 George Bruna with a 21 report. We're at the 21 convention patriarch edition, and I'm talking with Elliot Hulse. Welcome, Elliot Thanks, George. All right. How'd it go today on stage? Really well. What was your topic? Defending marriage in a degenerate age It certainly is degenerate, isn't it? Yeah, I'd say. What are the enemies of marriage today? Well, you know, I went through a list of about 10 and I began with one that I learned here in the Manosphere from Rolo Tomasi and he refers to the the female primary Social order something of that effect Hypergamy unchecked hypergamy. It's one big part of it, but then it also goes so much deeper I think that's like the biological component. Yeah, but when you look at Consumerism, yeah, and the focus outside of the family and more on how much can we get and how much can we buy and how much Can we consume as opposed to how much time and energy and effort can be Given to the family for its own nourishment. Yeah, soul's nourishment the state with easy divorce feminism with their Objective to destroy the family. I gave a really good quote written by Dumbbar I forget the first name but so I went through a list of myriad of different ways that there's this onslaught Against marriage in our culture. How do you fortify a marriage with all this stuff being against it? well that was what my talk was about and One of the one of the things that I offered as far as fortification is concerned I think it's important for men to Take the position of leadership in their home And I spoke about where we get our authority and that it's important for us to draw down divine authority by having some faith That your woman is not going to trust you just on your own authority Many of us have strained or strange relationships with our fathers But there's always the archetype pattern of the father and Whether it's right or wrong. It's your level of conviction that the The path laid in front of you for how to be a man and how to lead your family The faith in that gives you the strength to stand on that gives her the the trust In your ability to lead so it's like we can't have we it's very Difficult for us to rest on our own authority because I say so right and so a part of my talk was just to at least Consider I know we've got guys of different religions and you know some are religious or not But at least to consider it as a as a red pill mechanism for how to Raise your family right now. You're a father for mm-hmm, and you've been married for a while mm-hmm, and You go way back with your wife mm-hmm, right? Yeah, how long we started dating when we were 14 years old That's amazing. Yeah, and we got married at age 23 And we have four children. So a part of my a part of my talk was the benefit of Limiting sexual partners and not being promiscuous You know men and women Of course, I have to be an advocate for Dating and marrying or marrying early, you know, I did it and it worked Yeah, and I laid out all the reasons why it worked and yeah, so That's pretty awesome. I think Because there's so many waves coming against marriage and society is pretty wacky. I was talking to the guys earlier You know, I'll talk to a young man and say So do you want to have children? He'll say well, I wouldn't want to bring children into this crazy world And I'm thinking that's kind of like Waving the white flag of surrender mm-hmm and just giving up before you even start and that's like saying I wouldn't want to give Medicine to this dying patient When we bring children into the world who can reflect the divine splendor children who were good children Yeah, we're offering medicine. We're injecting medicine into a degenerate culture. Yeah And they're focusing more on the Degeneracy in the world rather than the own the power in their own parenting mm-hmm Like I would want to bring children in this world specifically children are an antidote to the degenerate society, right? Absolutely. Yeah, and I think that's focusing on despair and I think a lot of guys in the quote-unquote man is fear succumb to despair and negativity and darkness and Our message is be fruitful and multiply. Yeah There's no better way to to create a legacy your kids will outlive you mm-hmm hopefully and Your seed goes on mm-hmm Yeah, and I think there's no better way than to be fruitful and multiply to perpetuate cultural values and norms we're living in a country where white people the people who built this country are having less children and Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are having a hell of a lot of kids Yeah, and you know that's not to say that Good or bad But if we want to preserve American culture Western culture Then the people who created it should be having more children. Absolutely. Otherwise they're gonna be out popularized pretty soon Yeah, outnumbered. Yeah, I had heard at one point In 20 years Italy won't even be Italian anymore because of the influx of non-Italians in Italy, right? Can you imagine Italy won't be Italian? Yeah, how weird like that's just an odd Concept it is I find that Bringing children into the world Gives the world hope. Yeah, and there's never a right time to have kids. Was there ever Was society ever perfect for child rearing? I mean every every era has its challenges Every era has its wars So for someone to say in despair, I don't want to bring a child into this world. That's almost They they just gave up too early Yeah weak It is weak. Mm-hmm It is weak. Mm-hmm And I'm finding a lot of young people are saying that. Yeah Weak, what do you think contributes to that despair? Why do they have that? There are all kinds of myths that Attend that also. Yeah, you know like this whole idea that the world is gonna melt because of climate change Yeah, I think that's one of the lies that White people have been more apt to just accept. Yeah that we should stop having children because the earth is going to melt Yeah, and I tend to think that that that there's a there's a social agenda behind that Science has shown us that it that's not true Not only that is it not to say that it's not true that the warm the earth is getting warmer But the earth is supposed to be getting warmer. We go through these cycles. It's normal and natural Don't stop having children because the earth is getting warmer right just acknowledge it. Yeah, and so Where am I going with that my point is I don't remember well I could I can see doing things like like not littering because you want to leave a nice clean earth I can see not like wasting natural resources. That's cool, but lumping Not having children into that same category To me is going a little bit too far. Mm-hmm. I think so and I think it's alarmist in nature Mm-hmm. Yeah, so that's one of right so back to your question You know, why are people feeling this despair because they're swallowing the media bullshit. Yeah, yeah Where does hope exist in this world of degeneracy? How do you give hope to young people I know you spoke on marriage to have to give hope You've got to be inspired and I love that word inspired because it comes the word spirit Spiro to inspire to take in the spirit. There must be something that you've drawn in or has Infused itself into you that gives you this a courage and a sense of Meaning for the future That I think can only come from religion and our and a religious Imagination more so than religion itself. Yeah, but the religious Imagination that gives us this sense that things are can get better Think we can evolve we can grow in virtue. Yeah And so when we have that no matter how dark it gets in the in the mass of the world There will always be small pockets of light. Yeah, if we can carry those that light even in the in the thickest of darkness that Others candles will be lit. Yeah You have an influence you're on YouTube With quite a following. What kind of message do you give your followers? Well, it's as and always will be This become the strongest version of yourself, you know, I started as a strength coach But strength went beyond just the body. Yeah So to be the strongest version of yourself and to empower one another and that's about being that the brightest candle You can yeah and being sure that your flame is catching other candles as well I've watched you on shows like the red man group and Wow, what a what in addition to that group of men the perspective that you bring Changes the flavor of the red man group to it kind of strengthens it. I think it's It's not It's not all about picking up women. It's not all about the single life and Going wide it's about going deep and I think you bring a depth To that conversation. That's what I noticed. That was the one of the first things that I noticed. Yeah, thank you Yeah, absolutely. How do you like the convention so far? I love it I and I love what it stands for more than anything what it means. Yes, it's a it's a sign of the times It's needed isn't it mm-hmm It is Who have you connected with here that you feel that you will stay connected with in the future? Oh Well, I really enjoyed both this the talks and then individual conversations with Steve the Dean Williams Steve Yeah, you know, what's interesting about Steve he talked about legacy And actually he and Tanner both said something and I interviewed Tanner this morning and Steve yesterday and Tanner would would say to his kids You're a guzzie Tanner guzzie would say you're a guzzie act like it Steve Williams would say you are a Williams Like when he finds his children acting weak you are a Williams Be worthy of that name. Yeah, I like powerful Yeah, I resonate with both of their messages Tanner was Was also right up there, you know between the two of them and their talks Resonated deeply with both of what they offered and then had a wonderful opportunity to speak with them yesterday at dinner What does it mean to be a hulse? To be strong. That's the first thing that comes to mind and comes to heart Hulse is about courage. It's about strength. It's about Determination and forward momentum. Yeah, and Stall wartness steadfastness, you know, it's very vigorous I've noticed three or four times during this talk already you've taken deep breaths To empower yourself. It's like breathing charges you up Mm-hmm, some people one of the biggest things that I notice the people's that they breathe very shallow Mm-hmm, you and air are good friends. You and oxygen seem to be good friends. I'm a fire sign Oxygen and fire oxygen I noticed that I noticed that and For the few moments that I saw you on stage There's periods of so you're not just talking to talk You have periods of silence And I watch you look at the crowd and Think and make eye contact with people and I was standing in the back and as you were walking back and forth on the stage I watched the heads Watching you it was really interesting Very inspiring just watching the crowd respond to you What do you think is the biggest message that the audience left with today? Well What I was hoping was to instill a sense of Dignity in the marriage archetype. Yeah, that there's something strong and masculine and devout. Yeah to to the marriage Commitment, you know, because I think it's really been bastardized Yes and taken advantage of and has lost so much of its splendor Yeah in our culture and so what I was hoping is to show them how red pill it is Yeah, to be married and to be a to be a father I know our Congress our whole conference is about patriarchy. Yeah, and to bring back and to Strengthen a patriarchy We've got to become fathers and to be a father You've got to be a husband to be a husband. You've got to Lead women. Yeah, be strong for women. Yeah, draw down the divine authority and lead your home. And so in between just Giving marriage some dignity again and also with this sense of openness to God and religion as an authority that you can Rest on and bring into your home as a as a foundation for your own strength faith really that maybe I open some Questioning, you know and exploring Marriage and family is not for weaklings. No mm-hmm The first thing that I thought of was I mean you see all these hats With similar phrases make this great again, you know all but you know And I'm thinking make men strong again. Yes Make men strong again, and I think that's what you're doing. Yes. I noticed that when I When attendees stand around you like everyone has their Little moments with the speakers in the social areas after the speeches In the evenings and stuff like that When people are around you they stand taller is that right? Yeah, yeah, their posture is better. Yeah And they tend to mirror you And you are making men strong again. I observed it And I need to tell you that thank you. It's very very obvious. It's noticeable Elliot Hulse find him on YouTube. Thank you. Thank you George