 Anyway, welcome and hope everybody had some free holidays. So we'll go ahead and call the we need to order. I guess you can hear the roll call there. And we'll wait for you to get down and do the introduction of Ronnie. Seven, are you going to do that? The introduction of Ronnie? Yes, I can do that. Okay. Ronnie Mayness is our new senior services manager. We were thinking that Ronnie wasn't going to be able to start until actually next Monday. And Ronnie called me and said, what do you think about the 27th of December? And that's like, no, we don't want you here. No, no, no. So Ronnie was kind enough to start on the 27th. As the ground running and running, you want to say anything? Yeah, I'm very excited to be here that great support from the entire team, entire team here, just to make sure that I get settled in. I, you know, I'm learning a lot of logistics to my role, how we operate here as a team, as a facility. And so a lot of learning, a lot of learning, a lot of processing, a lot of digesting. And very thankful for the team I have in that learning process for sure. So I am very thankful that I have been able to start earlier than my anticipated. And on January 9th date, I was going to just get a feel of what it is we're doing here and how I could best support. And I was really interested for that one. So January 9th seemed a long way the way. And I'm glad I was able to get in before that. So very excited to be here. Very thankful, very thankful for this opportunity. And I look forward to working with you as a board to just support our community. So thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Can we also go around? So I would suggest, I know you will probably remember, unless, well, I'm a pretty kid, he's a lot younger and all of it, but or most of us, but if we can go around and introduce ourselves. I'm Beth Bowles and I'm glad to be here with all of you. This is my first board meeting. And I've been a peer volunteer. I guess we're called peer support volunteers. They used to be peer counselors. And I've been in that role for about three years. And I just am here because it was presented and I decided it was something I could do. So I hope I'm helpful. I'm Jeanine Perron. I'm in my second three year term on the board. So I'm the last of the old guys. And I volunteer here at the senior center as resource manager. And welcome. I'm glad you're here honey. Hi, I'm Julie Houser. I have been on the board for two years. I'm starting with this year. I also am with the Long Island Symphony Hill. I'm the president of that, okay, everybody. And I got involved. I'm a real estate agent as well. But I got involved just because of the fact that my mom is a senior and I am now considered a senior at 55 and represent the youngest, you know, level of seniors in our community. And I thought it would be important to sort of figure out how we can create a senior center that appeals to the younger generation and the generations of the seniors. So that's why I'm here. Hi, Ronnie. I am Marcia Martin. I am the city council liaison to this board. So they don't get a vote. So you won't be offended when I am staying for everything except I never keep my mouth shut. So I talk as much as anyone else on the board. And I just want you to know that whenever I talk about the senior center and this board, I always say, thank you. I always say that this is the most effective board that I have ever sat on as liaison. And also the most effective institution in the city in terms of fulfilling its mission. So you and me have a high guard. And welcome. Hi. Thank you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. And I'm Marcia and we met and all wrong. I've been on the board for this. Start my 50 or now and work with the school district retired. I'm David Grunow. Where are you from? Born and raised. Denver, South Denver. South Denver? South Denver and Colorado Native. I'm always interested. I am probably the oldest one on the board, I think. That gives me no particular claim, I guess, but I haven't retired a long time. My particular interest is on this board are sustainability issues. And the aids on to the sustainability coalition. And I also attend, I'm not a voting member on anything, but I also attend the sustainability advisory board to try to keep myself up to date to the extent of what kinds of issues are going on with those groups that would impact seniors. And so I try to report that back. That's where I'm at. I'm Ruth Ellis. This is my second year. And I have learned so much since I have been on this board about what goes out in Boulder County and services available. It's amazing. So I'm really glad to be here. I had senior family members who don't live in Boulder County and what hassle it is to get services coming in. So I have really, really appreciate everything that's done here. And the senior center has just been a lifeline for me too. You will find out that one of my less than positive things to say about what goes on is the registration process for classes and programs here. It's really difficult to use that registration system. I don't know more about that, but well it's nice to meet all of you. I also want to introduce Christina Pacheco. Christina has been with the city for many years. But was just recently named the director of human services. Christina will be overseeing senior services as part of her duty. Thank you. I'm excited to be here and excited to work closely with Lonnie and the team. And just excited to be taking on this new challenge. Welcome. We talked about you at the Latina coalition. You did. Hopefully it was good. Just kidding. I know about board there. Thank you. It was all good. Thank you. Thank you. We're really happy to hear that. Okay, election of chair nominates someone for that position. Who is the current chair? She would cut off the board in December. And she ended her term and didn't bring it out. Okay. Julie, would you consider it? I don't, I don't think I can. Yeah, unfortunately, I just feel like I have too much going on already with work and my other presidency. And I feel that's kind of one of my concerns too. I don't know, even when you are interested, they would do a good job of keeping us about what's going on. You could check in on the research you've been doing, et cetera. But I just think they would really be the other one. What's that? Either one of you two. Is there anyone that would call in here? So we're trying to talk them into it. I nominate Sheila. That is so unfair, because she already nominated you. Are you kidding me? Sheila's out of the country. She had sent that. I said that I was absolutely not going to do that. I got a full point, I really do. Okay, ask. What does the president do other than conduct meetings? They also meet with staff to set the agenda, and we generally the only other thing outside of this meeting, and I don't know what Browning will do in the future, but Susan and I, the last couple of months, would meet and have a pre-conversation about the agenda. But beyond that, it really isn't a lot outside of Browning's meeting, and I will be around as long as whoever wants to do that to support them in starting to feel more comfortable, and then Ronnie will take over that as he feels comfortable. Oh, let me make a campaign speech. Well, I think you got it. Yeah. Yeah, this is not going to look at the way I figured this morning. See, most boards, I've been on a lot of boards and committees. This, what I like to see in a board is something that has different projects that they grab hold, and they grab onto, and they work on, and they make recommendations, and they're implemented. Now, this is an embroidery board, I understand that. We could make advice all day long, and there's no particular reason you have to follow it. But on the other hand, I do think that for a board to be valuable, and they need to make recommendations to the management that are worthwhile, and that would be followed. And so if I did that, I'd be approaching it from that perspective, not just, you know, conducting a meeting. And I do have some limits on my time. I just, I'm just blathering now, but I just volunteered. I was telling Janine a little earlier, I just volunteered for, to be on the Architectural Committee for our HOA, which I don't particularly care about that, except that we can, I want to use that as a platform to develop some sustainability issues within the HOA, and maybe that could grow into a sustainability issue, which I see is taking a lot of time. So that's why, that's why Frank might be interested. So, I'll nominate that, thank you for pressure. Well, I'm going to come to Dave's rescue and say, you know, it's not horrendously time consuming, and truly for those who don't know, I did it for a couple of years. And what I know about myself is that I am fairly straightforward, and that people with better skills, management skills would probably be better in this position, which Dave is absolutely qualified for in every way. But I also understand, because we were neighbors and we're friends. And I brought him into this, so I'm trying to save him from being talked into doing something that he really is limited in time and may not want to do. And I, and personally I feel like that should be a consideration, because everybody feels guilty when they say no, you know. And I, and I just, because I'm an outspoken person, I'm going to say that. So, you weren't offering yourself up. Oh, you were just saying it's okay for him to say no. Randy, you remember when I did that. Marcia, you remember when I, I thought you did a great job. I was surprised. I thought the only reason you weren't under discussion was because you've already done your time. Well, I had done my time, but I just feel like I'm so outspoken that this board needs a little gentler soul with me, you know. I don't know about that. So, I would, I would like to say something to both of you then, all right. Because Dave, I think you put your hammer right on the nail where the, this board is the weakest. You know, I just said what a great word I think this is. The reason I think it's great is because you have all this outreach into other related functions in the county and, and you know, that's wonderful, but you bring back all of that know-how in. The weak point is that the board has recommended very little to the council. And I just want to say that at least in my book, that is one of the best ways to move council is to have an advisory board make an actual concrete recommendation, whether it's a policy change or an operational change, which we really don't control, but it still, you know, makes the point. So I would love to see Dave do that. I also thought, Janine, that you were a really strong president and did a great job. Thank you. So vote with a clear conscience, guys, but either of these two people would agree. Is there anybody that wants it? Okay. And Dave, I would support you in that effort in a way I could. Okay. All right. I, I will too. I'll do whatever you want me to do. Okay. I'll even go to city council meetings. All right. Do we need a second for that motion? Okay. I have a motion, Dave. Second. All in favor. Okay. Now, here, next thing on the agenda is the vice president. All right. So you've already agreed to be vice chair, right? You'll be vice chair. Well, I've been there, but if no one else is interested. Okay. All right. I'll, I'll, I'll entertain a motion for vice, for vice chair. You need a second? No, we don't have a motion yet. So, okay. Well, if there's no, my, my, Robert's rules of order are a little rusty, but if, if you're volunteering to be vice chair, would someone make a motion that we elect? I'll make a motion. Okay. Second. Second. All right. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. We'll look together. Election of the secretary. All right. Does anybody want to be secretary? Does anybody want to make a motion to be secretary? It's a tough job. That's the worst. Ruth. Who's that? I nominate, I nominate Ruth. All right. There's a second one. Second. Second. All right. A second. All right. Ruth, there's a second. Okay. And so you can start taking notes right now. Like I'm panning. Looks like Jeff's doing a good job over here. Okay. So far. Yeah. Any discussion of the nomination for secretary? All right. Hearing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Can I ask who made the motion? I made the motion. Julie, made the motion. And the second. And the second was... Who was the second? On who? On the vice president? Yeah. On the secretary. Oh, I don't know. Oh, Jenny. Okay. It goes back to there. Okay. So we've got our new board. Recognize the new board member. And that would be Beth. And anything further you'd like to say, Beth? You've already introduced yourself, but we're glad to have you. I'm glad I didn't volunteer for anything. It was only a matter of time. I thought you were going to say something at one point. That's good. You still have an opportunity to say something. No, I'm fine. Yeah, thank you. I'm fine. Okay. I know what it's like to have that happen to you. All right. Introductions and welcome. I guess we've done all of that, right? Public to be invited to be heard three minutes to a person. Is there any public here to be heard? Hearing none. We'll go to the old business, which is discussion of library recreation and culture tax proposal of region communication. We need to do the minutes. Oh, sorry. Where are the minutes? Number four. Oh, I missed them. I'm sorry. And I apologize. Prudence sent those in a different format this time. So if you're not comfortable approving them that way, I can, I will take and put them in the normal format if you're more comfortable. What's the normal format? She's not in a paragraph by paragraph sort of. I really liked this. It was very clear. It was concise. Yeah. Right now that I could clean it. Yes. It wasn't just reading me. Yeah. I liked it. Okay. I don't mind the format. I like a little more detail. It was pretty brief. But the format is fine. All right. Are there any corrections or additions to the minutes? Anybody make a motion to approve the minutes? Make a motion. Julie? Make a motion. A second? A second. Any discussion? All those in favor of approving the minutes? Aye. All right. Any opposed? All right. The minutes are approved without correction. No. We can go to all business. Okay. On the discussion, will that be you? Do you want to leave this, Marsha, or do you want me to? I can't see the agenda, and I didn't. So last month, yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. So there's a bunch of stuff about that. I'd like to start by summarizing the council presented a list of public amenities that there's no money to invest in them now, and the council wants to consider a valid question for the fall that will fund some of these things. It could be one ballot question or two ballot questions, because Colorado has a non-rolling statute, which means that unrelated things can't be in the same funding ballot question. So we can't put the library and the recreation center together. There are some, you know, the definition of related is somewhat squishy. So I have just, for example, been having conversations. Well, you know, the Boulder Public Library, for example, has not a huge theater, but a fairly substantial theater. So it might be that the library and theater, as they're both culture and knowledge, could be lumped into one ballot question. And then the sum or all of the recreational, you know, things could be lumped into another one. So you could have, in essence, a mind and body, as it were, as two ballot questions. The other thing that you would want to know is that to fund everything on that list, both, you know, the reasonable amount of capital investment and enough tax that would continue to provide operational support would be a quarter of a billion dollars of funded stuff. And that is, depending on how it's broken down, that's significant tax increases. Jeff, probably, I bet you have the numbers with you. Yeah. And so if anybody wants to know, we'll go into them. So there's a number of approaches that can be taken. One is to prioritize things off the list. Another is to do some this year and some next year or two years from now. And then the other thing to be considered is, you know, what we really want is a progressive tax, you know, like income taxes used to be in this, you know, the Eisenhower era, where, you know, people who have very high incomes paid a lot and people who have low incomes paid very little. Our taxes, our federal taxation system isn't so much like that anymore. But the tool tools in our toolbox are sales taxes and property taxes. Well, property taxes tend to be progressive in the, you know, if you have more money, you probably have a house with a higher value. Sales taxes are truly regressive. They fall the hardest on poor. But there are kind of exceptions to that rule on both sides. So, for example, Longmont has visitors and hopes to have more visitors and, you know, some of these things are meant to attract more visitors from outside the city limits. And so that means sales taxes are good because people who aren't from Longmont pay them. And in fact, the data that we have says that we already, because of our big box stores, that's why Longmont didn't suffer during the pandemic in terms of city revenue because we had a huge draw from outside the area of people coming to shop in our big box stores. And now we're about to get a Costco opening this spring, which will be right in the middle of that draw area. And it's very accessible to drive to from almost anywhere. So that tends to lead things towards sales taxes because it means that all those other guys are paying for it. So, you know, one of the things that we're looking at is whether to the proportion of this that would be funded by a mill levy and the proportion of it that would be funded by sales tax. And then I guess that's the background that I'd like to lay. And again, it falls into several big categories. There's a branch library. There is a number of recreational things because we probably should have at least one more and probably two more rec centers the size of the one that we have. Dry Creek Park has been hanging fire forever. And it was the most concretely promised locale for a new rec center. And then all of our swimming pools are falling apart. So we, you know, to upgrade or replace at least centennial pool, which is really falling apart. And, and then we have some opportunities for um new outdoor amenities on on city owned land. So I think those are the three categories some are oh and a center for the performing arts, which is near and dear to my heart by the way, just so that you will know that I'm prejudiced on this. Because I think it's a matter of social equity. You know, if you are um working age and have children and are earning good money and each parent has either zero or one job, then you can go down to the Denver Center performing arts or fillers green or whatever your genre is basically anytime you want. And you can have your kids in, you know, regional hockey leagues or regional swim teams as much as you want because, you know, you don't have any extra stuff to do. So you can cart your kids all around you could indulge your own personal taste for culture. But for middle class and down and also for seniors, just because it's so difficult to attend those things, the only way to go there is is driving parking is horrible, whether it's Mackie Auditorium in Boulder or Denver Center for Performing Arts or the amphitheaters, you know, are just a major investment of a day to get there. So except for the privilege, the extraordinarily abled, those aren't available to us. But for our children and our, you know, and our seniors, they'd be so much more accessible if they were here. So, you know, that's my argument for that because it doesn't really, you know, doesn't necessarily fit with the others, although I'm, you know, it could kind of get in with a library. But the, and that's really true of all these amenities that Longmont got behind because of the flood, we had to put all our efforts into just putting ourselves back together. It's been a decade and we're finally on the very last leg of that with the bond issues that just passed last election. And so this is where we start catching up. So it's a really important question. And I have a question. So really, the information you shared was really interesting. How does it relate to senior advisory board? Well, as Dan just pointed out, the board has the capability that it has not necessarily used that much to make recommendations to council. Or of these facilities? Yeah, for, in particular, for the prioritization. And then the other thing is that begin, correct me if I'm wrong on the timeline here, Jeff, but usually this kind of outreach begins around Sink of Demio being the first outdoor public event that we have. The city will begin an outreach effort talking to the people, holding focus groups, holding lotteries at the outdoor events. I hope we do a lot more than we have in the past, in terms of, you know, really intelligent outreach and educating people. But anyway, it starts this spring. And so what we want to do is understand what the public's priorities are and what would be the most used and what they miss the most and where the inequities really lie. And so as a group that, among other things, represents a demographic stratum of this community, the senior population, excuse me, Julie, I wave my arms when I get back. And, you know, one of your roles is to, is to tell us what you think and why. So the discussion is, first, what do we think about this? And second, what are we going to do about it? And, and that can be from what kind of outreach can we do to our demographic to do we want to move the needle? Do we want to raise awareness of this process and, and maybe try to move the needle in terms of what we think would be the most important thing to support our community? So if that, does that answer your question? We've got a blank slate here. So in addition to the rec center, there were the programming space specific to seniors. The senior center will always be the hub. But one of the challenges that we have here is not enough space. And so what we have proposed is adding multiple being our programming space so that we're not putting all our A's in one basket. It would also serve another area of the community. And then, again, it wouldn't be another senior center, but it would be programming space like you have here in senior center right now with D and E and room or in so that some things could happen there as well as here. So that's, I think that answer your question. What, what does the senior services get out of this? Janane? Well, I know I can speak for the, for the community that I choose to represent on this board. And all of these things I agree are needed. I also, I also am aware of the fact that people, especially in the community that I represent, are overwhelmed right now with trying to purchase food. Number one, pay their utility bills. That is two and a half times what it was last month this month and gas and just expenses. And if you're going to reach out to the community to pass taxes and bonds for things that you please focus on one thing at a time because my community is overwhelmed with affording to live day by day. And I would like that to be a consideration and it would be because my vote, my community also votes. Right. And that's, that's right. You know, if, if we can't, but if we could put all quarter of a billion dollars worth of debt guarantee you it would just fail. No one would vote for that. So, you know, all of those things. So, so Janane started out exactly right. That's one viewpoint and it's certainly like everybody knows we can't pass a quarter of a billion in new debt. We're just not that much of a city right now. And so the everybody gets an opinion and everybody gets a, you know, we can define a strategy about how to provide the most informed opinion for our demographic. And excuse me. And so that's the discussion and I'm going to start keeping my mouth shut. I think that, you know, I think that that considering all of the everything that's been spoken here is that really what our, I think our duty as a, as a board is to decide what, what piece of that is the most important for the senior community? And how do we present that to the city council? Good point. Right. And, and, and then see if we can, like you said, you know, push the, the city council to, to see our point of view and maybe raise the bar and get things done for us. Any other questions for Marshall? I just wanted to mention that, you know, that is his name completely stating the cultural facility question has been around for a long time. And Dr. Sculptor, the plastic surgeon, he was very involved. Schmidt, thank you. He and his, the people that were trying to raise money and get, I don't know if they did a study or not back then. That was a while back, quite a while back. And there wasn't the support that was needed. And I think, do you know about the history of that, Marcia? I don't know all of the history. I think it's really important to, to research that. Yeah, what I do know is, is that in the last, well, it was finished about the time we locked down for the pandemic. There was a big feasibility study that was funded by a combination of the city visit one month, the economic development, the downtown development, and the arts community for a bigger chunk than anybody else. But so that study was a partnership funding. And I have that, I can make sure that everybody has a link to it. But, you know, it can be read. So yeah, it's, that is, is a question of, of, it's a question of whether the public would vote for it. Now, we never know what the public is going to do. We had a really beautiful, large scale rec center with pool, pool and ice. And for a number of reasons, it failed on the ballot measure. It was all by itself, just that, just one rec center. And what we kind of found out was that, first of all, a lot of people voted no, because the city wouldn't promise what neighborhood it would be in. A lot of people voted no, because the way it was messaged, made people think that it was only for the sports teams and the high schools and everything else. And it wasn't a public rec center, which was false, completely false. But a lot of people believed that and a lot of people still believe that. And, and then I think a lot of people that don't want growth in the city leveraged all that and, and actively opposed building the thing at all. So it failed. And that kind of, you know, it was kind of a surprise. Because we really think people really want physical recreation facilities. So, yeah, it's, it's a hard problem. To follow up on Julie's point, timeline, he probably said, I didn't get it, but what are we talking about as far as getting some sort of recommendation to the council? Well, you know, to our slice of the population. This is what they did. Yeah, I, I didn't really give a very close timeline. It would go like this. The city outreach does start in about spring, usually. And if we could probably come forth with a recommendation from this board any time over the summer, does that feel right to you, Jeff? Yeah, maybe early summer. Okay. Because, you know, I hope the city isn't going to have its thumb on the scale. I mean, I want a thumb on the scale, but that's me. That's not the city. So, so I hope that that the city's outreach will not necessarily be influenced by the recommendation of this board, the council's decision, which will be made in August. Is that right? Because we have to refer the ballot measure. I think that might have to happen in July. Because I think in August you have to set what is on the ballot in November. Okay. All right. We should, yeah, I thought we, I thought we'd referred things in August before. Because it's the end of August. So I don't know. But yeah, we don't have a whole lot of time. So this would be, this would be the board's first project if we decided to do some outreach work. And, and either I or Jeff can actually verify what the preferred timeline. Now, would it be helpful for the, for this advisory board, for the senior center, since the people that participate in the programs here are the most active people that would possibly utilize all of these things. So I don't think it would entail a lot to have a survey from now until with our participants, just a simple survey and maybe pass them out in classes, maybe, you know, to find out what they feel. That would be a good representative group. Who put the monthly in-person surveys on the agenda? That, that was me based on last month's conversation. Okay. I was just going to follow up on that. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see that. So your, this survey is different that that's on the agenda than what you're reading. I want our audience to be able to give us an indication, not just the board, but our audience. Yeah, I would agree. And, and the city marketing team is working on that survey so that what you as a board and the users of the senior center would get the same survey as what is provided to the rest of them. Well, except that the city's marketing team survey does not have to be the only survey. Right. So, so if, if we had to, you know, decided that a different outreach method or, you know, the way of looking, you know, work through meals on wheels because, you know, we need to look at, at unserved and underserved communities as well as the active. I mean, being active in your 70s and 80s is a privilege always on. And you have to be active to utilize all of those proposals. Well, yes and no, depending on how the, because every, every amenity is a service. So it could be designed to involve people just like the senior center is. And that's sort of the point is that maybe there would be more people who would utilize the space if it was built to accommodate them and it was there. Like it, like maybe because the senior center is so far away from North, North, um, Longmont, right, that people don't want to take the track in to get here. Right. So if we had something that was closer to them, maybe they would utilize it. Transportation is an issue. It's terrible. Yeah. I want to go out. I, you know, the thing that's very important is the education and the informing of people and, you know, we're, we're, I don't feel that everybody has been, and there's no way you can inform everybody, but I think we need to let people know what's going on. And, you know, we use the technology. We use the, use the stuff like that, but I was, I guess I'm, I'm looking at one thing that the majority of the people in the city of Brighton get is the utility bill, correct? And I was just wondering, and I don't know if we can recommend it, if that would be something that would be educational or not, but to, that we have a page added to the the mayor's notes and the other activities going on that would deal specifically with, you know, something like this. I don't know if that is possible, or I don't know what it takes, or who decides what's going to go on, that, what do you call that? Yeah, city line or a link. And the answer is, by the way, that, that I think that the city line is fixed in size, but, but the content is fungible. So if, if we wanted an article, and, and this probably is shared with city art marketing, but we would, you know, make recommendations for what it should say or, or that it exists at all. It could, it could be a candidate, you know, for, for May, or, or even April, or even June, to go in there. It also, we have the bill. And again, it's, you know, what will, how will the ballot questions, what's being considered? And, you know, what, what each one would need. I'm thinking that politicians campaign. And that it makes sense to me that if we need to prioritize these in the community in general, and we want people's input, we need to actively campaign by going to where they go. Like Cinco de Mayo celebrations by having campaigning or information tables or people collecting that information from the community where, where the community is meeting for whatever they're meeting for. And that might give us a better idea because I love the go, but most of the people I represent, either a, don't read it or don't get it or whatever, whereas this is about the entire community of which we are a segment. So I've got one more question related to this. In the feasibility study that was done, did they give the city an indication or specific details about other 100,000 people cities, population cities, what their facilities are? Yes, and I can send you the study. It's pretty long. I just would be interested in the answer to that question. I'll send the link out to that, to the PowerPoint that was shared with council as well. Is it broken down into the, so I could dig into it easily? It's pretty accessible. If you study this, the table of contents, you can tell what to skip. But it's good on objectives and things like that. I also have a shortcut in accordance with, because of things that I think need to, need to be re-looked at, stuff changed in the last two years. And there are more questions. There's more than one way of skinning some of these cats. There's the idea that some of the things that are on this list maybe don't belong on it because they could be funded other ways. Are you saying you'd send out the report or the PowerPoint or both to all the members? One of the things that I think is important to take on to from my part and say, excuse me, about having some sort of, you know, flyer that goes out with the utility belt. The other thing we need to consider is that there are a lot of people who don't get the utility belt. My utility belt comes via email. And I don't actually pay for it. So I don't even look at it. It goes to my husband. So we have to consider that. And I think that one thing that would be really important to look at is that if we decide on something that we're going to recommend to the city is then looking at how can we market that right to the community so that they're on board with it. And so that means looking at how do we do it by flyer paper by, you know, maybe door knocking by, you know, email, social media, all of those things so that we have a complete almost marketing plan of what we're going to do and how we're going to approach bringing this issue that we want to recommend to the city council make it clear to the community. If it's all right, I think it would be good that we just have our agenda every month. And what staff will do is as the city staff are meeting about the process, I will report back every month on what's going on, what schedules are and also share your feedback back to that group as well. That'd be good. How do you want to proceed? We throw a lot of stuff out here. I can only handle so much. How do we how do we want to proceed on this? I'll just throw out one idea is there's always committees and I could suggest that maybe two or three of us meet a time or two before the next meeting and kind of come up with a strategy like you're talking about. Let's take some work. Can I throw something up? I'm wondering if that strategizing about marketing plans is something that our marketing folks are actually already going to be doing. So it might be recreating them a little bit. Is there a way to connect the two? So let's say if we have a committee, then meet with someone at the day so that we know. Yes. Okay. I just want to for me committees, the committee has to either have meetings posted on its own, which you can do by going to Dawn or anybody in the city clerk's office coming handle that for us. Or if it's two people on a committee, you can do whatever you want, but we can't have, you know, we can't have three or four people meeting separately because of open unions. And the other thing again, I would personally worry about reinventing the wheel because the whole city is one demographic. The senior demographic is another demographic that will not get the same consideration from the whole city. So, you know, so having this board make recommendations, maybe it gets rolled into the city's marketing campaign, or maybe it is something, you know, takes some of their form. What I heard Julie talking about is that there's no one place to message. Yeah, I would suggest that we give the committee a chance to meet the city staff committee. I then can report back at early February, which then can better inform the board of maybe what your next steps are. Yeah, I mean, because we feel like if the committee meets with the city marketing to find out, you know, what is just the, what's the, you know, the steps, you know, that they're thinking, and then if there's something that we feel like as a group isn't addressed, then maybe we can bring it back to the marketing. So, do they meet on a monthly basis? Well, we haven't met for quite a while and I keep, I will just share this. I also go to the parking wreck advisory board and I also go to the library board and they're having the same conversations that you all are having and we need to start reporting information back to you so you can help the bigger cause and the clock is ticking and we need to get to it moving on that. I'm talking about city staff, not you all. All the meetings we're talking about so far, although we've stopped so far, yes, to develop a plan, your marketing committee, it's the same. I verify something because I'm a little bit confused. So, one of the recommendations that they want from this board would be prioritizing these certain terms of taxing because if it's priority, that's something we can discuss and say, you know, library wreck culture, assuming that not everything's going to be proposed at the same tax, you know, at the same tax request. So, the first step is what would our priorities be? Yeah, priorities. I think, again, there's two real questions in terms of property taxes, you know, the real exception to the property tax thing. If you are a doctor and a lawyer who are married to each other and you live in Rainbow Ridge, you probably don't even look at your top property tax bill, even though it's huge. But if you are either a widower or even an older couple but retired on a fixed income and you live in a really nice house, but you're on a fixed income, your property tax may suddenly be a significant piece of your budget. And so, those are people who might be harmed by a property tax increase. So, you know, those are things that this demographic could weigh in on. Because on the other hand, if you are a well-established resident, sales taxes may not mean so much because you've got all your stuff. You know, your purchases, except for things like food, are very discretionary. You know, like, I don't care that this shirt is seven years old, right? And, you know, so, I don't buy a lot of clothes. And so, sales taxes. Okay, so the, I want to make sure I'm tracking here, the endpoint of all of this is the ballot measure. Yes. Which would be Marsha, I just want to bring up one more thing. The thing that comes to mind during this whole discussion is fundraising. A lot of these things to me are special interest items. And I would love to know if the money that was spent on the feasibility study included how those things were funded for cities that were 100,000 population. There is some information in that, not as much as necessarily could have been provided. So, one thing that's in there, you sound like you've read it with a magnifying glass. I haven't read it with a magnifying glass, but I have read it. Did you see that, Julie? The feasibility study? I mean, did you see what I'm looking for? I feel like, I think like Marsha said, I feel like there's a little bit, but So, for example, there's a table that says whether each facility is operating at a profit or at a loss, and to what extent it is subsidized by the municipality surrounding it. So, that's a big part of it. How it got to happen is different. That would be nice to know. It would be nice to know. Also, that's nice to know is that the theater, and I think no other piece of this, is on the staff's list of prioritized things. Most of it are things that the presumption is that would be entirely paid for by this tax. On the other hand, the theater arts complex is not entirely paid for by this tax. There is a presumption of private investment, including both donations and, well, donations are investors in the sense of builders who would get something out of it, although it was never expected to operate as a profit. Yes, and one thing that is recommendations like that. I wouldn't expect these to necessarily come from the board, but if you know, if you've been on the water board or something, Union Reservoir probably doesn't need to be funded by this because it could be funded other ways, but it's on the list. So, those are things that if we know them, you get a bunch of people who have been conscious for 50 or 60 or 70 years, then who knows what we know. So, all bets are off in terms of what we can put into this once we start studying the list. We're a valuable resource just because of who we are. So, in the way we go, I think we see from here is wait until February and see where the report from Jeff, and then decide at that point, which is what we're going to do. Ron, do you have any comments you want to make at this point? I'm just listening. Well, I've got to go along with that. I've got a suggestion or we can just wait until the next meeting. Well, let's hear it. Well, you're going to be sending out the summary and the PowerPoint. So, I would suggest that all of us study that to the extent that you want to. So, we're all more up to speed as far as the whole issue because I certainly don't feel up to speed yet. And I would also like to ask, I do think we need kind of a working group, what we call a working group or committee or whatever. Sorry. I love it. Sorry. Sorry. Don't you have to pay for that? No. How many people would be, you have to post working groups? Yes. If they're accepted, they're accepted. They're two people. Okay. Well, we're not going to be meeting. I'm just saying at this point, is there anybody, I would like to work on this. Is there anybody else that would like to work with me as far as come up with recommendation as our end point to get to the ballot measure that we've been talking about? Anybody want to work with me on that and just kind of be prepared for the next meeting as to where we go and have some ideas on how we might proceed. That's one way of looking at it. Why don't we do it? Oh, I would work with you. Okay. So there's one. Okay. I should not work with you, but I would be available to answer questions. I'm sorry. I have one going once. I have to work on it. Do you already know how much time it's going to take? Oh, I should take part in 30 hours a week. That's as long as it's not full time. Okay. Jeanine, Art, anybody else? Staff will be as involved there as you want us to be. Okay. We would like to be a part of those conversations. Absolutely. Okay. So, Dave, will you clarify that? Are you looking for people to, because we're all going to, you know, do our due diligence and read the feasibility study, as you said, to the depth that we would like to. And then, are you trying to get a group of people to figure out which item we're going to focus on and then pursue it? Or are we all, as a group, going to decide on what we're going to focus on? Yes and no. The way I see it is we need somebody to kind of focus on it, really spend some time on it. And so that's what I'm looking to Art and Jeanine do after the February meeting. Yeah, I'd like to ask some of the people I know in my community, too. I'd like to just throw that out to them and say, what would be, what would your thoughts on this? You know, the more input we can get, the better. But what I'm thinking then that we would, after the February meeting, we'll have more feedback. And at that point, I would say it seems feasible, we'll appoint a committee and then we'll come up with the task of coming up with specific recommendations. So we'll get, can we come up with a committee after February? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, right now, which would probably be the same people that are volunteering right now is what I'm trying to say. But it doesn't have to be. Whoever wants to at the time. But just so we're really clear, is that if the three of you meet, we have to post that. Okay. And staff can do all that to post it. You know, that's always a tricky point. What about informal conversations? We're neighbors. If you two are having a conversation now, but you and Art can have a conversation. But if you three get together to do, that has to be put, I'm gonna say city business, it has to be posted. Okay, and it should be public. Yes. So now sometimes, I mean, that could seriously, if you do it in the spring, it could be on somebody's big front porch, as long as the location is posted, and you don't like somebody coming and sitting on the grass and listening, and somebody needs to take minutes, or you can have recorded on your phone, but there has to be some kind of a record that it happens. It's three or more. Where's it like, can it be posted like down the city? Yeah, that's what you do. You call the city clerk's office and say, this has happened. Yeah. And it also goes on the city website. And how much in advance do we have for at least 24 hours? It's better since it is a public meeting to do it further out than that. So that public has the opportunity to show up and right. A week is really nice. Yeah. They're also busy. You probably have to schedule that fine advance. Well, it's a little fuzzy, you know, what we've just been talking about, but I think we need to put some structure to it so we can get started on it. It's all I'm trying to do. But we will keep you informed. I mean, we'll contact you for you. I don't know if there will be a whole lot of contact between the three of us this next month. I think the main task is just to kind of become familiar with, you know, all right, is everybody okay with that? I don't think we need a motion for that. All right, any other discussion on this whole issue? Oh, I would like to just put in context that that Johnson report is only about the performing arts, excuse me, and the public events center, which would not go on the ballot measure at all, even though the study covered both because that would be privately funded. Okay, so two warnings about that. Don't expect to see anything about the gym. Oh, and right. And then the other thing is all the stuff about an events center would be not relevant to the ballot measure. Jeff, you might extract the council communication that gave the list of things to be prioritized. And the other thing is that wouldn't hurt is the old pool and ice feasibility study just so people can see what one looks like. And it's really it's it's so old that that the money is completely meaningless. And it's, you know, and it having my phone's motion sensor, if I turn it completely over, it shuts off the ring. It doesn't have a good trick. Yeah. But it and we probably would not, especially since the school system did decide to build a Olympic size pool after our bond issue didn't pass. But at least let you know what the elements of it are. But it would be a normal pool and probably no ice or, you know, people could, I mean, that's a requirements thing, you know, the public might have second thoughts and at rhythm on the river, you know, they would all say, we want an ice. We want an ice. That could happen. And so it would be it would be useful from a, you know, an idea standpoint. But it's not the current proposal. Yeah. And any current proposal might have it would the proposal would emphasize things like extra meeting rooms and studios and, you know, things like that, as opposed to this really emphasized, you know, the big stuff. Another thing is that any pool proposal, you know, a warming pool or a warm pool might as likely to be a big deal because of our demographic. Some of you that have been on for a while discussed that at length. And those are who are newer didn't get to hear that discussion. But it's a, but we lost it at the hospital when it was a big loss to the community and minds of our senior population. Any other old business hearing on new business discussed monthly in-person surveys? Yeah, that that came from the information that that David that that you provided as a summary Julian yeah as a summary that the possibility of the board doing monthly surveys to interact with those that are using the senior center and to get their feedback of what's working, how it could be improved or maybe what we need to consider offering. And I think this can dovetail into an idea that the programming staff had. Charles Sloan talked with me about, do we ever have greeters? Do we ever have people like from a board who just volunteered to float the senior center for a couple of hours and greet people and said, well, we've done that at particular events, yes, but not on an ongoing basis. And I thought, well, could that tie together with this idea of doing surveys that maybe once a month there's a board member who signs up for a shift to float the building and talk to people as a greeter and if people want to engage with a survey, could it just be a volunteer not necessarily a board member? Well, it was just it was the board who were interested in the survey and then so that's why I'm just curious. So yeah, I have another idea about that. Is it possible to have a station in the front entry that, you know, here's a survey that we'd like to say, these are the questions that we'd like to, you know, and have a big board so that it's engaging and then maybe people will do a survey on their own instead of having someone there. And instead of handing it out, discussing the questions with the person and help, you know, not just having a survey hand out, but yeah, to discuss it and and get feedback back to know. But I had a little experience of that, you know, when we did that together for the open house, I felt like people were more receptive to me greeting them and asking them a question than they were to sitting down and filling out the form. And we have to make it short, you know, a couple of questions and and get their input that I mean, we can document it, but when you take a piece of paper and a pen and give it to somebody, my experience was they were more resistant to that, but they would talk to me in a second. So I feel like if we did like almost sort of a combination of the two, right, because there are some people that didn't really want anything to do with it, right, but maybe on their own, you know, volition, they might walk over and say, Hey, what's this? And, you know, make some sort of response, but also then have, you know, somebody greeting. However, I will say that it, you know, sounds like a lot of people are very busy. And so I mean, that means that every single one of us is going to have to volunteer that time, right? Once a month, like, well, it's one person a month, it's not, you know, Jean does it every month for the next six months, right? So if we're going to do that, have that kind of a survey, we all have to be willing to participate in that time or involve our volunteer base here at the senior center in assisting with that. If I'm going to be here anyway on Tuesday, I don't have a problem with spending another couple of, you know, two hours to be a griever. Right. It's fine. I would do that. My first impression is that it's not a lot of feedback. For example, if you did it once a month, like six months, one day a month, and it's not a lot of interaction. That's why I feel like if you have a station where they can go to, you know, or we have a link to it, to, you know, to something that they can go to through the go, they can go to the link and they can, but they have a link that they can go to so they can do it at their own time at home, something like that. Can it be both? Yeah. For all of the above, right? Resign, staff involvement also, just board involvement. But we really haven't talked a whole lot about it. This was just as a follow-up to the December meeting. You all can say no if you want. I mean that, but it does, it is intriguing, even if it is two hours a month. I think the, if it's in person, the information you gather is going to be more valuable than if somebody's just selling out a paper survey, even something online. But I would say, and Ronnie, jump in here, that staff would be willing to help as they can. So I think we've developed some type of schedule and plugged names in and work with the comms team to, if we're just going to have the computer or paper surveys, work with the comms team to help us develop the best survey that we can ask for or to get because we, if I write the questions, they're going to be leading. They really know what they're doing and I'm thinking three to five questions at the most. Three at the most, three at the most, three at the most, whatever. Oh, we found that five was too much. I don't know, does everybody think this some form of a survey like our interview that we've been talking about, everybody think that's a good idea that we should pursue? I do. I mean I think that engaging our community to find out what's important to them is really important, right? So we can then, then we have the guidance to direct what we're going with how we can advise to them. And if the board wants it, I'm willing to work to coordinate that, maybe coordinate that with some volunteers if they're interested. So I know how limited your staff is in terms of the demand for their time, but if it's information that I'm doing for the board, I'm happy to be recording. From the comms team helped us do exactly that. Just a, we called it a needs assessment and it was a little longer than three questions, but we had QR codes that people could just, it's a sign in the front and we have paper copies as well. And so for people that wanted to use a phone, they could do that and we got the survey codes right to, right to, digitally. And then we had paper for people that didn't know. How was the response? It was actually pretty, pretty good because of the different ways that we did it. And then I think we may have even put it on our social media thing. So our goal was 200 parents, 200 kids. And so we set specific and it was about how we were going to come back after the pandemic and what kinds of services we needed to provide. And so we set those numbers and then did outreach based on that. I think we would know, one of those specifically what the board wants to know from that survey. Like three things. Start with three. Yeah. And we can see how it goes. Well, okay. You said you incorporated it. So you mean like put together a schedule of who would be, you know, rotated. Yeah. If we can give volunteers to help. I mean, I appreciate the limited time that the staff at the senior center may have to do that, but I would be able to and willing to do that with the board. And if any of the volunteers would like to be a part of that and help me, I would really appreciate that. So would you want to kind of structure it to what would, what would I want to know what, what do we want to know? What services do we want to know about prioritizing the tax thing and what information specifically with this survey do you want to know? And when would this happen? I think we would need to start after our February meeting. Well, I think we get, we get the information that you want, bring it to the comms team, ask the comms team, what's, what are some good three questions to ask to get this information. And hopefully be able to get that by the February meeting. Okay. If you can outline today what it is that you want to know. Right. I don't know. I think, I think the survey was about the feasibility study and what the, the, the recreation, you know, the tax proposal. Are we conflating the two? Yes. Last month, we all were talking about wanting to do sort of ongoing surveying of customers here, about their experience here and what they needed. So, so that's what this was about. It was about services satisfaction and trying to kind of categorize. Seriors. Well, we know what's the name of this survey we're talking about. Oh, I have to find it. We're talking about the monthly surveys now as opposed to outreach about tax. All right. This outreach, I think we're generating these questions and identifying the approach we want to take. I think we need to be mindful of, as you mentioned, what information do we want to collect? Because both proposed methods provide qualitative data and quantitative data. And, you know, the qualitative data gives us the specifics, the conversations we're taking notes, we're collecting that information. As, as for the quantitative data, you know, that's ranking our services on a scale of one to five, right? It does, it gives us the information we need on the services we're providing, but not the specifics, right? It's given us areas of improvement, identifying the things we're doing well, but as for the specifics, the qualitative data, you know, that gives us the, I like this, however, you know, we need these improvements. I would like to see more of this. So it, no one would, information we want will help us shape those questions. And I think that can help us identify our delivery methods, right? If it's that quantitative piece, you know, that's more of those online surveys. We can have computers set up, as I mentioned, the station, computer options, checklists, you know, here's our three questions, rate us in these categories, or if we want somebody floating around, right, asking these questions, recording those notes, that gives us the, it just gives us two different sources of information of the services we're providing. So once we identify those specifics that they can look in our delivery methods. I mean, there'll be some obstacles, like you're doing an informal thing, people coming in, they're coming in for classes, they're on a time line. So we're going to have to kind of look at that and see what works. And it isn't like just posting somebody at the door to ask questions, because their agenda is going to be number one. And then their willingness to participate. So we'll have to fill it out and we'll have to see what works. Do you do anything at the end of each? So when I want to register for certain activity, you know, well, there's like the other industry blended into the program. So once it concludes, then we're just waiting off of bad experience. I mean, we have for time to time, we're not systemically right. I think a qualitative approach is probably where we want to go right now. A quantitative, I understand what you're saying about a quantitative approach, but it seems to me we want to focus on the qualitative one in the beginning. And maybe later we can submit it to some kind of auditing. Arms was more qualitative. And I'll send a copy to Jeff and Tarani, and then you all can share it. I think that provides more voice, and it allows us to make any decisions based off of the optimum. All right, so where do we go from here? Do you want, still, do you want to initiate this stuff this month? I'm happy to do that. I just basically need to know what specifically, you know, what information do you want to start with specifically, because it may change two months down the road. And we can have people think about that and discuss it next meeting. I think, you know, I think that would be a good idea. And then there might be some other information in that survey that you're going to provide to us at the stimulants and things like that. So I don't think anybody's really prepared to give any specific ideas to do it. I can sit down and talk about the quantitative specifics and make some recommendations. That's the reward. That's the reward. Okay, we'll just, we'll put that on the agenda for next time. All right, any other comments on that? Okay, meeting dates, time and location. Is this for our group? Yes, this is a formal thing that the clerk's office asks us to do every year that we will need a motion that number one states the location of where the meetings will be held and a second motion that would say that the day of the month in the time. Okay, and confirm where meeting notices are posted? Yeah, that now there are two separate things. Do we need two separate motions? Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, is there any reason we wouldn't have it on the first Wednesday of each month here at 10 o'clock? Okay, well, let's have a motion then, so that's that. I mean move we continue meeting at the same time and place. 10 o'clock, first Wednesday of the month. And date, yeah. And at this location. All right, there's been a motion. Is there a second? A second. Second, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. All right. Any opposed? Any abstentions? All right, motion passed. Confirm where meeting notices are posted. Let's have a motion on the left where they should be posted. Primarily it's done on the city website, but I think the board has chosen to post a paper agenda here at the senior center. And we can post it wherever else you'd like to do that. I think it at the civic center would be another good location. So once the agenda has been established, your staff posts it. It's listed on the back of the agenda four places. Is that what we're talking about? Yes. All right, let's have a motion. If everybody's okay with that, let's have a motion. ARC makes a motion to confirm where the meeting notices are posted. Is there a second? Second. So that motion is to keep it as it is. Does Robin usually post those? Yeah. And then we mail the agenda to those other locations in the clerk or somebody post those sources. Let's say, did you second it? Yes. Okay, all those in favor let motion say aye. All right. Any opposed? Motion passes. Assignment of representatives to outside agencies. Okay, is this a requirement you do this every year? Did I believe the warrant does do that? Yeah. She might have emailed that she would like to be the representative of the friends. I saw that. Yeah. Well, let's see. You don't have to make a motion to do that. We could, if everybody's okay with just leaving it the way it is, you could make a motion saying that we'll do that. Except that Sheila is replacing Susan, who's alright. Yeah. But that, we put her down as a representative? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And she was the alternate anyway. Right. Yeah, right. Do we need an alternate to Sheila then? I guess we can do that next time. Do we need, do we have to have an alternate? Can you do it as it comes up? Yeah, I'll put you to that. Well, and for the friends meetings, the managers will accept those meetings so the manager can always report them to you. Okay, so just to go through these, and Jeanine is the area agency rep. Sheila will be the friends rep. Are you okay staying in that, Jeanine? Yes. Okay. And Art will be the Latino rep. Economic development? That's been you, Jeanine, has about that. Well, no. It's been me for the last year, but. I'm not trying to track down when that being is. So, okay. Do you want to continue? Yeah, that's fine. I'll stay as long as somebody can hear me. Is that the LEDP? Yep. Okay. So they're, they're CEO resigns, so they're in a little bit of disarray. Yeah. Who would be? I haven't figured that part out who the next person is. Well, we don't know who the next, it's been a year since we started trying. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know who the active person is. Yes, it's Stephanie Pitts-Noggle. Let me email you. Oh, okay. And Julie, right? Okay. Well, I think Jeff, Jeff, you figure it out and you keep me out of it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sustainability implementation. Anybody want to fight me for it? I would like to be your backup. Okay. That's one that anybody can go to, by the way. Yeah. They're very interesting meetings. All right. So engaging care communities. That was Susan and I, I'm willing to remain on that. I mean, right now it's only whenever they get together. So you have two of them? They had both Susan and I initially. And we have not been called upon for several months, but if someone would like to be a part of that, then let me know. Is there anybody here that would want to volunteer for that? Can you share a little bit about what's involved? It is a committee that is, or a group of people that have wide range experiences within the community and it was brought together to develop an online information program that is being developed by people associated with the University of Colorado. And I mean, it's, it initially was deciding what format and it went from there to, you know, developing a website. It got very technical after a while, but if they had specific questions, you know, are input about confidentiality for me, my input about what medical things should be asked and what would be appropriate. It was a developmental thing that was actually being, I guess, organized by our city manager. And it's still in the developmental phase. And I really, I don't know how Susan and I invited to participate. And I think they're in the process of actually contracting to, to write the website now. And so it's, it's pretty much so if I were a user of, so for example, the senior center system, and then I had a grandchild that was being seen at the, at the youth center. And maybe I accessed another agency. It was so that I could opt into this system, so that then the people that I was working with could talk to each other and could better coordinate kind of how they could support me. And so there was a lot, like you said, a lot of discussions about confidentiality, about, you know, should, should medical information be included in there? What does it mean to opt into a system? We found that in this kind of started with the fire department, and then responding repeatedly to some of the same individuals. And just really, it really just is about coordinating care. And so how we were, how we were going to do that. But it's my understanding from talking to Elie Berthel, is that we might be in the process of contracting now to actually get the framework of the website written after all of that input that was given. So currently there is, I couldn't Google engaging caring community. No, something on the website, something on the city website might come up, but we don't have the actual user website. It's completely developmental at the scale, and it's much more putting the program together. And a couple of the members actually have passed away. So I'm not sure what the status of it is now, but So this was in person meeting? No, it's all done by Zoom. Okay, good. Do you want to be part of that? Anybody want to be with Janine? Right. Susan, you mentioned Susan. She was our past president. Oh, she's not. I got you. Do they need two representatives? You know, I wish I could tell you, and I don't even know, because I don't know how I ended up being asked. I don't know if it was through the senior center. It probably was, because both Susan and I ended up on that. And at this point, if they're not doing, they're not really doing anymore, since they're working on the website, and realistically, we probably only need to do that. I'm thinking that there'll probably be feedback later. That's what they asked each of the division managers to do, is to have users of our services come and give us feedback. And so that's probably how you were asked. Yeah, they have to put it together in order for us to really identify areas. I mean, the biggest area of concern involved with confidentiality and being on a public website. But you can't make any comments about that until the system is presented. And there is, it looks like there is a PDF on the city's website that talks about enabling caring communities. It's out of the University of Colorado, and Shoots. The prophet of Don was Don Nice. Yeah, so there's actually a good PDF there if you want to. Okay. I would go ahead. All right, any reports this time? Do we need a motion on this on this membership? No. I'm sorry? Discussed 2023 goals and suggestions for agenda items. Yeah, I'm not quite done with this. So any reports? Do you mean reports about those? I'm sorry, of the area aging trends? Uh, no, my meeting is on Friday, so I'm always a month behind them, considering today's after we leave. Well, the former and the present for friends are both gone, so. I told Susan I would report in. Oh, okay. Friends, really mostly what we ended up talking about in December were financial things and budget. They are going to meet at the end of January and approve a 2023 budget. It is much the same as the prior year's budget with just a few increases. The total is $182,000 of support that the friends are looking at giving this in your center this year, which includes everything from $52,000 for funding part of two staff positions to marketing funds, printing costs, volunteer support, or last resort. It's it is a great deal of support that they are looking at continuing to give us here. And they reviewed donations from Colorado gifts. They got $5,528 for Colorado gives donations in November, December. Or maybe just December. There's no other major updates from friends. So the staff positions are funded by the city, but this is contributed, no. So about three quarters of two staff positions are funded by the city. And the city has not agreed to move the rest of that funding into the general fund. So the recreation funding here was paying for a quarter of our marketers position. The recreation funds can't sustain that if we're going to hire more recreation staff, which we really need to do. So the friends have agreed to take it on. And the city actually lowered it to 19.5% of that position would be funded somehow, not by the general fund. So the friends are going to vote on that in January, but have agreed that they'll take that on. And a quarter of Melissa Lucino's resource specialist position here has been funded by the friends the entire time she's worked here, which is going on for years. We just haven't been able to get the city to pick that money up and get out of the general fund yet. So that would be great. I will say it is not the friends intention to permanently fund staff positions. That's never been difficult when you are funding staff positions for the city to fund it full-time. They're like, why not? The friends will do it. The friends are like, but our intention was never to do this forever. It was just to get it started. I don't want to belabor it. I have a question on that. The donations that they've had, are they still coming in as they have been in the past? You mean overall donations? We don't have final numbers. It was looking like 56,000, I think total donations for the year. And I don't know a comparison to prior years, but we can find that out. I mean, they've been pretty healthy in a budget. Not just wondering what's everything going on, the pandemic and everything else. They're not getting the donations. I'm on another committee where donations are not coming in at all like they used to. I wonder how that compares with the friends of the library. That would be an interesting thing to know. Well, that's something that's not appropriate for this discussion, I don't think, but I think that's something I'd like to pursue as far as what can we do, maybe to get some additional funding there. I've been through that many times, so I know kind of how it works. We'll talk some more. This might be an area that you send feedback to council. Have we sent any feedback before on positions? Not on positions that I can recall. The staff comes up with a budget, and it goes through the budget sieve, whatever that is. It's actually the council making a big recommendation about where money goes is fairly rare because the staff figures all out what they want, and the council has to really stand on its time to change anything. Well, who makes the decision as far as allocation of staffing funds? When it gets down to the department, who goes? So I'm lying to you. Okay, can I share an observation from the budget process this year? The budget starts with the department, the department, everybody in their different divisions puts together what they would like to get in the budget next year. It goes through the administration with the city, so folks from finance, our city manager, then it moves to council. I feel like there's places for input all along the way there, and I observe at a council meeting about the budget council asking, why do we see nothing here about pickleball courts? Because people have come to council all year long and said we need more pickleball courts. So what I observe was that the public speaking about a need got through to council. Yes, through the council. Okay, but by the time it gets to council, the budget recommendation to council is a done deal. Yes, so essentially what happens, it's perceived by the council as a done deal, and what happens is it's really rolled up by the time that it goes to council, so we don't see the pencils and paperclips at all. We do see new full-time equivalent funded positions, and that's about as fine-grained as it gets. And then as I said, while the council, the council is the hope from the staff, I believe it's that the council just approves everything that as recommended, the council has to really get on its hind legs to make changes to the budget. It happens. Usually what the more likely thing that happens is a council member will question the reasoning. There's a little more transparency. The staff, the responsible portion of the staff opens things up, and the council generally agrees. So yeah, the council, nothing can be funded without council approval, but the decision-making process, the council is the last. So I don't want it to seem like Jeff and I are contradicting each other. Yeah, no, no, I get it. And I would envision that the survey that you're talking about could be part of, you know, if anything comes up from that, could be part of what Ronnie would bring forward to, in budget requests for that year as well, and you have some good data about that. So, you know, you have 300 people, 500 people that filled out the survey, and they were all saying they wanted pickleball courts. So what was that budget? All right, let's see. I guess we're done with that. Discuss 23 goals and suggestions for agenda items. Didn't we used to have, didn't Michelle always have with our agenda the list of items that we were focusing on? Yeah, we did. They were. Yeah, that was there. Yeah, that was there too. Could it be the upcoming agenda? Oh, okay. Well, but you were talking about areas within the operation we were going to focus on. Isn't that what you're talking about? Yes, there was, I feel like there was. But there was a section on it. There was a section where we used to have, these are the things that we're focusing on for the year. And I don't know if that's the upcoming agenda items. Okay, let's, let's see. Okay, we have, we're running out of time. And this will wait. We can talk about this. I was going to suggest, you know, that's a big enough item. So maybe we should leave that until next week, right next month, rather. On the goals, I think we could put the goals. Is that okay with everybody? We throw the goals in like we did last time. Yes. And refresh our memories and how we're going to approach that. Because I don't think we did much. I remember I didn't. Yeah. And then I, one question I do have in terms of goals is that did we, we, I know at one point in time, we had all been discussing about what we, what services we wanted to see here, one of them was book care. Have we gotten that figured out? No one applied when they opened the RFP Lash 2022. So that needs to be reposted as a new RFP this year. I'm sorry. What RFP was that? Was that for the code names? Book care. Yeah. Book care. That's what it is. It's no deals. I'm writing it down. There was a time when I thought that was the most ridiculous thing ever in my life. However. Brandy, I, I, I mean, maybe it's just nobody outside the senior center thinks it's important. But I wonder if it might be a liability thing. You know, so like if you go to a private nail salon and they're a, and you're an overweight senior, they say, are you diabetic? And they'll say, no. If you, you know, some of them will say, no, if you say you're diabetic, because they don't want the liability of potentially wounding you and it won't heal. And so my question is, if the city, which is self insured through Kaiser, put in the RFP that there might be some liability coverage associated with the post that might change responses? I don't know if it was, I was not involved in the RFP, so I don't know. I'm just, I'm just throwing that out as a suggestion if you want to try again, that that could have been a consideration before it was always done through the hospital, through Longmont United. And when that went away, it ended. And if neither of, well, I know that with UC Health, they have an outpatient clinic, so they were very happy for us to refer people to their outpatient clinic, but they didn't want to come here. So that was one of the issues. And then the other issue that if it's an independent person, they're definitely want to, they will definitely have to be covered by some liability because they can't come in and do care without liability insurance. And then the third recommendation in terms of no response to the RFP would be, I wonder if outreach to any of the in-town podiatrist office might be helpful. It was actually a home care agency who covered the need after the hospital. After the hospital, yeah. So it might be that there's an option there too because there's a lot of home care agencies. Yeah, I mean, it needs to be looked at and what we submitted. I know Michelle was kind of cool on the whole idea on foot care, wasn't she? No, I think she was. No, she really wanted it. She really, it was, it was well attended here, especially for our diabetic patients. I think it was just something that kind of ended up on the back burner. Yeah. Okay. Well, I would suggest maybe, how does this sound? We put it on the agenda and either do it or not. Yeah. Just proceed with an RFP or just forget about it because it's been flipping on, it's been flipping along on the agenda for once. Yeah. Yeah. Right here. One more. So it, I want to say it, it was posted last spring and they closed it in June, I believe. Because no one had applied. But I might quit. Marcia said about adding the fact that no liability. Well, or the office having the city budget for liability so that it's part of it. Yeah. Well, Ronnie, I'd really like to see what the senior center staff and think about that. What did they think about the need? We see a need. Do you see a need? And if you see a need then, you know, as a board member, I'd support continuing to look for somebody. So that means we're posting it? Yeah. Right. So Dave, are you suggesting putting that on one of our goals for the year to get it finished and done? I guess we could do it that way. Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Can I get that done? That's important. Like it's been on the agenda ever since I've been on this board. Yeah. So let's just do it or forget about it. I would like to see one of our, are we done with foot feet? I guess so. We don't know. I would really like to see something about our registration as a goal. We've talked about this off and on for over a year and we're still frustrated with it. And what I'd specifically like to see, and this would also include city rent, totally, is when you go online to register for something, I mean, when you go to the go and you find a class and you're online and you would like to register for a class, why can't you click that registration number and be done? Why do you have to go through all this big process trying to register for a class? So we, let's have that on the agenda. Staff has met after the board talked about that last time. Robin is working on some how-to's to help with that. Is that our tech person? No, but she's the, she's the, but so we don't have a tech person that really helps us with the front end stuff, the people facing things. Our ETS helps with that part of it, but we have some things we're working on that we're hoping will help with that. The system doesn't allow it to be done like you just described. That system does not exist. So we will, Sue Ellen, come to the next meeting along with Robin and share with you what, what we're looking at to try to make that better. Okay, so this is- That goes to the museum too, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's the B-1. It's the B-1. It's the B-1. All of the programs, not just us. Yeah. So I think, didn't we have a meeting with, Yes, you did. Yeah. And were you a part of that meeting? Yeah. So I think that, you know, making changes is needed. However, the system that the city owns or subscribes to cannot, cannot be fixed to function the way that we want it to. So this is all a continuation of our last discussion where everybody was kind of dissatisfied with it. You said you were going to come back. Yeah. And you'll come back. I've got the next meeting and report on. Yeah. Okay. I would like to add that it is actually not true that there is no solution. There is no solution that the city is willing to invest in. At this time. Yeah. All of the software architect from back in the day included the problem. And that's another recommendation. The challenge we were finding is that there isn't anything in better out there that works to do all of the things that the city needs to do. Whether it's registration, reservations, a website type of thing. So we've heard you and we are trying to find ways to make it better within the system we currently have. Are the IT staff that you have, are they city employees? The. Are they contracted? No, they're city employees. The challenge is, it's a canned program. So the city can't go in and make changes to make it better. And so you have to work within the software that they provide you. And they do limited improvements each year. Because every community is making other types of recommendations as well. And they prioritize which has the biggest impact to the most number of communities. Okay. That would be on the agenda for next week. And next month. And research is what's out there besides the lending now. All right. We're running. I'm just curious. Nobody, because we don't have the money to do it anyway. Can we, okay. Briefly, can we have a supervisors report? Or have we done that already? I'll say we've had more staff changes since the last meeting. Our recreation supervisor, Jamie has left the organization. So we have to rehire that position. We also have two new recreation positions. We're going to be hiring this year. So hopefully those will get posted soon. Our LHA resource specialist, Melinda is leaving next week is her last week. So we're down another position there. What? But Longmont, sorry. Longmont housing authority resource specialist. The resource specialist who only works at three in Longmont housing authority properties her last day is next Friday. And another one of our resource specialists is just going to be out on leave for much of the next two and a half months. So our whole staff is a little text. Welcome to see your services run. And we got one new one. We got one new one. So it's like up and down. I want to end this on a positive note. And I want to do it without tears. A life was saved three weeks ago. A life was saved because people care. Clients trust. And I want you to know that because it's extraordinary. And because I went to visit a gentleman yesterday who is here and back in his community because he trusted coming to the seat percent. He'd get help. Thank you for sharing. Thank you. That's for you. Great news. I think the only thing we haven't really covered the public invite. There's nobody from the public here. And the upcoming agenda items and the goals we defer for next week. So is there any further sleep liaison report? Yes. Just briefly. There hasn't been a council meeting for two weeks and I haven't gone into the next one. I'm not even sure it's posted yet. There will be a council meeting next Tuesday. But on January 11th at the council chambers. That's a Wednesday. There is going to be a really interesting event. They are our executive director of strategic integration. Becky Doyle who is just a marvelous human being and the smartest person in the city. It went to the Bloomberg city lab summit in the Netherlands in November. And she has put together a sort of a report of what we can what we can take away from this and apply to Longmont. And we're going to have she's going to have a panel discussion from sustainability and another panel discussion from people in our arts community. So I'll get more the conductor of the symphony orchestra is going to be there. I'm a parks and recreation designer of retired now from the city many of you know may know Paul with its Gerald and a street artists to be yet to be confirmed. You know so it's going to be a wonderful variety of people to meet and again 7 p.m. September 11th January 11th on Wednesday. I'd like you to be there invite all your friends. You can register on the Longmont public media website or on the communications website. And that's all we're going to be at the at the council chambers. Yeah I'd love to I'm going to be in Maui however. Let's have you tell your friends. May I ask a question I'm working on the 2022 annual report and they're looking back at 2021 is a list of board highlights from the year and goals for the year. And I don't really know how to get this information other than going through old advisory board engines and minutes. Can I send maybe not even since you weren't here but the folks who were on the board this year can I send you what I compile and how do you give edits because I feel certain I'm going to miss things. All right is there any other business? I have a hard time meeting sometime. Okay there's a motion to adjourn. Art moves second. Discussion all in favor. All right any opposed. All right motion carries.