could eat that. You know what I mean? It would make me go, oh, you know, I just have a memory. No, thanks. Well, I kind of have that with peanut butter and jelly sandwich, like only because that was the only thing I knew how to make and like, apparently you figure it out, get your own. PB and J, I tell you, when I was competing and I needed to hit my calorie intake, a fight that like PB and Js became like a. They're good. I brought that back. That was something I ate a lot of kids. Did you guys do the jelly with the fruit chunks in it or just jelly? I did it all, you know, whatever it is. Even when you were a kid, you didn't mind the fruit chunks. Remember, they're the one that were mixed together. They had like goobers or had like jelly and. Lazy. How lazy do you have to do that? Yeah, I was like, what? Why? Just lazy. Hey, when you make a peanut butter and jelly, do you do the peanut butter or the jelly first? Oh, I do the peanut butter first. What? Yeah, you're the only weird one here, bro. Bro, no, you do not. You always do jelly first because the jelly wipes off on the bread and you have no jelly on the knife anymore. This is almost as bad as you sit down on the toilet. Oh, you guys are so wrong here. It is always jelly first. You know, you think like a girl. I mean, it makes sense. That could be a compliment. It makes sense. I know. If you do peanut butter first, you'll never get peanut butter off it. And then now you get peanut butter in the jelly jar. If you go jelly first, you can wipe off on the bread and you have a. You are that guy. You are that guy. Fuck it, Joseph. At least that means. Never is allowed to make peanut butter jelly at my house. Never is allowed to make peanut butter jelly. That's not what I would do. I always use two knives. Well, I always use two knives to make you a nice meal, Adam. The bachelor guy who only has four dishes is going to do it. You got fucking Justin Lick in the knife. You got Doug Waston still wearing it. You have no excuse. Hold on, no, no, no, hold on. Let's be real, though. I didn't make my own set. That's why you were puzzled. He's got the crust off. I asked you guys. I asked you guys the triangles. Doug fired right away. You know what you did. I was like, I'll just copy them. What would I do? What did I do? You know, Adam, you do make sense. This might go down to the same quality of advice as your dishwash. It is. If you don't know that, I remember the first time someone taught me that. That was like, oh my god, why would I ever do peanut butter first? Because I always get peanut butter in the jelly jar. But if you go jelly first, you wipe it off on the bread. And jelly comes right off the knife. I think you just changed a bunch of people's lives. Congratulations. And the truth is, I should call my mom right now to ask her, because I didn't make it. Ask your mom. I feel like your mom did. We should do that on air, dude. And you feel like you definitely fucking licked the knife. I definitely. I fucking readily admit it, dude. And then my brother would make one after you. Yeah, I know, bro. I'm fucking just as disgusted, dude. Just like, I don't know what you're talking about. Get back here and put it right on. I was disgusting. I would take the milk and just drink it right out of the gallon all the time. And everybody would catch me and get all pissed off. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. I bet it caused all kinds of fights tonight. Sorry. You know, he's in the same trajectory as me. Really? I have to check him on all these things. It's hard, dude. It's payback. It's hard to watch. Dude, we were watching. So every night, we kind of listen to music. So I told you guys before, he was starting to sing and get into that in the shower and all that. And so Spotify has it where you can pull their lyrics up and you can see the long, almost karaoke. So we started to do that. And he was laughing about singers that have a really low voice. We started like Johnny Cash. And then it was like, oh, you should check out like Barry White. And you should check out like Isaac. I forget his name, Isaac. But he did Shaft, the theme song. And so I'm like, oh, yeah, Shaft. He's one bad mother. You know, shut your mouth. And I'm like, oh, this will be great, dude. He'll get a kick out of this. And so we started playing it. It's a really long intro, you know? And it's just like getting in the whole funk and everything. And then I actually sent Doug the lyrics because this just like popped up and we started to sing it. And then I saw right away, I was like, oh, what is it? Please, Doug. Okay, I'm just reading this. Okay. Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks, Shaft, you're damn right. Who is the man that would risk his neck for his brother man, Shaft? Shaft. That's great. Can you dig it? I can dig it. Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about? Shaft. Shaft. So far so good. He's one bad mother. Right on. He's the opener, really. They say this cat, Shaft, is a bad mother. Shut your mouth. Yeah, that's good stuff. Yeah, that's good stuff. But I'm talking about Shaft, then we can dig it. He's a complicated man, but no one understands him, but his woman, John Shaft. Oh, that's good stuff. That's beautifully done. Whenever I hear can you dig it, I just think of the Warriors. Remember that scene? Can you dig it? That's a great scene. That's a great scene. I tried to show you guys the other day. Did you guys like movies, like the Warriors when you were kids? Yeah, yeah, I mean I. I never watched it. There was a few. I've never seen the Warriors. I have never seen the Warriors. I've never seen the Warriors. I've never seen the Warriors. You've talked about it before, but I've never been compelled by the spirit. Whenever you're talking about movies, Doug and I never go watch it. Hold on a second. You've seen the Warriors. I always put those in a category of like, yeah, I won't watch it now. You've seen the Warriors. No, I haven't. I've never watched it. I thought you saw it when you were kid. No, no, no. I said a movie you would like as a kid. Yeah. Not now. Now you watch it. It's cheesy. You've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Okay, but you liked, what's that? Yeah, I liked all the break dancing. Electric or breaking. Breaking, like New York or whatever. Those are good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got into the gang movies, dude, because I thought I was badass. I saw the Warriors, then I saw, well, The Outsiders was the best one. That's a good movie. You guys have seen The Outsiders. I've seen parts of it, so I haven't seen it. I don't think I've ever watched it. You haven't seen The Full Outsiders? Yeah, I don't think I've watched any of those. Do I pull up the cast of The Outsiders? No, I know everyone's in it. You will not find a movie with more superstars. Yeah, no, it's stacked for sure, I know that. You will not find a movie with more superstars. I guess like one of those shows that it's been on TV since we were kids, like so many times, and I've probably caught parts of it, but I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've ever turned it on and said I'm gonna watch this movie. I literally thought like, I'm gonna be these guys as a kid. Yeah, Matt Dillon, C. Thomas Howell, Ralph Macchio. Macchio. Macchio. Doug, you break my heart every time. I'm sorry. Patrick Spade. I'm not Italian, Patrick Spade. Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise, Emilio Estevez. Dude, Tom Cruise, isn't that? Bro, oh yeah, oh yeah, dude. Wow. Yeah, I think he's Soda Pop. Matt Dillon was in that great movie. It was such a good movie. Anyway, I watched that, then I watched The Warriors, then I watched The Wanderers, which is a really cheesy gang movie. Yeah. But I totally got into that kind of shit. Yeah, it was a whole season there, where I was watching these, this is before the real gang movies, before like Boys in the Hood and shit like that. Yeah, I had a dad win. I wanted to share with you guys. Remember, I told you that I implemented this thing with Max, and you do these things and you always wonder like, is it worth what I did? Is it gonna pan out or is it gonna help at all or whatever? And he hadn't asked me to buy anything in quite some time and I came home last night and he's into this thing that my mom got him for his birthday. They're like number blocks and it's like it's a game and it's basically helping him with math and understanding like how you can turn nine into a cube still with three, three, three, like you can do, it's like a cool way. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it's like a hands-on, cool math game thing and he really is into it, right? And it comes with like the first 10 and then I guess you can buy additional stuff with that. And then he found out like after playing it with Katrina Flassidays and as soon as I walked in the door, Daddy, can you buy me this? Can you buy me this? I said, oh, you want me to buy that for you? And he goes, yeah, how many books do I need to read? I was like, ah, yeah, son. How many did you make him read? 10. Yeah, 10's the book, 10's. I mean, his books are pretty. The one I'm reading. Yeah, I gotta be careful because I gotta read them really well. How many books do you gotta read? I gotta read them right now. Eventually, we will up the ante when he's actually doing the work right now. See, this is the problem with the daughter. This is the pictures. This is my problem with daughters. My sons will say, can you buy me this? And they're like, ah, no, whatever. My daughter, my 14 year old doesn't even ask. Just send me a picture. I'll just get a picture. And I'll be like, oh, she wants that. Let me go on Amazon real quick. Jessica checks me. She's like, why do you keep doing that shit? Oh, look at that stuff. And then my youngest, my 14 month old or whatever, I'm ruined. I'm screwed with that little one. I know it. Oh, that's gonna be tough, man. I mean, is there, there's somewhat of a good side to that too, right? Because I think that whatever you do, dad-wise, you kind of set the bar expectations for the man. So I mean, the man that's going to be. She's going to be a shitty, she's going to have a boyfriend that's got a buyer waiting for her. That's not good either. You know what I mean? I mean, he's going to hate you. I'll watch him and come talk to me because I'll be cool with him. He's going to come and talk to me, like listen, Mr. DeStefano, like I love your daughter, but she just wants me to buy things for her all the time. I just can't, I just can't keep up. And it's just crazy, you know what I mean? We're three jobs. You know, I feel like she doesn't love me unless I buy her things and I'll be like, yeah, that's weird. She's used to the good life. Yeah, I don't know, that's kind of weird. Her dad gave it to her. Why, what a little horror, son. You ever think about putting her in those shifts? Yeah. Oh, fuck. Keep your ass, kid. Keep talking about that anyway. Did you know that there's a new male contraceptive that might be hitting the market soon? Doug, look up a male contraceptive testicle gel. Wow, testicle gel. Yeah, the inject this gel. You should do this. Into your, I'm going to get the actual. Wait, wait, wait, inject? What do you mean inject? That's where you use a needle and then you put it. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah. Really? They will put a gel. Why would you want to inject gel in your balls? Not in your balls, in the tube that brings the sperm, that brings the sperm down. So instead of cutting them, they put this gel in there and it blocks the sperm from coming through. And I guess the good thing about this is it's reversible. Resive asectomy, very expensive shitty process to try to reverse a vasectomy. How long does the gel last? That's a good question. We should look it up. I don't even know if it's approved yet. Yeah. What does that say, Doug? The gel contains two hormones, synthetic progesterone, which blocks natural testosterone production in the testes and reduces sperm production. The second, a replacement testosterone maintains. Oh, this is way worse than I thought. I'm not sure I ever want to use a cream on myself that is messing with my hormones. This is way worse than I thought. I interpreted as, it's called vasogel. What a terrible idea. Yeah, why would you put that on yourself? Hold on, start with the first picture. You're in that tube. So they inject it. It's blocking it, so it's basically like... Yeah, so vasogel is injected into the lumen, the hollow interior of the vast difference. Vasogel fills the interior, forming a soft semi-permeable gel barrier that nestles. I like all the words they use. It blocks the fuck out of your sperm is what it does. It's like a nice like Swiss Miss Coco, you know what I mean? Gently hugs your test. Nestles into the tiny folds in the walls of the vast difference. Sperm are too big to get through the gel barrier, so the sperm end up being reabsorbed by the body. Reversal has been shown in animals, but not yet in humans. To remove it, they dissolve it and flush it out with an injection of a simple solution. What the hell is that? So hold on a second. Is vasogel hormone or not? Was that the same thing that you were reading, Doug? Yeah, I believe it is. Look up vasogel. They say it's non-hormonal, so... Okay, so this is the one I saw. Yeah, it's probably that one. Because the other thing you pull up was something else. Yeah, I was like, I definitely would put nothing on this one. Oh my God, damn. So we checked from 2013. What is? This was this... From 2013? We're looking at it from Vasogel. I'll leave it to Sal to bring up some new cutting edge stuff. Check this stuff out from 1998. Thank you guys. Did you guys know we landed on the moon? Yeah. That's crazy. At the time, this was in research stages only. Okay. So is it still not approved? There might be more updates. Did you see a new article? It's a pass from me. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if maybe it's hit in the market now or something. You know, here's why I wouldn't do something like that. We don't know what the gel does, where it goes. And then why would... Why not just do a vasectomy then? Well, obviously it's hard to reverse. Is this why you're looking at this content? Because you had one scheduled, right? I do. It still do. No, to be honest with you, I wasn't looking this up. It popped up for some reason. These phones listen to us. That's what I got, bro. They hear you talking about. Swear to God. I 100% believe that. It's so weird. I don't know how many times this has happened recently now where we're having a conversation like this, and then I go to Google search it and I put the first letter in and it has the whole sentence of what I asked. And I'm like, that can't be possible. What does that say? For sure. The side effects, of course, this is from their website, are minimal. It does not have the side effects of a vasectomy and is not hormonal. So it does not have an influence on the body's hormonal system. The noticeable side effects could be a little bit of swelling after the injection. And a lot of unsatisfactory endings. Yeah. How do you reverse a vasectomy? We should look that up real quick. Just for me. Just see what that looks like. I'm pretty sure you just reattached the tubes. I'm pretty sure you just reattached the tubes. Nobody else cares, bro. Look at the value of it. Yeah, I'm looking at this gel. I mean, I wouldn't do it personally. It may cause permanent scarring or changes to the vas deferens and whether repeat injections could be done safely. Yeah. And if it's actually working, you know? Okay. So there's some concerns about that too. So good luck with that. So the vasectomy reversal is like a much more of an intricate surgery. That's what it is. Because cutting them is not a big deal apparently. But what are the side effects of vasectomy? Isn't it? There's some, Justin, what was it that prevented you from getting it? It was reduced volume. Literally, it was all psychological. I just was like, I didn't want to show up. You know, I was like, on my way to do it. And I just was like, nah. And you can't work out for like a few days, right? Or is it a week? Well, you know what too is because I've heard that, I mean the percentages where people actually still will get pregnant or, you know, it didn't really basically didn't like act as a contraception at that point. There was a lot of cases and having to do it again, I've heard stories of that. And so I was just like, I heard too many of my close friends that have done it. What happened? Yeah, like they, it didn't work. For one, they had another kid. Oh, shit. Yeah. And I was like, excuse me? Like, no, that's not, like I want like a guarantee. You know, like slap some guarantees on there. Wow. Wow. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, is it more or less than the tubes getting tied? Both financially and also protective wise. So tubes getting tied is a surgery? Well, that's more, that's the thing. That's more of a serious surgery versus, yeah, this is, what do they say, laparoscopic? It's like a pretty non-invasive. Yeah, it's boom, boom, boom, apparently. Apparently. I mean, they'll say that. I know. They'll say that. You'll feel the effects later. I'll tell the truth. All the women will make fun of you, you know, because you'll sit there with your little ice pack and little doughnut. Yeah, I'll tell the truth. Well, you just say, envision someone kicking you in the nuts and see how that makes you feel. No, it can't be that painful. Well, I'm just saying, like, that's how sensitive that area is. It's just the thought of that bothers that area. I feel like it will be like an achy. It's the tube. The ball doesn't get touched. It's the far away. It's the tube. Yeah. So they cut where? Like where you're, like in the Bonch area, I think. Oh, in the Bonch area. Underneath? Or is it the top or the bottom? Well, you better get this clear. You guys are way different places. You're ones in North Pole, South Pole, where you had a guy. Under? I have no idea. Where are they going to go? I thought they go in. I thought they're somewhere in the balls and the shafts. No. No. It's below, you think? The upper part of the scrotum under the penis. OK, so it's in between. It's right in between. OK, so it's above the nut. Yeah, but that's, I mean, that's right in. That's not the ball, though. I mean, it's not in it, but I mean, that's close enough. Are we trying to talk me out of it? You want me to imagine? You guys know that. You should be convincing me to get it. Oh, it's like lift up the hood, you know? OK, anyway, we're going to switch over to. Hey, do you guys see Hulk Hogan got baptized? Maybe your best transition in a long time. Yeah, brother. He did, he got baptized. Really? He did. Really? Born again. Finally, he's a brother in Christ. Now, OK, is this like pretty recent news? Yeah. OK, so I think it happened like last month. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And it was really nice. It was really, did you watch the video? Yeah, I did see that. Yeah, I've seen I've seen a few celebrities now kind of going into that. What is going on? There's a cultural shift happening right now. Yeah, you've been saying this, so give you the credit. You know, you've been saying that there's this massive culture shift and we're seeing it. And, you know, is it or has it just gotten so bad? The other side that we cling on to these few stores? No, I think that's what's causing it. Who was it? Andrew, was it you that said that you had a pastor friend that said that all their, all the services are packed now? Yeah, well, the church I go to in Santa Clara. I think it's Santa Clara. Yeah, there's a couple of different locations. There's one in East Coast and West Coast. And the pastor there, he talked a lot about how in the last couple of years, basically, there's been a lot more people showing up than ever in both locations. There's a lot of people feeling like there's some kind of like a spiritual war going on. And the culture is polarizing in either direction. So in fact, I was talking to, that's who the shout out is today, Father Steve, he's one of the producers of the Word on Fire podcast. Love this guys. He's one of the nicest, best people in the world. Super cool guy. He's also jacked, which is really cool. Like when we first went in there to interview Bishop Barron, I remember he got my attention. There's just something about that, about seeing like, like he's like a love priest. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's kind of cool. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, this guy's, this guy's legit. But anyway, he's such a nice guy. He's got a great account on X. 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And if you go through our link, you'll get a free sample pack with any order. Go check them out. Go to drinkLMNT.com forward slash mind pump. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Dana from North Carolina. Hi, Dana. How can we help you? Hi, guys. I'll just get right into it. I went through menopause at the early age of 37. After having to get radiation in my hip and pelvis, my, my capacity for exercise ability to recover and build muscle have been impacted. I was a triathlete for nine years until it was diagnosed with metastatic lung cancer. I recently underwent a hip replacement in June of last year. So my overall fitness level right now is less than ideal, compounded by the postmenopause stuff. I haven't been in a gym to do weight training in quite some time. I've tried some of the Peloton strength classes, but it's hard to keep up with the pace. There's a lot of hit and a lot of changing body positions really quickly. So I'd love to hear some advice that you all have for experience with working with post-op hip replacement surgery clients and getting stronger in different ways while healing and taking into consideration the postmenopause. Dana, thank you so much for calling. You've been through a lot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah, what do you, do you, now you work and it looks like you work in the medical field? I do. I work in the ICU. I'm a physical therapist. Oh, wonderful. Okay, good. So you know, you have a good idea around kind of correctional exercise and whatnot. Okay, so your young woman, you've been, your body's been through some tremendous stress even before the diagnosis you trained as a triathlete and I've trained a few triathletes and they are, I would put them near the top of athletes that tend to just overdo it with exercise and stress. And I mean, it's just kind of part of the sport. I remember the first time I had a client who was a triathlete, the miles that he logged for running, biking and swimming, and then he wanted to work out with me. I know, that's unreal. And it was, yeah. And it was, it was almost like, it was a puzzle. I was like, well, what do I do? How do I add more physical stress to this person's body without completely overwhelming their ability to adapt and recover? And so what I did is I dramatically reduced all of the other stuff that he did and I trained him, and this is not an exaggeration, we did about 35 to 40 minutes worth of strength training a week. And now this was a long process of really trying to figure this out. As again, this was one of my first clients that trains, in fact, he was in the medical field as well as ear, nose and throat specialists. And when we did that, when we finally hit the right amount, not only did he feel good, but his numbers just went through the roof. I mean, his speed went up, his strength went up, and it was, I remember how in disbelief he was because he's like, God, I'm doing way less than I've ever done, you know, as part of this training and I'm getting such better results. And that just really highlighted our, especially people, I would say in the medical field, I think there's a bit of a bias, self-selection bias, whether you're like yourself physical therapist or, you know, like I said, ear, nose and throat specialist, you just have this ability to ignore or withstand stress. You just, I mean, it's just a kind of part of it. Like you just go through it, you train your butt off, you study your ass off, you're tired, so what? Keep going, you know, and you just kind of make it happen. But that does have some potential ramifications you have to deal with. Someone like yourself, Dana, what we wanna do, and this is true for most people, but this is especially true for someone like yourself, is we want to enable your body's ability to heal. We want to enable your body's ability to adapt. So we really, really, really have to be careful with doing the absolute minimum amount required to make that happen. And that means we're gonna scale way back, probably so far back that you're even gonna feel uncomfortable with how little you're doing. But what you're gonna have to focus on is this. You're gonna have to focus on how you feel and your performance. If those are moving in the right direction, however little you think you're doing, that's gonna be the right amount. Now, as far as movement is concerned, you're a physical therapist. You know better than we do on what your movement limitations are gonna be. And I know when they do hip replacements, they're not exactly at all like a typical hip. There's gonna be some limitations on external rotation and abduction, all that stuff. So you have to train within those parameters. And you probably know when it's your hip joint versus when it's, you know, let's say muscle stability or strength. Is that accurate? Do you know that when you're moving? And you go, okay, that's my hip joint that has nothing to do with my muscles or strength. Yeah, it's hard. So I was so weak and I sent a video. It was the last minute thing. I didn't know if you guys wanted to look at what my walking was like before my hip replacement. It was hard for me to tell what was joint limitation versus what was pain versus what was just like, I mean, between the radiation and the pain. I mean, I just had like no hip flexor, no glute strength. It was really kind of embarrassing, especially because I work, I work with patients with neurological issues. So I'd be sitting there telling my patient, like stand on your leg. Meanwhile, I'm like, I can't really stand on my leg, but like you need to stand on yours. So it's hard and still is kind of hard for me to tell what's scar tissue from surgery, from radiation, what's just compensatory strategies over, you know, for many years now. Okay, so let's start like this. Typically what you start with is balance of stability. Then we start to move into like isometrics. I was gonna say then unilateral work, like I think symmetry would be such a good program for her. Potentially, right? Cause you would need to start with stability isometrics. Then you would do small movements, moving to bigger movements than moving to more traditional movements. So what it would look like is, you know, balance. Then it would look like balance while maybe doing some counter balance type stuff. So I'm gonna, let's say I'm gonna stand on one leg, right? That would be balance, right? Just basic. Another, then a progression from that would be standing on one leg while moving my arm out in front of me to the side. Or a band is distracting you. Migual plane, yeah. Yeah, or something like that. And then the next level would be, okay, can I push my leg into an immovable object? So I'm not moving it, but I'm abducting into this immovable object and creating tension and holding that for 15 seconds. Then the next level would be to move your leg out further to work on a different isometric contraction. So this will be the progression, okay? Then the next level would be just abduction, flexion, extension, and it would be kind of the single joint type of movement, just to kind of connect to things. And then the next level would be, can I sit down and stand up while maintaining stability and balance? And then you can move on to different exercises. We'll send you map symmetry, but you probably are gonna wanna start before that and slowly progress yourself. Now, we have some, I don't know if you wanna call them complications, but things to consider like the fact that you've gone through menopause. Are you on hormone therapy by any chance or is that contraindicated because, okay. So you're on hormones then, okay. So in that case, I would do what I said. Are you doing any of the exercise right now? She tried Peloton. I ride my bike. I have started doing Pilates, which is a really great way to just be anti-gravity, but still do something. Cause it is hard for me to squat and lunge without just looking like a complete ass hat for lack of a better word. So that's been really nice to be able to strengthen doing bridging, but then after a while, you're like, well, maybe I wanna do a squat, but like the bridging is okay. So those transitions are still kind of dicey. Yeah, okay. By the way, we used to manage gyms, and I can answer for my partners. We used to see people working out all the time. We'd see people squat four or 500 pounds. We'd see people do crazy things. Nobody was more impressive than the people that were in their challenge because of either a previous injury or because they had moving issues. So you don't look like an ass hat to anybody. If I saw you working out, you'd probably inspire the hell out of me. So let's be a little, be gentle to yourself. Okay, so I don't like Peloton for you. I don't like any kind of, that's fine to build like stamina. There's nothing wrong with that. It's repetitive in the same plane while we're trying to work on mobility in the hips. And it's not building strength. Maybe a little bit, and then that's it. And if anything, it may actually cause atrophy if you push that too hard. It's too much of a stress. I think you should do, Pilates is okay. I don't know how often are you doing Pilates? Twice a week. Okay, I would do, I would go Pilates once or twice a week, and then I would like all your energy should be towards what would be considered strength training. That could be isometrics. That could be stability, like I said, and that could be traditional strength training exercises. But it should be focused on getting stronger before you do any other form of exercise. That's what's gonna move you in the right direction. I mean, I really feel like you can follow symmetry and regress some of the potential hip stuff if you need to. And I think with your background, I think you're gonna know that as you go into, because there's obviously a lot of upper body stuff that I think you can follow as exactly how it's laid out. But as you get to some of these areas that where you might find yourself really challenged, you would regress back to do some of these stability moves like Sal's talking about. But I really think that program, like as far as the intensity, the frequency of training and stuff that I'd have you doing the type of movements, the fact that the whole first... It very gradually leads you into that. Yeah, the first phase is all isometric. So it's... That'll be a great phase of something. So I think that's, and here's something. Okay, what you might notice or what might be good for you is you might find when you get into some of the leg stuff that you might extend the isometric portion of the program longer. So in other words, as you follow the program, the isometric lower body portion is what you continue to do as you progress through the rest of the program with your upper body. Yeah, because you're gonna find you could probably start doing chest, shoulder stuff and move to phase two, no problem. But you might be hindered a little bit still in the lower body. And so just extend the phase of isometrics in there until you feel confident, okay, I can move to the next phase. I might even extend the program itself in terms of like the first three phases not even entertain the fourth phase for a while. So this would be like, run it multiple times in a row without doing the fourth phase. Yeah, I know that's great advice. Well, that's good structure though. Like as far as, I mean, if you were a client of mine we'd be doing a lot of isometric stability stuff. We would definitely not be doing bilateral. The frequency that it's laid out would look like that. The only thing different is I wouldn't do the final phase, but it's really, and then you'd be doing a lot of unilateral stuff. I would want, especially when we're doing lower body stuff. You've probably heard us talk about this, mirror the weaker side, right? So always start with the most challenging side for you. And if that only gets two or three reps, then you're only doing two or three reps on the other side or whatever you can do on the weak side, mirror that with a dominant side. That's the lead, that's the side that leads the rest of the body. Fatigue's your enemy in this, right? So you want to make sure every rep itself is very, you're fully recovered. You have full attention and focus for each one of those reps is we're re-patterning and we're re-establishing this solid, strong connection. Yeah, in other words, Dana, stop the set when your form moves away from perfect, not when you can't do any more reps or when you feel super tired. So it's like, I'm perfect form, perfect form, perfect form, I'm off, that's it. I'm gonna stop the set there, rest and repeat. If you move outside of perfect technique, that becomes the pattern that you start to then develop and train. And you will progress that way still, okay? The other thing too, training the rest of your body, there is a, of course, most of the strength building effects from strength training are localized to the area that you're training, but there also is a systemic effect. I don't know if you're familiar with the research on, there was a couple studies, one of them was amazing where they had, they immobilized somebody's arm, so like the simulated cast, then they had half the people strengthen the other arm and then the other half the people did nothing and the people that worked on the arm that was not immobilized reduced the amount of strength loss and muscle loss in the arm that was mobilized. So in other words, like, you know, some people are like, oh, I can't really work out my whole body, so I'm just not gonna work out at all. That's not true, training your upper body, training your other leg, whatever, that will also, there's a systemic kind of effect that happens as well. It's not just localized. Data, we have Doug's gonna send over a map symmetry to you. I'm also gonna have him put you in our forum too. That way, as you're going through the program, the process, if there's anything that you are challenged with, you have a question with, or if you even want to video doing some of the movements and share with us in there, one of us or Dr. Brink who's in there, who's a movement specialist, who's brilliant, will help guide you through that process. How is diet for you? Are you aiming for like a high protein diet? Are you trying to hit your target body weight and protein and all that? I appreciated your most recent, call it a program. Like, you can tell the age group that I hang out with people call them shows, but I still call them programs. The talk about protein and how really, it's really hard to hit protein. Like, if you're doing, like I'm trying to hit 115 and that's hard. I mean, if I get to 70, I'm like, this is really hard. And then I finally got to 115 for the first time two days ago and I was like, this is, it takes a lot of planning. So I am trying. It's, it's tricky. Dana, I want to, I'm going to hammer this home. Okay. Look at the data on branched chain amino acid supplementation, glutamine supplementation, leucine supplementation and then protein intake on recovery from injury or burns, like three to third degree burns or bed rest. The data is amazing. And what they'll show is like, oh my, okay. We took all these people who were in the hospital for surgery or injury or skin burn. And then we gave them branched chain amino acids or we gave them glutamine or we gave them some other amino acid. And the recovery was like 20 to 30% faster in some of these studies. And then there's studies on protein intake. Now the reason why the amino acid studies show what they show is because I mean, that's like getting more protein. Okay. So if as you're going through this process, hitting those protein targets, forget the whole like it makes me leaner and I build more, it will accelerate your body's ability to recover tremendously. This is not a nominal, this is not like a small effect. This is a very big effect. So really prioritize it. And 115 grams, I would say start your day off with like 40 grams of protein. And then you're like a big chunk of the way there. If you don't start your day off with like a 40 to 50 gram protein meal, as you know, it'll be hard to catch up the rest of the day. And of course try and do it from whole natural foods, but use shakes if you have to. Okay. All right. All right, Dana. Thank you so much for calling in. We'll see you in the forum. And I do want to tell you guys that since listening to your podcasts and going through like my own exercise limitations, you've really inspired me to explore starting an adaptive gym for patients with chronic near care partners. Cause I think that that's, I mean, we know how important it is for us to exercise, right? And then you have patients and their care partners who are, they're just physically not able to do it in the same way. And no one wants to go to a gym space. If they, that's if they did exercise before their injury. So that was my dream back in the day, Dana. That's exactly what I was trying to do back in the day. Are you attending or train the trainer? It's happening live. In fact, tonight's day three. Have you watched any of it? Because I think you'd love it. I think it'd be, yeah, you should definitely. Let's send her a link to some of those. And then yeah. It's mindpumptrainer.com, right? Okay. Oh, mindpumptrainer.com. By the way, when this airs, that's going to be passed, but that's okay. If she registers right now, she'll get it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just saying for the audience in general. Yeah, cause this airs, this airs much later. The audience is screwed, but you're okay. You're good, Dana. I don't care, I don't care about everybody else right now. So right now, we're focused on you. Go to mindpumptrainer.com and submit your email and then you'll get the recordings from Monday and Tuesday. But it's literally we're helping health and you don't have to be a trainer already. If it's something that you are aspiring to do, we're speaking to everybody as far as helping them. Yeah, especially if you want to open your own business, you'll love it. Yeah. Oh, great. Thank you guys so much. Thanks, Dana. Take care. Ah, so, you know, sometimes I just want to hug someone through the camera. Oh my God, she's been through a lot. Holy, she's 37, she's been through so much. It's brutal. And, you know, side note, to have a physical therapist ask us what they should do for exercise is... That's an honor, yeah. Super humbling. The best correctional exercise people have ever worked with in my entire life were physical therapists. I always credit the one I worked with, so... You know, what's interesting is that obviously she has a very special condition of everything that she's been through. But the advice is very similar to what we would tell anybody that is extremely deconditioned or rehabbing anything else. It's like, and what will probably be the most challenging thing for her is the challenge of she's a triathlete, right? Well, she's a triathlete, physical therapist. She's a killer. Yeah. So for her to know, like, I'm going too far, that's going to be hard. Yeah, and in doing things like isometrics can be torturous for somebody like this just because, and she's going to be tempted to want to do more or to rest less. Everything's revolved around movement and isometrics, you're not moving. Yes. So this is a totally different mindset you've got to bring in. But if she stays the course, we have her in the forum, so hopefully we can keep her focused on the big picture and can't wait to see her. And then we didn't focus on the menopause, but when your body's building muscle and it wants to and the conditions are right, your body has to organize its hormones in a way to do so. And the hormonal profile that is muscle building is the hormone profile everybody's looking for, balanced, youthful, et cetera. Our next caller is Katie from Washington. Hi, Katie. How can we help you? Hi. How are you guys? Good, good. How can we help you? What's going on? Yeah, so I'll give you a little bit of background. So growing up, I was always a big athlete. I played sports all through high school. In college, I went on to do a few marathons. And then in my late 20s, early 30s, I did a few bodybuilding competitions. And then in my mid 30s, I had two boys. And after the first one, my body bounced back right away. After the second one, though, it did not bounce back the way I wanted it to. The weight was just kind of hanging on. My sleep was horrible. I just couldn't sleep through the night anymore. And I just had an overall kind of feeling of I couldn't get back in shape. So a friend had recommended I go see this performance health coach who did a full blood panel. And he suggested that I do testosterone. He said that my testosterone levels were very low. And so he recommended that. He put me on 10 units, which I guess is a very small dose. So I started taking the testosterone after like two to three weeks. I started feeling really good. My energy in the gym was great. I was recovering from my workouts a lot faster. The weight was coming off. I was sleeping a lot better. So everything was going good. And then like week three to four, my libido hit. And it was very, very intense, very strong. It was great. My husband was happy about it. But then it almost like got too much where he was like, you know, all right, you need to come with the brakes and, you know, like, I mean, everything was turning me on. Like, you know, as you guys know with testosterone, you know, there's part of your anatomy that can get larger. And so, you know, just wearing tight yoga pants was, you know, I felt like masturbating like I was just like, okay. So this is a little too much. So I decided to go back down to eight units. And after doing that, my sleep got horrible. And I just kind of felt not as great as I had been on the 10 units. I was moodier. And so I decided to go back from the 10 units. But that kind of just brings me to my question of, you know, how much of the results that I was seeing are a direct impact from the testosterone versus like a little bit of a chicken in the egg. Like maybe I was feeling so great because I was getting better sleep. Maybe my mood was better because I was sleeping better and just giving me more energy, which is helping with my workout recovery versus, you know, it's a direct impact of the testosterone. Great, great question. And then the other question I had was, is it too much? Is the fact that, you know, I'm seeing a larger, I don't know if I can say it on there, but like a larger clit, and I'm getting like, you know, intense orgasms and the sex is good. Is that a sign that it's too much and I should be on a lower dose? Or is it safe that it's like, you know, just enjoy the ride? Yeah. Okay, so it's a really good question. Yeah, exactly. So here's the negative with hormone therapy. So I'll use an analogy, okay? It's like you see smoke, you're in the forest. Oh my God, there's tons of smoke. So you end up buying a really, really good air filter to get rid of the smoke. But what ends up happening is you miss that there's a fire. There's a fire that's causing all the smoke. Now you can breathe now, you got the air is clean, but what was causing the smoke, you know, we're not really solving and eventually that fire will get so hot and burn everything out. So here's the potential negatives with hormone therapy. When hormones are off, it's typically because of something else. Now you had a kid second time around. I know what that's, you know, that's a lot. That's, I have four kids. So although I didn't have the children, I could see what it does to a mom. Your body becomes hypervigilant. Every noise wakes you up. This is an evolutionary thing. Obviously sleep is off. Now you got it, you're caring for another person. Taking care of two kids versus one is not double the work. It's like 10 times the work. People who have more than one kid know what I'm talking about. And so what happens is your hormones get affected as a result of this, lack of sleep, all these things, your hormones get affected. Testosterone goes down, libido disappears, exactly because your body's like, no more kids, please. We can barely handle what we have here at the moment. We gotta make sure you feel safe and secure. So then you take testosterone and the other stuff doesn't necessarily get fixed, but the testosterone itself is so powerful that it can make you feel amazing. It can make you feel good. It can give you lots of energy and all that kind of stuff. So is what you're taking too much? That would be more of a question for your doctor. However, from my understanding, if the symptoms of hormone replacement therapy start to get in the way of what you would consider to be a good life, then I would say it is too much. Can too much of a libido be a bad thing? Well, yeah, I mean, if it starts to cause issues with your partner, if you start to not be able to think about other things or whatever, then it may be too much. So I think that we wanna identify the lifestyle factors that we're contributing to the lower testosterone, because ideally look, and we work with a hormone therapy company and they're exceptional, but we're always gonna say if you can get your hormones to be in great range without having to take supplemental hormones, that's ideal. The hormones are really a great place when I'm on testosterone and I was doing everything that I could to get my testosterone levels up and my testosterone was in the floor and this probably had to do with steroid abuse that I did in my 20s. So taking testosterone was really more of a necessity than anything. So that's really the conversation you wanna have with yourself and knowing your background and what happened, you probably were just overstressed. Your body was just probably taking on way, way, way too much. Now, the way you would work with this is you would work with your doctor. I would work with a functional medicine practitioner who really is trying to work with natural systems in the body. And then what the doctor would probably do is slowly scale you down while simultaneously working on lifestyle factors to get your body back into balance. And then eventually ideally, ideally, Katie, you'd wanna be off testosterone and have your body just naturally have the hormone levels that you're looking for. But it's really like, it's not unlike taking caffeine because my sleep is bad. It's like I got bad sleep, but I'm taking caffeine so now I have energy. So it's, okay, I got more energy so that's better than nothing but it's the sleep that was the issue. So we gotta look at the lifestyle and see what was going on and it probably includes mindfulness, your, you know, the other activities in your life, sleep and what we can do around that. And I'm not saying testosterone is a bad thing. It may be that the way your lifestyle is organized to where it's like, look, I got all this stuff going on. Right now I'm done everything I can to reduce my stress but there are just some things right now that I have to deal with and the extra testosterone is giving me the energy to handle these for this season and then I'll tackle that later on. So this is really, you know, it's gonna be like where you're at but I would suggest working with a functional medicine practitioner alongside this sports medicine individual and kind of find some consensus between them. How long has this been going on? As far as like, how long have you been taking the testosterone for? Eight weeks. Okay. By the way, the clitoral enlargement that you're experiencing right now is not actual clitoral tissue at eight weeks. That takes much longer to happen. It's blood. Yeah, what you're noticing is with the equivalent of an erection and so you have more blood flow there so that's what it's gonna feel like. The actual tissue. Well and it feels like that because it won't calm down until I'm taking care of it. Right, right. So the actual tissue enlargement that can take years and years and you're at a dose where, I mean, you might get some enlargement but that would happen, you know, years from now. It wouldn't happen now. Like you would have to take like serious doses of testosterone. Yeah, it's just blood. To see actual, yeah, tissue growth. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about that. But again, that would be again another question for your doctor. But that's what's happening. You know, I've had these conversations with the people that we work with. Everything you're highlighting though, as far as the, they're not bad side effects. It's, I mean, obviously if it causes, yeah issues at home with the husband and stuff like that, to Sal's point can be not ideal. But the things that you're, this is, if someone goes on. I'm just gonna give him testosterone. Well, so I actually was gonna ask, I don't know how old he is and I don't know if he's had his blood work done. But I mean, I would at least, I would at least explore that. I think I would at least explore. Cause imagine that, imagine if we have no idea. I have no idea what his. Kids are like, mom, can you make me dinner? Mom, are you guys thinking now we're busy? We'll be back later. You've put on movies quite a few times. Like you're co-op to show real quick. So I, you know, I don't, I don't know enough about him to know like, cause maybe if, maybe if he was matching you more, maybe there would be no issue here. Maybe you only feel like it's a major issue because you feel so extreme from where you came from. And now he's not able to keep up with that level. And so I mean, I would at least explore the idea of having him do his blood work too. Look, the thing about testosterone, Katie, is it's a relatively safe hormone, you know, it's one that I think gets a bad rap for sure. It gets put in this category where it's like whatever. But testosterone is not innocuous. So it does have behavioral effects. Okay, not just libido. It can also affect, and it's in the female brain in particular is very sensitive to testosterone. So it's not just libido. It can actually start to move your empathy, your dopamine, your drive, aggression, motivation, your ability to read people's emotions in a more male direction. Now, because it's a dopamine, I mean, I would put in the dopamine category of hormones, unlike estrogen or progesterone, it may make you feel like really powerful, but there's a lot of value in the female brain. And so they've done studies on this. They'll give women testosterone, and they actually lose empathy. They actually start to lose their ability. So you know how guys are clueless? Like they'll walk into a room, you'll go somewhere with your husband, and you'll be like, did you see what she was looking, could you see the, did you read the room or did you see what's her name said? And he'll be like, huh, I don't know. It's because we're literally clueless because our brains don't pick up on the same shit that yours does. So it's not an innocuous hormone. So pay attention to all those things. It's not like, oh, nothing's gonna happen. I'm just horny. It can definitely change personality and stuff, but it's just like birth control does. They find this now in studies with birth control as well. So I really think a functional medicine practitioner would benefit you tremendously. In fact, Dr. Cabral's team is some of the best that you could work with. Maybe Doug can grab that link for me, Doug. And I go to the forum, go to the free forum. MP Holistic Health on Facebook is a private forum. We have functional medicine practitioners in there. And then they'll work with you on some of the stuff from a natural perspective. And they'll work with the fact that you're on hormones, because that's what I do. I work with them as well. And then you'll find a nice consensus in terms of where you need to go, what you need to do. Yeah, so okay, well, that's good to know. It's not just, because I did feel like my mood was overall improved, once I started taking it testosterone. But again, I didn't know, well, maybe it's because I'm sleeping better. Maybe it's because I'm losing weight. Who knows if it's directors all do that. It is all those factors. And the testosterone does help all those things. Testosterone will make you sleep better, will give you more energy, will have you recover and build more. So it's like this. You just don't want to lose sight of being able to work your way towards doing it naturally, I think to his earlier point. Like, right now it's kind of helping you through the eye of the storm. And you're now realizing I can feel better. And so to be able to kind of work your way into the lifestyle habits and adjusting things now that you feel good would be a lot better strategy. Totally. So will, I mean, does my body recognize that, wow, I feel better, I'm functioning better and it'll start creating more testosterone or? No, your body actually stopped, we'll create less. Yeah. Because, yeah. It's gonna take a place of it. When it comes to hormones, it's what's called a negative feedback loop. So if you take a hormone, your body senses that hormone and then reduces or eliminates its production. So if a man takes testosterone, sperm count go down, testosterone goes down. And most hormones, not all, but most of them work this way. So, but like I said, that's why I think a functional medicine practitioner will be perfect because what they'll probably do is work alongside with the doctor you're working with and they'll come up with a scale down kind of approach and identify other things. I mean, wouldn't it be amazing Katie if the functional medicine practitioner was like, oh, here's what's going on. Let's fix this and then you'll be back to your old self and you'll feel normal. You won't have to take anything anymore. I mean, that would be amazing. Sex is so good though, I don't like it. I mean, if you're enjoying yourself, you know, party on, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Now you notice I've been quiet over here. I'm not, I don't know if I all the way agree with Sal over here. Yeah. So. No, this didn't happen to my wife. He's right though. He really, he is right. Look, imagine the world where only men were in it. Okay. It would be crazy. Just like if it was just only women, we need that balance and it does change. You can look up the, look up the literature. It will change over time, the literal structure of your brain. So it can take a female brain and make it more male. That's right. And it feels good. Here's why it feels good. Cause men are clueless and we're driven and we're horny and we don't feel a lot of shit, which is great. But do you really not want to feel things? Like imagine, you know. Honestly, the most important part of this entire conversation is the relationship with you and your husband. Because everything else is positive that you're saying. Or even though the, the clit thing feels weird and all that stuff, that, that's all positive stuff. Nothing's negative about it. The only thing that in this conversation that matters the most to me is that is it disrupting my relationship with my husband so much that it's causing tension, it's causing fights or resentment or that's most important. And absolutely the hormones can affect a lot of those things. So either one, either one, you, you have to become more aware of that and then learn to go, oh, am I not being empathetic? And normally I would be right here and you check yourself in that situation or go the route that Sal is saying, which is, you know, maybe we go address this naturally and see if we can do this before we decide to just take this hormone. But everything you're feeling is all positive stuff. But again, the, if you were my client and we were having this conversation while we're working out and you're like, what should I do, Adam? The things I would be asking you is more about your relationship, your marriage. And if you were telling me that it's causing issues and we're struggling because of this, I would be concerned and I would be really pushing Sal's way. If you're just like, oh, my husband razzes me, he gives me a hard time because I always want him or whatever like that. But, oh, things have been great, we're happy, everything, if everything's happy and you guys are doing great and it's not affecting your marriage, then I'd be like, oh, this is a lot of good stuff. So. Yeah, I mean, he's very happy with it. When I went down on the lower dose, he was like, don't go lower. Like, you know. You know. But yeah, it's changed, it's changed how we relate in the sense of like, I have a lot of more compassion for guys because, you know, all of a sudden I'm sitting in bed, like, okay, I know I'm wearing them out, but how can I maybe like, you know, rub his back to get him in the mood? Oh, God. Oh, my God. So I emphasize to the guys that, you know, now you're, now I'm on the, the other side. I'll get a tool belt, certainly. Well, go, go get, go get in the forum. Go get in the forum that Sal suggested it's free. Okay. And you can poke around, ask some good questions from them and then maybe do a consultation and at least get some opinion in that direction. But, uh, all, all is good. Every now and then candles and chocolate too. Yeah, yeah. Right. She can start romancing. A back massage. Thank you so much, Katie. All right, Katie. Yeah, thank you guys. Bye-bye. Never thought I'd hear someone on the podcast. Yeah, I'm all on my upside down world here. Yeah. You know, look, and, and obviously if she's taking a dose, that's going to bring her to the upper limit of what's normal, but everybody's a little bit different. And look, we all know it's like, you know, when we were 14, 15 years old, you guys remember what that was like? Would you want to be like that again all the time? No, hell no. No, I mean, we wouldn't be able to work. It's distracting and your mind goes, so. That's the most important thing right here. It really is. She's eight weeks in. Yeah. That's what it is. It starts to balance out. That's why I ask that. I say, how long, how long you've been doing this for too? Because, you know, I'll give her another month. That's why. It makes it tiresome. I mean, when I went on TRT, I was like that for about three months and then it kind of balanced out. So all of your advice is right. And I think good. If she was my client, I would probably, and if she told me, like, oh, my husband and I are great. We're not fighting over this now. I'd probably be like, let's see what another month looks like and see if it kind of levels out, calms down and you're a little more balanced. Right now, just stock up on Gatorade. Our next caller is Crystal from Virginia. Crystal. How you doing? Hi, guys. How you doing? Good. How can we help you? Okay. First, I'll do my thank yous very quickly and I have my notes down here. So I'll keep looking down. I'd like to thank you for making it appear that my husband has the best time doing yard work. He tends to listen to y'all while he's out there and it's very entertaining to look out the window and see him smiling and laughing while he's mowing the grass or poop scooping. That's awesome. All right. Also, thank you for your affiliation with Zbiotics. We go on a lot of cruises and because of Zbiotics, we can definitely get through our drink packages and still get up every morning and hit the gym. Oh, good stuff. Yeah. Winning. Now for my question. I was told to stick with my original email so my question is, what the hell am I supposed to eat? Here's some context and some background. In episode 2246, y'all were answering a listener's question and included the usual advice to hit your protein goal and how hard that can be for some people. Adam then said, it might be easy if you're 110 pounds. And Sal said something like, find me a 110 pound female who can eat 110 grams of protein per day consistently from whole natural foods. So here I am. I'm your girl. I'm actually about 113 pounds, but I have no problem over consuming protein. This is my second week of cutting back on protein and I'm at 130 to 140 grams per day. I'm trying to cut back to solve some digestive issues that started back in July. I was dealing with bloating that would increase my waist size up to three inches and my stool consistency had changed. I couldn't pinpoint it to a single food trigger. By October, I was extremely frustrated and thought maybe it was SIBO caused by some bad sushi I had back in July. I'm pretty impatient, so I went ahead and started Cabral CBO protocol. I'm a couple of weeks from finishing the protocol and there hasn't been huge improvements in my symptoms, but it did get me to better analyze what I was eating. I've been tracking for years, so I went back through my data and noticed my fiber had creeped up to close to 100 grams. A couple of weeks ago, I decided to cut back on the amount of fruits and vegetables I was eating. This was a struggle because I really enjoy eating a large volume of food. I filled that void with meat snacks. Instead of snacking on a three pound bag of fruit, I would cook extra ground beef, turkey and chicken and snack on that throughout the week. All my meals were weighed out, but I wasn't correctly counting my meat snacks. During a recent food prep, I recalculated everything and my calories were actually closer to 2,200 instead of 1,800 and my protein was around 200 grams instead of 150 grams. I'm trying to get my protein down to see if that solves my digestive issues, but I need something to fill the void. So I was a 113 pound female that does not get satiated from protein or fiber and is trying to solve digestive issues. What the hell am I supposed to eat? Okay, I got some good news and bad news for you. First of all, I could tell you're really fit. You got great delts. So everybody watching right now when you eat high protein, that's what happens. So yeah, you're doing pretty good. You're doing pretty good. Okay, I got some good news and bad news for you. The good news is, I think I know what the problem is. The bad news is, I don't know if you like the answer. So you have not done any gut testing, right? You just jumped on a CBO protocol. Yeah, that's exactly where I was going. I just went straight to the protocol. Yeah, we got to test this out. You probably have a parasite. So all of your symptoms point to... And by the way, don't freak out. It's way more common than people think, but some of the symptoms of parasite infection include insatiability, like I just keep eating and I'm just hungry. I can't figure out what's going on and then digestive issues are there as well. So Dr. Cabral can do a very easy parasite test with you. Once you test, if it comes back positive, the treatment is easy. It's very simple and then you got no more parasites and you'll go right back to normal. Because I'm assuming your diet didn't change. It's just all of a sudden your digestion went off. Is that the case? The diet didn't change of what I was eating, the amounts kind of creeped up and got out of control, but nothing changed or was introduced. It was just like suddenly... Did you have digestive issues before? No. I mean, if I were to overeat or eat off, eat like an asshole as Adam would say, then yes, that would get bloated. But if I didn't eat like an asshole, then things would be fine. Crystal, do you eat a lot of raw sushi, raw fish? No. Okay. Did you, because you said in your thing here, you thought it might have been some bad sushi? Yeah, I actually just started eating sushi and discovered it like, I don't know, like a year or two ago and I had been missing out. But yeah, it was kind of in line with the sushi incident. Yeah, the most common in the modern world, so people that live in modern developed societies, the most common cause of parasitic infections is sushi because it is uncooked, it is raw. So if people, you know, people watching, if you eat a lot of sushi, you're, the odds of you having a parasite are actually relatively high. It's actually not that low. Again, the good news is the parasitic parasite cleanse or treatment, once they identify what it is, is not that big of a deal. But there is a protocol though, because here's what happens. Because people will go, they'll go online buy some parasite cleanse thing or whatever, and then they feel better, but then the symptoms come back because there are things that kill the parasites and then there are things that kill the eggs that the parasites produce, and they're different. So you'll kill the parasites, feel better, month later, uh-oh, now everything's back, what the hell's going on? So I would 100% do a gut test, which includes a stool test, and they will be able to identify relatively easily if you have parasites. And if you do, you just treat them and you're good. But all of your symptoms that you're saying, and I'm guessing, okay? Point to that. But like it's like red light, like, oh, can't eat enough, can't eat enough protein, sudden bowel changes and big time bloating. And then I saw your comment about the sushi and I was like, oh, there's a parasite. So go get tested. That's the best advice I can give you because I don't think there's anything wrong with your protein intake. I don't think there's anything wrong with your fiber. I mean, you felt good before, you might have started eating a little bit more, but the sudden like crazy symptoms that you're, I mean, a three inch increase in your waste from bloating is not a result of, I ate 200 more calories on this meal. No. Well, yeah, okay. So if it's not parasite, then it would be more, I mean, is there an intolerance that might be underlining as well? So here's what happens with parasites. The parasites can affect digestion, which then can cause SIBO, which can also cause gut inflammation, which can cause intolerances. So if you got tested, it's unlikely that you had a parasite and you didn't have SIBO, or it's unlikely that you had a parasite and you didn't have food intolerances, the parasite can cause all of those different things. So, or you could have a fungal infection as a result of parasite called CFO, which is like SIBO, but it's not bacteria, it's fungal. But seriously, I'm telling you, it's not a big deal. Crystal, if you go to Dr. Cabral's team, ask them for a gut test. They'll solve this. They'll give, yeah, you'll take the test, you'll get the results in less than a month. You'll look at it and it'll tell you, this is what's going on. And then you'll treat it, no problem. Okay, we'll already be being on the CBO protocol, interfere with the test. I would ask them, I would ask them about that. Probably would interfere with, if you have SIBO, but not the parasite, because it wouldn't touch the parasite. Okay, so in general, like back to normal, like can I just go after all this, go back to eating? Like it's not bad for 200 grams of protein at my weight? Probably, what they'll probably have you do is they'll probably scale that. Yeah, they'll scale you in because once the parasite, let's say that's the case, okay, or SIBO even or whatever, once you solve the issue, it's like there was an injury. Okay, so there's some inflammation and then what you have to do is slowly work your way into allowing that injury to heal, that inflammation to heal, and then jump back into your normal diet. That's typically what it looks like, but you know, each case is a little bit different. But I don't think it'd be anything radical. Like, okay, we got the parasite, now you can only eat almonds, and I don't think it'll be like that. I think it'll be more like, okay, let's avoid gluten, and let's avoid dairy for a little bit while we get your gut to heal. Okay. Okay, now I want to hear back from you. I'm really, really interested to see if this is exactly the case. So yeah, let us know. Let us know, maybe we'll have you come back on and do a little bit, and do a recap on what the deal was. Okay, we can do that. All right. Cool. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like she didn't like that answer. I don't know. I would like it. Yeah, I think so. You know what? Hearing the word- That's resolved. Hearing the word parasite freaks people out. Yeah, I mean, it's a natural thing. Probably 10 to 20% of people in developed countries have a parasite. People in undeveloped countries, it's like a majority. Oh yeah. But like a good chunk, and if you eat sushi on a regular basis- Especially fish, yeah. You eat sushi on a regular basis, your odds skyrocket when it comes to parasites. So- Our next caller is Rawan from Kuwait. Rawan, how's it going? Oh, hello. How can we help you? Hi, guys. How are you doing? So good to see you. I'm from Kuwait, but I'm based in Kuwait, but I'm Syrian, so I have to make this different connection. No problem. I got to say that you changed my life is an understatement. I swear to God, I pray for you as a thank you for everything that you do. You are the real educators, the real influencers. So I thank you forever and always because I spread your knowledge to people around me. So I think you have good karma for the next lives. Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate that. That was really nice. That's why things are going so well. Thank you. I had all green lights on the way home. I'll get to my question. I'll try to make it short because I sent an essay, I think. So in 2020, I started intermittent fasting. I started with that 12 hour window to 14 then progress to 18 and went crazy. The first six months were phenomenal. I saw results like never before. I saw muscle definition. I was very sharp. I was I think I had the best shape and the best brain during that phase. I thought that I found the secret to life. And I was an ambassador for intermittent fasting because it gave me a whole new perspective on health and whatever. But on the one year mark, things started to derail drastically. I started to gain body fat. I started to get slow. I was depressed, honestly. And I tried to do some blood tests. I did some TSH, Prolactyl Vitamin D. Everything was fine. But honestly, at that phase, I started to do the 18 hour window then 20 hour window. And I think I developed the binge restrict system that we tend to do, which was very toxic. And I was craving stuff. I overcompensated during my eating window. So it went crazy, but still I didn't break from the intermittent fasting lifestyle because I like to be disciplined. When I start something, I want to go to the end. So now four years in, I'm trying to loosen up. I try to do what I like to call intuitive fasting. So my intention is to fast for 12 hours. But if I find myself starving, I would break the fasting window and I would eat. Just trying to trick my body into it again because it's not working as it did in the first place. What I'm scared of is if I damaged my metabolism. And I know that you guys say that it's not the best option for women because of the hormone imbalances. And that's what I'm scared of because it's been four years now and I'm fluctuating. So I'm not sure if I can find a way to reverse, to go back to like a normal metabolism. And I don't know, what do you guys think? Yeah, this is a very typical experience that people have. Fasting has tremendous spiritual benefits, right? The detachment from earthly things. But what's happened is we've turned it into a diet. So here's what happens to your body. This is why you felt so good when you did it initially. You felt good because digestion can, in some cases, increase a little bit of inflammation, especially if there's some gut health issues. You probably were entering into a state of ketosis and ketones, which is what your body produces when it doesn't have carbohydrates, can make the brain and the body feel sharper. And here's the real reason. It raises cortisol and it raises catecholamines like norepinephrine and epinephrine. And cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, they give you energy, they make you feel good. But what happens over time is those stress chemicals and hormones overwhelm your body and you start to succumb to the stress of not eating. Now, the way you back out is actually not that hard at all. You simply add some meals and what you would want to do, if you want to do this slowly, is I would have a protein-fat meal, first thing in the morning, and avoid carbohydrates. Okay, avoid carbohydrates. So I would have like, I don't know what your favorite sources of protein are, but I would have like eggs, cheese, avocado, or vegetables. Go ahead. You were going to say something? I, my weakness is carbs. So I love carbs. I can't be away from carbs. I think if I tried, I go crazy when I go back to carbs. But honestly, I try to follow this protein-based diet, but there's something very strange is that whenever I eat protein, I think this is weird, but I feel like I am hungrier. Is that normal? I think protein should fill me up, but I don't know what's happening. I'm trying to eat whole foods, but I think there's something wrong. No, no, nothing's wrong. Just eat more. Look, this is what I would do. I would start the day off with a very high protein with some fat and some fiber breakfast. Then I would do that again maybe three or four hours later for lunch. Then when you have dinner, have your carbohydrates. Carbohydrates at night, I know there's this big belief that, oh, don't eat carbs at night. Carbs at night are great because they actually induce, they help induce better sleep. In fact, if you're going to eat something an hour or two before bed, a carbohydrate meal at night would be a great way to do it. You're basically going to have a protein fat, fiber, protein fat, fiber, and then dinner, you can have your carbohydrate with protein meal. This will slowly get your body to feel a little bit. It'll balance insulin, blood sugar. You're not going to get the cortisol spikes like you're probably suffering from right now or the irregular cortisol, and that'll be the way you ease your way in. It's going to take a little bit of time because you've also developed a bit of a relationship with the restricting and then feeding yourself. And that's more of a psychological effect, and it'll take you maybe two or three weeks of doing this consistently. But that's basically, look, I'm like you. If I need to be sharp, I do better without any food. But if I do that for too long, it starts to wear my body down as well. And so what I tend to do, especially like, for example, today I'm going to be doing a live presentation. There's going to be about thousands of people watching. So what I've done for the past three days is eat mainly proteins and fats and avoided carbohydrates. And then today after my last presentation, I'm going to have a meal that contains carbohydrates. So I can work with it and manipulate it. That's what I would, that's what I would, if you were my client, that's what I have you do. I have you go high protein, fat, some fiber, then another high protein, fat and fiber, and then in the evening is when you can include your carbohydrates. Any idea on how many calories a day you eat? Honestly, I don't track. It's a way of detaching from being so obsessive over food and what I eat. But I would say, I would say 2000, maybe more, maybe, I think. I stopped. I used to track and it was getting into my head too much. I get obsessive. I think it's a girls thing. We can't be healthy with food. It's always, it has a tendency to go toxic. And like you said, it's psychological. Yeah, yeah. So do this. Get about six to eight ounces of meat, of some kind of meat or protein containing food for breakfast. And then again for lunch, don't go lean, have some fat in it. If you need to add some olive oil or avocado or have like a ribeye or something like that. But about six to eight ounces in both meals will give you a nice dose of protein. I remember one time you said something that stick with me till today. You said that it's a fasting is a good tool to differentiate between hunger and cravings. And this is so because during my intermittent fasting, I noticed that most of my food is based on cravings just because I can eat it. So and I started doing what you once recommended which is the water fast for one day. So sometimes I do that and it feels so good. The next day when I start to eat because you feel like you were reborn again because of the detox of everything. So I'm trying to tap into other things just to have this healthy relationship again. But I think I damaged myself with that too much disciplined system that I went and because it was you just took it too far. You just took it too far for too long. Yeah, by the way, your metabolism is fine. You didn't do any terrible damage. No, it'll recover. Yeah, you're totally fine. I think if you do what I said and you kind of go in that direction, then after maybe a few weeks, it's going to be the psychological aspects of me most challenging. But if you do what I say over the next few weeks, like when I say a good protein meal, I don't mean like two eggs. Like 40 to 50 grams of protein with your breakfast. And then again for lunch, another 40 to 50 grams of protein. Make sure there's some fat in there. Make sure there's some fiber. I like really well cooked vegetables, right? So really, really well cooked vegetables with olive oil. Nice serving of meat or eggs. And that would be your meal. And then you do it again. And then what you'll find is you're not going to get that energy dip like you did, like you would if you weighed a big carbohydrate meal. You'll still feel that like energy, but you're not going to be over stressing your body like you have been with the fasting. And then dinner, have your dinner, have your dinner with your carbohydrates and then go to bed two, three hours later. This is interesting, yeah. Yep. Yeah, this would be interesting for me because I never did carbs at night. I did the opposite. I started with my carbs and then ended with protein and fat. So I'll definitely try this one. Yes, give it a shot. Let us know what you think. I should. Thank you. Thank you so much for calling in. Thank you guys. Thank you always. You got it. Thanks for calling in. So good to see you. Thank you. All right. Bye. She says she's a radio sports producer in Kuwait. Oh, is that what? Isn't that awesome? Joy 411. Did you see the Jordan thing in the background while she was talking the light? Yeah, the little sign. Oh, no, I didn't. Yeah, dude. No, I didn't. That's so cool. I probably would have said sorry for that. Yeah, you know, I don't know if I like her fasting at all. No. You know, I think that my goal, if she was a client of mine, would be to slowly get her out of this. I mean, obviously, it's taken fasting to another. And it's tough too, because I get where she's coming from as far as, you know, if had clients that if they start weighing and tracking, they obsess over it and it makes it worse. But it also makes it really challenging when you're trying to reverse someone out of this type of behavior because it's like, as a coach, I want to be able to explain what's going on. And if I know the numbers, I know what we're doing. I can say like, well, that's because we increased this many carbohydrates or this many calories and so hanging there. Well, she's in a state of unawareness. I mean, she says so herself. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, what we should have done, and I didn't think of it is to put her in the form. So she goes through this. Doug, email her. Let her know. Just because as she goes through this, obviously she'll get a chance to listen to this. As you go through this, the psychological part will be one of the most challenging. And if you might see things that you freak out and want to go back the other direction that are totally normal and healthy and fine. And so that would be my biggest concern as I ease her back into introducing these meals throughout the day is her going, oh my God, this is too much. Go the other way. Having her consistently start with that breakfast is going to be a challenge. Like I know for me too, like after cutting it out, yeah, for a long period of time, like it was convenient and also too, just like I felt better not eating. And then it didn't work for me anymore. You know, and then it's just like, okay, well, we have to shift. And so it was like, you know, a deliberate chore for me to be like, okay, I have to like, I have to put, and it didn't feel good at first. And then, you know, once everything started to kind of turn and change, it was way better. Yeah, the whole like eat carbs early and then don't eat them at night. I feel better the reverse. If I have a high carb breakfast and lunch, I'm like, all day long. So I save it. And then when I eat it at night, I feel perfectly fine. I know a lot of people like that. So, look, if you love the show, head over to mind pump free.com, check out our free fitness guides. Also, you can find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump, Adam.