 Many, thank you everyone. We are ready to roll back on video. Sorry video viewers that we didn't have video the last couple of days, but a big thanks to Sean for putting the audio in the video feed. It's like peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter jelly time. It was like audio video time. Peanut butter jelly time. I mean, I guess I could have recorded video from upstairs in my father-in-law's apartment. Good. Peanut butter jelly. Yeah, why didn't you, Tom? Why do you hate your audience? Yeah, we're gonna podcast in Hawaii, Tom. Are we? Maybe. It seems like a very unverotic thing to say. Maybe. Maybe we will. Depending on the wifi. I wanna test my Gotenas in Hawaii. Okay, I don't know what that is. Do you know what Gotena is? Nope. It lets you communicate, let your phone send text messages and share locations without having to have internet over like a two and a half mile range. Interesting. Yeah, interesting. All right, folks, shall we do this show? Do a show. All right, let's do it. My fellow citizens of the internet, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. So go show fear, you mean business. Go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support and show them you're not interested in fear. You're interested in the future. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 30th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today, as she does most Mondays. Ms. Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor and host of Dear Veronica on Engadget. Happy Monday, Veronica. Happy Monday, Tom. Did you have an excellent Thanksgiving? I did, I did. I had an excellent Thanksgiving and you? I did as well, yes. I hosted Thanksgiving and it was very successful and I think everyone came away a little fuller and a little better. Wow, you improved people. Better people. I bet that makes Patrick Beja from France wish that he had Thanksgiving in France. So many things we wish we had that you guys do and we don't. Thanksgiving is but one. Happy Monday, Veronica is another one but I'm also incredibly thankful to you, Tom, to Veronica and to the scheduling authorities of the Daily Tech News Show for letting me be part of that special post Thanksgiving Happy Monday. Monday, welcome to you. Patrick is here, of course, because he's normally on Tuesdays but tomorrow he will be washing his scarf. I don't, I mean, he's got some. Free show callback. He's got something really important and really boring going on tomorrow and he can't do the show. So Veronica was nice enough to let him play with us here on Monday and Patrick also wrote a post about Mac gaming that we're gonna use as our discussion story today. So that should be interesting. Saved me the research, didn't have to look anything up today. So that was awesome. There you go. Hence the reason we were willing to let Patrick be on the show. Easy Veronica wins every time. I know how it works now. I can work my way around the Daily Tech News Show anytime. Absolutely. All right, let's start off with some headlines. As Motang submitted on our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, Blackberry confirmed it will exit the Pakistani market as of today, November 30th in a blog post, COO Marty Beard wrote that Pakistan demanded, quote, open access to monitor a significant swath of our customers' communications. And the Pakistan telecommunications authority said back in July it would shut down the encrypted Blackberry Enterprise Service Network by December 1st for security reasons if things didn't change. So it looks like things aren't gonna change. Blackberry gave India access to Blackberry internet services and Blackberry messaging a couple of years ago, but not Blackberry Enterprise Service, which is what Pakistan allegedly, according to Blackberry, wanted access to. So a little bit of a different situation. Blackberry Enterprise Services, of course, involves encrypted business communications, which RIM and now Blackberry have always been extra defensive of. This really speaks to all the discussions that we've been having recently about security versus privacy and the unwillingness to give up privacy matters in the face of growing security concerns. And I think this is happening across the world at this point. And I understand businesses not wanting to give up that information and to open access, but at the same time there's a strong argument sometimes for security measures, but I tend to land on the side of privacy personally. Yeah, we discussed this last week at length and I stand by what we said then. I would just wonder openly if that climate has encouraged Blackberry to say no this time when they, and you pointed out it was a different request from Pakistan that it was from India a couple of years ago, but maybe they were encouraged to say no because of the current climate. It might have stiffened their resolve. Do you think it looks better for companies to err on the privacy side of consumers or do you think consumers are more willing to open up their access to their information for security reasons? That's a hard one to say. I definitely have heard from both sides of that argument. I tend to believe that people would rather the government didn't spy on them. That does seem to be the prevailing attitude, but. I think without judging or deciding what the customers want, there's certainly a trend in the tech industry to protect the consumer at this point by protecting their privacy. So it would look weird if Blackberry was the only one saying, oh, it's fine, you can have it all, no problem. VTech has shut down its learning lodge app, its learning lodge app store and several websites. The Chinese toy maker discovered an unauthorized party accessed a customer database on November 14th. The database contained name, email address, password, IP address, mailing address and download history for more than five million accounts. And children's names associated with a lot of those accounts which I think gives this story a little extra punch for some people. As usual, no credit card information, right? The credit card information was stored in a separate database which leads to the obvious late night talk show host joke, why don't they store everything with the credit card information then? Yes, because that's also a great idea. Microsoft released Skype for Business Voice and meeting capabilities for Office 365 today. The features which have been in preview include Skype meeting broadcast which can handle up to 10,000 attendees, PSTN conferencing that integrates landlines and mobile phones and cloud BPX which replaces traditional BPX functions. The features come with Office 365's new E5 level for Enterprise which is $35 to user and also includes new analytics and storage capabilities. So get rid of that PBX in the basement. Now you can use Skype. Off it out. I mean, this is a huge like, you know, what is Skype doing for Microsoft? Well, here we go. Yeah, this is taking over from Link if you're familiar with that in the enterprise. They've moved that to Skype and integrated some of the Skype functions into that but Skype for Business is essentially what Microsoft's Enterprise voice calling service called Link had been but it's now adding more and more capabilities all the time. Microsoft is doing lots of things to encourage app creation like Windows App Studio and now something called Power Apps which is out in limited preview. Service lets business users develop custom native mobile and web apps that can be shared within an organization, runs on Azure, connects with Office 365 data and can access data through third party APIs as well. The free tier allows you to access two cloud data sources. The standard paid version will allow unlimited cloud data sources and then there's an enterprise version that also adds on-premises data sources like SQL and Dynamics. Limited preview now but it's the idea of saying, hey, we don't need to have expert coders work on everything we wanna do. Let's make some tools that make it easier for folks to throw some apps together on the enterprise. A lot of enterprise news today. Well, that trend ends now because Sonos lovers are gonna be happy. Sonos announced it will add support for Apple Music in beta starting December 15th. Apple's Beats Music worked with Sonos speakers but Apple closed that service today, November 30th. So a mere two weeks to wait until you Apple Music lovers can finally use your Sonos, not headphones, but speakers with Apple Music again. Now, Apple's making sure to make this announcement on the day they're closing Beats because so many people use Sonos speakers. But don't you guys think that this shows a weakness in Sonos that they have to provide access through their app that it's not easier for Apple to just cast their music to Sonos speakers? Well, I mean, Sonos aren't, the one I have at least isn't AirPlay compatible. So that it has to work through the Sonos system in order to work. And that was one of the big downsides to Apple Music when I first signed up back when it launched is that I'm a big Sonos user and have been for years. And that was a bummer that I couldn't use it through that integration. So I went back to Spotify and actually the Spotify integrations that they launched in the early fall have been fantastic now. So I'm very happy. I'm a very happy Spotify user at this point because it's working happily with my Sonos as well. So to me, this doesn't really make too much of a difference. Those Beats users are probably going to be kind of bummed out that they have to wait a couple of weeks before they can start using their stuff again. So I'm kind of surprised that there's a big gap there. That seems strange to me that they would end access to one and not launch the other for several weeks. I'm just making a plea for an open standard here. If we had DLNA everywhere on everything, then you wouldn't have to wait. You wouldn't have to have companies give you approval to use the devices you pay for. Be nice. Yes, but if Beats could fly, Tom, then the world would be upside down. Just saying. There should be an open standard for Beats aviation. It wouldn't be Apple, would they? Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan announced that they are summoning Captain Planet. I mean launching the Breakthrough Energy Coalition along with Bill Gates to invest in zero carbon energy technologies. Other members include Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Jack Ma, and Masayoshi Sun. The goal is to cover gaps in government funding by commercializing ideas from public research institutions. Gates and the US President, Gates and US President Barack Obama, the US President Barack Obama, also have a new initiative to double public investment in energy research over the next five years called Mission Innovation with 19 countries already signed up. This is awesome. Please work on desalinization. I know it's not energy, but we could use some of that. Thanks, California. Say the Californians who live near oceans. We'd like to use that water. Thanks. Can we work on that? Please, thanks. Yeah, and obviously these announcements coming because of the climate conference that's happening in your town right now, Patrick. Yep, absolutely. And what I really liked was that they're basically their first quote to clarify things about this new incredible initiative was, this is really as much about clean energy as it is about making a profit. So just to dispel any conspiracy theory that you might have that is, I don't think it is. I think it says it's important to have clean energy and we think it is viable enough that we can make money out of it. I really don't think it's a bad thing. I think it means that it is, it's here. Basically it's arrived. It is a business opportunity and the brightest minds on our planet, well, the brightest business minds on our planet are getting interested in this to make money. So it might be interesting for other people to further research and put money into it because it is going to be, to not be just a research and money losing proposition is going to work out from a business perspective as well. So I choose to look at it in a positive light. Positive and also sensible. I like the fact that it gives conspiracy theorists on both sides of the issue, something to point at. Distribution. Yeah. TechCrunch reports see the theorists equal. It's just a profit making move. It's not going to help the climate at all or it's another way to fool us into climate change by saying it's going to make profit when it's all a hoax. There you go. There's your other side to both sides. Basis covered. TechCrunch reports that combine online sales over Thanksgiving and Black Friday in the US was up over previous years reaching $4.45 billion according to figures from Adobe. Adobe tracks the sales. They're not just talking about sales of Adobe products. Yeah. They're not just talking about sales of Photoshop. They're tracking online sales. Now. Photoshop had a great year. Yes, exactly. It's not just Photoshop sales. The retail sales were down. People didn't go to stores as much but they did shop online more. IBM's benchmark survey shows online Thanksgiving sales were up 26% and Black Friday sales up 14.5% compared to last year. Other tidbits include 40% of Thanksgiving and 35.3% of Black Friday purchases were made on mobile devices with smartphones accounting for 46% of the shopping traffic and smartphones were the leading item purchased too. So people were buying smartphones on their smartphones. Smartphones were 23.9% of purchases. Tablets coming in at 16.1%. And in Black Friday news, smart phone, smart phone, smart phone, smart phone, 27% smart phone. Numbers, numbers, numbers, smart phone, smart phone, smart phone. Did we get anywhere close to a single stay? It sounds like probably no. Not even. Not even a little bit close. Yeah. Just, it wasn't going to happen. Teen Ninja 3000 sent us the news that Amazon has a new advertisement for Prime Air featuring former top gear and future Amazon car show host, Jeremy Clarkson, showing off Amazon's new phone design. No, new drone design. They gave up on that. They're done. The drone in the video has horizontal and vertical propellers and is claimed to be able to travel 15 miles from its home base. So you'll be able to order a phone from Amazon and have it delivered by drone. Ah. Smart phone, smart phone, drone, smart phone. Smart drone. Smart drone, smart phone, drone. I'm very glad for that story because I watched the ad and having never watched top gear, I was wondering who that funny British sounding man was. And he was funny, but it was very strange to see him in an Amazon commercial. So that part about him like being rational and not losing your temper was totally lost on you at that point. Completely. It was kind of weird. Have you ever seen top gear? I don't like cars. Well, no, okay. I mean, we don't really want top gear on cars. I mean, that's like, I like cars, but I'm not like a car nut, but I still love top gear because they were so funny. I don't, yeah, I also don't have like a proper TV. So I don't get it on, I guess I do now. It's all Netflix. Okay, I'll check it out. Okay. Nigerian retail chain, Udalla, beat Amazon to the punch though, delivering the first of its Black Friday purchases by drone, Yatunde Lawel ordered a Nokia Lumia smartphone, smartphone, which was dispatched by drone to the bank where she worked. According to Biztech Africa, a Udalla employee had to meet the drone and process the invoice before handing the phone over. So they still have that step to take care of it. I was about to say that Amazon was winning the propaganda war for drones. Like we haven't actually seen Amazon use a drone to deliver anything, but wow, well done Udalla of Nigeria saying, well, propaganda war for drones will actually deliver something by drone even if it has to have an employee on the other hand to grab it and give it to the person. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, I mean, the whole point of the drone is that you don't need the person to be there, but yeah, no, it is definitely, I mean, go Nigeria. Yeah, good PR move anyway. Folks, submit your stories to us. Let us know what you wanna hear us talk about. DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com is more than 5,000 people in there and you should be one of them. More voices we hear, the better the show gets. DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines. So I was just randomly because he emailed me the link looking at patrickbeijed.com this week. Don't check it out every day. Patrick wrote an interesting article on the state of Mac gaming. Now gaming on Apple has been rising in popularity. Steam came to OS X. OS X started their app store, which has some games in it. They switched to Intel, which made game designing easier. Bootcamp has long been a solution for some Apple games. However, recently Blizzard announced that they would not be making their new game Overwatch for OS X, which is unusual. They almost always make their games available for PC and Mac. Patrick, that's the event that seems to have started you thinking. Why has Blizzard backed away from OS X, do you think? Yeah, exactly. It was a very surprising announcement and full disclosure. Tom's wife works at YouTube and I used to work at Blizzard. But basically they have been the one publisher that always publishes their games on both the PC and the Mac at the same time. And I think it's safe to say that for the past 15 to 20 years, all of the games have been coming to both platforms. So the fact that their latest game would not was very surprising. I started, you know, it's very easy for PC apologists to lighten the beacon of the war between PC and Mac and go like, oh, but the Mac is not a real gaming machine and it's real gamers use PCs. And I think that's just silly. Obviously the Mac is not the preferred gaming machine but it's always been, in recent years, it had become more and more gaming capable. So yes, that is the reason why I figured I would look into it and try to find out why Blizzard made that decision. The reason that Jeff Kaplan, the game director, gave was that a kind of a PR toky statement saying the technology behind the Macs and the way Overwatch runs just makes it too challenging. So basically when I started looking into this, I'm gonna get to the crux of the issue, the Mac has for a long time been using discrete mobile GPUs, graphical chips, right? And those were not super powerful but they were okay to run most games at an, you know, okay-ish subpar average detail level. However, what's been happening in the past few years is that Intel has been making their integrated GPUs super awesome. And by super awesome, I mean super awesome for an integrated GPU, which is still relatively low performance for an average GPU. And Apple has started integrating those integrated GPUs into all of their machines. Now, those GPUs are integrated into the CPU, so it makes for a smaller footprint on the motherboard, it's easier to design, it has a lot of advantages and it's good enough for a huge amount of the tasks that you wanna achieve. However, for demanding games, a lot of games can run on those devices but for more demanding games and games where performance is more important, such as Overwatch, which is a competitive FPS, first-person shooter, it starts to show its limits. To be honest, it shows its limits on many different games but especially on this one. And the problem is what we didn't realize until now, I think as Mac gamers, I play on both my PC and my Mac, is that those integrated GPUs have been slowly creeping into the entire Mac line. Basically, it used to be that you had some discreet mobile GPUs and some integrated GPUs on the lower end. Nowadays, they are everywhere. It's an invasion, it's like a disease. And they're not only on laptops, which could be expected, but the reality is that they are also on the majority of the desktops. Most of the, I mean, all of the 21-inch Macbooks I'm sorry, 21-inch iMacs are integrated GPUs only. They don't even have the mobile discreet GPUs that could be considered average. The 27-inch iMacs do have mobile GPUs but they're basically safe for the Mac Pro, the most powerful machines that Apple sells. So it becomes a real hardware problem. I'm not even talking about the software problems that have always been there but it becomes a real hardware problem if a huge amount, the majority of the platform that you're developing for can only rely on very sub-par integrated GPU. And I think that's why Blizzard came to that decision. Yeah, so I mean, it sounds to me like you kind of put off Jeff Kaplan in the beginning saying that it was kind of PR speak, but at the same time, I think Blizzard has a duty to its customers to create the best content possible. And if they can't do that for the Mac users, should they have to put out a sub-par version of the game in order to make that segment happy? Well, certainly not. I mean, I was saying PR speak because he didn't explain exactly what that technical issue was. But I think, yeah, basically after having looked at the state of the Mac lineup, I think he's completely justified in saying this. The fact is that that specific game and most AAA expensive end of year blockbuster games, I really don't think they're going to be able to run on most Macs being sold today. And that's a problem for gaming. Well, that's where this becomes an interesting issue because you could say, well, Mac sales are slowing anyway. All PCs sales are slowing. And in fact, even though Mac sales fell 3.4% year over year in Q3, according to the IDC, they gained market share because they're slowing less rapidly than the Windows PCs are slowing. They gained, they went from number five to number four PC maker worldwide. So that's probably not it. I was thinking, well, they decided to go console. They want to develop for Xbox One and PS4. But Patrick, in your article, you rightly point out, Blizzard has enough resources that if they thought they could make a return, they could throw the resources at a Mac version if they wanted to, they just didn't want to. Here's my question though. Okay, we've explained why Overwatch isn't coming to OS 10 maybe. Is that a unique situation though? You have Metal, you have Mac developing on OpenGL. I found a quote from Ethan Lee, who's a developer on the monogame framework for porting XNA games to Mac and Linux, who said that sometimes he sees performance increases when he ports over. So something as complex as Overwatch may not be able to run on these integrated graphics yet, but maybe that's just for the time being sort of thing. And maybe plenty of good games will be able to run, especially when you have Steam and Unity. You can develop on Unity and have it port to OS 10 easily. Do you think that it's just a temporary dip, Patrick? Or do you think that no, this is just a way that Apple's going with their hardware that's gonna make it more and more difficult for hardcore games, maybe not casual games? I would love for it to be a temporary dip. I really don't think it is going to be though. It doesn't mean that there are gonna be no games on the Mac. There have always been some less performance-demanding games on the platform, and they will continue to be there. There's no reason why they wouldn't, because those integrated GPUs can run them, kind of, okay-ish, but there's a lot of people that are kind of, I wanna say, almost in disbelief as Mac gamers, I know that can sound like an oxymoron, but in the past four or five years, there was a visible uptake in that population. I really think with Steam and other initiatives, it had become, it seemed like it could become something more serious. However, what I keep telling people that are super hopeful, saying, oh, but Metal is coming and OpenGL is getting fixed and you have Bootcamp that allows you to run Windows on your Mac. The problem is, you can dress up a monkey all you want. It's not going to be a movie star, unless that movie is about dressed up monkeys. Oh, you just called Metal a monkey. I don't know his fighting words. Actually, what I'm calling a monkey is the integrated GPUs. The problem is, the power output, the 3D rendering, the game performance that they can output is just not good enough. It is integrated GPUs on my very unscientific scale of empirical estimation. Let's say for the sake of argument that a regular graphics card that is external from your motherboard has a performance on a scale of 10 that goes from four or five to 10. A discrete mobile graphics GPU will have three to four, something like that. You can probably run your game on a low to mid settings, okay. But an integrated GPU with all the performance increases that Intel managed to squeeze out of those chips went from maybe a one to maybe a two. And numbers don't lie. So the problem is, it's true that software is incredibly important for 3D performance, but it's not the only thing. And if the base material you have is not able to perform better than this, then it's a problem. And the problem is, you can expect that kind of performance on laptops. It's, you know, laptops are known to be less powerful in most cases, but think of this. The same CPU and GPU couple that power your 13 inch laptop from Apple is going to be powering a lot of the desktop computers that they sell. You can't build a game on a platform where a majority or a lot of the desktops perform just as well, quote unquote, as your laptops. It's, it's, I don't see it. It's just not going to be the kind of game like Overwatch, right? It's going to be a different kind of game. Is there, like you said, games aren't, they're not going to go away on OS 10. It's the sophisticated games that may have an issue with that. And as Shane in the chat room points out, maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe that doesn't really impact Apple's bottom line much. And so it's not a problem for them, only for those of us who really wish we could use one machine for both the OS 10 type stuff as well as some gaming. Yeah, it may not be enough of us to make a difference. It's definitely, you have to keep in mind that Apple tries to make a product that will be good enough for enough people. And the Mac gamer population is definitely, I mean, it's small. It's mostly Blizzard gamers, I would think. The people who are actually attached to gamers, to games on their Mac, I suspect would probably be mostly people who play Blizzard games. The other people who play games, play the games that are there just because they're there. And I think that the thing that's a little bit sad in all of this is there was, as we were saying from 2000 roughly, a hope for the Mac as a gaming platform. And really, the only thing we need, and maybe it's gonna happen, would be for Apple to offer an option of discreet mobile GPUs on their various devices because those can run kind of on par. But I don't think it's financially interesting for them to do that. So I don't see it changing. Would Veronica, do you play a lot of OS 10 games? I don't, no. I mean, I've had, I have a gaming PC and I do have Steam installed on my OS 10 machine. I had World of Warcraft installed on there previously and Hearthstone and a couple other games, but it was just, it was taking up, they were taking up too much space. They run better on my gaming PC. I don't desperately need to have them on the go as much as I initially thought I did. So yeah, I've pretty much deleted every game from my MacBook Pro at this point and used my gaming PC pretty exclusively for games. All right, well, let's get to our pick of the day. Dixon picks this one. He's guessing that most of the DTNS audience would like a documentary on Nikola Tesla and there is one that he backed on Kickstarter or maybe Indiegogo actually. Indiegogo titled Tower to the People. According to the producers, the download in Blu-ray was supposed to be available for sale this or next week and it looks like it's up for sale right now at tesladream.com. Dixon says I was one of the original supporters on Indiegogo and received the Blu-ray and I can say it's high production value. My endorsement may not be worth anything but we got the oatmeal on board and it looks like an interesting doc. So if you wanna check it out, tesladream.com will have that link in the show notes as well. I am curious about his judgment of high production value based on the website. Well, he said high production value of video. I know, I'm just questioning his judgment of high production value. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying. Okay, it's not your style. I get it, it's fine. The website, no, I'm sure the documentary's great. The website is not good. Look, we're just taking Dixon's word for it. Listen, I'm just saying. Go check it out, folks, take a look. Send your picks to us, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks and revisiting the Amazon Prime drone real quickly before we wrap up. On October 9th, regarding the idea of having pancakes delivered by drone from Amazon, Yavin05, the Latin tech blogger, wrote, what if I have a bullseye that the drone can see and drop the package there? It can be a piece of paper where you print a large QR code that you can place on any flat place and the drone will see it and gently drop the package on top of it. You can put it in your backyard on a table really anywhere. Yesterday, in the aforementioned video hosted by Jeremy Clarkson, Amazon demonstrated a drone delivering a package to a small white square with the Amazon logo on it in a person's backyard and the package was even gently dropped upon it. Package was not pancakes, it was a shoe, but in any case, no word on whether Yavin05 will be playing the lottery, but his predictive powers seem to be pretty impressive. What should we have? What should we have Yavin05 predict next? The number is to the next lottery. Will I get my Christmas cards out on time? Yavin05, please write in, feedback in dailytechnewshow.com and let us know the lottery numbers for France and whether Veronica will get her Christmas cards out on time. These are important issues. Thank you, Yanov. And, gracias, Yanov. I'll see you, Patrick. And that's it. Thank you, Patrick Beja, for writing that amazing article and sharing your findings with us and providing a great discussion today as always. It was a sad discussion because I love games and I love my Mac, but yes, unfortunately. But yeah, if you wanna read the article, you can go to patrickbeja.com. If you wanna listen to more podcasts, I have a couple of you, a couple for you. Today, the Phileas Club is the first one. We recorded one a couple of days ago and we discussed the Paris attacks with someone from Saudi Arabia, someone from Iran and someone from Hong Kong. And it was a good time all around. Yes, we managed to have a good time discussing that even. And the next one is Pixels, a show about video games and video game news. And we recorded that one with Garrett Wendrill, host of the Angry Chicken just today. And so both of those are available on Frenchspin.com. You can go check them out. Did the Phileas Club just download today? Just post today? I don't see it. No, it was posted on Saturday. It didn't show up for me, so I'm going to make sure that I'm properly subscribed because that is an amazing, I love the Phileas Club, I always have, but that is an amazing topic and an amazing group of people to talk about it. Don't forget folks, Patrick is in Paris, France, and he was hosting that show. So yeah, somehow my subscription was, did I download it? That is strange. Yeah, download it again now. Thank you. Thank you Veronica Belmont as well for sharing your day with Patrick. That was very generous. Anytime, anytime. I did very little talking, so really it was fine. Well, do more. Do more talking now. Yeah, so we've got some Sword and Laser news coming up tomorrow, so stay tuned to that. Swordandlaser.com will have an interesting announcement tomorrow. Tom and I are also part of an AMA over on reddit.com today for the World Builders Charity. There's a bunch of awesome great fantasy authors over there answering questions about world building and writing books. And Tom and I are in there for some reason talking about things that we know answers to. Talking about interviewing the authors that are talking about writing books. Exactly. But it's all for a good cause. There's tons of great stuff up on the World Builders eBay site that all go to charity, helping Heifer International and World Builders help make people's holiday season a little brighter for those in need. So yeah, check that out. We'll put a link somewhere, I guess, in the show notes. Yeah, I'll put it in there right now. That's the beauty of using Google Docs as your show notes. Let's do that. Do that. And new episodes of Dear Veronica every Wednesday over at engadget.com slash deer dash Veronica. There you go. Folks, it's the holidays. And we understand more now than ever that you've got to figure out how to get presents for all the people on your list. Do some traveling, all of that stuff. And we extra, extra appreciate your support of this show. So thank you to everyone who makes the show possible. If you can make the show possible and you've got an extra dollar sitting in there, dailytechnewshow.com slash support is the place to go. You can back us on Patreon, just a dollar a month. You can give it to us on PayPal or you can buy something from the store. Get some gift given done at the same time. We've got a brand new DTNS mug in there. We've got a born ready T-shirt. If you're a fan of Patrick, we've got a Tom's wife works at YouTube T-shirt even. So all kinds of stuff in there. Check it out, dailytechnewshow.com slash support. And big thanks to everybody who backs us. We're getting closer every day to that milestone goal where we'll be able to bring a sixth episode per week of Daily Tech News Show from Australia with a Southern Hemisphere, totally different part of the world perspective hosted by Peter Wells. So I'm looking forward to getting that going. Please help us if you can. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and give us call 51259Daily. That's 5932459. Catch the show live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern on alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv and visit our website at dailytechnewshow.com. Fill it in for Patrick. Tomorrow will be Allison Sheridan. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Boom. Good show, you guys. Thank you. Boom. Thanks. I feel I spoke a little bit too much during the Mac thing, but you kind of had to, though. Yeah, you had to explain it. I was happy to just listen. OK. Yeah, no, that was good. All right. You had all the numbers. So many numbers. And you know, it's so, it's very, maybe I should have mentioned that. It's so stark when you look at the list of devices and the ones that have integrated GPUs. It's like NewMax integrated. MacBook Air is integrated. 13-inch MacBook Pro is integrated. 15-inch MacBook Pro is it's. It's just what Apple does. They're like, this will get the things that we think are important for our product to do done. And they're right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I got to run. OK. Show name. What do I like? I don't know. It's losing their steam. Oh, interesting. That's all right. All right. Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks, Patrick. Bye. Take care. Apple drops the beats, this person. We're going to drop this beats app and not support it anymore after today. Every time I see, I see these titles. And it says, M-A-C with capital letters. I'm like, Mac address? Blizzard overlooks the Mac address. I like our Macs losing their steam. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Elegant. And the fact is, no, they're not yet. Oh, I'm getting so totally sucked into Cyber Monday stuff. Really? What is wrong with me? Get your ass to Cyber Monday. Jossimoss. You know, part of the workaround for Apple on the whole gaming thing is with the latest Thunderbolt iteration that comes with Skylake, it's conceivable to add a GPU. Yeah, that might get better with Skylake processors. It's kind of janky to do that right now. It is, but it's one of those kind of coley grails, because then you could just. Yeah. That would be nice if that worked. Well, Thunderbolt is essentially a PCI Express, like 4x PCI Express link. Sorry. Oh, no. Ellie's like, shut up about computers, dad. I'm trying to see. You're boring, old man. And deep down, this is Asia One work in California. You can understand my generation. We compute with our thoughts. I can't wait for thought, Pewter's, although I guess I wouldn't want to be hacked. Yeah, I don't want to. The learning curve is going to be too hard. Like the sensitivity is like, oh, that the sensitivity is for a younger person, sir. We'll have to adjust that for you. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Oh, gosh. I had a thing I was going to say, and then I forgot the thing. Now I have nothing to say. Oh, question. Should I, for the rest of the day, do a ton of work that may or may not catch me up on all the work I have to do for all the things? Or should I farm and fall out for? Didn't you ask a similar question on Twitter earlier this weekend? I did. Should I write my script for Dear Veronica? Or should I build things and fall out for? These are very similar questions, it feels like. Should I ask this question to myself in Dear Veronica, therefore, all my faith? Oh, yeah. There you go. And have Jenny answer it. I have minutes about writing the script we're doing Fallout 4. Do your first meta episode of Dear Veronica. I have to go get my yummy.com. I'll be right back. Oh, dang. Sounds yummy. Sounds yummy. Did you, how far along are you in Fallout 4? Are you just doing all the sides? Yes, give us the Fallout 4 update. Fallout 4 update, yeah, I'm super. I'm really building out settlements now. I've got a, I just have to tell. So I just found, I don't want to spoil things. I just found Dr. Vincent. And so now I have to deal with, go to that. I'm holding, I'm holding off that for a while. And then I'm going to do the next thing on that list. And I'm doing other things. I made it into the Institute. You made it into the Institute, right? All right, don't tell me anymore. So just so you know, it's an entirely another faction that you can work with. Don't tell me that. I don't want to know that. That is a spoiler. It's not. It's not. All right, well, as long as I keep giving you cells. Roger's saying it's a game mechanic that you should be aware of. It's not a spoiler. The reason I tell you that is because you should pick who you work with very carefully. Well, I already work with, I can't say anything out loud. DTNS. DTNS. Hey, I'm in a long way as of this point. I am already signed up with a couple of different factions. I will not join the Brotherhood of Steel because they're jerks. They are kind of jerks, but I did. They're like, T total or prohibitionists. They're weirdos. Just do what I did and accept their invitation and then never go back. I've already done some work for them. I've been a bit of a bully at my farms. So you're at the point where they've already come in their giant blimp, right? Yes. So I've been busy shooting down their little helicopter thingies. You're shooting down their vertebrates? Yeah, because I think they're jerks. Oh my god. There's no reason to kill them. That's hilarious. They're just people trying to make their way in this crazy world. Making your way in the world today. No, they're trying to do their own version of what they do. They've got a lot of vertebrates. Roger Chang shooting down your vertebrates doesn't help a lot. That's why the militia, not the militia, the men in it make her better, because they need the support of the people. The Brotherhood of Steel just comes in and shoots up a place. Sometimes you want to go where everybody has your power armor. That's how I got all the power armor. And you have people to be a farmer. What you shoot them down is right, because then you can just go grow up all your corn. You want to go to fall out for instead of doing work. Do, do, do, do, do, do. You shoot them down. It's incredibly cathartic. I tell you that right now. There's plenty of things for me to shoot that are cathartic already. I don't need to shoot down the poor men in their vertebrates that's trying to do their jobs. They're not poor, right? Have you seen what they wear? It's a very. God. This is like face the nation for fallout. It really is. No! Everybody's one-someone's on the left, and someone's on the right of fallout right now. Have you seen what this faction does? You, sir, are out of hand. Get back to the gourds. You just can't impose your morality on other people. What? You just can't impose your morality on other people. That's what the Brotherhood of Steel does. That's what you're doing right now. I'm reacting, all right? I'm reacting. You're a reactionist. I blow back. On Face the Vault. Yep. I love this game so much. This is going to be going on forever. This is the only game I ever play again. Yeah. I felt that way about Witcher, though. I felt like I was never going to be done Witcher. And then it ended. Yeah. We didn't even make it a quarter of the way through a bit. Witcher took too long for me. The way Bethesda does her games, it's like a drug. It's really easy and quick to accomplish small things. And then build up from there. That's what makes it so addictive. Yeah. You can spend a lot of time doing. I spent so much time building out that gas station thing outside of Sanctuary Hills. So that's my pad. I haven't done anything to that, though I really should. I even built stairs to the top. And I put a whole new structure on top of it. Yeah, no, I've been doing that. I did that with the drive-in movie theater. I started building vertically on that, even though there's so much horizontal space. I think I'm going to build row houses there. So this is the thing I discovered. You actually don't really need real physics to build. So you can build a platform out like 10 squares out. And it's like hanging in the middle air, but it's a perfectly buildable space. Drives me crazy how this is how OCD I am. Drives me effing nuts that on uneven terrain, the house just sits on top of it. Oh my god, yeah. I'm like, for sick, that's sick. So I'm like, why can't you fit the terrain? I'm just like, make a hole in the ground. Just like. Yes, for fallout's sake. Yes. That's what I said. That's what she said. Case anyone in your car is asking, daddy, what did that lady say? That's what she said. Yeah, her cluck is raising tickets. Sorry. I do love gathering all my brawling together. Yeah, building them their little feed troughs, and then they like, brawling just show up. Like somebody just brought a brawling. They do. Is that a day? Bring a brawling day? What does he mean? Gord, there's no concrete foundations for uneven terrain building. Is there? No, you can break down concrete blocks to make cement. Can you put it as a foundation, really? No, not for a foundation, but to build some of the other things, like some of the radio towers or whatever you need to cement. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know, that's what he's saying. Meanwhile, my iPhone cracked. You probably can't see it. Oh, what did you do to it? Did you drop it? Dropped it flat on its face on the way to see Creed, which is prophetic. Creed the movie, not the band. The Creed the band, no longer exists, right? Yeah, in our hearts. But wait a minute, does the song from Creed go? Cement, where I don't, it's a type of wooden floor. Apparently you can make a cement foundation under the floor settings that even down the terrain. Oh, that would have totally helped because I have all this cement in my workshop. Well, now I have to go destroy all my houses and rebuild them all. I know, because I'm in our tentative like that. Damn it. You should have seen how long it took me to build walls. Well, I know what you'll be doing this afternoon. Yeah, I think we solved that problem. It's a neighborhood revitalization plan. It's an urban renewal. Urban renewal, exactly. That's what I'm going for. You'll be like Lady Bird Johnson. Ron Cabellmont, the Lady Bird Johnson of Fallout 4. I prefer to think of myself as a Jimmy Carter of Fallout 4. Seriously, try shooting down a birdie bird. Oh, it'll make things feel better. I don't feel good about that. They're not invincible. They're just a bunch of... I know, nothing is allowed. Roger Chang, the unaligned partisan of fun. They're just a bunch of religious zealots, zealots. Zealots that have really swankier. So if you shoot a few of the knights, you can get their armor. It's pretty bad. I don't want them to come after me. I don't want that. I'm not... I got to find Travis, by the way. Have you guys found Travis in Diamond City? No, not yet. Which one's the guy? I'm in Diamond City. He's the DJ. Okay. No, I haven't found him. I had to get paint for the wall. He's definitely starting to get crazy though. He is like... So he kind of says the same stuff all the time. In recent hours, he's begun kind of losing his crap. And he keeps stubbing his toes on something he said, Oh, moved that! Oh, I did, because I'm alone. And it's like, he sounds like he's starting to crack. And I think there's a questline with him and I just have to figure out how to start it, because I really want to meet him. But I keep looking for like a radio broadcast tower in Diamond City Market and I don't see it. So I got to find him. These are somewhere. It's kind of like finding Jenny in her office. Yeah. In real life. Sometimes you want to go where Travis radio guy's insane. Did you find the detective? Of course, yeah. Nick is my second main guy. Is he? Dogmeat's my number one. I got Dogmeat like super heavy armor and a dog helmet and a little bit of Dana. What? Nice. What's that Irish brawler, Caitlyn? I don't have her yet. She's terrible at being company, but she's great because she can pick all the locks for me. I just keep brawling. Where do you find her? She's in... She's kind of like half Brian Brushwood. She's not combat alley. What's that, something? Combat something? Like it's like a little coliseum that's like all matches. She hates you. Like she totally just doesn't like you, but she's a great combat person and she can pick all the locks for me. Interesting. Oh my God. Well, I know what I'm doing. What brings us to a close of Face the Vault. Thank you everyone for watching. We'll have to look forward to besides my child.