 It's time for Matt Geekab and listener Jeff brings us our quick tip of the week. He says, this quick tip came to me when I had stopped during a bike ride to take a photo with my phone. I opened up the camera app and somehow instead of clicking on the shutter button, I slid my finger from the shutter button to the right towards the where the front rear camera button is on my iPhone. The app immediately started a video recording. If you release your finger from the rear front camera or from the right there, it will continue to record until you click the shutter button again to stop it. Alternately, if you still have your finger on that rear front camera button, you can slide it back or you can just grab it and slide it back. He says, I like this much better as it is a one step process to record a video rather than having to select video and then press the shutter button. That's how you lock a video. The way that you record a quick video is just hold down on the camera shutter button while you are recording and sure enough it will or while you are taking a picture and it will record a video. More quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on MacGeekGab 986 for Monday, June 12, 2023. Greetings, folks, and welcome to MacGeekGab, the show where you send in your quick tips like that one, your cool stuff found, your questions. We put them all together into an agenda, so we'll share the first two and then we will try to answer the latter. We try to answer your questions here. You send them into feedback at macgeekab.com. We try to answer them. This episode we will be doing maybe one question, but we have a lot of cool stuff found as we promised at the end of last week. So we will be digging into that after we do some quick tips here. The goal, of course, being that each and every one of us learns no less than five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include CleanMyMacX from macpaw.app slash MacGeekGab, where you can go and get 5% off, NotionProjects, where you can go try that for free at Notion.com slash MacGeekGab, and Bebe Edit from Barebone Software at Barebones.com. We'll talk more in depth about each and every one of those shortly here for now, here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton. At a crosstown in Lee, New Hampshire, it's Pilot Pete. Good to see you, Dave. It's good to see you too, Pete. Yeah, man. Yep. Here we are. We got some, we got a lot of stuff. Let's, I think we should dive in. So I love that first quick tip. So yeah, just to recap, when in camera mode, hold your thumb or your finger, it doesn't matter what you hold on it. You can do it with your nose if you want. Yeah, but hold down on it to record a video for as long as you're holding it or sort of push and slide to the right, as Jeff mentioned, and it will sort of lock into video recording mode. And as he said, it's a faster way of getting there than simply switching over to video, letting it change modes. You know, there's a little lag there. So yeah, I've always liked that one. James. Oh, sorry. No, what's that? I was just saying, so great minds think alike, your nose, but I bet I'm not the only person who has had my hands full or dirty and use my nose to pull up a message on my eye watch. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Quick tip. Yes, I've done that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just use your nose. It's fine. Yeah. Or anything else you like. James has a another little thing that I suppose you could use your nose for if it's maybe pointy enough. I don't know. He says from the home screen and he says I tested this both on iOS 16 and the iOS 17 beta. But I but we believe this was introduced as early as iOS 13. But I'll share what the tip is. Start playing audio. Doesn't matter what, you know, something from the podcast. Happen could be while you're listening to this in in whatever app or the music. But while audio is playing, he says, if you're like me and you wanted to change the volume up or down significantly, you would have to click the volume up or down buttons rapidly in succession to achieve your desired level of volume. But he says it can be better than that with this quick tip. Press either the volume up or down button just once so that the little volume gauge shows up on the side right next to where the volume buttons are. And then before the gauge disappears, grab it with your finger on the screen and drag up or down. And that way you can really fine tune your volume without having to press the buttons like a crazy person. I don't know that I ever knew this despite I've seen that volume gauge we all have. I've just stayed on the buttons and, you know, press them like a crazy person and, you know, so. Yeah, I like it. This is what we love about doing this show. Now I just need to remember that in the moment, right? Like with these quick tips, the ones like this one that I want to remember when I get your emails about it, I practice them a few times, right? Like right in the moment so that hopefully the next time I'm actually doing it, there will be some sort of sense memory, muscle memory that's like, hey, hey, hey, wait, don't forget, you can do the little drag thing. So you do it right now if you're listening on your iPhone. Yeah. Yalvel, what do we got? Got one from Bill. We do. Bill writes in. He says, I recently noticed that Inventor, the image capture app now includes an OCR option check box when scanning to a PDF. As long as a long time user of image capture to standardize my UI to the different scanners I've had over the years, this is a great new feature. My prior workflow was to scan and then use PDFPen Pro to OCR the scan document. I still need PDFPen Pro for all the PDFs and JPEGs that I create or JPEGs, however you want to say it, phone photos or receive. I'm running Ventura 13.4 and image capture 8.0. Oh, hold on, here's the most important part of the letter, Dave, thank you for your continued excellent and informative weekly podcast. That is the most important. You're welcome. Thank you for your comments. This is very much a team effort here. So yeah, we love being able to do this. And yeah, it's a pleasure and a privilege. More quick tips. JamCycler has one from our Discord channel here where he says, it's long bugged me that when I long press to view a full text message via notification center, I can't then long press the message for a tap back response like a thumbs up or a heart or whatever. However, he says, just like we talked about the mention of double tapping a message for tap back, you can do that same double tap in the notification center view. So when you see a message come in a notification center, if you double tap it, you get the options right there in notification center for a thumbs up, thumbs down, you know, exclamation point, all of that good stuff. So, it's amazing. That I had no idea. I love these things. Yeah, right. Yeah. I haven't tried that yet. You've tried that? I have. Yeah, I practiced what I preached on that one. So yes, I also like to make sure they work to, you know. But that's important, right? Before sharing them, I guess. Yeah, I mean, I've gotten it wrong and I will continue to get it wrong sometimes because there's some things we can't really test and so it's like, you know, we trust you folks. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've got another one from Bill. Bill writes in, for those of yous, for those of us, yous, we're using the MacBook family of keyboards but want the functionality of the home and end keys. For example, I'm in the process of moving workflows from a 27 inch iMac to a MacBook Pro 14. There are keystroke combinations to provide the functionality of the home keys and end key. You've probably covered this before but I had to hunt for how to achieve the home and end functionality in Excel, particularly for moving to the start and end of a sheet. Mecha keys for the home and end keys found on the Apple Extended Keyboard are home with function plus left arrow and end is function plus right arrow. In Excel for the Apple Extended Keyboard and MacBook Keyboard, home or function plus the left arrow to move to the first column of the current row, control plus home or control plus function left arrow to move to the top left cell of the sheet and control plus end or function, control plus the right arrow to move to the last cell used on the sheet. I continue to learn way more than five new things in each episode, thanks. And he also wishes John well in his future endeavors. Absolutely. Yeah. I will put these so that you folks don't have to go back and listen to Pete describe them. That was hard. Yeah. No, I didn't think about it until I sat here and listened to you doing it. And then it was like, oh yeah, no, no, we cannot. We cannot ask people to listen to this. So don't feel the need to listen to that segment. Again, I have copied and pasted this and we will have this in the show notes for MaciCab 986 right in line where Bill's question is. So yeah. Essentially it's function and arrow keys. Yeah, it's function and arrow keys. That's yes, that's a great way to encapsulate it. But yeah, it'll be there. Yeah, yeah. All right, now that I've fixed that in the show notes, let me see where we are with the next thing here. And that's gonna come from Josh. Oh yeah, this was, I didn't know if I should call this a quick tip or what, but it was a great little story. Josh says, I created a calendar event some months back on my calendar for an appointment to get my license renewed. Today I received the notification about my planned appointment and went to look for the confirmation email for any instructions. This is where my issue began. They sent me a confirmation email from a random no reply type email. And to make matters worse, I wasn't 100% certain if I gave them my Apple or Google email address. Since I use both an Apple mail, I searched with Apple mail for terms I thought would be in the email body with no luck. The only way I could think to make things easier was to find out when I created the Apple calendar event because it was likely the same day that I would have received the confirmation email. I like this line of thinking. I've done this too, my guess is many of us have, like, okay, I know that email was somewhere in this date range, maybe I can find it. He says, there is nothing I could find in the calendar app through the GUI that shows me when I created it. I searched a few things on Google and here's how you can find when you created a certain calendar event. I love the ingenuity here. So you take the event and drag it to your desktop, then open the file in a text editor. This will be an ICS file and you can look for the word created in all cabs because that's the format of ICS. And ICS are the little invite things that you get when you're getting a calendar invite from somebody or whatever. So you've just dragged one of these to your desktop, you open it up in a text file, text editor, like BBEdit or even text editor or whatever. And then you look for the word created, there will be a date next to it and it's in year, four-digit year, two-digit month, one two-digit date and then a T after that and then it will give you the time that you created it too. And so he was able to see, okay, I created this on March 18th of this year and then he was able to search his email and found the relevant information, which I love this, this is fantastic. I will share that busyCal in its info panel allows you to display lots of information and you can pick and choose what's in there. One of the things that you can show is the date that you created and the date you modified any calendar event. And I can't tell you how valuable that information can be. Like it is, so many times I'll look at an event and be like, wait a minute, I don't think that's what I meant to put there and I get to see when did I change it or if it's a shared calendar, when did someone else change it and who, which is super valuable. So anyway, I share, yes. It's what you do. It's what I do. It is, I do it, I do it, I do it. So yeah, yeah, it's tough. Thank you, Josh. And to describe that date that Dave talked about, it's a digit so it's now, the date this comes out is the 12th of June. So it's 20230612. That's it, yeah. And then you'll see a timestamp after it. Like it keeps going, but yeah. Hours, minutes, seconds, middle seconds. Hours, minutes, seconds, yeah. It's hours, minutes, seconds and then it ends with a Z. And I bet Pete, you can guess what that Z is for. It might be Zulu or uniform time coordinated. Yeah, it's UTC time. Is that UTC is the same as Greenwich Mean Time, right Pete? Yes. A.K.N. for whatever reason, the military has 24 of the 26 alphabetical letters for each of the time zones around the world. And that is the Zulu time zone. So when you hear me refer to Zulu. So we are in the Romeo time zone. I had no, I knew that UTC was Zulu time and I was pretty sure that GMT was the same as all that. I had no idea why it was Zulu time. I love it. That's fast. So we're in Eastern, Eastern time is Romeo time. We're in the Romeo time zone, yeah. And is it always Romeo, even when we're in daylight time or not daylight time? Yes, I think so. That's perfect. That's my recollection. I have not been on active duty in 28 years. Yeah, fair, fair, fair, fair. So you do not, you do not use, you just standardized to Zulu time with your commercial piloting. Yes, that's so people don't show up late or early for their flights. Oh, I get that. The whole, yeah, the whole airline scheduling is everything's based on Zulu or UTC. And then, but like if, so you would fill out what was called a yellow sheet when you would go flying, you would always put, you know, it would say time zone. You just put Romeo, because you're flying on the East Coast. If we went out to Yuma to do a heavy weapon stat or something like that, I want to say it was to, someone correct me, but it was the Oscar or no, I don't think they used Oscar because it's too much of a zero. So it was probably the Papa. Oh yeah. Yeah, okay. Fascinating. Yeah. Fascinating. All right. Thank you for that. This is, I love, I love learning these things. I love learning lots of things. Yeah. We're useless trivia to fill your brain. It's not like it's something we see all the time. And never give it a second thought. And never give it a second thought. Correct. So thank you for that. It's nice to have context to it. So it's nice to know there's not only Zulu time. Right. Yeah, yeah. All right. But it is, it makes perfect sense that in an ICS, like when I think it was Red Duda at Apple who created the ICS format. No, he created Caldav. Sorry. Sorry. I may have, he might have created ICS. I don't know. He definitely created Caldav, but whoever created the ICS format using the one letter codes to indicate time zone is far more efficient when you're building a text file than having, right, than having a three letter code. E-T-E-S-T. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like, nope. Wait a minute. We will, we will do this one way and one way only and you get one character in which to do it. Enjoy. Yeah. No, it's good. All right. You want to take us to... Mr. Jamcycler. There you go. I can do it. Another one from Jamcycler. Yeah. So he makes a lot of animated GIFs for Mac Mondays including screen recordings on his iPhone. And since this requires some practice, a number of the recordings are duds and need to be deleted. If I know that recording needs another take upon stopping it, I can simply swipe down on the notification that reports quote, screen recording video saved the photos unquote and tap delete. So essentially when you're done doing a screen recording, it gives you no, hey, you know, I've saved it to your photos. Just swipe down on that and hit delete. Now you don't have to stop what you're doing, open photos, go in and select it, delete it. Are you sure you want to delete it? Yes. Are you really sure? Yes, I'm really sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Oh, that's great. Yeah, these are, if they're documented somewhere, we haven't found them but that's, I love these little things. You know, it's, I love these little things. I love that we all find them for each other and share them with each other. It's important to remember, like the way to find these things is to think like, what, to think along the lines of, if I were in charge of this, what would I want? Or if I was a user of this, which it turns out you are, if you're doing one of these things, what would I want? And I could control how it was built. What would I want to give myself? And think about what the, because that's the mindset that the programmers that are creating these things, the engineers that are creating these things, that's the mindset that they're in. They're using it, but they also happen to be in a position to create these. So be, you know, thinking, oh wait, I might want to delete one. You know, how would I do that? What follows general Apple human interface guidelines? Okay, yeah, let's add that in. And oftentimes they are just added in there because it makes sense to add them in. So yeah, I love it. That's good stuff. Hey, we've mentioned that we're gonna be at Mac stock, which is true. We will. That's later this summer in July. 99% sure I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna bid for it off. Okay, yeah, there you go. Great. Mac stock is Saturday and Sunday of the weekend that would be the July, I think 22nd and 23rd, if I'm not mistaken, whatever that turns out to be. On that Thursday, Barry Fulk is returning with his Midwest Mac barbecue and he wanted us to share this here. The Midwest Mac barbecue is the sort of the, at the core of Mac stock's existence. Barry created this barbecue because he wanted to get himself together with a bunch of his favorite, podcasters and podcast listeners. So he created this barbecue and said, would you guys come out for a barbecue at my house on some Saturday afternoon in July, many, many moons ago. And a lot of us said yes, including me and Pete and John was there too. And that's when Mike Potter, who created Mac stock said, wait a minute, if all of these people are gonna be in the same area, why don't we have a conference during the day and then we'll go to Barry's for the barbecue at night. And that's exactly what happened. And so things were born and Barry is bringing it back. So if you wanna learn more about Barry's Midwest Mac barbecue and you are going to be in the area, there's a link in the show notes that you can check out. And hopefully it's, you know, I hope to see there. I'll be there. So yeah, Pete might be there. We're not sure. Gonna try. All right, cool. One last quick tip for them, then we've got some cool stuff found to do and you know, all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So, and there was some discussion about this further in the Discord channel just this morning. But on the show today, he writes, you talked about setting a rule for removing mail, but Apple says... Last, on the show last week. I'm sorry. Yes, last week. That's okay. He wrote it that day. Yeah, yeah. I meant what I knew. Apple says, important because messages in the junk folder are automatically deleted after 30 days. Periodically check the junk folder for messages that were mistakenly marked as junk. It seems to be true. My iPad only has recent junk messages. So yeah, we were talking last week about how to auto-delete, how to create an auto-delete rule, if you will, for junk messages on your Mac. And it turns out you don't have to necessarily. iCloud will delete them after 30 days. And it seems like there is no adjusting of this. You can, on your Mac, you can set your Mac to delete junk mail in iCloud and any other mailboxes that you have. You get to decide it per account. You can do it, I forget what the options are. I don't have them in front of me, but it's 30 days, 15 days, a week or something like that, a week, two weeks, a day. So you can have it deleted earlier, but I don't think you can have junk just stick around past the 30-day mark. I think iCloud will wipe it out. And then I guess the discussion in there, and I lost track of it. I looked for it in Discord, but someone, I think it was Porto John, said he had more mail in there, but the junk mail, it's the junk mail that goes. It's the junk mail, yes. So I was wondering if you reply to junk mail, does it automatically unjunk it or archive it somehow so it doesn't go away? I don't know, that was my... If you want to mark something as not junk, I believe with iCloud mail, you need to tell it not junk in either Apple mail or in the iCloud mail interface. However... Otherwise it's going. However, with most email servers, and I would not surprise me if this is the case with iCloud as well, with most email servers, moving a message from the junk folder to your inbox also is a way of signaling and training that this is not junk. I don't know if that's for certain with iCloud. I don't use iCloud mail in any real capacity. And obviously I have iCloud mail accounts, if we all do, but it's just not one that I use. So I can't speak to that for certain, but that is how you do it with Gmail. That's how you do it with Fastmail or a way of doing it with Gmail and Fastmail. There are other ways you can mark those as well. All right, yepy. I bet we could do some cool stuff found now. I'm just guessing. Yeah, let's do a couple of quick ones and see where we get. And then we'll dig into some that are not going to be so quick. And listener Adrian sent in a note talking about the... There has been for a long time this Google document called the, in general, the iOS beta app compatibility chart and it has been updated for iOS 17. And wow, I looked at this for the first time yesterday and it had maybe 100 things on it and now it has almost 800 things on it. Yeah, so people have been busy. It is a link to a Google Sheet. We all only have read-only access. Obviously there are people who maintain this that are able to write to it, but yeah, yeah. And if you wanna add an app to the list, they have a form that you can fill out and that might just add it to the list. I don't know, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. But it will tell you if you are considering updating to the iOS 17 beta, what? What you're gonna break? What you're gonna, yeah, what's gonna break for you. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, handy. Everything on your phone, it's not gonna work now, so. Yeah, yeah, no, it seems like a lot of stuff is working with beta one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, I will, I am maybe today if I have time, I am going to put iOS 17 on my 10R, which I believe it will run it so that I have it running on something here and playing with it. And so, well, yeah, we'll report back on that one. But I don't, I know there are many of you who have already put it on your daily drivers and bless your hearts, thank you for that. I'm not gonna do that quite yet, but you know, I usually will, I'll wait until sometime, I have some travel at the end of August, I gotta get a podcast movement in Denver, I will probably switch over my daily driver to the beta after I return from that, which would, if all goes according to historical indications, that would give me about a week to 10 days on my daily driver with the final, something close to the final beta before it's released, which I find usually works out pretty well. But I do, I am hesitant to travel with my iPhone on a beta version of software. So as a developer, you can get the beta now, that the public beta is coming out later, right? Or is that already out? I think next week, I think it's, I think they said next week, yeah, yeah. Okay, and so is the public, I know by definition, the beta is not stable, but is the public beta not stable enough, you don't wanna put it on your daily driver yet? The public beta has traditionally been a week behind the dev beta, but it's basically the same thing as the dev beta. So yeah, no, if the dev beta is unstable, the public beta is unstable. It's, yeah, so yeah, they just delay it by about a week. And then PM Conaway in our Discord chat is reminding me about roaringapps.com, which is another resource for compatibility for macOS and iPhone apps and Windows apps, they say, for all kinds of stuff. And they have a compatibility table as well. This does not, these are, I'm looking at it to see if they have the new betas. I don't see, oh yeah, they do. They have macOS 14 on this list. So yeah, I'll put that in here too. Yep, they're already up to date. Love it, love it. Well, you mentioned the fact about the Discord. I wanna bring up to people. Come join us at mgg.com slash discord. During the show for live chat, but there's helpdesk, tips, cool stuff found. Basically it's a great community with a bunch of people helping each other out. Tech support for free. Yeah, yeah, we all help each other. I've gotten as much help as I've given there. It's great, yeah, so yeah. And then the, one other quick thing on there is that normally we are in mgg live chat this week. Yeah, don't dig into that. Nope, I'm gonna stop you right there. You're gonna confuse everybody. I'm confused. Because it's, yeah, we are doing an experiment in the Discord. If you're there, you'll understand it. If you're not. If you're not, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we are continually evolving the Discord group to best serve the way that we all want it to work. And Discord's adding features too. And we're always sort of reviewing those features and seeing what ones would make sense for us to adopt and what ones are just like, yeah, we'll leave that sort of on the side. But yeah, no, there's, yeah, that's good stuff. But it's a great community. Come join us. And one place that I like to use Discord, Pete is outside on my patio. But here in New Hampshire, we have lots and lots and lots of bugs. Full weather. Yeah, it's been weird weather, man. But yeah, we get a lot of bugs around here. And I mentioned this last year, and I will mention it this year at the beginning of the season because it's been life-changing. The products from a company called Thermacell for ridding the air around me of mosquitoes have been life-changing. They have portable units. And some of these portable units are in the, I'll say the $25 to $50 range. And they will do like a table or like your fire pit kind of thing or whatever. They do have a system that is meant to be more permanently installed, but you can install it yourself. Like I installed mine, it's not scary. You don't need an electrician or anything. You just plug it in. But you leave it outside all winter and then you use it again in the summer. Which we did last year and it's been great. And that's called the Thermacell Live-LIV system. But check out, if you need mosquito protection, I have some of their portable units that I bring with me to outdoor gigs. And I set them up, I just put it next to my drum set and let it go and it's life-changing, so. What's the technique you, Steve? It's different kinds of tech depending on the different, the portable units are different from the one here that you use at home. But I think chrysanthemum oil is part of it. There's, yeah, there's a variety of different things. They talk all about it. 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Apple didn't explain it, we didn't explain it on the show and the reason is we already, we thought we incorrectly made the presumption that everyone knew what profiles were for in a web browser. But if you've only ever used Safari, you don't know what profiles are for in a web browser because you've never experienced this anywhere else. So most other major browsers already have this feature, this is definitely a catch up with Safari and a very welcome one. So the major difference is the way I think about it is your cookies and your preferences. Let me give an example. Let's say I'm logged into Amazon in one of my tabs in one of my tab groups, right? I'm logged in as me. And if I open up another tab or another tab group that happens to have Amazon in it, I'm still logged in as me. But what if I need to log in as my affiliate work email account into Amazon, right? I can't just open another tab and do that unless I open a private tab, right? And then I can log in and do that in that session. But then when I close that private tab, it's gone. Or I could create a profile to be logged in, one of them as personal, one of them as work. Then I just choose the profile that I wanna use and boom, I'm good to go. I'm logged in as personal in my personal profile and that never changes unless I log out or it times out my login, expires it or something after 30 days or whatever. And then I have my work profile that's completely different set of preferences and cookies and all of that stuff. So it's essentially multiple personalities for your web browser in a good way. I hope that makes sense. It does. Here's why, because it happened to me. And we talked about it briefly, but it never even occurred to me that I needed to use profiles. I do two different shows on the same platform, StreamYard, I was having to log out of one to log back into the other. And once you said, hey, just use profiles. You can change profiles and remain logged in on the same platform with both different names. Yeah, same thing as Amazon. Two different accounts. Right. Same, it's awesome. Two different accounts. Yeah, where I use it most often right now is with Google accounts. There's some, I have my main like Google account, but then I have others and Google only lets you be logged into so many. And it starts getting really confusing if you have one profile, one browser like Safari just logged into as many as it can be. You wanna switch around, it's weird. You wind up having to re-authenticate and it can be a huge mess. So I have different profiles in Chrome for different Google accounts and then I'm good to go. And I haven't messed with this in Mac OS Sonoma yet. So I don't know the use the implementation. But in Chrome, I can have different windows open simultaneously in different profiles, which is huge. It really is cool. My hint for that is it lets you pick colors. So red is for my repeat, which was my call sign. And one P is purple. So P at arm is my, so that's how I can look at the window and know exactly which profile I'm dealing with. That's really smart, I like that. I need to do that too because I haven't gotten smart enough. I know that each of my profiles has a different color because it sort of auto assigns a new one when you create a profile, but I don't know what they are. I need to be more intentional about that. I got intentional about that because I'm like, oh, I'm in the wrong one. I gotta figure out which one is which. Pain has an interesting way of inspiring us, doesn't it? It learns you not to do that again. It does, it does. All right, into some cool stuff found. The first one is, I saw David Chartier over on Mastodon posted. He said, do you need a watch later service that supports virtually every video platform and works on all your Apple devices, including your Apple TV? Yes, he says. The answer is yes, you do need this. And that means you need an app called Play. He says, you should all download it and send him a couple of bucks. So yeah, Play is a watch later app that, as David said, works on all your devices. So you get to track everything that you're gonna watch. And having, I use something called TV Time to do this currently, but the idea of having it on the Apple TV so that my wife and I can both see the list of what's there and what's next. And I'm not just having to like read her the menu anytime we sit down to watch something. I like this idea a lot. So I'm gonna have to check. I have not checked it out yet, but as soon as I saw it, I made two notes. One for me to check it out and one to share with all of you. So it's a TV app as well as an Mac OS app? Correct, it's Mac, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. So you can track the stuff and the data syncs. So you can manage it on your iPhone, set it all up on your Mac if you want and then just go kind of use the TV as the selection interface, if you will. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like it. I like it and it looks like it's $2.99, $2.99 cents. So, you know, that seems like, I'm gonna spend that to test it. There you go, I think so. If it does anything. First of all, I trust David Chartier. He's been writing for all kinds of people and publishing in the Mac universe. He even wrote for us at Mac Observer for a while. So I trust his recommendations. But if it does anything close to what they say and he says, which I'm pretty sure it will, then it's probably worth 10 times that price. But that's how things are these days. And if not, you're out $2.99. That's it. Speaking of something for $2.99, Lee has a story and a cool stuff found to share since my wife was getting hammered with an endless series of spam calls from the 213 area code. Our home in Baton Rouge isn't exactly a hub for LA-based calls, which made these calls as suspicious as a duck in a business suit. Verizon's blocking service was no match for this onslaught. With heroic intentions, I armed her phone with my favorite spam killer app, RoboKiller, feeling like a digital knight. However, the dragons of spam calls laughed at my pathetic sword. Every number she blocked, another rose from the ashes, all sporting the 213 badge. Despairingly, I wondered, how does one block an entire area code? It seemed like none of my trusty, spam-busting apps could crack this one. Enter number shield. A $2.99 cent shining knight from the app store, it blocks calls by pattern. I had it block the pattern, 213-number-number-number-number, number, you know, number being a wild card. And voila, we effectively blocked just under a million phone numbers from 213 and all zeros to 213 and all nines, they're all gone. Spam killers, spam callers from area code 213, not gonna get caught by you, no, sir. So that's a pretty, yeah, I, as I'm reading this, I'm wondering, because I've done this, this is why I'm wondering this, but I'm wondering if Lee wrote this, or if Lee asked Chat to PT to write this. Oh, maybe, yeah, I have one correction to make. Yes. He blocked a million. Gotta count all zeros. Oh, you do. Right, it is inclusive. Yes, it is not just shy of a million. Although there are, to be fair, there are some patterns of numbers that are not allowed to be phone numbers. Yeah, so a million possibilities have been blocked. A million possibilities have been blocked, that, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's good to be pedantically accurate. We like that here on this show. Like 555, I think it's one of them, because they always show that in movies and on TV. Exactly. So there's no 555. There's no 555, yeah. Yeah, and there didn't used to be 111s, or any starting with one, because you would dial a one, you know, two. For international, or for international, right? But now, most exchanges, and I'm sure 213 is there, require you to dial the area code for even what we call local calls. And kids, if you don't understand what that means, ask your parents, but yeah. That recently hit us in New Hampshire. You used to be able to put anything within the 603 area code. You could dial to seven digits. Not anymore. Not anymore, because we have numbers that start with one. Now that we had to, we had to open it up, because we were running out, so yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating, but yeah, that's how it works. All right, you wanna take us to the next one, Pete? Yeah, I've got a cool stuff found, and I found it. Well, actually I didn't. It was actually mentioned on show 940. Patrick, yeah, Patrick in 940. Yeah, yeah, show 940. But I've been using it, and I love it. Keyboard clean tool from the folks that bring you better touch tool and better snap tool at fullyvora.ai. That'll be in the show notes. This is cool. It's super lightweight. It pops up a screen. You click on the button. It doesn't really appear to be a button. That's the one criticism I could go, but for free, you know, I'll take it. Sure. Click to start cleaning mode and lock the keyboard. So once you click that, you can touch your keys all day long, and nothing will happen. So you can take, I take a dampened alcohol cloth, and I wipe all the sandwich grease and schmutz off my keyboard. And when I'm done with that, I can click the button again, because your trackpad and your mouse still work. You can then click the button again to allow it to resume keyboard inputs. But... And it works just as well as it advertises, right? Absolutely, it does. Because and the reason it's important, right, is you don't wanna be doing all this input and maybe do something nefarious to your computer without realizing you're doing it, is you're just trying to clean the keys. Absolutely. And in the good old days, you could do that by turning your laptop off and doing that. But now, as soon as you touch a key, it turns your laptop on. So that's why the essential, yeah, that's the problem solved by this little free application. In a good old days, Pete, we would just unplug our keyboard and do it. But... Well, there's that. With laptops, you can't do that. With Bluetooth keyboards, that's tricky, because you can't unplug it. You'd have to turn it off, take the battery out. Right, like there are ways, but this is the easiest way. Okay, I mean, I remember reading it when we mentioned it from Patrick back in 940 and I thought, oh, that's a good idea. But I had not installed it now. Okay. I really like it. I've used it several times now and I just, I don't know, I'm a clean freak on my laptop. I like my keyboard to be clean. I like my screen to be pristine. I use special screen cleaners with alcohol and a dry pad. And that's just the way I can ask for my former laptop when I go to sell it. Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Rawl605 in our Discord chat says, if you use Notion on the web, Chrome, Edge or Firefox, there is a plugin you should check out called Notion Boost. It is a super cool extension that adds all kinds of handy features to using Notion on the web. And this is one thing where Chrome definitely has a leg up on Safari even still. Like, Safari has some extensions. It has the ability to have extensions. There are many extensions which are not, at least not yet engineered to work with Safari but are engineered to work with the other browsers and things like this can be hugely helpful. So yeah, if you're a Notion user, go check that out and thanks for that, Rawl. I call you Rawl. I'm sure your name isn't Rawl. It might be, but I'm guessing it's not. Anyway, moving on. Pete, you got another one for us? I do. Another one to revisit? I like revisiting. It's what I do. It's what I do best. Hey, it's all right. Orthos John brought it to our attention initially in show 972 and it's called Shutter. S-H-O-T-T-R-E. Got it. Yeah, so it's, what do you call it, David? It's shareware, but it asks you and if you don't give it money, you still get all the features but it just annoys you about every fifth or sixth time. And so it's donationware, shareware. Yeah, donationware. Okay, yeah. You know what? It's so good I sent in the eight bucks to get the license. So what's it, yeah, what's it do? I mean, I remember talking about this, but yeah. So Shutter is a screen capture tool that allows you immediately, as soon as you, you set your own hotkeys. So you can go in and turn off in system settings, the default screen capture hotkeys, if you like, or you can set slightly different ones. For instance, shift command two is how you then get the little crosshairs, drag it across what you wanna select. And as soon as you release, it comes up and brings up the editor. And you can select a photo with text underneath it. Let's say it's a button. So an icon, I should say. And you select the icon button and the text underneath it. And then say blur and it blurs the whole thing and you then go over now, just blur the text. It leaves the icon in place and it blurs the text. You can erase any of that and it automatically pulls in behind, smartly pulls in behind the color. So it looks normal, like nothing was there. Here's the coolest feature of it for me. If you have a webpage that is long, scrolls way down, but you wanna capture the entire thing, you can set up a keystroke so that it will capture the entire scroll. So essentially what you do is you hit that keystroke, you drag your crosshairs across that web browser and you let go and it automatically scrolls the browser to the very bottom or 20,000 pixels, which is what default is. You could set more or less. Once it's got to the bottom of that webpage, it stops scrolling automatically and brings the entire captured webpage up and into the editor. This is amazing. I'm watching and anybody who's seeing the video of the show, we're all watching the sort of their demo video of this. As you're describing these features, we're getting to see them in action. Holy cow. Like, okay, I need this. I think we all need this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good stuff. And it's free. Yeah, right? Well, yeah. But I give him the eight bucks. I mean, man, that guy has put this much effort into it. And he's got a little survey at the bottom. Hey, which feature do you want me to do next? And... I love this, I love this. I love it. So, Pete, I think you are getting bit by the Ventura Core Audio in Chromebug because we're getting more and more clickiness from you. So, I'm gonna ask you to just relaunch Chrome while I tell people about two other cool stuff found. I'll make it so. See you guys in a minute. We'll see you in a minute, Pete. Yeah. Yeah, we could all Ventura Audio. Ben shared a different screen capture tool and I figured this was a perfect time to talk about these that we've kind of had in the queue for a little while. Ben being jam-cycler says, I went looking for a Mac app for converting screen recording videos to animated GIFs and found Clacket, C-L-A-Q-U-E-T-T-E, which includes the ability to record the screen, including System Audio. And System Audio only works in Ventura, speaking of changes to Core Audio. They have made changes. Some of them evidently good. Like the sound isolation plugin we talked about a couple of weeks ago. Some of them, well, you know, different. But that's Clacket. So thank you for sharing that, Ben. And then Andrew Woodward has a second one for us for screen captures. And that is called Screen Flick. He says it records the screen and audio, either the whole screen or just a set square. And welcome back, Pete. And Apple, he says Apple is a built-in screen recorder, but uses no audio. That's where it comes, this comes in, and I says he uses it for recording video from web pages and live streams. My use case was TV news stories about my business that I would record and then put up online or recording Zoom for Teams recording purposes when it wasn't being recorded in the app. So yeah, all right, that's, yeah, there are ways of creating the system audio as a device to feed into Apple's screen capture, but it's not generally the most intuitive thing. So this definitely solves that problem. So yeah, thank you for that. Good stuff, good stuff. Speaking of audio, how are we doing, Pete? I think I'm back. How am I doing? Click, click, click. I think you're back. We'll see how the clickiness is. Yeah, yeah. All right, go. Oh, no, I was just gonna bring us to the next, the next cool stuff found that I have, which is, it was suggested by Jeepster 8675309. It is something I use too. It's called Turbo Boost Switcher. He says, I use it to control the fan noise on my Intel MacBook Air, and I mainly use it when on battery to turn Turbo Boost off. It uses less battery, generates less heat and less noise. He says, you can get it for free, but I bought Turbo Boost Switcher Pro for 10 bucks. After I started using it more often, he says, I believe these settings are only, there are certain settings only available in the Pro version, which is true. You can have it kick on automatically with the Pro version and do some things. I use it here. You know, I'm on that 2019 Intel iMac in the studio. And as soon as core audio is like kicked in and video is running, my fans would be loud enough for you to hear while I was talking. Even though the CPUs are not pegged, I mean, even with Turbo Boost off, my CPUs are maybe at like 20 or 30%. It's not like it's over cooking things. But when video and audio are kicked in, it just turns on Turbo Boost mode by default. And this lets me turn that off so that my machine does not run into fan mode. So yeah, it's a great piece of software and it works, obviously I'm using it with Monterey, it works with Ventura as well. So don't know about whether or not it yet works in Sonoma, but with the betas, but I'm sure we could check that on the aforementioned lists that we put in the show notes here. Right. Yep, that's what I got there. You got anything else, cool stuff found, Pete? I've got plenty that I'm gonna happily roll through here, but. Let's keep going. Yeah, I was looking at the agenda and I've somehow Googled my notes. So Sonoma has disappeared from me. So back to you, Dave. Back to me, no, it's totally fine. We've been talking a lot about portable monitors on the show here and there is a monitor that one can travel with, right? And Apple's Vision Pro might serve that need for some people or the whole vision line of products. And I think that's an important way for us to sort of think about this is, think about the Apple Watch, right? There are many different models of Apple Watch. And they run the gamut of pricing. So I think we will see other models of Apple Vision some things, but that could be a monitor. But in the interim, well, we don't have that option to even try using a portable monitor when we travel can be really, really handy. Some of them do not stand up all that well and Rod in the chat suggested the cabcon tablet stand, which we will put in the show notes. It's 28 bucks and it will obviously hold a tablet, but he says it also holds, you know, like a 15 inch monitor just fine and it lets you adjust the height and the angle of it and holds it pretty well, but also folds very flat, which is the key for traveling it with us. So 28 bucks and it's yours from Amazon or at least it's 28 today. They've got them in different colors. It looks like you could pay up to $31 if you want a different color, if you want black or pink. So pink, what they call the pink tax is alive and well as well here. Although I'm seeing that there is a 5% coupon on Amazon, at least, well, we're recording this. And I think that's been there for a little while. So thank you for that, Rod. Yeah, good stuff. Speaking of cool stuff found, and you're really gonna be upset with me when I tell you what this is. Listener Dom shares with us the Anker Everfrost powered cooler. And yes, it is cool. It's not inexpensive though. I think you could get an Apple Vision Pro for about the same price, but it's a battery powered cooler that will cool up to 42 hours. It's got a 299 watt hour battery. You connect to it with your phone. It's also got solar input. It's got dual zone temperature control. So if you are someone who camps or does all kinds of those things, this might be something for you. It's interesting, the price was on here when I looked at it, so I didn't put it in the show notes. But I think it was over, I don't know, I think it was over two grand. Like I don't think it was cheap. I could be wrong on this. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not inexpensive. They are not giving them away. Yeah, let me see. Where can I buy it? Anker.com slash everfrost-powered-cooler. Yeah, I know. That's the website I have up, but there's no price on here. At least not that I've found. Not anymore, but yeah, I don't think you're gonna get it inexpensively, but they do say that they have a 25% discount. So it's a cool thing. And it's also a cool thing. Oh, I see what you did there. Do you see what I did? I won't do that again. I have to do it. I deserve that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't have the price anywhere. So they've obscured it, perhaps, for good reason. But still, good stuff. Blocktech has found this thing on Kickstarter, and I'm always hesitant to share Kickstarter things, or at least I like to make sure you know that you might not get what you think you're gonna get. Most of them work out all right, but they take oftentimes take longer to get than they say. And there's always interesting little things because you're backing a project. You're not just buying a thing. But it's called iFramex, I-F-R-A-M-I-X. And the idea of it is to take your old iPads and turn them into digital photo frames, home cameras, clocks, and more. And they've got a frame that you put around the iPad and you can hang it from the wall. It helps reduce e-waste because your iPad isn't just sitting there or being thrown away. And then it's got a little app and you can do different things with it. So it's an interesting idea. I like it. I think it's about, it's not inexpensive. I think it's about 300 bucks. $299 is the current lowest price you can get them for. With Kickstarter, they tend to have a certain amount at a low price and then another set them out at the next price up, et cetera, et cetera. And then when it goes up for sale, it'll probably be $499 or something like that. But yeah, I like the idea of this. The iPad that's sitting in your drawer or you're not sure what to do with, you're not sure who to give it to. Having, as we've mentioned on the show, I think it was just last week we were talking about the value of a digital photo frame that you can have in your house and maybe you've already got one. Yeah, that's neat. Those are cool things. It's cool. It's a little expensive, but for what it is, like you've got to provide the iPad and then 300 bucks. So yeah. In that same vein, I'm going to tease something because I can't find the link because I have a new laptop and by the way, all your messages don't board over from your old one. But my nephew took an old iPod, the ClickWheel iPod and essentially turned it into a new one, put all new memory in it. Now it's like, I don't know. I think 500, no, it's 256 gig SSD in it and a battery that lasts years without a recharge. So I'm going to tease that and I'll bring that to another show soon because he gave me the link on there doing that. So if you've got an old iPod laying around, it's something cool to do with it. That's cool. All right, yeah, I want to learn about that. That's fascinating. I like it. Your messages could port over to your Mac. You're talking about like iMessages, yeah? Yes. So again, the new laptop, the anything before last week, isn't there. If you go into messages, settings, iMessage and enable messages in cloud, that should sink them down. I mean, I'm on this Mac that I wiped clean. Yeah. That was unchecked looking at that. Did you check it? I just checked it. All right, well, hopefully. Downloading messages from cloud. Yeah, I had MDS stores, the spotlight engines go nuts while it was pulling those down. So you may have created a problem for yourself while we're recording here. Or maybe you need to reboot again. Maybe. And your sound problem, we're not going to worry about it. It's better, but I think a reboot is probably what's going to fix it. And if that doesn't fix it, you and I'll take this offline to figure it out. But yeah, don't bother. It's much better than it had gotten. So I think if we were here for another hour, it would get worse again. But the good news is, we're not going to be here for another hour. So, you know. Sadly, we're not. Yeah, yeah. But downloading messages from the cloud. I don't know why that's not on by default, first of all. Secondly, I don't know why you can't only store the images from your messages in the cloud. Like you either get to delete images or keep them, but they are then on all your devices eating up storage times four or whatever. Yeah, you know. So, like Apple has not talked about fixing that. I haven't heard anybody say that they were at some dub dub session where they said, oh, by the way, this is also fixed in all the new operating systems. Because that kind of thing happens. I bet the folks at MacPAR, someone along those lines could come up with a way to. Yeah, yeah. I'm amazing. I know I'm amazing can can sort of offload those for you. I think. I think. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it used to be the only, you know, it was the old like Sanuti and those type of that you could go in there and delete the cruft. Right, right. You know, go back and go. Yeah, if somebody knows. That picture was sent to me five years ago. That's feedback at mackegov.com. If you're if you're offloading the images that you've received or sent in messages and archiving them somewhere that's not just barfing them on all your devices, let us know. Oh, yeah. Do that at feedback at mackegov.com. That's what I said. Feedback at mackegov.com. Just try to make sure everyone heard you. Portos John in Slack, sorry, in Discord shared Slack GPT, which is a plug in for Slack. If you're using that in your workplace that lets you use the power of generative AI like a chat GPT inside of Slack so you can just invoke all of those things right there in Slack for responses and drafting things and all that good stuff. So thank you for sharing that. I also noticed that the new version and I haven't messed with this, the new version of Jetpack for WordPress includes some kind of AI generator block, which is interesting because WordPress would be a place that you would perhaps publish things that you had AI help you generate and then you edited. So I need to dig into that too, but that's interesting. So it's the Jetpack AI Assistant is now in Jetpack. Jetpack's a plugin that's put out by the folks at Automatic, which is the company that makes WordPress and it adds a lot of features to WordPress. It is a free to use plug-in and it's kind of a freemium model. There are certain features that require you to pay for a subscription or something, but we've used it at Mac Observer forever and I don't think we ever had need to pay for a Jetpack Pro subscription there. So just bear that in mind, yeah. Just a quick positive reinforcement, positive feedback. It is, in fact, after checking that downloading all my previous messages. Hey, all right, good. Yeah, in fact, it's done, wow. All right, there you go. I like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where are we here? Speaking of the AI chat GPT stuff, chat GPT now includes the ability to share a link to one of your sessions. So you open up a new session, you ask it to do a thing for you and it comes up with some response. You can share the entirety of that session, but nothing else. So I will put a link in the show notes to last week's Mac Geekab, how I created the sort of the draft for the blog post that became the show notes. I've edited from there and you can compare the two and see, you know, but yeah, it's pretty interesting. I like it. So the link you share only shows the rot, nothing what you've edited. There's no way to give. Yeah, what I've edited is inside WordPress. Like I copied and pasted it from there into WordPress. I edited some things because it doesn't get things right. All I do is give it the agenda that we followed and say right a blog post comes up and says, you know, it might, it might say for this one that, you know, Rawl605 asked about chat GPT shared links. It's like, no, he actually told us about it, but it doesn't like there's no, there's nothing in the agenda that indicates whether whether he asked or told, yeah. So it's tried, it's got to figure it out contextually. But what I will say the first time I did this where I pasted it in, it somehow knew that CSF meant cool stuff found and it knew that QT meant quick tips. Now, I realized that's not a huge leap, but it was a hundred percent right the first time. So I have to presume that it went and looked at its archive of scraped MGG episodes from the last 18 years. And, and you know, Somehow was able to link that abbreviation to the words. Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, I have, I have one last one. I think we kind of talked about this in the last episode, but I wanted to make sure we really got there. It is also on Kickstarter, but I have confidence that it will succeed simply because it comes from the folks at Rolling Square who make all kinds of great little accessories. It is called Aircard. This is the sort of credit card sized Apple find my tracker that you can put in your wallet. It's 2.2 millimeters thin. It's got two and a half years of battery life. It's got 105 decibel alarm in it. They call it a digital business card. You can get one or you can pledge 27 pounds. So, you know, about 30 bucks, US, I guess it's gonna be right in there. To get one of these things and they've got some, there are some of those left at that price and then of course at higher prices too. But yeah, if you are looking for something to fit in your wallet or your bag or wherever you need a thing, this might be the thing for you. So I wanted to make sure we mentioned that before we, before we moved on, because Pete, as with all good things, this episode must now come to an end. However, I do wanna say something because while this episode is being released on June 12th, which is a Monday, this is the final episode that will be released before June 13th. I get that that's sort of self-evident by linear time and the calendar and all of that stuff. June 13th, June 13th, 2023. Mark's the 18th anniversary of this show. So we will be entering our 19th year. Our show will now be old enough to vote. Yeah. Old enough to vote. Yeah, so. But not drink. Well, not here in the United States. Yeah. That's right. Thankfully, we are a global concern here. So we're covered. It's everything's fine. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so happy anniversary to us. Yeah, this is awesome. This is awesome. It's crazy. It's so much fun to be part of such a great thing that you guys have built over the years. I couldn't agree more. Yep, yep, it's awesome. So thanks to all of you for 18 years. That's really the key because, you know, this, I enjoy the heck out of doing this, but I wouldn't keep doing it if there wasn't our community and all of us doing this together. So yeah. We're just doing the gab. People that are the community are providing the inputs, the tech support, the questions, the solutions that, you know. We try to present some of our own solutions, but it's not just us. It's like, it's, you know, we all are in this together every now and then we give the shoulder shrug and they're like, hey, you idiots, just do that. Oh. Oh, yeah. I like those are my favorite moments. I was having a conversation with somebody the other day and we were in a, you know, a bit of a, I wouldn't say heated, but animated, you know, thing where it was, it was like, no, I think you're wrong about that. And I stopped him and I said, okay, wait, wait. Like I am not emotionally attached to my current thought on this. It was some tech issue or something. I was like, I'm emotionally attached to getting the right answer. I'm like, so let's dig in. Cause if, if, if I'm wrong and you're right, I want to know what you know. Like that needs to be my new normal here. And it was like, and that's just true with all of this. I, we just want to learn. We all want to, and that's the beauty of our community here. We all just want to learn. So yeah, it's good. But what if the right answer is the way we've always done it? Sometimes that, sometimes that happens, Pete. It's, it's. I'm just, I might be given a reference to another show. It's worth asking the question. There you go. Yes, but you're right. Yeah. On business brain, Shannon and I last week talked about how one of the things that at work, we talked about five things that are bad to say at work. I think it was five. And one of them was, but that's the way we've always done it. It was six Pete, Pete reminds me. But that's the way we've always done it. That's not a good excuse. That may be true, but that's the way we've always done it. But it doesn't mean it's the best way to continue doing it. But sometimes it is like change for change sake. Not always, yeah. Change for change sake is bad. Yeah, but it's something us nerds love. Like when we see new shiny, it's like, oh, I'm going to change to that. And then we hate Ventura. And I, I dislike Ventura. I don't hate it. I'm trying to remove that. I'm trying to be very particular about when I use that word. No, no. Like that word is a powerful word. So I don't, I dislike many parts of Ventura. I run it on most of my computers though. So there you go. Just because it's too hard to go back. Yeah, cause I like the features, Pete. It's like, yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, you managed to get the one to go back, but that was like work. Oh, that was not good, dude. Yeah, that was like real work. That was, yeah, do as I say, not as I do. Like I, I did, as I talked about, I rolled this one back. And then I nuked and paved it because it was not good. I don't think I ever got mail to be happy. And, and there were a couple of things that were just, it was all Apple apps had problems. Every third-party app was totally fine. And it wasn't all Apple apps, but any of the apps that had problems were Apple apps, which makes sense. Cause they, you know, upgrade with the OS whereas, you know, third-party apps are like, yeah, well, we have to sort of be OS independent to a degree. Otherwise, you know, we're out. So, all right. That's what we got. So yeah, we got Business Brain. I do GigGab as well. And then Pete does his aviation podcast. So there I was. We'll put links to those in the show notes for you to enjoy. Get yourself some Mac GeekGab merch like Pete's wearing there at macgeekgab.com slash merch. And follow us on Mastodon. I'll put the links in the show notes. We're having some great conversations over there. One of the things I love about Mastodon is there's no algorithm deciding what order to show me things. I just get them in timeline order and I had forgotten how much I liked that. Like it's really great. Ah, well, Pete, we made it through another one here. Folks. It's quite of our best efforts. That's right. Hey, do me a favor, folks. Have a good week. Don't do anything we wouldn't do. And most of all, don't get caught. Thanks for 18 years. He's 18 more. Woo. Later. All right. Cool. We're out. Fun. How's it going? 18 more. I'll be almost 80. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we'll actually do 18 more. We'll see. Who knows? I mean, who knows? Mac GeekGab. Yeah, at what point do we have to start? I don't want to answer to that question because it might be a date in the past. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't want an answer to that. Yeah. Fun. That was good. That was so good. Yeah. Yeah, a lot. I've noticed high content. It seems to me. In fact, I'm curious what you folks who are listening think about this. It seems to me like this episode and even 985 with the recap one, that's sort of off the rails. But it seems to me like higher content density the last couple of weeks. What I notice is that we get to where I think we're finished with the agenda, just my natural sense of that. And I look at the timer and we're at like 45 minutes. And it's like, oh, whoa. OK, we got another 30 minutes to go. But my question, and I wanted to wait until we got through this episode to pose this question, is when we get to that point at the 45 minute mark, do we have 30 minutes to go? Or do we only have five? Does it make sense to sort of shorten the length of the episode? Because we're hitting a lot of stuff. So it's a lot to digest. I've pre-digested most of what we're going to talk about in the show, so it doesn't feel overwhelming to me. So I don't get to have that beginner's mind sense in that sense. I mean, I certainly try to have beginner's mind with a lot of things, but I'm unable to with that. So I'm just curious, for those of you in the little impromptu poll, should we stick with the hour 15, the 75 minute thing? Or should we look more at a 50, 55 minute kind of thing? My recollection was, back in the early days, shows 50 to 300. It was sometimes 50 minutes, two and a half. The goal was 45, like the target was 45 minutes. Yeah, and then it slipped over time. I mean, obviously, when there were three of us chatting, it was, it took more time to get through some of that. Yep, exactly. Yeah, yeah. But I don't think people would be upset. This is just my humble opinion. I don't think people would be upset if we hit it 50 minute, hit it and get out. And get out, that's it. Yeah, if we can be efficient about it and get it done. Yeah, I agree back to, even if we do get to 45, 50, we'll make it great back to 75, 90. This is fascinating, yeah, right, right. We can always do this. I think you can have 50 minutes and then have extended times for special. Yes, of course. Right, it would be the target, not a rule. Right, yeah, exactly. Hey, Mark M, that's really funny. You are, I remember that now. Oh, funny. Yeah, yep, I remember that. Yeah, fascinating, fascinating. Yeah, nobody knows, nobody knew what we looked like. We did one video short video episode early, early on at the very first Portable Media Expo, which was the first podcast conference, if you will. And I think it was called Portable Media Expo. It was in Ontario, California. And I brought like a little camera with us. It sounded awful. We did it sitting on a couch in a hotel room. And the way we released it was I had us, I knew that no one knew what each of us looked like. And so we did the intro to the show, however that was. And while the music was playing, that's when I had it fade in. Like maybe I just showed the logo or something. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. I just got to find it. We had the logo and then saw us kind of sitting there on the couch, like, you know, bopping our heads to the music or whatever. And then we spoke. And that's where a lot of people learned which of us was which, because they knew our voices. And the overwhelming feedback we got was that people thought I was John and John. Yeah, exactly. People were like, oh no, your voices sound like the opposite of the other guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. That's funny. Yeah, the YouTube thing, I'm glad we did it. It's something that we talked a lot about for a while. John was very much against it for a very long time. And finally, which is why we didn't do it any earlier. But then once COVID lockdowns happened, it was like, okay, wait a minute. People don't have anywhere to go or as many places to go anymore. They might be sitting in their house. They might, like there's a subset of the audience that's gonna be happier having something to look at while we do the show. Even if it's just watching my blurry ceiling fan. Yeah, exactly. Even if it's just, you know, I call, what I call this is the voyeuristic experience of watching people record an audio podcast. And for the most part, that's what this is. Certainly we put stuff on the screen, but mostly it's what do we have on the screen for ourselves to see. And because this is a voyeuristic experience of people recording an audio podcast, you now get to see it too. But it's very much that. So you thought the exact same thing, Mark. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the first experience I had with someone recognizing us by our voices was at that same first portable media expo we were walking down a hallway there and chit-chatting, you know, like we would. And this guy behind us, you know, several paces, you know, five or six paces sort of called out and he's like, hey, is that Dave and John from Mac Geekab? And we turned around and we're like, yeah. And that's the first time I met Slough who is a podcaster and music producer and he also is someone without sight. And it was just fascinating. And I was like, oh, look at that. I was recognized by someone that will never know what I look like. And yeah, yeah, really interesting. That Slough's a great guy, he lives in New York. It's fascinating. Watching Slough navigate Manhattan will make you feel inadequate because here's this guy with no ability to see and he like gets around on the subway. Like he just, it's like he owns the city. It's freaking amazing. I am shocked at the incredible adaptation that folks who are blind or very limited sight manage to make the world fit to them. It is, you know, and Alison does a nice job with her show, making sure all the, what's it called, the adaptive? The assistive. Accessibility. Accessibility, we'll get there eventually. And yeah, there's so much. Obviously Apple does a great job making the accessible parts of their tech. Useful to folks, but opens up a whole new world that would have otherwise been limited. Yes, yes, absolutely. Yeah, one other thing, Slough's we're live. I'll bring it up here. Still, I was noticing as I was looking through the discord. So I'm still trying to get my head around how some of the discord works. Some of it makes perfect sense. And other times it does things. I go, why is it doing that? Yep. What I noticed it has the feature stages. Yes. Maybe at some future point, we consider a question segment. There was, yeah, there was, I think it was Rod in the chat and I earlier this week in a different thread, we're talking about stages. I guess Leo for Twit used one during the Apple keynote where he essentially restreamed the Apple keynote live. And would occasionally offer his own commentary and then would bring people in from, you know, on stage, if you will, to chat with him about it. And it was an interesting use of it. And then, of course, once the keynote was over, then they had an actual discussion, you know, I mean, because otherwise you want to watch what Apple's saying. So it's like watching Monday Night Football with Peyton and Eli, huh? Oh my gosh. Have you looked at it yet? Uh-huh. It's tear. I can't do it. Some days it's great and some days it's terrible. It's just tear. It depends who they have on. It depends who they have on. Yeah, they have Barkley on. He was a scream. OK. And you didn't care that you weren't watching. Right. You need to accept it. Yeah, it's like Mystery Science Theatre for football is essentially what it called. Bingo. That's a great description. So it's like, if you don't care about the game and you simply want to be entertained and those guys are entertaining to you, then perfect. Yeah. Oh, I get it. And every now and then they put in some analysis that like, oh, he's watching this in the backfield. You're like, oh, OK. Well, that's the that's the part that I found frustrating is you've got these two guys who are, you know, played at the top of the the game. Literally, they have Super Bowl rings. Correct. And and they're brothers, right? So they have a rapport that goes deeper than than most people would have and they see things in the game that that most of us know what else sees. Right. And so not here. Like when they get far off on their tangents, it's like, no, guys, I actually kind of wanted to hear what like I wanted to hear you announce the game. What do you think about that defensive coverage at their show? Right. Like that makes it interesting to me. I and I feel the same way. I know a lot of people dislike Tony Romo as an announcer. He is absolutely currently my favorite announcer because of that. He will say, oh, well, here's what's happening here. And it's like, dude, you glanced at the screen at the field for half a second and you knew everything. And then you watch it unfold like he was the one to call the play as he said it would. Yeah. Yeah. So my statement to that is if he could only read defenses like that when he was playing the game. Yes, you're right. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But but I love and look, Mark, I'm in the chat is saying you can get that insight from Tony Romo without the other junk. And it's exactly the case. I didn't realize you said that. Great minds. But yeah, he I love watching games that he calls, even if I don't care about the teams, because it's just fascinating. It's, you know, it's it's it's it's watching someone who is an expert nerd out about the thing they are an expert of. And that's one of my favorite things to do when, you know, I've always said when when interviewing somebody for a job, I I love to take them out to eat and watch how they interact with wait staff, right, because there's a segment of the population that believes you don't need to say please and thank you to wait staff because they're just doing their jobs. And I I I do not like to alienate anyone, but I will tell you if you are part of that portion of the the the population, you are incorrect. It might be a good idea to choose to learn something about this. I also can tell you definitively, I will not hire you if you act that way. And also, if I did not pick up on that during the hiring process and I see it happen enough in a pattern, I will fire you for doing that despite being good at your job. And these things have happened. But during covid, I could not do that. And, you know, we were hiring remotely in this that and the other. So one thing we stumbled onto, which I will now use, whether I'm doing it in person or remotely is, you know, we we asked people, tell me something that we're like, we're nerds here, we're geeks. I think all of us humans are geeks about something. Tell what are you a geek about? And then I shut my mouth and let them talk. And if they can only go two minutes, it's not going to work out. Like I don't need to be interested in the subject that you're a nerd about. That's it doesn't matter. I want to see if you can get like excited and engaged and talk about this thing. And if you can't, like we're nerds here, that's not going to work. So, like, you know, this is not a this is not a negative on your personality. It's just a bad fit, you know, but but yeah, nerd it out. So that's how Mike Rowe got hired at QVC. That was his start in media. He had he had they said, here's a number two. Peds sell it to me. He said he talked for better than five minutes. About how it's great, how it could write a great novel. How it could. Yep. Yeah. On and on. On and on. The guys are like, OK, that's enough. You're great. You're hired. You're good. Just please stop. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And I will tell you those interviews that we did where we had people do that and we didn't do that in the first interviews because it, you know, it would simply take too long. But we did it in like with the final four or five people for a position. And those are some of my favorite conversations I ever had, you know, and some of those went on for like an hour, which was great. Like, you know, it's like, OK, like now I'll be back. Now we can hang at the water cooler. You know, like this is important. If you're going to work on a team with people, you've got to be able to hang. So. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess it's time to publish the show now. Now I got to do the work. Yeah. All right. Thanks for. Oh, thanks for hanging out with us, folks. This is good. It's great the way it is. Martin Brooks says, OK, all right, I will, you know, I have, of course, I realize full and well that I asked the question, would you like a shorter show during the post show of a 75 minute episode? So anyone who would like a shorter show so much that they won't watch this long, it's not here to answer. They've already left. They've already left. You don't get to vote. You know, right. So the first time I asked this years ago, I did it like in the outro of the episode and everybody that answers like, no, keep at the link that it is. And I was like, wait a minute, I'm not a professional survey taker. I did that wrong. Put a poll up on Twitter. I will, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, or put a poll in Discord, too. Like, you know, yeah, yeah. I don't know how to do that. I know how to do one on Twitter. I don't know how to do it in Discord. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not scared like that. I'll screw it up a couple of times and then it'll be good. Yeah. Yep. I know that my son has been trying to mess with Discord bots and make them work. Yeah. We wanted to do one for my show and yeah, yeah. I don't know, buddy. Yeah. At least he's interested. So that's good. That's good. Yeah. All right. Thanks for hanging out with us, folks. This was fun. I'm going to turn off the audio streams first as I usually do. So thanks to all of you on the audio later. And now when it comes time for the video. So long, everyone. Later. See you next week.