 We're now in the Netherlands section of Eureka Park, I think, in the Sands Hotel at CES. And of course, I had to stop by a Netherlands booth because we have a lot of friends in the Netherlands. And I'm here with Dr. Johan van der Hoet. Did I get close? Yes, that's correct. Perfect. Yes. We're going to talk about a really interesting medical device. What are you showing us here today? That's correct. So what we're showing here is an innovative device for detecting epilepsy during night because one in 100 people does suffer from epilepsy. And if you have epilepsy, if you're lucky, you can get medication that works. But if you're unlucky, one third of the population with epilepsy is not helped by any kind of medicine. So meaning that every day they're afraid when the next epilepsy seizure will occur. Now if you want to take care of somebody with epilepsy, it's important that you're there after a seizure or during a seizure. During daytime, it's a challenge, but it's doable. There's people around. Exactly. So at night, there's a real challenge because the people that are taking care of it, the people with epilepsy sleep themselves. If they're professional caregivers, they cannot stay in the same room. And they would stare at somebody sleeping. Yeah, yeah. Well, actually at this time, if you would be a parent with a child with epilepsy, you're advised to sleep with your child all night, every night. So a group of neurologists from the Netherlands, they joined forces and they've worked for 15 years on a large research project. It started as a research project to detect all kinds of dangerous epileptic seizures during night. And these are seizures where you could potentially die from. This is a group of different kinds of seizures. I don't name them all, but all of them have a potential risk. And what the group of neurologists did is gather a group, a large group of patients, measure their heart rate changes and their movement patterns. And based on that, develop an algorithm that can detect these kinds of seizures during sleep in very high sensitivity with very low false alarms because this is a challenge. Right, right. So this is developing essentially a profile of what a seizure looks like with heart rate and what else did you say? Movement patterns. Oh, interesting. Shaking or whatever. Yeah. But a specific type. Yes. But there are a lot of seizure types that do not involve movement and still are dangerous. So that's why we also added the parameter of heart rate changes. And this combination has yielded this product as a spin-off of this group of neurologists. It's called the Night Watch. It's worn on the upper arm, like here. It has a heart rate sensor and a movement sensor. You wear it when you go to sleep. I'm going to describe this for the audience as well. It's basically like maybe three inches by two inches and it's just held by a light elastic band. It looks pretty comfortable actually. Yeah. And the idea is it's just shipped in a box like this. And the idea is that if you are helped by this, you do not need to connect it to any mobile phone. It's just a solution that works out of the box. It doesn't have to be configured on a specific patient. It works out of the box. Now the idea is you wear it on your upper arm and the base station that is connected wirelessly to this device, you place it on the table next to the bed of the parents, for example, or in a professional care setting, you could connect it to a nurse call system. Okay. So it's got an ethernet jack so it connects to the network and then has a wireless transmission from the device. Yeah. But you don't need to connect it to anything if you just work, it's like a baby monitor in basic. You can just put this on your bedside if you have a child with epilepsy. As soon as the device detects a seizure, a danger seizure, this is going to ring. You're going to wake up. You're going to check on your baby. Wow. That is pretty cool. So I see you've got an iPad in here. Yeah. But this is only for demonstration. Or it's not an iPad. Yeah. Oh, okay. So you can see what it would look like on screen. Yeah. So there is an app though? Yeah. Well, there is an online data portal that you can use for exporting the data. So all the measurements can be uploaded so you can get overviews of your seizures after each night and get overviews. But the interesting philosophy behind this machine, this device, is that you do not need it. So if you are, because you can imagine that if you're facing with epilepsy and you cannot sleep because your child has severe epilepsy, if you need to connect to an iPhone or a smartphone, you are in constant, you have... Yeah. If everything... Okay. If my battery is charged and everything. This is... A lot of worry. And you're trying to get away from worry. Exactly. So if you do not connect it to the internet, it still works. And if you decide to connect it to the internet, then you'll get all kinds of data, storage and insights and that kind of stuff. And those insights, I would imagine, would be helpful to show to a doctor as far as medication and... Exactly. Okay. Exactly. That's true. So if you compare this to what is there in the market now and why this is so innovative, the big thing is there is so many different devices out there that can detect epilepsy. I mean, you explained to me that you're an engineer. You can imagine that it's not very difficult to create a device that detects specific movements. But so it's fairly easy to create a device that detects epilepsy. It's very important, difficult to design a machine that detects epilepsy but does not ring on other events. Okay. So it's a false alarms that are... That's worse, right? Well, not worse. I guess it's better to be notified but if nobody can sleep because it's going off all the time. That's absolutely true. Like dreams, for example, right? Well, that's absolutely true. And that's why... And I really make this as a statement that at this point there is no device in the market that is working as good as this device because we have performed a very large clinical study where we compare this device to the best available alternative on professional level, which is a movement-based sensor in the bed. And we detect... The night watch detects nine out of ten of all dangerous seizures, while as the bed mattress detects 25 percent. So it's a huge improvement. Wow, that is fantastic. I wanted to ask you to repeat something you said at the very beginning because I think I misheard it. I thought I heard you say that one out of a hundred people has epilepsy, but that's not the statistic, right? Well, there's a lot of different statistics out there. If you would go around here and interview people, one in a hundred people suffers from epilepsy. One out of 50 of each person will be having epilepsy somewhere during their lives. Really? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to go double-check that stack. I mean, you know your business, but I've only met like one or maybe two people my entire life, and I've been around 61 years, so I didn't know the statistic was that high. Yeah. Well, I don't know, maybe it's different in your country, but I would doubt that. No, I doubt it. I don't think biology is that much different. No, I think so. I think so. Yeah. I have a bad habit of arguing with people who are experts in a subject, so I wanted to check that. No, I mean, the thing is that if you have epilepsy, it's not always a lifetime disease. It can come and go away. Okay, so let me ask one other question. There are seizures that are not epileptic. Is that correct also? Well, that's correct, but then it's not called epilepsy. So if you are diagnosed with epilepsy in the Netherlands, you are diagnosed with epilepsy if you have at least two seizures that are diagnosed as epilepsy. Okay. Okay. So it is a distinct thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It has a huge impact on your life because you cannot drive a car and that kind of stuff. Oh, right. Oh, sure. Yeah. And people that take care of you have to be very aware of you, because if you look at death due to epilepsy in the Netherlands, there's 17 million people living in the Netherlands, and each year, 150 people, they die in their sleep due to epilepsy. Oh, wow. Wow. This is an important question. Yes, and this is the thing. The chances of dying from epilepsy are not huge, but they are considerable. And this is the major fear at parents, at caregivers, that you go in the morning to a person with epilepsy and he has a disease during the sleep. So the thing is that... Whether it's likely to happen or not, if you're afraid of it at all times, this would be a good thing. The thing is, the thing is, death due to epilepsy is called SUDEP, S-U-D-E-P, and it's called sudden and expected death due to epilepsy. The thing is they don't know why exactly it's happening, but they know it's happened after a seizure, and they also know that if somebody is present in the room, it almost never happens. Now we have a device that guarantees you that in nine out of ten types of seizures, you are warned and you are there in the room. Very good. So this looks fairly productized already. When do you expect to be able to ship this? Yeah, well, we already shipped this in Europe. We are on the Dutch market for over one and a half year. We have already obtained market leader position with this device. We shipped nearly 1,000 units already, and we are now expending the business. So this is the first time we bring it to the U.S. It is a medical device. You have to do FDA approval. Yeah, so we are in the early stage of this process, but then we hope to meet a lot of people that can help us with that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So the name of the product is Night Watch, and the name of the company is? Live Assured. Live Assured? Yeah. And what's your website? It's www.nightwatchappelapsee.com. Nightwatchappelapsee.com. Thank you very much. This is an important product. Well, thank you for having us. Yeah.