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So we're going to jump right into this folks. It's going to be a pretty easy going normal format you could say. So it's going to be 10 minutes from Nephilim Free at the start followed by 10 minutes from Daniel and then we'll go right into the open conversation. So if you have a question feel free to fire it into the old live chat and at that point I will try to get every question into the Q&A list especially if you tag me with at modern day debate. Also super chat is an option. So if you want you can shoot a super chat in and that will give you the option to either ask a question or to make a comment and with that want to let you know super chats will also be pushed to the top of the list. So we are going to turn it over now as Nephilim Free is ready with his screen share and so want to say both of our speakers are linked in the description. So if you'd like to hear more of them if you're like I want more you can hear more by clicking on those links. So with that Nephilim Free thanks for being here. The floor is all yours. This is going to be a stupid question first. How do I get zoom to go back full screen again? You know that I don't remember how to do it. I got no one full screen on my side. Well it doesn't matter I'm changing I'm sharing screen right is it sharing? Okay it's not really showing up right on your I'm sharing a particular picture and oh now it's coming through okay there's a lag. All right so the evidence that dinosaurs lived with man is is very extensive. Human think about this it's unlikely what is the likelihood that all these various tribes of man all around the world would just happen to invent the same types of creatures and legends that man walked with and had conflicts with these types of creature if there wasn't some truth to it. Is it likely that Arab peoples and mid-eastern peoples and Slavic peoples and Chinese people, Native American people, African people, Indian people, East Indian people all these various cultures all over the world would just happen to envision the same fantastical creatures and and create legends of them. I'd say that the odds that that would happen is just not rational to believe that they would do so unless these were creatures that man had actually encountered. So ancient in the 19th century humans tried to depict what they thought dinosaurs would look like going by the bones they did a terrible job. On the left you see a 19th century depiction of a iguanodon on the right is one created from the fossil evidence based on modern 20th century science. The one on the right is accurate. So man didn't envision dinosaurs by draw them in his art ancient man because by looking at the fossil if they found fossils in the ground because they would have drawn them very differently. Instead they often drew very accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Here's another example 19th century depiction on the left and 20th century science on the right. Again iguanodon I mean megalosaurus this is what 19th century scientists thought it looked like and on the right you see what it actually looked like when ancient man drew them they drew more like what you see on the right than on the left. Now the only reason that's would be plausible for them to do this is if they had actually seen these creatures. Here's one an ancient depiction of a dinosaur from Sumatra and it what does it look like? Well it looks like a dinosaur it's not a bird it's not a chicken it has no wings and it has a water under its neck just like the actual species actually had a waddle and look at its proportions compared to the man's bigger than a horse. So this is a edmontosaurus drawn by Native Americans in a defensive position much like a black bear if he encounters a threat he stands up to make himself look as big and bad and threatening as possible that's likely what this creature would have done as well it looks like that's what Native Americans saw it do when they encountered the thing because they drew it. Here's from ancient China this is a protoceratops and you can see on the top a modern depiction of what protoceratops actually looked like there's a remarkable resemblance why would man draw things creatures that never existed? Well there are maybe a few examples here's an astonishing one if you ask me modern discoveries just since the 1990s or early 2000s have just scientific discoveries have shown that dinosaurs had textured skin patterns on their skin and and so here we've got from the Shane dynasty a dinosaur depicted with patterns on its skin the upturned nose the crest on the skull and going down the back it's the same as known species of dinosaur named Sorolophus. Why would man depict them so accurately? Here's a beast and a boat and some ships and some snakes drawn by Native Americans in Ontario Canada. This one's from Israel this is a dinosaur biting the back of a neck of a horse you can see that the pain that he is inflicted on this horse is so great the horse has gone down to its knees and there's another dinosaur on the side he's on looking at what kind of creature does that look like well it looks like a dinosaur why because well that's what it was this is on the temple in Cambodia there's a temple in Cambodia built about 1100 AD and it shows a stegosaurus line now evolutionists say these are not spines on the back of the creature they're their leaves no if you look at the the rest of the carvings on that temple you see they they did a nice job of depicting plants they didn't draw a plant here those are spines going down the back of a stegosaurus that's from 1100 AD so this is a ancient Egyptian art depicting two sauropod dinosaurs with their nexus entwined now let's let's imagine take a look at what we've got here this I drew a cartoon here of a dinosaur it's just a freddy the dinosaur having a nice little stroll across the hillside right now let's take this piece of rock here and let's superimpose freddy the dinosaur or the rock now anybody who looks at this and say oh yeah that's freddy the dinosaur they're not going to say that's a horse that's obviously a dinosaur now let's take freddy the dinosaur away and leave with the native americans true is that a dinosaur or is it not evolutionists look at this picture and they say oh that's not a dinosaur it's not would you look at this and say that's a cartoon of a dinosaur you surely would but so why wouldn't you look at this and say that's a dinosaur it's got four legs a gigantic tail a very long neck and a crusted head I mean evolutionists many of them they just don't want to believe that dinosaurs live with men this is a little titan a known species of dinosaur with a crest on its head depicted in ancient Babylonian art two of them was very next in twine here it is again on another on a on a cylinder seal this is uh from ancient Palestine the words and on this piece of art says literally crocodile lizard crocodile leopard in the past there were gigantic lizard type dinosaurs that lived pretty much like a modern lizard except they weighed tons here's another this is medieval art it's a dragon right well what are dragons dragons or dinosaurs look at the right you'll see the infant one another medieval piece of art of a giant lizard type creature this type of lizard is common to certain parts of the world india and whatnot but not europe so what is it is it a lizard or a dinosaur this is plexi texas night early 1970s and these men are excavating some dinosaur footprints because one was found they wanted to see where they go now they had to move tons of stone they had to break the rocks and move these sedimentary rocks to get to the footprints where they traveled up under the rock so they had to move tons and tons of rock here they are with bulldozers at the plexi texas uh the plexi river in glen rose texas early 1970s and this is what they found they moved tons and tons of rock and the footprints just kept going it's man and dinosaur in the same foot sedimentary left rock on the right you have a set of human tracks on the left a three-toed dinosaur called a theropod dinosaur here they are again i've drawn lines to show you the actual footprints now some people look at these and say that's not a human footprint that's not a human footprint they'll say let me take a look at that again that's not a human footprint that's not a human footprint is that a three-po dinosaur footprint well scientists say so but they look at this and they say oh but that's not a human footprint and these are in the same rocks try to they crisscross each other you can see the man walking where the where the human did and in the same sedimentary material dating it as the same age is dinosaur footprints this has been found in numerous places around the world i'm not going to talk about this slide because it's really no point in it but that's the beginning and to my slide presentation the point is there's a lot of historical evidence that man lived with dinosaurs he had legends of these creatures all over the world marco polo who travels with china wrote that the emperor of china had dragons pulling his cart his chariot he also said that the dinosaurs were hunted and they left a trail in the sand along the beaches that were so was so large it was as though horses were pulling a very large tree trunk through the sand now what kind of creature has a massive tail and drags its belly across sand is as big enough that when it walk crawls across the sand it leaves a trail in the sand as big as a tree trunk because that's what marco polo said and he said that the men who hunted them would bury spikes into the ground at an angle so as the creature crawled across the sand he would literally gut himself on them so ancient man has many depictions of of creatures in art i've only shown you a very small percentage of those and they depict accurate accurately known species of dinosaur mostly serapods and edmontosaurus and iguanodon and it's just not plausible to me that all these tribes of mankind from around the world would happen to invent the same type of creature and legends that they encountered them and lived with among them across the world that just in lester some truth to it there has to be something to that it's just not plausible to believe all these tribes of man would invent the same stories something's going on so now if if you you believe in evolution and you believe the earth is millions upon millions upon millions of years old you can't believe that man coexist with dinosaurs but if you take those assumptions those ideas of evolution and toss them out the evidence stands for itself i think the evidence is overwhelming based on man's historical art and the legends from around the world that man did coexist with dinosaurs and i'll conclude that as my opening statement thank you very much and nephilim free we will now switch it over to daniel for his opening statement and want to say thanks so much for being here daniel as well the floor is all yours thank you and do a little screen share uh is the screen screen share all right y'all so uh i'm gonna give a little similar presentation to him with um ancient depictions of objects right so as you could see in the middle of the screen right here um it's a helicopter right it's a perfect helicopter it's better than a kid would have drew you know uh if you look right here here is actually a little spaceship right uh these are in egyptian hieroglyphs uh so now this this is in 16th century spain right this is an astronaut um it's kind of undeniable that this looks like an astronaut you know it's uh you can see his helmet is sued his chest piece all that this this is a little um astronaut in a rocket ship right uh you can see the boosters in the back you can see it's aerodynamic he's sitting he has a steering wheel in hand and he looks to be like he's wearing some type of suit um and this is a lamasu right so this is a mesopotamian conglomeration of a bunch of different animals with a human head so if i showed you all that um the rational conclusion wouldn't be to think oh well egypt must have been more technologically advanced than we once thought you wouldn't think man they they must have had helicopters they must have had um spaceships uh they must have had lamasu um you would think that they were artistic depictions because humans have always created weird and eccentric art that like doesn't quite represent reality perfectly but um yeah but uh one could argue but like we have the images like they depicted it but the reason why we don't believe that it's true is because whenever we go to ancient egypt and we dig up their graves and all that we don't find a bit of technology we don't find light bulbs we don't find electrical units we don't find anything like that so we disregard the art because there's no artifact evidence but but what my debate partner is saying that we should do is even though we have no archaeological evidence of dinosaurs in the fossil record after 66 million years ago we should accept the fact that there was dinosaurs because of historical drawings that looked like dinosaurs and i just i i don't think that that is a good standard of evidence to have because if your standard of evidence is if we have images of it it must be real then we have to believe in bigfoot we have to believe in lamasu we have to believe in all kind of human animal hybrids um pretty much all cultures have examples of human animal hybrids that they've created um and you could argue that the reason why it's a human universal is because there used to be human animal hybrids but we know that's not true um so right here uh his first point he gave me three points he said number one uh i need to provide a gap between human existence and dinosaur existence right uh number two i need to show that his um presentation of dinosaur depictions are false like they aren't actually dinosaurs and uh three i need to show that the footprints were fake right so this is the first one providing a gap between humans and dinosaurs so this little arrow points to the kpg boundary so this boundary is a small layer of rock strata that is full of iridium iridium is an impact proxy so they think that an asteroid hit the earth 65 000 years ago and created this thin layer of high iridium and after that layer we see no dinosaur fossils right so there has never been a dinosaur fossil found past this arrow right but if you go a little bit above this arrow we have mega mammals we have mammoths we have all all kinds of different things in the fossil record but uh no dinosaurs there's there's no dinosaur human intermingling there has never been a human found in a dinosaur layer and there's never been a dinosaur found in a human layer um so this is just another example of the fossil record um okay so also he he talked about the footprints the uh those are the footprints that were in a texas river um what he didn't mention though is that these footprints were 20 inches plus right so each foot was 20 inches plus i have a size 14 foot right that that's that's big you know for american standards and uh my foot is about 11 inches with my shoe all so this foot would have been twice the size of an abnormally large foot also um anthropologists have have run the the studies on the gate of the animal so whatever made that track um the steps were about three times the length of a human step so in order for this to have been humans it would have had to been giant humans so unless nephrin believes that there was a race of giants wandering the earth around the time of dinosaurs then um i don't see how that fits his conclusion and if it was giants wouldn't that not be humans living at the same time as dinosaurs it would be giants but i mean also um a vast majority of paleontologists that have seen the actual footprints of humans that they don't believe it's of humans there's actually not a single paper that's published in a single paleontology journal that's not a creationist that thinks that they're human footprints or even resemble human footprints so what happens is whenever you step in mud and you lift your foot the mud caves in around so they believe it was a three-toed dinosaur with a back toe hit pulled out and uh the mud closed in around where the uh the toes were so it just made an oblong um kind of v-shaped foot but so yeah i think that's all i have to present for right now we could just get to discussion if that would be okay with y'all i'd like to discuss it with them it's all yours uh nephrin free has gone into screen share mode okay okay y'all wanted to share something with you about that footprint you were talking about the mud collapsing this is what you're referring to an evolutionist scientist had this art done but here's what these see on the left these are cartoon these are drawings of of what's in the rock now look at the right on the top you see an actual theropod dinosaur footprint and the one that he's claiming is a footprint of a dinosaur right next to it where's the heel dinosaur theropod dinosaurs do not have a heel so this one does so it's not a dinosaur footprint because theropod dinosaurs don't have a heel so i just want to point that out to you i'll uh okay so the paper that i read uh believed that they actually did like certain species of dinosaurs actually did press down at the bottom so they would have dipped where they weren't just on their tippy toes to the bottom and that would have made the impression they would there's one what's what's what's the claw that's one species that's all you don't think there's more species that walk differently than that is that the only thing that they possibly had no theropod dinosaur had a heel well i'm not saying they had a heel i'm saying it made impact to the ground that doesn't mean it to heal what's going to make impact with the ground there's nothing except the claw there to make an input a hole on that one there's not but there are there are no theropod dinosaurs with a heel i'm not saying they have a heel i'm saying they made impact with the ground with the back with what there's nothing back there to impact the ground look how long that foot really have a circle around it like the the last claw that's a claw that made that big impression that shaped like a heel i don't think so i just wanted to share that with you i want to address a couple other things you said you you mentioned chimera this or these are creatures like half man half lion you know or whatever you know that ancient man depicted you know that you got all kinds of things as ciders and whatnot but but they don't depict any known species of creature and the art that ancient man did drew accurately depicts known species of a creature you said uh big foot so the um the images of the helicopter helicopters exist that is a perfect image of a helicopter why don't you think that's a helicopter i don't i don't i wouldn't say it's a perfect image of a helicopter well i think it's a better image of a helicopter than yours were of dinosaurs i would disagree with you about that you mentioned a long neck inner twine dinosaur that's obviously the face of a mammal you know like like you use some examples that look like hybrids you know like traditional hybrids and i don't think they look like hybrids pull it up and also so about the foot thing my most important point about that was the giant size of it do you believe that they were giants yes absolutely i can tell you why because the fossil record shows that creatures prior to the flood grew to enormous size there is a fossil of a rope did mammals grow to abnormally large yes they did um there were not a period not yes there are beavers that weighed 400 to 450 pounds in the country thinking of after the no sir i'm i'm telling you what is in museums now is is is depictions of a beaver that's as big as oh i don't know bigger than any dog on this earth a beaver i don't know the species name but it's but it's a beaver i don't have a slideshow of those but i can show you a picture of it there were this is i mean what i'm telling you now is accepted by all paleontologists all of them what is what i'm about to tell you creatures grew to enormous size in the past there's fossils of dragonflies with two and a half foot wings okay all right there are there were bears short short-faced bears big as a almost big as a pickup truck there there were all kinds of creatures kangaroos were over six feet tall camels were twice the size i haven't pulled up right now you're completely confused right now all mammals were beneath the size of a current rabbit you're thinking after that dirt like have you ever heard of the the extinction of the north american mega mammals well i'm talking about that's what i'm talking about i'm talking about no but the animals that you're talking about when extinct a hundred thousand years ago and just you know you have your idea about when you think they went extinct i'm just telling you i'm just telling you that dinosaurs insects and mammals and reptiles are all known by the fossil record to have grown to enormous size in the past this is a fact that accepted by all paleontologists okay and so the point i was trying to make though is and the point i was trying to make about bigfoot is that my belief is that bigfoot is a creature that man actually did see i think bigfoot is a creature called gigantipithecus it's known only by one fossil a partial fossil of a jaw which is clearly an eight jaw and extrapolating the size of the animal by the measurements of the jaw it was an eight it stood up when it stood upright was eight to twelve feet tall this is the largest eight known to have ever existed on the earth i believe man's legends and remembrance of a creature called bigfoot is a creature called gigantipithecus it's known only by one fossil legend and remembrance of a creature called bigfoot is man having seen gigantipithecus which is now extinct so there's actual fossil reason to believe that bigfoot once existed on this earth okay so when we sit like okay i was going to argue it's about the bigfoot thing but not a big deal so you're saying that there was mega mammals during the cretaceous while dinosaurs were alive but if you look at the fossil record whenever dinosaurs stopped appearing in the fossil record that was much before we had large mammals there is not a single species of large mammal that was around during the cretaceous period like they're not found in the same fossil layer so like you saying oh there was giant mammals in the past you're correct but it wasn't as far in the past as dinosaurs and they don't share the fossil record with them whatsoever there's no overlap um well let me share something that might surprise you um this is about paper from nature the most respected science journal in the world in case you didn't know it the evolution theory has had to have been continuously updated because of fossil evidence and in the days of Charles Darwin right on up to the 1950s the story was that the only animals that coexisted that lived with dinosaurs or after dinosaurs for a short period after the dinosaurs went extinct were little rat-sized mammals and larger mammals than that evolved after dinosaurs went extinct but this paper is illustrating the evolutionists have had to change that idea because there's a debate over which mammals roam the world with dinosaurs and now evolutionists scientists accept that larger mammals like beavers and other coexisted with dinosaurs they give them a different species when you say larger mammals you're speaking about like a small dog size you're not speaking about a mega mammal mega mammals did not come along during the cretaceous well well two things about that firstly you have your assumption about um you know it gets back to this we don't find humans and dinosaurs in the same layer hey but we don't find t-rex with a lot of other species of dinosaur in the same layer so that's a flacious argument to say because we don't that your idea is about the geologic time span going through the geologic column are correct because we i can show you a whole list of disharmonious fossils that don't wish in theory no for sure i just wanted to stick them to the uh the mega mammal thing because he made a claim that there was a 400 pound beaver during the the age of the dinosaurs and that's that's not true and nobody believes that you you pulled up an article where there's a i don't know a dog size mammal um that's not a mega mammal that's two totally different things so in the age of the dinosaurs mammals were not huge you wouldn't expect for there to be a giant human because there wasn't even giant mammals in general so um well i giant so you know based on you know i understand your assumptions about about the the fossil record when creatures came into existence the point i'm making is the evolutionists have to constantly change their story like i said when i was a child and i'm 58 now when i was a child the story was there were no mammals on the earth bigger than a rat while dinosaurs live they've changed that and so this idea that because we don't find this species and that species in the same layer of rock means they couldn't have coexisted there's that's that's just because of your evolutionary assumption we don't find lots of creatures that evolutionists know existed with each other in the same layer so i mean how you know celicanth is a beautiful example of fish extinct for 65 million years so they thought lo and behold they find out it's living in the indian ocean in off madagascar right so you think like okay so you made like a a comment about evolutionists constantly changing their story so they originally thought that mammals were the size of rabbits and smaller and they found a mammal like the size of a dog so they updated it like that that's not a that's not a negative that's a positive you know when you get new information you should incorporate that into your theory obviously um also um just because there's examples of species that we once thought were extinct not being extinct that does not like ruin the whole geological time period so whenever we look at um you okay you believe that fossils were deposited during the flood am i right all fossil well not all uh the vast majority of fossils were created because of the flood yes okay so would you agree that when the flood happened that exterminated a vast majority of dinosaurs uh do you think that's responsible for the extinction of like north american mega mammals and stuff like that now i i believe that the flood was uh didn't cause everything to go extinct because the creatures were on the ark uh sea creatures didn't need to be on the ark of course so why didn't why did so many uh dinosaurs that were seabaring go go extinct during the uh the flood because of the uh the inundation of the what the flood did it caused a heavy salination to occur a change in the salination of the ocean a change in temperature some species simply how some species simply couldn't cope with it and others others were able those that couldn't went extinct so why would you think that that happened to be all of the dinosaurs that went extinct during that era because cetaceans didn't go extinct um they were in much different form than they are now but uh like why why would you think that because i i don't believe the evolutionist's time span according to the fossil record is correct because the fossil record shows that every creature that has become a fossil is something that was rapidly buried in sediments which have high mineral content think about this for a second the oceans today and the lakes of the world do not have the mineral content necessary to make a fossil that's not they just don't they don't have it now if the evolution let me finish so quick quick one nuff and then i'll let you finish that and then we got to come back to letting him throughout the throughout the geologic column all these creatures were were made into fossils right you have to have high mineral water in order to make a fossil minerals have to be brought to it the oceans today don't have that mineral content the flood explains why it did okay so a vast majority of fossils whenever they mineralize do they take that from water or do they take that from the sediments around them well the water in the sediments is is what makes the is what brings them that that's not where this is from the soil are you telling me i said the water in the in the sediments no no that's why i work the water leeches through the sediments and brings the minerals that are from that's what i'm saying let's give daniel a chance to finish here if that's truly what you're saying it doesn't matter the mineral content of the water you could pour spring water on it and it would leech through the soils steal the minerals from the soil and then mineralize the the uh the bonaparte now that that doesn't work because fossils have to be fossil is a creature that rapidly forms it can't form over a period of time it'll decay you're saying that but there there's no evidence for that well you can't get a fossil over a long period daniel you can't get a fossil over a long period of time what can't and what do you what do you call a long period of time well a thousand years ten thousand it can't happen the creature has to be thousand years daniel the creature has to be buried rapidly and there has to be a lot of mineral in the water that leech goes through the sediments or you won't you won't get a fossil if yes i just want to point out that if you take a fish and you bury it under 20 feet of dirt and and and leave it there even if it rains heavily in that area come back 20 years later there won't be a fish and there's not going to be a fossil either it's not it doesn't have the mineral content doesn't have water continuously ebbing through it you just what you're going to find is little is an impression where there was a fish maybe at the best but there won't be anything left worms will have eaten everything you cannot get a fossil without rapid burial okay so you you keep saying that but that's actually not true so if we buried a million fish when we came back 20 years later there would be plenty of fossils it's just it's a rare thing it's not a very common thing if it was a very common thing we'd have more fossils than dirt you know like if every organism that was rapidly buried fossilized we'd have a ton of fossils in there but the more important point that i wanted to get about the flood that i was trying to get to but we went off on tangents his own so if the flood is what caused most of the fossils to form wouldn't you expect random mixings of fossils rather than there being dinosaurs mammals mega mammals humans like there there there's no mixing of those why is there no mixing if it's all caused by the flood no i i i i i don't think that your assumption about the fossil record is correct and i'll just point out Daniel that that every scientist in the world admits that you have to have a creature buried rapidly to get a fossil i don't know where you get this idea i don't know why i don't know where you get this idea that a fossil is a creature that can be buried slowly by sediments because no paleontologists in the world believes that i think you're wrong and i think you're just saying that but i answer my question about the the mixing that's the important thing okay ask it again i'm trying to show you a picture of a giant beaver that the fossil that's been uh recreated as a creature that y'all labeled that pre-flood but that has that has nothing to do with an actual geologic timescale for instance the short face bear your opinion about that no no no like if we're talking about the fossil record those are not found anywhere in the same area as dinosaurs if you go up to the short-faced bear that's on your presentation that is not found anywhere near that of dinosaurs so those are found in within like the last 200 000 years so um you bringing that up is kind of like saying those are mega mammals from the age of the dinosaurs is deceptive because they're not but um so the important point though is how do we get the mixing of the fossils well how do we not get the mixing of the fossils so why are there no mega mammals within the the range of the dinosaurs why are there no mammoths uh within the range of the dinosaurs why are there no um t-rex at the the highest layers of um strata okay firstly um i'll point out that again every paleontologist in the world will tell you a creature to be buried rapidly again and as for uh why do we find why we don't find this why we don't find that well i could ask you the same thing how come we don't find a t-rex in the same strata as a megalodon they coexisted why aren't they in the same strata i mean they were kind of in different locations if i'm not certain but i mean i could do this all day there's lots of land did there's there's there's lots of dinosaurs the evolutionists let me finish there's i'm going to there's lots of dinosaurs that coexisted with with other species and aren't found in the same strata as them you believe in a time scale and and and that's where where you're stuck i think now so i why don't we find this mixing well because we don't find lots of mixing even mixings of fossils that would be expected by the evolution oh wait no okay you're just saying things that are just false right so you're saying the same level level of rock strata so say we find a i don't know how many t-rex bull skeletons we found very few right so we might find one in in one layer we might find another one two layers down so then we could suppose that they existed throughout those two two geological time periods right so then if we find another dinosaur in between those we can assume that they coexisted because it's not like the t-rex went extinct and then unwitting and then re-return to the fossil or fossil record so you're you're saying that but that that doesn't even make sense why do we see no mixing at all at all of mega mammals with dinosaurs yeah i've got a list of 78 discordant fossils which are found in in strata that evolutionists say i've been telling you for the last 50 years did not coexist with creatures with which they've been found so i think you're unaware of that and i think the greater point is this every creature that is a fossil is creature that was buried in sedimentary materials that were laid down by moving water because they're in strata a strata is a a formation of sedimentary material that has a fine distinct boundary with the strata above it or below it almost every single time that can only happen by rapidly moving water because slow deposition will not create strata with have a fine distinct boundary between them the materials would radiate going upward as the changed environment brought one material and then another so the fossil record the fact let me finish i'm almost done really quickly it's because it's the very fact that we have a geologic column of sedimentary strata with these fine distinct boundaries in which we find a fossil verifies that fossil was something that was very very very okay so this is something that just destroys the whole flood model of deposition right so we have these rock strata right and in between some of these rock strata we have layers of volcanic ash right and we also have layers of impact proxies from asteroids hitting and rare rare minerals being cast around the earth right so if all of the sediments were aligned in a column and uh that's how like all the rock strata formed because of the flood it would be impossible for there to be layers of volcanic ash in between those because you can't have um volcanic events between that if it was all laid down during the flood sure you could volcanic eruptions occurring during the flood underwater spew out ash into the water that is moving and you would not be able to put on the surface you have to let me finish this well I do want to give Daniel because it we there were a lot of points you covered and he's had about 45 seconds so far I want to give him maybe another minute and a half or minute and we'll give you a minute and 15 seconds I appreciate it so um you're saying that that would be from underwater eruptions but that's not how they erupt underwater like it's totally different from in the air because like when you erupt in the air you spew volcanic ash and it could travel all the way around the globe underwater you erupt volcanic ash would not spread like that it would stay within the water and it would you know um it would be completely different you could you could answer that try to answer that yeah except the water was moving across the continents during the flood and that's going to move the ash with it so if if volcano erupts underwater and the water is moving the ash is being spread so that explains the ash layers in it and how we know this Daniel is because those volcanic layers are in sedimentary rock sedimentary rocks are laid down by moving water sedimentary you're saying that is if that's a fact but no geologist thinks that oh no no no no no they're not Daniel there are a list of Daniel there is a list half as long as you're on the sedimentary of of sedimentology experiments performed at university laboratories with sleuths which demonstrate that let me finish my sentence which demonstrate that sedimentary strata are created by rapidly moving water and you can see it happen right before your eyes the antiquated the idea that the idea that sedimentary strata formed over a vast period of time is an antiquated free 20 20 mid 20th century idea i know you have like do you have an illustration of the uh the mechanism you're talking about because i can show you video of it you can watch strata form over your eyes because what i'll show you is geologists do think that's how it works sometimes and occasionally a couple layers of sediment are layered like that but they don't think that there was literally hundreds of thousands of layers like like we literally have in some areas we have six miles deep before we hit bedrock and you think that all of those layers were caused by that that that's absurd that's the only way they could be formed listen Daniel you cannot explain sedimentary strata with a fine distinct boundary without moving water i think we're gonna we're gonna have to switch to two minute intervals as there's just kind of a lot of a lot of pressure coming from both directions so what we'll do is we'll we just heard an objection from nephilim for you what we'll do is we'll give Daniel a chance to respond we're gonna give him a timed two minute response and then we'll give neph we'll give you two minutes as well as we've like i said got pressure coming from both ways i appreciate your guys's passion but just to be sure it doesn't go too far for sure for sure um so the experiments that you're talking about where you uh put running water and it it lays into sediments right so uh how are those sediments laid down is it in a particular order yes so the finer the finer the grain the lower it's going to be no matter how many times you run the experiment you'll always find that it's a certain density gradient gradient it goes upward in density right so why isn't the earth like that so if uh if it was one giant flood event you would expect all of the most dense layers to be at the very bottom and the least dense layers to be at the top but we don't see that at all we see mixing we see total mixing so why is that why would we see dense not dense dense not dense in a non-logical layer i don't have a clue what you're talking about dense not dense i'm trying to share the screen share something with you now let me try this what we can do is to keep it with the two-minute intervals like are you uh yeah would you mind if i described the density thing though real quick because he didn't really get what i was saying by that okay so um i don't know if you've ever uh had a bucket of quarters right so what happens well a bucket of change what happens is the the quarters tend to stay at the top and the dimes tend to go to the bottom and uh based off of the size of the uh the object so the smaller the object the more likely it is to head to the bottom same with sediments if you run that experiment you'll find that the most fine grain sediments will go to the bottom and the thicker ones will go to the top and it's because the fine grain ones are able to move through the uh the wider sediments you feel i'm saying i hear what you're saying it's exactly the opposite of the truth when sedimentary strata form they form by a process called leading edge grain distribution what happens is can you see the video i'm sharing with you yeah okay this is a laboratory experiment at the university of colorado they're saying sedimentology you can watch the strata forming right before your eyes what you said is the opposite the finer grains don't settle at the bottom and the bigger ones at the top it's the opposite as a strata form strata forms horizontally the larger grains can't stay uh waterborne longer as long as the finer ones they roll over the leading edge and get deposited at the bottom of the strata the finer grains get deposited above that and it radiates the largest grains are at the bottom of the strata and the finest ones are at the top and that's the case with the predominant number of strata in the whole geologic column the finer grains are at the bottom of the strata and uh i mean the top of the strata and the larger ones are at the bottom because they roll over the leading edge of it and settle at the bottom the finer grains are small and they're lighter so they stay afloat in the water longer and settle out later afterward and that's how strata form what you said is the opposite of the nature of all the strata if i had it the opposite i you're right i had it i had it backwards but my point was though is we don't see an organot like a organization of like density within the strata absolutely do uh no yes the larger grains are at the bottom the finer ones are at the top grain like what layers like what are they made out of is what you're saying depends on whatever material sedimentary strata can be created by out of all types of different materials that's why they have different colors so what you see on the screen daniel is sedimentary strata forming right before your eyes in the laboratory and i believe that that's true i believe that you could do that i don't believe that you could do that with thousand layers simultaneously and you could during the fly optimal order no but like the problem is like the lack of order so like what i'm saying is is like you don't have like less dense more dense more dense more dense more dense you have a random coagulation of densities what why would they be continuously more dense going up that makes no sense to me so if you're saying like i'm just saying they would have an order so you were saying that in that experiment they formed in a particular order with the finer grains at the bottom and the coarser grains at the top within an individual strata because of the flood we would see a direct relationship between the oh i see what you're saying you know what i'm saying but we i i do see what you're saying yeah so would you have this misconception that the flood would create one gigantic layer but it wouldn't just as i showed you i'm not saying one gigantic layer i'm saying layers that are in order according to the the finer grains of them like the well let me recap what i'm trying to say in in within individual strata we find that the typical unless the material is very homogeneous that is all clay or predominantly clay and very little anything else unless it's comprised of one particular material and it's comprised of multiple materials and many strata the majority of strata are then what we find is the grainer size is largest at the bottom and moves toward the top that's a general feature of the majority of strata throughout the whole geologic now if the flood was occurring i think if the flood was occurring it would create multiple strata at the same time going back and forth across the earth it perfectly explains why we have i think i think you're saying that without evidence like you're saying that there is a pattern to it but you're saying that completely without evidence what kind of pattern are you talking about i don't understand just said that the uh like whenever you look at the geological column it tends to be the the wider grains at the bottom within a particular strata one strata one strata like you're talking about the stratification so the video that you just showed is forming two different layers of strata am i right at the same time yeah so it's forming two layers i'm talking about between strata i'm not talking about within one strata denser less dense at the bottom i'm saying if what you're saying is true and that is how all of the world's strata was created there would be an organ to it uh according to the necessarily depends on what materials are moved from what place on the continent across it as the waters of the flood are going across the continents and as the floodwaters went around the earth they would slam into each other created a tsunami that went back across the earth in the opposite direction and this would repeat over and over and over creating a geologic column so here's the the important thing you need to understand daniel at the strata of the earth the vast majority of them have a clear fine distinct boundary with one another that can't form over vast period it's impossible i've heard you say that in previous debates but you have no backup behind that like that's not even a problem i have laboratory experiments that prove it okay so no geologist is actually trying to figure out the problem of why there's thin lines between layers of strata like that's that's not even all of them no no find one paper where they're trying to pursue that they're all trying to explain they're all trying to explain it well if they're all trying to explain it how about you drop a drop of paper here's how here's how they're all trying to explain it daniel i could i could i i could get every and you get a geologist i mean you get a geology paper and drop it in the sure daniel here's the thing if if you got 10 of the finest geologists in the world harvard cambridge set universities whatever and god everyone to come in here and i asked them one question i would stump every single one and this is a question how can you explain the fine distinctness and carefully how can you explain fine distinct boundaries between the various strata going all the way through the geologic column with long deposition and they're going to avoid that question like the plague everyone okay um because it cannot be explained with long deposition i don't have a phd in physics right i don't really know physics that well i can't imagine telling people in a debate i have a question that if i asked every great physicist the physicist in the world it would stump them like that's just right that's obviously like uh like that's obviously being overconfident with your knowledge you have your faith in what they say i know but daniel here's what i would challenge you to do when you leave this debate i would challenge you to examine photographs of the geologic column of their strata okay and then look at the fine distinct boundaries between them and try to explain to yourself how you can get such a clear just abrupt change from one paper thin change from one strata to the next different type of material right about daniel let me finish please please well give them how you can explain chance to finish and then we'll kick it back over to daniel pretty quicker and ask yourself how see if you can explain to yourself how the one strata ends abruptly and the next one on top of it comprised of largely a different predominantly a different material sitting directly on top of the next paper thin boundary between them over and over and over in the geologic column if you believe that material was laid down over a long period of time i think that you um you're seeing that it's paper thin i don't think you have a concept of geologic time so i think you see paper thin and you go man that must have changed immediately like that must have been a day to day change one day it's like this one day it's not no but a paper thin margin of strata could be a 10 000 year gap like geological time is not something that normal people are how do you mean how how is that how is that possible that it could be a paper thin gap what do you mean how is it possible it could be a paper thin gap let me show you what i'm talking about take a look at those strata you see the fine distinct boundaries between them okay they're paper thin it's like a experiment of people running water that's going to be no no this is this is just a geologic column this is what it's like throughout the whole earth all over the earth experiments and stratification yeah that's them running an experiment in a little bitty controlled environment that's going to be completely different than a geologic strata that formed over thousands of years really i don't think so because that's a that's a daniel that's a feature of the whole geologic column right there is that rock or is that rock layers this rock solid rock layers of rock with fine distinct boundaries between the strata so this is an experiment that they did where they ran the water and the sun and all you're not seeing the same thing that i'm showing trying to screen share what i'm screen sharing is something else i don't understand uh what do you screen share um which picture is it i don't i don't i don't know what's going on here but i'm screen sharing a slide show you should see a slide show i i do see a slide show okay the fine distinct boundaries between the various strata are often paper thin it's very typical of them to be paper thin you see what i'm saying rock that's solid rock right there daniel that is solid rock yes that's what the whole geologic column looks like going so is that one of those experiments where they ran the water no no daniel what i'm showing you you're not seeing what i'm screen sharing let me stop screen sharing and and try to screen share again okay i'm i want to try this one more time okay i want to screen share this for you because it's really important um i i i'm trying to screen share it okay now i'm gonna i'm gonna choose screen share and choose what i'm sharing there we go okay so daniel what you see on the screen now you might have to wait a couple of seconds i think you have a misunderstanding what the geologic column looks like what you see on the screen there is very much what the geologic column looks like going all the way down to the bottom of the the geologic column down to basement granites and and and such all the way to basalts all the way to the cambrian to the precambrian rock uh is what you see on the screen very much it looks different in different places the colors are different because the strata are comprised of different materials but if you can you can clearly see the absolutely fine distinct boundaries and this is the case not with every strata but the overwhelming majority of strata throughout the entire geologic column have these incredibly fine distinct boundaries one material is available for deposition and stops right above it and then a different material now that can't happen daniel it cannot happen over a vast period of time it is impossible you're proclaiming that but that is nowhere in the literature like no geologist thinks that's the problem i understand they have a problem and they don't discuss it so maybe you can you don't even think a geologist would think to address that issue if that was actually an issue or do you think you just have an understanding of the geologic they sweep it under the rug and don't talk about it but what but what they do do is talk in the university they do in the university classroom talk about how sedimentary strata form right before their eyes in university experiments so you think that all of the geologists in the world are like pushing that under the rug in that effort to just keep the world in the dark it's a problem they can't answer for and that's why they don't discuss it openly in the public you know but like okay so you think that they're so scared of this problem that they wouldn't even write a single paper about it like like there's really nobody trying okay daniel here's what i challenge you to do find any scientific paper in the world that can correctly explain how it's possible for one material to abruptly end and another one to begin right above it think about this one thing daniel think about this one thing if these materials are made of different the strata of different materials that's why they're different colors right you see the tan stuff it's different material than the blacker stuff on top of it right okay that's why it has a different color right so if this material at the bottom the browner was laid down over a vast period of time thousands and thousands and thousands of years and then for some reason the environment just decided hey i'm gonna stop no more of that for you and just provides a different material all the sudden for no reason no more can any of that material come over here and be deposited over there by water now it can only deposit another stuff and this goes on and on and on you have to explain how that's possible daniel it's not possible you keep using words like a blowout and stuff like that i think it's because you don't understand geologic time like you're looking at it through your reference point you're saying this is all six thousand years old so this must have been a five-day change but it's not that that could be a change of five hundred thousand years you know like five hundred two thousand years like it's just because it's a small change and it's like an instantaneous looking change doesn't mean it happened instantaneously so and the way it happens is by differing conditions like for instance so i live in louisiana right i live um a little bit south of new walls so i don't know if you do this but the mississippi river it snakes right so sometimes it's pointing sediment and it's depositing it off of the uh the birds foot of new orleans but then it all it turns around and it goes to the other side of louisiana towards the achapalai river basin so um if we were looking back at that in geologic time we would see that there was one form of sediment for about two thousand years like this the cycle of it's snaking is a 13 000 year cycle so we would see one type of sediment that was get we were getting from the great lakes in one layer and then the next thousand years we would have an abrupt change and then it would be um the sediment that we were retrieving from the ocean how abrupt are you talking about being in 500 years and 500 years would be a paper thin boundary if we look at geologic time you know this much like so this much of rock can represent thousands and thousands and thousands of years i know you believe that in boundary can but like what i'm saying is is like your whole assumption is just based off of you already know it's six thousand years old no not at all basing it off of geological paradigms no i'm basically you know but that's why no geologist actually has a problem with that because they look at that through geologic time because we have a scientific perspective that we look at it with when we see it and we say okay that was a relatively abrupt change in geologic time so it was a 500 a thousand year change which is not a big deal it happens all the time there's plenty of places that are deserts now that used to be forest there's plenty of places that are forest now that used to be deserts uh the world's old and it switches up all the time i know i'm not basing it on paradigm at all i'm basing it on observable testable of science repeated in laboratory experiments but let me let me let me let me speak for a second let me let me speak for a second day so i'm basing it not on a paradigm i'm basing it on observable testable scientific experiments repeated over and over decade after decade in university laboratories which produce right before your very eyes what you see throughout the entire geologic column so the point i'm making now is you said a thousand years as an let me finish please you say a thousand years is an abrupt change daniel during that thousand years was there no materials a to be mixed in with b was the change so fast then why doesn't the strat to gradiate going upward from one material into another because that's not what we see hold on daniel i know you're anxious because that's not daniel i know you're anxious let me let me you just got through talking okay one sec guys we're gonna have to we're gonna have to for the last little bit here we're gonna have to go to two minute intervals just because it's a lot of pressure from both directions so what we will do is we'll give nef two minutes then we'll go to daniel and we'll keep switching back and forth so now go ahead for two minutes unless you want to use less than two minutes either of you can do that okay so daniel um the point is that the change in the materials of the strata the boundary between them is paper thin for the vast majority of strata now if you're saying that even a thousand years wouldn't represent your idea of the whole geologic column you're pointing to one but even if you point to that one example you're telling me that during a thousand years only one material was was there was a change right so during that thousand years then material a is being deposited in this particular location along with material b right and that means they're going to be mixing that that i don't need you to draw it i understood what you said so okay so just to be clear the two minute intervals we want to just have uninterrupted if we yes uninterrupted it's the only way it's gonna work that's probably my fault i'm sorry all right all right so daniel what you're saying is that material a and material b are mixing as they're depositing for a thousand years there's a transition from material a to nothing but material b or predominantly a to predominantly material b okay during a thousand years if that were so then there would be sedimentary materials building up for a thousand years which are mixing from one towards the other and that's going to create a gradient right but we don't see these gradients in the overwhelming majority of the strata instead what we see is the material abruptly ends and the material abruptly begins paper thin boundary now when we go to the laboratory and the scientists mix different materials in the same water and then rush it over a sleuth through a sleuth it separates those materials into paper thin boundaries exactly like what we see throughout the geologic column the point i'm trying to make to you is even if we envision a thousand years of transition from one material to another it cannot create a paper thin boundary between the materials there's going to be a gradation a mixing a change and we should see that in the geologic column we don't see it in the geologic column for about 90 some odd percent 99 percent of the strata therefore the strata were formed exactly as we see it performed in the laboratory which reproduces exactly what we see in the geologic column all right that's at least two minutes so we'll go for about two minutes and 15 seconds for daniel because that's about what nephads so go ahead daniel so say these are two layers of rock strata right we have two layers that took 50 000 years to form right so if the transition between the two was a 500 year period of transition the person it would look like a paper thin boundary because relative to 50 000 it would literally be one percent of that so the the part where it would actually be blending would would be so paper thin as to be not seen with the naked eye like and i feel like um i feel like you're harping on that but no geologist has a problem with that and i i do want to go back to um like this is kind of like the crux of the whole argument why do we not find modern species anatomically modern species with dinosaurs ever none so you're probably going to say oh we found species of owl we found species of bird but yeah we found those but those existed in the time of dinosaurs you know i'm talking about anatomically modern mammals why do we not find them anywhere with the dinosaurs because your ideas of the geologic column and geologic time are wrong i asked you the very same question why do we not find certain species of dinosaurs that dines that were known to exist with others at least according to evolutionists but they're not found in the same strata your idea about where a creature should be is is that's just your ideas now i wanted to share a screen picture of with you i don't know if you can see this i'm trying to share something with you your idea that you would get a paper thin boundary with a thousand years of mixing doesn't match what we know about sedimentology about erosion i don't see no if you can see this picture but every single blue dot in this image represents 200 000 tons of material that's washed away and less than a human lifespan so in a thousand years are we going to see a paper thin boundary is that the kind of erosion that we would see where materials mix or in just one thousand years not hardly that's that doesn't your idea doesn't even match what we know about erosion on the earth it just can't happen that way Daniel we have reproduced it in the laboratory and that's exactly what we see in the geologic column real observable testable science shows that strata form rapidly by moving water by leading aid grain distribution which create paper thin boundaries between the strata now your evolutionary uniformitarianist ideas are something different than what's observed repeated tested real observable science performed in university laboratories science the flood model matches what's reproduced in university labs your idea is never found in the geologic column can i go okay so if if you're right and you think that all these geologists are proving you right why do none of them agree with you like none of them no and that's not true that none do there are there are quite a few creationist geologists that do agree or any of them but but why do they get published or let me ask you this if your income depends on it if your income depends on grants that come only because you talk about evolution are you going to refute evolution and make it unemployed i don't think so so you think that if a geologist would try to tackle the problem of paper thin boundaries they would get fired i think if they admitted that what's the paper thin boundaries between strata cannot be formed by uniformitarian deposition they would lose their job because it's already happened many times who is it happened to i'm feeling about a lot of scientists read a book by Dr. Jerry Bergman called slaughter of the dissidents where he provides details of the ruining of dozens and dozens of scientists careers for simply stating they doubt uniformitarianism or evolution career over well no they definitely didn't get booted that didn't happen either crazy stuff so that didn't happen nobody nowadays believes in total uniformitarianism it's like uniformitarianism punctuated with catastrophe you know nobody believes that all the processes were we understand that daniel we understand it you're not telling the creationist thing both catastrophes they don't get fired you know like it is of course not but but but catastrophe can't explain the geologic column according to them or they get fired so oh but okay i feel like you've still never answered this question every time i tell you it you say it's because your concept of geologic time is wrong but i'm just talking about rock strata so why are there no anatomically modern mammals further back in the rock strata than they should be there's the mixing i mean the sorting of creatures in the geologic column happened because of a couple of things animals the mobility of the animal where it existed in the in the geologic column on the earth at the time whether it was able to flee from oncoming flood waters and take higher ground and whether or not it would float uh bloat pop and sink you have many dinosaur fossils are often found daniel in less than three feet of dirt or a rock in fact sometimes even exposed sitting on in the very tertiary sedimentary strata can you explain to me how you can have a dinosaur in tertiary strata because that's found all over the earth you know so i could explain to you how you could have a dinosaur on the surface right but it's still in its layer of rock strata so deserts right if you go to a desert there's mass erosion and that's not so the desert it roads down and roads down and roads down so what's on the surface isn't the equivalent of the newest level of strata all that away all that erosion right you can actually predict this though so we we can look at geologic maps and we could say okay if we go to that desert this particular layer of strata will be there and we will be able to find dinosaurs from the cretaceous and they'll be able to go out make a prediction and it come true and the reason why they're able to predict that if the cretaceous level of strata is exposed there will be dinosaurs there is because we know that the dinosaurs went extinct right after that and you know you did something really crazy just a minute ago now compare your idea with why dinosaur fossils are found near the surface of the earth with and erosion necessary to do that with your crazy idea that you can have a thousand years of erosion and get a paper thin boundary two seconds i'm going to give daniel a chance to respond but one thing i do want to mention is we have got just a couple of minutes left so i think given that nef started i want to give uh daniel the last word here and then we'll go into q and a as we have a pretty good amount of questions already so go ahead daniel and thanks so much gentlemen thank you so um not all areas of the earth are just constantly eroding a lot of them are getting deposition so you you win some you lose some you get some get some layers of sediment you lose some layers of sediment um just because one area which is a desert lost sediment that doesn't put the nail in the coffin there can't be sediment anywhere on earth that's not how it works that doesn't make sense at all um and uh yeah and you would expect so in the desert you'll have to dig less less deeply to find dinosaur bones but if you're in areas that are getting sediment you have to dig much more deeply to get dinosaur bones is that controversial we let's see let's let that be a rhetorical question otherwise we're going to keep going and we've already gone for about uh not quite an hour and a half but not too far from it so do want to get through as many questions as we can we really do appreciate these folks it's always fun and so always aspie thanks for your super chat said prediction nephilim freeze primary argument is going to be repeating whatever claim his opponent makes but in a condescending and perplexed tone neph are you gonna take that uh no actually my my primary argument i got dragged away from that with discussion of the geologic column i think i've made the case based on man's legends and art that man coexisted with dinosaurs that's what the point i was trying to prove i think i provided sufficient evidence of that uh the geologic column just doesn't match the uniformitarianist observable testable science shows us what happened and it verifies the flood next up thanks for your super chat from gen s who says repent and trust in jesus jesus is true joy appreciate gen movie theory appreciate your super chat said i'll save the time of this debate the answer is yes our one of our trolls always asked me thanks for your super chat said yo what are nephilim freeze credentials dog oh i have a uh a phd from every university and every continent on every planet in every solar system in every galaxy of every universe gotcha thanks so much just what i thought all right thanks for your super chat from yeah it's just many a's in a row i don't know how to pronounce it but they said yo oh they said i am a helibopter thanks for that don't know what that means hmm this one guy thanks for your super chat said eat eat couldn't agree more this one guy koko puffer thanks for your super chat said neph talk about quote giants in those days unquote well the scriptures tell us of giants in those days and the fossil record verifies the creatures grew to enormous size in the past insects mammals reptiles etc birds uh so uh it's logical that in the pre-earth environment which was best suited for life which was ruined by the flood that man also would have been much larger he's an animal next up thanks for your super chat from okay i know she's coming up soon so a a a a a a a a thanks for your super chat he said maybe a t rex eight it's heal what about that neph uh it happens all the time t rexers go straight for the hill you know that's their that's what they taste best especially with the little mckinnie's marbeque songs gotcha a thanks for your super chat said he's right i've seen some unusually large beavers in my day thanks for that always ask be appreciate your super chat said neph lem free why do you selectively believe scientists you accept that dinos are real and fossilized but the same scientists disagree with you but you ignore that what i don't ignore is observable testable science such as sleuth experiments which demonstrate how sedimentary strata form and what i reject is assumptions made on science that don't match observable testable science gotcha and thanks for your super chat from uncivil skeptic appreciate it they said this channel is getting better all the time appreciate that that means a lot all credit to the debaters we do really appreciate these guys they are what make it fun so zach brannigan thanks for your super chat said neph should get a job on a farm he has so much practice cherry picking well the uniformitarian is devolutionist they do their own cherry picking everybody cherry picks if you want to call it cherry picking however i can provide countless statements by scientists that a creature has to be buried rapidly in order to get a fossil which my opponent didn't seem to be like those please post them sure here's how you find it daniel pull up google and type in um uh fossilization and see what the university geology web pages say about how a fossil forms they'll tell you a creature must be buried rapidly for fossilization to occur gosh thanks they'll all do it thanks for your super chat from um say says james there is a ghost behind you careful bro i am so excited this is a basically we're trying to get this set up it's like halfway there the light behind me we are working on getting it so that the chat the live chat that subscribers can interact so if they type in like hashtag blue it would like change the color in the background to you know theoretically whatever color you want red blue green whatever so we're working on that just to make it a little bit more interactive and then it'll also do things like if somebody new subscribes it would glow orange or something like that so pumped about it but thanks for that warning with the ghost as well and stat steven steen thanks for your super chat says neph is my idol in the smartest man alive you have a fan out there neph well i'm just using one side of my brain tonight i'm trying not to hurt anybody that's right neph has got half of his brain tied behind his back thanks for your super chat as says dino man bazillion animals on ark how did noah feed the animals uh he probably was a shovel um you know there was the ark was big enough that you could fit five thousand railroad cars in it and it had three levels uh if you the average size of an animal is that of a sheep if you used adolescent animals instead of large animals noah would have been smart enough to bring adolescents not a full-sized elephant he would bring baby elephants same thing for every species so uh every kind so if you do that you figure it up and it's been calculated noah would have only had to have used one of the three floors of the ark for all the area animal kinds of this earth and would have had another floor for nothing but food and water and an entire uh level unto himself and his sons to play football whenever they wanted to gotcha and thanks so much for your super chat from stupid whore energy strikes again the funny thing is i'm not joking folks when i tell people when i'm like they're like oh yeah i see your youtube channel like people that i see in person friends that live in the area they're like who is that stupid whore energy she's a character uh she is and she says paleon she's more people know more who she is than me uh she says paleontologists have been able to fossilize lobster and shrimp eggs in eight weeks it doesn't have to be rapid neph what are you gonna say back do we lose neph let me check here no i'm here i'm sorry it was her question i got distracted my cat was bugging me that's okay i'm so sorry no that's all right it happens she said paleontologists have been able to fossilize lobster and shrimp eggs and eat in eight weeks it doesn't have to be rapid you beta she i added that last part go ahead eight weeks okay that's not a thousand years uh but the creature has to be buried rapidly to get a fossil every university geologist in the world will admit this if you ask them gotcha and thanks for your super chat zach brandigan says neph how long does it take to turn a bone to stone after being rapidly buried that's uh difficult to say the scientists are unable to reproduce uh fossils uh fossils the the way we see them in the earth if somebody can recreate a fossil a particular fossil that's an exception i've never heard of a scientist actually making a fossil before but uh one thing we know is it can't be buried over a period of a century because or even a decade or even a year because there won't be anything left of it gotcha and next up appreciate your super chat from average joe 11 says the only thing that matches neph's ignorance is his dishonesty neph what am i gonna say where all i don't know you know that's just you know if you need to believe somebody's lying for jesus uh you know to you know then you go right ahead and do it i guess were you just impersonating an internet atheist troll if i sing oh my goodness neph full of surprises uh let's see yeah let's see i'm i'm gonna try to read uh okay so koko puffer thanks for your super chat said i think daniel's argument went extinct yep daniel how do you like them apples i like them gotcha and so sorry one second very embarrassing studio's falling apart over here thanks for your super chat undead christian says neph from unfree the book of joe chapter 40 verses 15 through 24 mentions a beast called a behemoth and is described as a big do you think this is a dinosaur i think it's quite obviously a dinosaur the passage describes the creature as having a tail like that of a cedar tree so uh they're the only creatures that have ever existed on this planet that had tails as large as cedar trees would be a sauropod dinosaur a very large one gotcha thanks for your super chat from koko puffer strikes again says daniel why do you suppose the dragon is the only creature on the chinese calendar that is not seen today i haven't really thought about that much but i think mythic creatures are pretty much in everybody's shit and i mean it's there the dragon is like their primary symbol so i mean i don't see why i wouldn't be on there gotcha always ask me thanks for your super chat says does james wear pants for these debates hashtag real talk i actually usually wear basketball shorts no joke it's just way more comfortable in my legs always get really hot dan dan i wear jeans today dan dan thanks for your super chat said pathetic super chat to a pathetic channel he's making he's making reference to a person i got into a little a little feud with tonight in the live chat i well one thing i'll say is okay it's true one once in a while i'll be a little bit might have been a little bit mean to miguel he started it okay but nobody feels sorry for him but i would say this we never will delete a hater so if you're a hater and you're like oh james you suck at this i might be like you know what you suck but it will never ever delete you because that's against the spirit of the channel and that's a long story short miguel um it's true is a little bit it got a little heated between you right you can always just ask nicely because i can't remember i think someone else said they're like james it might be true that someone's you know person acts as speaking a little bit more or interrupting and i'm like thanks for that feedback that actually really helps but when you do it rudely okay thanks for your super chat mr rectangle says neph where did the strata come from what was under nois feet the day before the flood were there layers why how could layers have a gap at all well as the flood waters traveled across the continents and that's verified by paleo currents in the geologic column two sets of them the bottom ones go from uh the middle shannock ridge east and west west according to which continent you're referring to and then the second set move in all directions off the continents indicating the waters that abated the continents at the end of the flood the continents material from one end of a continent would be transported across the continent to create strata on the other side minerals from the inside the earth which came out would also help create sedimentary strata the materials would be washed back and forth because the flood waters didn't just go one direction they went one direction and then they came back of the other direction because the waters traveled around the earth met each other and flowed back in this repeated numerous times creating a sorting of various materials to create the geologic column gotcha and thanks for your super chat from i'm sorry wilson has said barely high school intelligence beats any college professor good job dr neph dunning kruger let's hear more lunar bukkaki bukkaki like some sort of cake sounds like a type of cake i'm sorry it's a it's a it's a very vulgar thing he's talking about james you don't want to discuss it i promise yeah i've tried a couple times i didn't like it let's see here macabre melefisha thanks for your super chat said neph remember that time you cited an article about the relocation of wildlife as evidence against evolution the internet never forgets and your feats of silliness are now immortalized what do you think how do you like them apples enough i think it's absurd and adolescent for somebody to take the fact that i grabbed the link off the internet the wrong link and pasted the wrong link from a web search instead of the one that i intended to and then try to extrapolate that into something like didn't nobody's talking about because he pasted the wrong link that's uh i think kind of an adolescent way to go about doing business gotcha and thanks for your super chat patreon question appreciate it from brian stevens asked what happens to a fish when it's saltwater environment suddenly changes well if it changes enough it dies you know but uh a vast majority of ocean fish are like somewhat tolerant of like salt changes and uh i'm sure even if there was a flood the um the uh the salt content of the ocean probably wouldn't have changed that that much because it's such a large mass like i'd imagine it was more of a pain in the ass for the freshwater fish than it was for the saltwater fish but um if there if there was a flood obviously that's the thing gotcha thanks for your super chat from skeptic wiz says best of each channel on youtube thank you i pass on your thanks to the speakers as i just love the speakers are the blood the life blood of the channel and so we definitely uh that's why i think it's fun and as well as for you know thankful for you in the chat for hanging out with us it's always a party i'm sorry wilson said who's the kid with no glasses subbing for james i don't know what that means like did it say in the middle bottom middle of the screen that there was like somebody with that username that subbed if so kid with no glasses we are thankful to have you here i feel like i just totally didn't get what that super chat was supposed to mean next up thanks for your super stupid whore energy strikes again she says dinosaurs found in the tertiary are always found to be redeposits of older remains neph uh that's based off upon an assumption that it can't be where it is unless it had been redeposited how do you read positive something that's already fossilized in rock gotcha thanks so much you need a global flood for that you got it and eric veer thaler 92 thanks for your super chat said question for both so sorry daniel neph's been getting all the questions from all of his his his foes from the last 12 years daniel and neph what would change your mind on this topic one thing that would change by mine is if somebody like laid out like a scheme that would make it where if everything was like flushed up at once it would organize itself how it is you know like if there was like a density gradient thing or like a surface area thing let us feel like the the fossil record is pretty like linear and development so that would be one thing and uh if jesus came told me hey you know and told me he was real and then said all this happened i would yeah gotcha and thanks for your super chat from woody oh you're right neph i'm sorry i didn't mean to answer what would change my mind if science if science uh disappeared the world disappeared in my experience with having met the creator disappeared excellent and thank you very much woody for your super chat who sends a actually i forget what is it called a super sticker super sticker of a unicorn with a rainbow tail appreciate that and the gym tanker thanks for your super chat as well says simple and only answer is no can we get off these ignorant topics i don't know if i'm being indicted or if neph if neph is or daniel i can't remember i think i i asked daniel i was like would you be willing to do this topic because neph i mean i'm just gonna it's neph's idea so it's actually kind of mine though dinosaurs are interesting i actually i have to be honest i've never can i give some street cred i'm not taking sides but i have to say that daniel brought something i have never seen before because i've heard a lot of these debates and i've heard of the a lot of the responses to neph's argument but i've never seen someone bring his type of presentation it was a new take and so i learned something tonight so i uh that was something brand new so thanks so much for your super chat gabriel k says daniel did you just down some kratom i did i did y'all want to see my stash it's not illegal i just got in the mail today what is what is kratom is it chocolate no it's um it's a plant i'm a short juice it's dinosaur juice exactly that's gasoline nice well excellent and they said if so smiley face so han desuza thanks for your super chat said neph selectively displays vaguely dino like ancient art to make his case but ignores ancient ancient depictions of griffins manticores and others such neph well i i'd say the uh the claim that they're vague is uh i demonstrated that to be incorrect and as i explained chimera are not species known to have existed in the world and uh so there's a tremendous gap between chimera and actual depictions of dinosaurs which ancient men created throughout history gotcha and brian stevens patreon comments as i now believe in ancient aliens thanks daniel i think he's thanks excellent uh by the way does anybody remember i don't know if anybody was there it'd be interesting to hear over the summer i was traveling and i had a poor connection the surprise and daniel was supposed to debate i can't remember was it me misha misha that's right and they were supposed to debate the connection like failed was it like 20 or 40 minutes into it it was pretty early i thought and he was a good sport though and was very patient because i said i promised when i get back we will host it and now we have a year later so that was really funny though because the connection dropped but me and misha were locked up like me and nephlin were so like we continued for like an hour and then we were like wait are we not online where's james so like we had like a like probably like a 40 minute conversation it just wasn't ash wow oh it's interesting huh it was a good nice and thanks for your super chat mechabre melafisha says luna bukkake equals neph once claimed that the craters of the moon and craters on other moons in the solar system and all the comments and were a byproduct of noa's flood the internet the internet doesn't forget keeps going on about that cake go ahead so yeah that's that's a ridiculous uh adolescent misrepresentation of what i said i said that i believe some of the craters on the moon were created by water ejected from the earth at the onset of the noate flood but uh some people like to try to misrepresent represent that is me having said all the craters on the moon were created by water is ejected from the earth during the flood and nor have i ever said that craters on any other planet or our body in our solar system were created by water ejected from the uh earth during the flood funny thing is nasa agrees that rocks from the earth or on the moon many times of it they just have a different idea of how it got there gotcha and thanks for your super chat from kelob or kelob as he likes to be called gets all fancy says nickleback is a terrible band no talent how do you like that stupid horror energies putting down your favorite band next up thanks for your super chat as well from the gym tanker who says the topic is interesting but oh let me let me focus on hard to see here you get old like me any glasses i'm 33 i'm still hip i'm with it thanks for your super chat from the gym tanker who said the topic is interesting but bringing fiction into it is ignorant i would agree whoa sassy stupid horror energy thanks for your super chat said neph what do you make a fossil dinosaurs that very clearly have feathers i'd say the firstly the evidence that uh dinosaurs had feathers is sketchy it's possible that it was decaying skin that created what appears to be dinosaur i mean a feather impressions in the in the fossils it's not real clear like we can see oh that's clearly a feather but if there were dinosaurs that had feathers that i wouldn't i wouldn't say that's evidence for evolution i would say it's just another example of something that god had created god created creatures maybe creatures that we would call dinosaurs that had feathers that doesn't make any kind of argument against anything i believe gotcha thanks so much get real appreciate your chat they said i think neph's screen is frozen he's been standing really still even while flame has been coming out of his eyes this whole debate ball let's see we're almost to your question the gym tanker thanks for your other super chat said if you believe in the hydro plate theory then you've got serious education issues neph are you going to take that i i'd say that uh you know you have crazy assumptions if you believe uniformitarianism and you're going to have a rough time explaining the geologic column or fossilization over a vast period of time or how you can squeeze millions or even thousands of years in between the strata when they have fine distinct boundaries you've got a lot to answer for that doesn't match observable testable science gabriel k thanks for your super chat said daniel dude i love it i have emerald borneo now i am subbing cool dude also thanks for this great show thanks gabriel stoked to have you here and can you teach us daniel what this means so she should go check out relief.com it's re-leaf.us and uh it's the best pride i've ever had in my life it's amazing um yeah you should hit it up gotcha and thanks for your super chat macabre malafisha says neph you said we would find fossils of sea life wood on the moon or on the moon don't lie and you didn't grab the wrong link you read the title of that journal article not even the abstract no i i i didn't do either one i i i don't think i read from the abstract i i think i started to and then realized i had provided myself the wrong link um it's just ridiculous to carry on and on about something like that uh as for fossils on the moon uh i have said that it's possible uh that uh creature uh could be uh organic remains to be found on the moon i didn't say a fossil would be found on the moon i have never said that. Gotcha and thanks for your super chat from sohan to susah appreciate it said so if an ancient fantasy beast art happens to resemble an actual prehistoric life form he'll say it's proof it lived alongside humans but if it doesn't he'll say it's a chimera so damn fallacious i think that's a misrepresentation of the facts the art created by ancient man is uh i think accurately depicts a dinosaur i think to say otherwise is to be i just say it like i see it i think it's to be disingenuous nobody expects chimera to have existed in the world but when you see a picture of a giant sauropod dinosaur drawn by man over a thousand maybe two and a half thousand years ago i think the evidence is quite undeniable to deny it i think is because somebody doesn't want to change what they believe other spaceships though gotcha thanks for your super chat club who says thank you for watching folks and keep sifting the reasonable from the skylers very funny making a little joke at skyler our dearest friend skylers actually coming back in a couple of weeks and he's gonna have words for you club so that's gonna be fun he is going to be debating on the problem of evil i just got a response from him today that will be with reformed christian apologists so that should be a lot of fun so let's see i've got one question from really early on mind on you thanks for your question said question for neff who is it that you claim is preventing scientists from speaking out about what they allegedly all secretly know to be a problem it's been documented that there are many scientists who have lost their jobs because they expressed doubt about evolution theory and so i i just suggest that i think when people say you know they act like they doubt that that's happened demonstrates that they're just unaware of it probably don't want to believe it either gotcha next up want to say a huge thanks to our guests whose links are in the description and want to say we really appreciate you hanging out with us folks it's always fun i honestly just get a kick out of it it's i am pumped and so kent hovind this thursday if you want a reminder hit that subscribe button and also i think a lot of times youtube doesn't always yeah that's right so if you hit the subscribe button you have to make sure you hit it so that the bell is wrong and you have to make sure there's like different selections there's more options yet and if the bell is wrong if you'll you can choose to get only notifications of some videos or all videos whatever you like just want to let you know that's one way to get a reminder for that debate with kent hovind this thursday on the fossil record d6 thanks for your super chat said um chat what is the letter that looks like upside down w um never mind let's rather go for next super chat i don't get it can you guys explain this to me i don't know what's hit anymore daniel you seem like you're kind of in with what's cool nowadays can you what does that mean i have no clue it's making fun of me or w inside nothing like an m i don't know what it looks like upside down w i definitely know that would be an m yeah they oh i tried the jim tanker thanks for your super chat said they lost their jobs because they don't know what they're doing nef he's talking about your creation as bros or or you know gals like gangsters gender-neutral gangsters go ahead i would just point out the same people who say who who expressed doubt that scientists have been canned for expressing doubt about evolution theory are the same people who like to go around saying if somebody says a university professor says they doubt evolution theory or they don't believe it or they believe in creation one of those three they have no right being a university professor so i think it's kind of hypocrisy hypocritical for them to say that they doubt university professors have ever been canned for expressing doubt in evolution when those very same people would say if you believe in creation you've got no business teaching science gotcha and want to say thanks so much folks it has been a true pleasure we always enjoy hanging out with you and want to say thanks one last time to our guests as we've really appreciated nephilim and daniel and we appreciate their passion that was i think that's what makes a great debate like it's excellent so we really appreciate both these guys who are tremendous tonight and want to say thanks guys for being here thank you yeah thanks uh i'd like to invite daniel to uh debate sometime uniformitarianism in geology which is not what this debate was about but i'd ask him to investigate the things i said and then if he likes to uh schedule a debate about the geologic column with uh on this channel and we could do that sometime yeah i would love to i mean i'm not a geology expert you know like geology is my area of study biology and psychology are and look look chemistry but um all right if you give me enough time ahead of time i'll learn everything i need to know the debate so i'd be willing gotcha and one last super chat or two that just popped in thanks so much for your super chat from gabriel k says thanks i am a he and i like leo from health body and mind excellent excellent quality and cheap one kilogram of good quality of k for 140 bucks you rock dude what she said her name was it was gabriel um what's the name of the place i don't know is there i just oh okay sorry they said uh let's see from health body and mind all right thank you nice and also thanks for your super chat man this macabre is totally coming after you nef they said macabre malafika thanks for your super chat said it's pronounced oh gosh now they're coming after me they said it's pronounced macarb mal afika we'll duly noted thanks for your super chat they said irrespective of the previously mentioned feats of idiocy still not have still not half as dumb as the time you claim to be a geocentrist are you talking to me or nef okay so i i don't know are they talking about i know that it was me for the first part nef they seem to be saying that you claim to be a geocentrists we're gonna love you no matter what well i'm convinced that the earth the galaxy that we're in the because of the quantized red shifts that the milky way galaxy is the center of the universe but not specifically the earth gotcha they just stripper liquor just inform me that i've been basically helping you guys do drug deals because k refers to something that i didn't know what it referred to that's all right nobody's perfect all right thanks for your drug it's a plant it's a it's a tea it's not bad gotcha i have no idea but i trust you and want to say folks thanks so much for being with us tonight i enjoy you guys it's always fun and we will hopefully see you actually we do have one tomorrow too we have a tag team tomorrow night i'm trying really hard to remember the exact topic i think it's either on human evolution or intelligent design of some variation so that should be fun then iger who i think is in the chat right now is going to be debating whether or not the illuminati are real should be this saturday so that should be excellent so thanks so much folks hopefully we'll see you at those and thanks again to our guests keep something out the reasonable