 any of them yet well we we got to do that having friends video that's gonna be good oh yeah this is the thing the ones i've got are like old and he's got like a hundred new ones well he uploads like six times a day so yes i am live now i can tell you my phone went off in the background like oh yeah he's live my phone beeped probably let my discord know but you know who really cares who really cares who gives a shit about them hello there everyone why today i mean it's literally just based around why not today when people are free okay when people are free you get in there and you and you stream stuff the thing that's on screen right now isn't what we're doing at all let's get the correct one up at least yeah how dare you ask us why we're doing it today you should be thankful that we're doing it at all i think i kind of who made that at the argument that it's like we should be thankful that the films exist at all uh probably every single one of them for all the people we've come in there you should look i'm axing you are you thankful that we have the fuck what did he call it disney fanatical universe disney fanatical star wars universe aren't you thankful like that was a response whenever there was a any kind of flaw it's like but it's disney's like oh if disney hasn't made like a hundred terrible movies disney have their own universe where darth wade is going to fight iron man eventually oh god oh oh no apparently nike's lost four billion dollars because of this capernick thing what's what's the capernick thing yeah so nike like made an ad with colin capernick and it and people got mad and they started lighting their shoes on fire what in the shoes on fire were they wearing it because it's like oh it's got nike logo i mean i wish i had enough like money and time to give a shit to light my own clothes on fire because shoes are expensive as hell yeah it's not just because like some random person wears shoes whatever like they go nuts or what what's the deal like i don't know anything about it like do they hate him so capernick was one of the guys who wouldn't stand for the pledge of allegiance at football games he's a professional nfl player well he was he didn't he had well we got we got put quotation marks around professional because he wasn't yeah i mean he was on he was on the bench he got paid because but he made this big thing about it but he wouldn't he basically he wouldn't stand for the pledge of allegiance and stuff like that and a lot of people didn't like that obviously and he had he basically didn't play for like two years nobody wanted to hire him because it was so contentious uh there was a time when he was the most disliked player in the nfl and nike says you know what we're gonna make him the face of our marketing campaign and so what they did was they got his um they got his face and they put it over a it basically it's a close-up of his face and it has the phrase um basically stand for something even if you have to sacrifice everything and this guy's like a multi-million dollar guy who was paid god knows how many digits to basically sit on a bench for years and everyone hated him and he's like yeah this will this will be so how have they lost money like is in people to stop buying this stuff significantly is it or well they their stocks have dropped oh it's not really so much that it's like okay everyone stopped buying four billion dollars worth of apparel in a day so that the stocks have dropped well i still think lighting your clothes on fire is kind of retarded you could just like donate it to somewhere else or hell you know let's just light our shoes on fire guys tear the labels off his spray paint them and just be like no these are uh these are these are doobies which are just like this other thing yeah but it's just sad because they don't care about like you know the fact that it's made by sweatshop workers but because of one particular person it's like sponsored by them that's like you know offensive enough to like burn them she gets so deep then what's up because you smoke it no no no no sorry no oh rags someone in the chat says your mic is low i've got him on max so i think you did you put it on 90 last time was that where we maxed out for you let me do that but uh see how that works yeah it's difficult for me to nail the volume with this selection of sources hopefully i just get it good enough is is the aim her people ever gonna talk about stops about tlj is like no not this decade i hate the argument that that means it's a genius film i was like no that's not how it works yeah i've seen that i've seen that in the comment section in um the video about the watch it's it's yeah no imagine thinking this movie is genius like like how dumb do you have to be because i like you're not intelligent obviously wow you're like you're like the mean one out of all of it it's like it's just it's the literal argument though that because it's so divisive that it's genius because of that it's like no what i was gonna say there's gotta be imagine like this films are still talked about today that are both incredible and terrible that's like how you get talked about infamous and famous isn't it that's the whole logic so like which one is it and it's like well if you ask me yeah perhaps if you ask everyone else who makes videos like this love a different idea but yeah everyone ready to um get blasted with we're gonna get hit with so many logic bombs that we're gonna actually reassess how much we enjoy the film that's what twenty minutes oh my god we're yeah this video has convinced a lot of people apparently that it's it's brought them into the flock you know with uh oh this is that defies expectations of video got it yeah yeah for a primer this is from what's his name something macintosh i never remember the first name john john john macintosh i should remember that john so we get some frequency writer the person behind the trope yeah yeah yeah video games yeah he is uh footstool yeah so we get to look at his extremely punchable phase for the next 20 minutes oh yeah yeah you think what you're saying earlier i don't think that these kind of things convince people i just think that people who are determined to like this movie coagulate around this stuff and they kind of they want to use it as a club right i mean i when i say like people like you know it's like one or two comments that stuck out obviously and like those people could be sincere but yeah i don't know um but you know a lot of uh you know well it's quite positive all the comment section was so far i don't think anyone like is really like negatives latched on to it i guess well the only people who watch john really to watch johnathan macintosh in the first place is like well it already already takes a certain person who's willing to go with the you know oh okay yeah it's sexism there you go easy i mean it it says a lot when even fucking anita got rid of him so yeah he's doing better than she is but again like i see his channel is just it's another version of uh you know the whole like say something incredibly interesting with the title and have a nice thumbnail and then probably just he's gonna change what happened in the film that's probably what's gonna happen i'll be like us well i won't explain it but yeah like well maybe maybe he'll tell us that ray was the one that killed han solo oh no no no there's there's some really ass and i'm shitting it i promise i won't say really even more than that no no no no it's actually hilarious shitting it i'm not just like misinterpreting what happened on screen just like his uh his uh conclusions you know and yeah well let's watch it i'm getting excited though i was gonna say um it's worth clarifying it's worth clarifying because i've implied before possibly by accident that heligrito loves the last Jedi when i i i may have misunderstood that he simply likes it and that he uh he has some issues with it but he quite likes sort of you know like it's the typical thing where it's like we we hate what they did with luke he likes what they did with luke we hate what we did blah i think he's a little bit easier on that on the topic than people like just write up but um it doesn't change the fact that his marysu video is awful i guess because we still we still check that out it's pretty bad and it doesn't change the fact that i've seen a couple videos from grito where he was like passively aggressively defending the last jedi like he did in the marysu video i'd have to i need to go see his last jedi video again because i can't remember how passionate he was in defense of it but uh yeah he's definitely he's got a lot of he makes a lot of comments that come from a bitter place that always comes across to me that's definitely my opinion he he really strikes me like he doesn't want to anger he's kind of like boogie but like even more irritating where he doesn't want to anger either side of his audience so he's gonna take the most mundane route possible to say i like the movie but i'm not gonna outright say it because then i'll be you know called an idiot for it rightfully well i mean we'll always be open to have a discussion with him not that there's any point in me saying that because there's any chance that he's ever going to have a conversation with us but yes the the invites open anyway uh you guys ready you're good okay good yeah let's watch him good old johnny maybe i should actually bring up the watch together how the left side of oh shit yeah well yeah you all you already did the watch together because i was listening to it but i was like looking at the youtube page and i was like oh where's along with coming from uh so i said how long will the stream last like there is never a tomorrow 3am just say yes that's the answer to that one the last jedi is a movie oh my god i hate his voice oh my god all right jesus christ the last jedi is that is that is all they all they pitch but hey yeah just say let him let him argue gosh you don't have a chance he will embarrass himself let him do it don't we don't have to do it it's just it's a casual it's not an argument it's just a casual observation about about you know it's a subvert audience expectation oh my god i can't take him seriously oh stop it i can't it's like a zoom call okay we're not gonna get anywhere if you can do this it's fine i can do this i mean it's not my fault that his voice is like the absolute worst thing in existence look it's fine we only got 20 and a half more minutes that's fine nowhere is this more evident than in the way the film handles it's three is a hey remember how luke casually throws away his father's lightsaber people always reference the fact that he threw it in the uh throne room they like see he's thrown lightsabers before i was like he that was his lightsaber there's no there's plenty of context to go through all that one tone wise is my biggest argument how yeah i assumed ryan johnson was going for a joke i really liked um when red la media uh recanted the cinema experience of that one i think it was mike he said something like um when he threw the lightsaber the audience was silent what guy went yeah that's basically how it was in my theater too like there was a couple little like giggle laughs but most of us were like oh what that's his father's that's his father's lightsaber and then that lightsaber's been through so much shit and there's so much history behind it and he's like there is nothing to be evident then in the way the he didn't want it because they didn't bring that hand back to x-wing pilot po dameron renegade storm trooper finn and legendary thanks for renegade thanks for reminding us that he is supposed to be a storm trooper by the way i was going to say we wouldn't know it from the films thank thank you for that i just yeah somebody said he's an extracurator luke skywalker initially all three characters seem like they should fit neatly into familiar archetypes for men in action adventure films oh i see where this man in action adventure films okay um yeah men in action let's let's see where he's let's see you can't do that the desoldered wolf uses ad-hobbit of attacks to feel legitimize i can do ai you oh you cock in po we expect the hot shot fighter pilot who's celebrated in the pedestal law hang on man why are you referencing a good movie in relation you could reference your law he could reference the force awakens we expected po to act like po like how crazy is that reference characters characters expect audiences expected a character to behave as they have been established to behave like isn't that insane and cleverly subverts your expectation by transforming the character off-screen into a completely different individual he's dab right he's damn right i expected a hot shot pilot from po that was what i expected i'm stunned by the fact that he's trying to compare will smith like one of the most charismatic actors in existence to fucking fin no i think it's po he's going for yeah he's going with po oh he's going to put what what because it's a hot shot pilot he's all about the race this time see if you were so busy insulting him you'd be able to listen to these incredible arguments well if you're you're you're a bad man get a clip from top gun then that's more applicable in fin we expect the noble defector what you went with avatar wow everyone he's going for everyone wait oh no here we go why i should have made i should have paused it and said make you guys guess who it would be not gandalf why gandalf that's not the same as luke at all i wouldn't even say gandalf and obi one are the same i wouldn't say gandalf and any character maybe quigon maybe all right like like a worse version of gandalf would you say well yeah at least we got gandalf for three movies well six nine technically but fucking hell three is genuinely now was he actually saying that we were kind of expecting gandalf in luke like really yeah these are the arch these are the archetypes are are we gonna get a bill bull vagans well he's lovely little generalizations and then you know they can just well this is how they i'm confused because he's treating these films as if they're like the base scripture of you know like most films evolved from avatar and lord of the rigs i don't i don't see that really but fucking i just realized avatar lord of the rings and independence day what a set of three films to select you know mate mate he's taking them two months to release this he picked like the most overrated film in existence one of the best films in existence and one of the most okay this is fun film in existence that's why it's a fun selection it's one but it's like oh god once more or twice i can't remember make a gremlin reference please reference the gremlins in regards to rose you're not helping wise warrior who wields tremendous power in the name of fighting why are you referencing him looking at the eagle's skin coming as a reference to gandalf's power bad visual should have done it when he was against the balrog that would be way better oh yeah when he holds up his staff and he's fucking epic this is where gandalf gets saved i would argue that that's a bit inappropriate but you know that's a nitpick that's a nitpick right there the male archetype saved by giant flying eagles but in each case the last jedi doesn't deliver on those expectations at least doesn't deliver much of anything it's not immediately you know what no he's he's right they don't turn luke into gandalf they don't turn thinking to the edge be like why does this how is that relevant though just curious to anything instead director ryan johnson throws fans a series of curve balls over the course of the first act finn reveals his self-centered and defeatist attitudes you know self-centered he's trying to save way he's trying to save yeah he's trying to save way mentions this he mentions this yeah and yeah and funnily enough ryan johnson agrees with macintosh because if you remember rose teacup calls him a coward after he says i'm trying to save ray is known why is jonathan macintosh retarded did he watch a different movie than the rest of it well i mean it only took a minute and 20 but i said they're gonna have to revise the film they're gonna have to change what happens in the film in order to make their thesis you know commit because he's already fucked up this wasn't a selfish goal he was trying to get away so that when she comes back she wouldn't come to the fleet getting destroyed perfectly jonathan macintosh we're talking about he fucked up a long time ago po proves that he's reckless and arrogant no he doesn't i i'll give him arrogant but not reckless i give myself that i'm arrogant right like that it doesn't necessarily mean that uh you're like some kind of villain and it turns out he was right i hate how people that defend this movie like tried to actually paint po is the villain when it's like oh my god he's just i don't know i don't know where this idea that he did anything wrong comes from yeah he did everything right and everyone did nothing wrong post like hitler he did nothing i just i i've never understood it because i was always on board with po throughout the whole film but i thought that the film was telling me the holder was the villain and i was like i'm on board with this pose gonna be here hold on the hero i was like wait what and luke is so consumed by paralyzing guilt that he's renowned he's using a deleted scene that's priceless that is that is oh that's you can't that doesn't that this film wasn't this this scene wasn't good enough for ryan to want to put in the film i was just saying i just love it even the people who like the film agree that this season a bit of the film it's the jedi and become a hermit and yeah his guilt by the way it's very we had to milk the sea cow i wouldn't actually specifically agree it's about guilt he makes it very clear in that scene where he's like the jedi need to end i am a jedi so i'll end and the reasoning is the jedi created uh Darth Vader and they allowed palpatine to rise there was two reasons for allowing the jedi to die again it's a complete nonsense reasoning but it is what he said he didn't say i'd do it for the guilt unexpected character twists are part of the reason why some star wars fans left the theater in a state of shock which rapidly mutated into fits of rage yes i was angry because they didn't provide me gandalf oh yeah just it's more juicy yeah it's the whole thing now to be clear we're not talking about people who just happened to dislike of course it's the toxic ones but i'll get lumped right in with them so we'll rags so we'll so we'll alex that we're all in there we're all those bastards anybody who makes their voice heard about how much they didn't like it is toxic but the people that you never ever hear about oh they're fine the fact that he just said um that you know this is including the people who disliked it i'm just like i'd be curious macintosh have you checked out what the people who disliked it said the people you consider valid like have you considered maybe they have valid perspectives on this because obviously he's going to be explaining this side of the film as if it's just law like let's be honest luke was supposed to be gandalf and they subverted in order to tell a better story about whatever and you could just be like but no they didn't question mark and she's like oh this is just my opinion that's probably what we're going with this it is after all not a perfect piece of cinema that's one way i could agree with that now the subset of mostly male super fans right male super fans betrayed and personally disrespected disrespected i guess you could put it that way yeah yeah that's what yeah carl when we watched it or when i watched the first time with you was what did i seem disrespected no you couldn't contain your laughter oh yeah i was i was frothing i was like how dare they but no they were genuinely they were people out there who felt disrespected but you know is that valid is it valid to feel disrespected by a film and it'd be like well what if they're feeling disrespected on behalf of the source material something like that personally disrespected i mean that would probably come in if the actually they got insulted by the director personally which has actually happened you know about that which ryan johnson set happens to do on debugging the internet all the time yeah disney does that all the time to disney really need to rein him in i suppose he's rain themselves in basically yeah because they they're in it too so it's captain kennedy but ryan johnson he's all over that shit the toxic fans i mean we we were able to make it only two minutes before we brought in the white males so that's a good that's a good record for him congratulations yeah movie anything else but we hasn't said white males yet right particular group are no no yeah at about the yeah no no but no but he hasn't gone on about the male and female dynamic yet he felt betrayed and personally disrespected by this movie anything else the objections from that particular group are wide-ranging the two were accompanied by a girl but they often involve an obsessive level of scrutiny when it comes to female characters no oh is that right so i don't have a problem of what they did with luke it's mainly just about the girls the way yeah he said we're obsessive when it comes to female characters which is just nonsense yeah he basically he basically wants to describe the last show i hate is those incels i mean i'll say that my biggest problem was with luke and he's a male character yeah what if he's trans dude that's offensive and within the last week we've watched terminator two aliens and those were both insanely good cannot believe rags moeller told me you never watched aliens before that i cannot believe that that's so how did you go for so long without watching that movie the same way i go so long without watching every other movie except that one was aliens in fairness rags is right but man aliens oh so good though i mean it's so good but yeah you see it now so it's all fine yeah i love it's very good anyway but it has a woman in it so i was about to say obviously we don't like it that much because female characters are very frustrating to see on screen ever just i mean characters should have been bishop just say my game of the year for 2017 was hellblade but whatever when it's right yeah i think you're just lying probably just lying like girl on the more extreme end of the spectrum hang on did you just use the what girl thing is like you know in fairness the guy said some girl helped the droid escape so he asked what girl it's not really anything to do with hating girls or anything i'm i'm implying it's cloud red i was just gonna say like if he's trying to imply that kylo is like anti-female in the film i'd be like no there's no evidence of that at all he's just anti he's anti people fan complaints have a tendency to devolve into wild conspiracy theories oh yeah about the disney corporation pushing wild conspiracy theories some of them actually have fair evidence uh what is this video exactly then yeah wouldn't this be a counter conspiracy theory like everybody's working together to try and distrust the film based on the fact that they don't like females i mean it's very pretty sure this film does kind of accomplish yeah this video and all the videos like it like patrick williams where he's like you do just stop watching all these white males i mean this kind of proves well he our point that it's all kind of being pushed by us jw's he pushed himself into his own grave with that one patrick williams definitely i'm waiting for macintosh to do it to himself as well but we got it what was it like five different times from williams where he was just like if you're white you can't really offer anything well on the on black panther anyway i would love to ask williams if um if black people can offer anything on uh what's what's a film with like no black people at all all right fine yeah black people can't offer anything on star wars episode four so don't allow them to talk about it is that fair are we we can say consistent on this one i support it let's also support it patrick williams for president day an agenda of forced diversity or feminist property what do you mean it's an agenda like we have a we have a lot of literal clips of jj abrams like this is not a conspiracy jj abrams is very open about it he says it like i know i know that people will watch this and they'll roll their eyes and like yeah they just hate women but we have there's a substantial amount of evidence and an amount of quotes and articles that we can pull from disney and we don't even we don't need to talk about its effects or why it's a bad or good thing we can literally just say no it exists you can't deny it's existed it's a thing here's them saying that it's a thing here's them pushing this female angle i mean when cathleen kennedy comes out and says the force is female and stuff like that i mean like how are we supposed to take that for that picture gets circulated quite a bit because it's uh i don't know frustrating and yeah there's clips of her saying something like um oh no one of my favorite ones is going to be in my series uh basically the there's there's a there's an audience member who's asking questions for the cast and crew and she says you know ryan johnson it's very it's great that you have diversity in the cast throughout both force awakens and the last Jedi but it's um it's pretty disappointing that you know you you have none of that in the creators all the directors and rios have been white males and then his response is just like yes it is about time we changed that i mean i there's an article i just pulled up on the front page of google when i typed in the force is female about why the last jedi proves that star wars future is female and it's like i i don't understand why you think this is some kind of a conspiracy theory i know well i know why it's just dismiss it you dismiss it off hand and then you continue with another point and then people just buy it they because i would expect that he would say force diversity is not a bad thing as opposed to it's not a part of this film whatsoever i'd be like well we know it's a part of it there's no need to deny that yanda but there is a common thread running through much of the backlash oh is there now speaks to an underlying anxiety an anxiety rooted in deep seated insecurities about masculine i completely agree i'm just i'm just so you know conflicted because i've really just want to be a chick right now and this movie makes me feel that emotion even more so i get it you know it's jonathan macintosh is hitting the nail right on the head he's hitting it so deep in the head that it's literally pierced my brain and gone down my spinal cord i'm curious how many times we're going to be able to use aliens as a counter argument in this video because we're going to be coming up soon because it's you could absolutely argue the aliens is about you know a series of big strong men getting absolutely destroyed and the innocent civilian female basically taking charge and kicking ass instead of them you know if you wanted to frame it that way you could and i'm saying that we love the film regardless so i wonder if that'll work as a counter yeah but what he's basically saying is people that didn't like it because they're insecure yeah especially white males they didn't like it because this well in fairness to him has he said white males yet he has yeah the two minute mark okay i did definitely miss that myself yeah let me briefly explain what i mean by that please do make it brief man in action adventure movies are expected this is not a good example right this is respected decisive righteous and respected iron man is not respected who else what a common action heroes in today's media i wonder we're looking right at captain america i was gonna say like he is literally a vigilante in the newest films is he saying respected by the audience right i guess i guess maybe respected i don't know because he's respected by the audience he's respected by everyone he actually has to interact with aside from in civil war but are we gonna get a black panther video about masculinity or should we throw tirion in he's not exactly respected whatsoever uh his you could argue at the end of season four he was very indecisive and it caused a lot of damage to his own family you know like what i'm gonna argue for obviously is that uh not everybody is what he just described despite being leading action men i suppose tirion doesn't count uh what about john snow he's easily a leading action man and look what happens to him uh thanks to that's a spoiler you can't say the point is that uh he's he's talking to shit right now but you know whatever and to take charge in most situations take charge in most situations this is at the very end of the movie visit the very end of the matrix you got his ass kicked before this plenty of times and he had a lot of he knows reference to the development and but yeah it's bullshit what doesn't how doesn't this apply to female leads in action related stuff again aliens i'm just gonna i'm i'm talking i'm gonna bring up aliens a lot because it'll counter him every time thank god for aliens men are why i bring that up every time i talk about that on my channel aggressively more and more powerful as the story right oh this expectation is uh james bond is like a completely his own thing it's it's like its own genre the spy like to be to be like he's a leading man who takes action it's like that's his job if he wasn't doing that he'd be bad at his job and the formula is so entrenched in mass media also in the new bonds he gets his ass kicked a lot especially casino royale he dies well actually he dies in a lot of them but um he definitely really dies in the daniel craig ones at least once yeah that's where i'm that many fans feel aggressively entitled to seeing that particular version of it would reproduced on the big screen that's what we want but as the last gen i think it quickly becomes apparent that this movie isn't interested in catering to a simple vicarious power fantasy i like how we just summed up all those other movies as simple vicarious power fantasy yeah like stars has always been a male power fantasy for everyone yeah okay i i oh okay you just need an image of the emperor shooting his lightning when he says that like me fail power fantasy luke on cloud city loads of people grew up on like to be jealous and shit like i'm playing with lightsaber and all that but i i know for well the girls want to do just as well and it wasn't the fucking thing my sister's really liked star wars uh which is insulting to me when they tell me that it's a boy's thing i'm just like i'm gonna fuck off you you can look at it like that yeah my housemaid uh she like loves that shit as well and um yeah it's such a bizarre like oh this is why people disliked it because he didn't satisfy the male power role rather slight did empire satisfy the male power role when han got frozen and sent to a big put on framed on a wall then he falls up with his goody hilarious but i let him get to it but it just without this point well without that point it doesn't make a difference right now the it's still weak and bizarre on an argument like pitch i've never even thought of it like the fact that he has to say it i'm like i can we is it possible to name name a protagonist from a movie you like whose male are not powerful male and not powerful i suppose tiryon counts for that one actually like physically powerful uh let's yeah let's say physically powerful i don't think what he just said doesn't mean that they could be mentally powerful you know there's plenty of them like i'm i've topped my it was like a rinse win from a disc world but um it doesn't matter about that it like because bro do i did did any of you like you know like watch this film and then like as soon as you finish do you like have to like do weights or something like lift with some weights like feel good about yourself again no i i don't think like i'm bald i don't give a shit about masculinity it's robbing my hair how dare it but yeah i'm just thinking like this there's plenty of characters we associate that uh that are typically considered weak is is kind of what i'm getting that um and uh yeah physically uh tiryon is is pathetic like you can't do anything specifically and that's part of his character of people saying bilbo bilbo back so someone said uh pick up from how to train your dragon and then watch that not too long ago and i totally agree real good napoleon dynamite in fairness you need action we need action to at least be involved economy well hey he did he did dance so he's got a lot of power in there yeah um and then the obvious other counter argument do i just need to say aliens does is like we need a buzzer to just say aliens and it counters his point that satisfies the female power fantasy i suppose i don't know all three male heroes are presented as vulnerable in their fallibility what why how are they not in uh the originals you know luke and han they're vulnerable emotionally in this film luke and han are absolutely fallible that's kind of the journeys yeah that's what a character's like you know i don't get the idea that these people have that we don't like vulnerable characters like i some of my favorite movies from where does that idea come from i think it's one of those self-propagated well the irony is the name raise fucking flaws name her fallibility it's like she can't and i've heard people say that race flaws that she's too nice she's too kind she cares too much basically she's perfect she's too dark lord i mean one of my favorite movies is the gray and all of the male characters are broken down to be as like the in the most emotional states they can possibly be in and it's one of the best movies i've ever seen i like the gray yeah we can keep going forever and ever and just be like oh yeah what are we talking about again how this guy is telling us we we don't like it when our males aren't super virile powerful it's like all right okay with each displaying their own set of rather significant character flaws and inadequacy yeah no poe never really has a flaw in the film he's a bit of a marysuit outside of his disagreement in the end of the fight which i never understood i would disagree with you there of course he does after saying all the fruit of his labor he just changes his mind yeah i will go over that if he covers it now flawed heroes in and of themselves aren't all that unusual in speculative fiction okay oh okay then well oh all right okay how do you reconcile this mr macintosh in fact failure and then learning to overcome that failure is just the standard recipe for structuring a basic character okay i'd argue the intense fan hate surrounding the last i just had a thought no no i'll go back a little bit so he can make his point but i was gonna say i thought that um but do you see poe's face when that door blows open what he sees is like here comes holdo and her team to essentially try and kill everyone on this ship i'm gonna have to shoot her it's like i picture that's what's going on i'm just like i'm behind you 100 man you've got to stop that piece of shit even if it means killing someone and then it's leia and you're like wait what they'd layer studs and you're like wait what i remember that you just don't happen it i made a point in my critique i was like this should be the point in the film where no one has any idea what's going on even the people who love it would be like yeah i uh i think that poe is evil hence fan hate surrounding the last jedi has a lot more to do with the fact that the male heroes in this movie are directly challenged on their failures by women oh my god that's nowhere christ i love how we had to all pause the shit out of that he says that unironically like that's actually what a that's a thing that he thinks you like the film so first of all challenge the male protagonist first of all aliens again ding ding ding uh ripply points out the floors in uh i think his name is general gorman um obviously hudson i'm not sure if she ever picks on hicks because hicks is not retarded in that film but uh she she does a job of basically kicking everybody in the ass in the marines um well aliens um breaking bad like oh i hate that show because skylo was ripped into wall oh whenever i saw a woman on screen giving him grief oh worst show ever come on i mean i found it a bit annoying outside of it being a woman i wouldn't reference usual woman if you changed holdo to a male holdo male doe you changed leia to leia dies somehow in its admiral akbar or whatever or if leia was a brother not only a woman or whatever that wouldn't change how retarded the film is yeah no it wouldn't not even a little bit yeah it wouldn't it doesn't have anything to do with their femininity at all it has nothing to do with that like i would have i just want to bring up as as edward long shanks just brought up the original film where luke and hannah both like what the fuck do we do and then leia blasts the thing open says someone's got to save our necks because or skins i think she says uh so again the female getting the males in order because they have no idea what's going on is that was that offensive in that film to us did we have trouble with that it's just it's it's something he's pulling out of his ass it's baseless yeah he builds up this narrative and that's what his audience likes i guess i don't know this is not something that's supposed to happen to space cowboys or space wizards in hall this isn't supposed to happen to space wizards who the hell wrote the space wizards are there who wrote the book on what happens to space space wizards are meant to have a harem of female servants who all just obey them can anyone sight of space wizard outside of luke or the jet the jet because like where does where does they have a i'm not saying there isn't i'm saying it's like they keep saying it like it's so common like our space wizards that's just a thing our space wizards i mean there's um mass effects sort of has space wizards um that's true destiny we don't need to count that one destiny um space wizards though the warhammer the room would you say the room i'd say the room that's a space vampire i didn't think about it i guided i forget his name oh dear just him saying it like it's something that we all kind of accept you know that we don't like seeing this happen to our space wizards like who are our space wizards his Gandalf space wizards so the reason that it was fucked everything's fucked in this film but i was just like okay so premise fin is trying to get an escape vehicle or ships vessel whatever to go and get away from here so when fin uh ray comes back she'll go to that instead of the fleet he explains that to rose and she electrocutes him because apparently she's been electrocuting anybody who attempts to escape the resistance i actually had a debate with somebody about this a while ago in comments where i was like isn't this essentially a voluntary militia like what the resistance is so like couldn't you i'm not sure what the laws are in america for that when it's constructed if there are laws i'm sure it's different for every case but like could you not leave one if you were a volunteer yeah unless it's like the official military you can't just leave on duty but in something like i guess they have to try and i don't remember fin never joined fin was just there it's stupid because they call this the resistance when this is clearly like an organized army for the republic but they're resisting nothing too important details for that though there's no government so they are essentially just a militia constructed of i don't even you know people who by the time episode is but uh the second detail is really important fin never joined them he fought alongside them for his own purpose but he never actually joined so she's like you're a deserter and it's like he never fucking joined woman i'm not one of you i'm not wearing the you know i'm not i don't have like a badge with my name and then the idea for five minutes and not on the payroll side yeah i'm like people saying you can't leave the u.s military i'm saying militia not military was i clear on that i think militia is when it's like constructed out yeah military is different but as far as this goes fin's not technically part of the resistance you know he's not on a payroll i would imagine he doesn't have like a part to mention and you can absolutely call me sexist for this one but if somebody actually ordered that you need to have somebody on guard preventing anybody from using the escape pods why in the hell would they send the shortest and no offense lacking body strength person there yeah that's the thing right so then you go oh wait maybe they didn't maybe she's actually just doing this herself and she's been collecting bodies and tying them up somewhere just like she's christ rose oh god can you imagine being in rose tico sex dungeon yeah i can't i can't remember the just a nightmare i can't remember the dialogue but does she say anything like i was sanctioned for this or i've been doing it does she just say i've been doing it i can't remember she said i've been doing it or i've they ordered me to um i don't know maybe their problem is that they don't because even if he's not part of the resistance they can't allow him to steal resistance property which would include the escape pod i guess that yeah i mean they don't give you much to go on this all this is all this is literally for last jedi's fucking narrative disaster they won because this is how it worked with ryan johnson he was like i want all of these ox and then we'll just make them happen whatever i just didn't really care about constructing it because the point of this is that she eventually falls in love with him by the end of the film from going from hating him right that was that was poorly handled to say the least no one's going to talk about the incredible robots of rose and fid that's not a thing that's going to happen but uh it's very confusing but that's why it opens with her doing this to him because she looks at him as a traitor all the way up until he nearly sacrifices his life obviously because he's a changed man by them but yeah you know this is i'd never gave a shit that she was a female overpowering a male in this scene because she's got the technology to do it yeah it is all that they chose someone so short and weak you know yeah like i said it's strange that they did that if they chose her it is strange because if you're desperate to get out of the situation alive you think you're gonna you think you're gonna one not be armed but two let this little chick stop you when when life and death hangs in the balance in your mind fuck no like i said i don't think that she was sanctioned i think that it's sort of a joke because i remember it being like crying and then she's like really overly happy about explaining how she's been zapping people and he's like oh wow you know because he's trying to escape as well it's a joke doesn't you know a lot of this has this has nothing to do with any of that but i've just been looking at this frame here and i mean i know all the female characters in star wars are pretty terrible retarded haircuts but does this not look like she's wearing like a nazi cap like a tanker helmet she here flicks out like crazy but i mean it is strange gotta get them fancy haircuts so i'm fine with it i'm fine people here was a bit much but sure you have what you want interfere with a man's heroic journey interfere with a man through it deeper into the unexpected ways that men are held accountable for their behavior in each of the movies three intersecting storylines oh yeah let's do that how men are held accountable as many critics noted when the last jedi and i'm sure we're gonna have to note that holdo is not held accountable for horrific behavior that got basically what like hundreds of people killed it is a woman key detail you need to remember she says we start out with 400 and we end the film with i think 20 people on the falcon something like that it's fucking embarrassing yeah yeah that was like a tweet i put out earlier because someone tweeted out because no it was pose actor who said um i forget his name but he basically said um the the resistance is at the lowest point yet and like yeah it's like 20 dudes on a ship it's barely anything of course it's not much of a resistance at all it's hilarious do from from the moment the republic are destroyed in the force awakens they are now like at a lower point than they ever were in the original three films the rebels they're lower than that throughout all of it and you just come to realize like wow they just did not try they were just like fuck it we want our heroes to be downtrodden so they can be heroic first hit theaters the theme of women challenging male bravado the theme of women challenging male bravado of course it's a theme always a theme Jesus fucking christ oh yeah oh wonderful most evident in the character oh so so so if if this is a theme if that is a theme in the movie then why would you say earlier is like a conspiracy theory about this stuff if you are now saying that this is a theme in the film it's always themes man because it's what else is it like you have to just it's all about interpretation and then you just take a couple of actual things that happen in the film then make up a couple of actual things that happen in the film and then you just got us people love the with theme i actually want to never catch myself using the with theme in my scripts anymore like acid to my face just just uh feels like a cop out this is like i think this is a second big contradiction so far really a theme about oh he's a hot shot fighter pilot pulsive he's arrogant yeah he just quote all the things that holdo said he's insanely successful exactly he's successful with everything he does huge asset to the result he blew up star killer base he fucking twat and he destroyed the dreadnought technically he is arguably the biggest hero of the entire film and he gets no appreciational recognition for nothing nothing for it and how does he handle that he handles it greatly because poe's is a pretty good dude he's just like oh okay i'm doing this for the right reasons and it's not about the fame and i'm a good guy and then after is a great character that we should aspire to be after hours of watching all the support ships get destroyed and holdo literally just look at the screen and say carry on he makes a plea he says please tell us what the plan is no he doesn't he say tell us there is a plan he doesn't even ask for the plan tell us there's a plan something to give us hope and she doesn't do that she doesn't even say yeah there's a plan it hurts your face this this is why by the way when people like uh it was a mole it's like if there was a mole i'm pretty sure she'd be happy to say to the mole there is a plan not telling you what it is though but no with poe she's like hope hope is like a plan you don't need it bill poe packets hope is like a plan fuck yourself we're just gonna we're just gonna have people die until i decide it's time for us to not die because that's what a good leader does oh yeah you know when he mutes i i remember being the film like oh that's the first time i've ever seen him do a thing that i kind of don't think was a good thing to do but then that was it the rest of his decisions are fine and um the other comment people have is that he was the one who drove the army toward the um the dreadnought but uh two details one that mr. plinkett picked up that i completely missed was that um he says while destroying the cannons that um if uh something like we've got to destroy these cannons or our bombers won't stand a chance when he's talking to bb-8 as in that's the plan you know it's not it's not like some made-up thing the bombers are always a part of the plan and then apparently layer changed the plan but secondly that um i was gonna make a second point i've gone in now something about this this there's so much to this scene that uh i mean i can just cop out and use the other point that always gets brought up which is that if he hadn't destroyed this thing then the entire resistance would have been dead by the time you hit the end of the film so oh yeah the only reason they're they made it to the point that they made it the only reason there's 20 guys on a ship at all is because po destroyed the dreadnought because they can't not even this film can play the oh hux is retarded excuse long enough to have the resistance they will still try to play that as best they can oh they'll fucking try oh and wait hux is completely like you could say emasculated by uh by snook and kylo does that count or does that fuck with your theme because those two aren't women whoops and he cares more about being a big damn hero than he does about a big damn hero or even the lot he cares more about saving everyone's lives than he does about not doing it it's just like but that's just wrong john that's wrong macintosh well hold on says it though no wait leah says that line she says it um after she reveals about she's like um hold on didn't care about being a hero and uh popo is like oh my god really it's just a little bit forced is kind of how i look at it the gung-ho rebel pilot is a familiar archetype in star wars media and as a result in star wars we know how it's going to play for sure the good the fucking skilled pilot is just in everything that has pilots because i mean we don't want to see people or is that top gun exists who wants to see a pilot who's not good at being a pilot i mean king gwang said in the chat i guess he cares more about saving the resistance than he does following orders yeah perfect if you want to watch a movie about bad pilots watch that shitty pearl harbor film wait yeah yeah this buzzer shitty pilot out there audiences expect the good guys to bring down the enemy death machine which they do in a giant which they do twice and we expect to revel in the joyful spectacle no i appreciated that by the way the tiny moments where i'm like yes they destroyed it but obviously a great cost which is war and it's like okay but then they change change that into this is why po is evil is like oh god of impossible explosions in outer space but instead of framing colors daring raid on the dreadnought as cause for celebration the movie suddenly pulls the rug out from under us yeah but i mean that you want to check out do you want to check out the death toll when they attack the death star in episode four it's literally everyone except han and luke yeah i mean what do they expect to fight this war without any casualties and this is on top of the fact that i look at look at those red red dots you've got one two three four five six seven bombers there they were the most in a way has changed screens for me now but it was um the bombers i have a huge criticism of the crappy design like i don't feel like it would have been as bad if you replaced all of the y-wigs because of how that scene plays out the tie fighters are delayed on release if you guys remember he's like they should have been scrambled five minutes ago it's like oh so we've got an advantage and it's like not really one tie fighter kills three bombers immediately you're like oh okay not even just one tie fighter one half of a time yeah it's not it's not it's an accident they're so shit you can accidentally get a dribble kill on them well i mean ray gets a triple kill later on on three tie fires so i guess all ships are just that way she totally knows it that's my bad ray is just she's a space wizard basically but i'm like you understand you you traded a dreadnought for one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven ships eleven small ships you you you killed the dreadnought i think it's a worthy trade especially considering it could have destroyed your entire fleet just moments later yeah like that that's insanely good like in terms of resources that that's not that resource of me you know anything until they need to the second they pop after them chasing them through hyperspace and then they go oh my god it's cool up to them do you remember when poe is like um ma'am permission to get into my x-wing and blow some shit up or whatever and then she's like permission granted it's like a moment of yeah okay you were right because because they've just caught up to us and they don't have the dreadnought i remember thinking that for a split second when i was watching the film but no holdo is like you're a bad man you you let us to kill everyone now let me kill everyone in the meantime like the point is this doesn't this whole this whole movie doesn't make any sense you know what i just said by the way uh is exactly what they're doing in the opposite way if if my premise was this film is about women learning their place that's what i actually make the argument for yeah i know and then and then you have i show the scene where she's like you're devoted that i argue poe was right poe destroyed the dreadnought poed it all of this and then i show the scene where she goes permission granted and it's like leah learns in this scene that poe was correct all along and she should have listened to him it's like and then you're right and then like the sjw switch finally and then at the end you've got a you got she prevents poe uh finn from destroying the canon and finn tells her that and then she goes unconscious knowing as she slips into a coma that she's killed everyone this is what they do they just change the scenes they ignore context just so they can sell a narrative and it's really fucking annoying a lot of people argue as well that because he's demoted he should not get um the information and he's still a higher rank than basically everyone that's that's the assumption if he goes down from fleet commander he goes to captain but um that's still a fucking high rank captain should know the plan for survival 11 ships 11 11 ships you lost 11 ships and you destroyed a dreadnought you destroyed a fleet killer that is an insanely good trade that any general would make any day but no like i don't even under how is that even like debatable well this you literally can though yeah you just play footage of the first death star the second death star the third death star all in a row you can't just solve your problem you can't just fight a war by destroying the enemy yeah that's ridiculous i guess yeah what lose or not that would ever work yeah we have to save what we love or something right we should apply this same logic to the war in afghanistan and just like hug it out with them jesus that's why this is teaching us the whole time protect those you love so hug our own and just hope that no one attacks us i suppose we killed a hundred taliban but we lost three guys co is rebuked for his apparent victory demoted and by extension it is it's a victory it's not an apparent victory yeah i was gonna say like you would absolutely call it a victory but it's it's not um one that you go you know you start having celebrations like with uh streamers and and and balloons and everything you go well you know less respect those we lost like that that's the kind of victory it was but now no apparently it's not a victory at all it was a defeat it's like what how was it yeah the the the alternative is you die so this was pretty good because you're not that is rebuked for enjoying the fireworks wow you say that he was rebuked for enjoying the fireworks that's when you literally have the moment where he's looking at the ship getting destroyed po is and he actually looks kind of sad do you remember that bit like he's not a hundred percent like yay fire well that's war it's fucking rare that you'll have a victory where there was no losses so of course you self reflect like why this is this part wasn't some kind of like huge departure from how wars are won because obviously if you compare it to a new hope where they destroyed the death star they're like incredibly happy but ultimately it's like yeah you've just stopped the thing that was literally destroying planets or well you've made an incredible step forward because that thing what did you say that the someone said the amount of people on it was like 300 000 i think was a staff death star that's a lot you just uh one battle especially when how many people did it take i mean either way reducing the enemy numbers by 300 000 and the resources it took to create all that that's insane oh sorry yeah that's that's the second point i completely forgot that plinky brought up so um if you look at where the bombers are when we first see them if you were to retreat they'd be destroyed there's no way they make it back to the ships for hyperdrive which for some reason needs to happen even though the ot established that all of the individual ships have hyperdrive so not sure why everyone has to be in the big ship to be able to do that and then it raises the question of yeah why don't you all just hyperdrive in different directions you'd all be alive instead you know they would just be too god damn smart if you remember uh all the support ships they can hyperdrive but for some reason they all just allow themselves to be killed it's like why don't you just offload all of your men have one let's say five guys on the support ship and then hyperdrive off somewhere and go get help you know kind of like how they do with rows and thin this film is awful just wanted to by the way like the um like the people who are apparently on the death star that's like 10 percent of all the german army casualties in the entirety of world war two well there you are we find ourselves suddenly confronted with a narrative about consequences how are they how it consequences how is that not in the originals how is that not in the prequels i can't believe i'm saying this but that is a strong part of the prequels consequences the theme of the prequels as consequences i thought it was about hating sand but you know a strong message against sand for some star wars eleven ships he must have felt as if princess leah had just reached out of the movie screen and personally slapped them across the face but no what um what is that at all how that happened no i mean you just making shit up there must be just some guy out there that he is been paid off to say that he's like you know that totally was how it felt a hundred percent i wouldn't i wouldn't put it past disney to pay people off i mean we even though we know from patrick williams that yeah that's not a viewer ever has been paid off or gives reviews i did tell you about that um i told you about that right al he he said that there's no such a review would never be paid off that's ridiculous it's like okay now it's not worthy that blowing up the space fascist death ray isn't framed as morally wrong instead we're asked to consider the tactical and human cost of that violence again i don't really know a time where that hasn't been the case yeah and people die in these scenes whenever they destroy something significant and it's always like no not that guy aside from porkins nobody really cared i didn't even think about how abruptly that x-wing flew into that hangar hey man it was flashy it's cool but x wings have hyperdrive that doesn't matter though flew in there so quickly it was so low on fuel all the ships only had fuel even though hyperdrive fuel is apparently a separate thing from fuel right like the two different fuel i don't get it how are they fuel from the ships and put it on the radis how is it that they only just left the planet but they don't have any more fuel left because they were rushing everybody's rush but you yeah but every if you were running a gorilla arm and you know that once we're discovered you have to flee why are your ships not fueled and prepped for launch at all moments of the day why weren't they fueled and prepped for launch as they were like attacking the Starkiller base just in case oh god the fact that this film takes place like hours later so stupid they cut themselves off so badly with that they should have just made it two days later oh i'm fucked two days make it a few why don't just do what empire did have them on a new base have a never mind oh no if ever a leader is incapacitated we expect our brash hero to suddenly find themselves in command but that doesn't happen instead we elect this retake no we we were expecting admiral akba we weren't expecting a hero of of no i didn't expect poe i expected admiral akba but he was dead i would expect c3po before anyone else like before holdo let's just get 3po to do it literally thought anybody else before holdo because holdo didn't exist before this movie just invincible can you can you see by the way on the right of the person who's speaking to them that's neum nub who was in the original trilogy that means he's been a part of the resistance for over 30 years and apparently he still hasn't risen in the ranks even though over the course of the ot which correct me if i'm wrong but is that five or six years or something like that is the entire uh time i forget i don't know i can't remember but uh wait you mean is that the guy who was in the falcon with land always or he was with lando yeah so just so you know wedge goes from being like private or you know lowest rank to i think captain in the ot over the course of three films but neum nub is still a grunt in the meantime hold okay but i'm nowhere it is admiral now well you know nub's uh he's a minority so he can't do that most people are saying four secretly racist women aren't god there are a lot of there are a lot of women in this picture geez there's a lot one gee i you can actually see holdo as the scene starts it's like yeah all boating one two three four five six seven eight nine ten and by the way neum nub was the co-pilot where they blew up the death star that's a pretty big achievement but nah he's like almost half of this army is women no wonder they got their ass kicked that's it is a sexism how dare you that's insane i never noticed that by admiral well that's the interesting part they in in interviews they say that we want stars to represent reality as in there are just as many women in the world as there are men but it's just like the reality of the military i might find the numbers a bit different scene was women in a military and i'm like yeah i know when there's a when there's a dangerous resistance guerrilla force that forms to fight an all-powerful evil enemy i know that it's gonna i know that half it's gonna be half women i guess i just that's i'm i'm mostly okay with it i don't really care because it's a lot of the jobs they have to do aren't really heavy lifting it's more it's a very odd detail but uh we know why they did it they've made it very clear and it's like very well you know as long as you have good characters it doesn't bother me but they couldn't get that part why isn't this old lady like the leader instead of holdo do you guys catch while she wears like a halo yeah very odd so perfect very very strange scarf around my neck to make it seem like i'm less than a bunch of wrath than i am then general laia don't play a trigger happy fly boys like you you're impulsive you know as interesting as getting these criticisms from someone we've never met was just like okay who are you someone just shows up berets a character for doing the right thing and we're supposed to be oh uh is the film trying to to clarify as rag said before if this was male though it would have been the same thing yeah it doesn't matter it doesn't matter she's somebody that the film creates basically to like i didn't know what they're just some like old fat general do good but we are reckless you're you're you're impulsive you're you're demoted you can't know the plan you would be like who the fuck is this guy like where the fuck did this guy come from who's this guy like and isn't she the only one in a dress in this military that was very strange choice of clothing like admiral holdo was wearing a dress very strange but hey you know whatever suits you she's admiral's can didn't mon mothma wear a dress trying to take away from the fact that she's a waman and she can wear whatever you want rags but i thought in the military you're so wear whatever you want i thought there's like a uniform you may be a hyperbolic but people actually see that as justice military they see it as a sexist comment to comment on either a hair or a dress and it's just like if a man was wearing a fucking dress i would say something to yeah it's like i thought this was is this a military or not is this like a military organization well everybody's wearing their uniforms except for her who's just got this even if it was just a man and like jeans and a sweatshirt i would be like this is very unprofessional exactly yeah you would imagine admiral to be the most professionally dressed like imagine if snoop dog just walking and he was like yo i'm gonna be the leader of your resistance now i mean it would be like oh god we should all kill ourselves now she partially chastises poe for this recklessness i mean at least we'd have a good time before we die as a liability to them i he literally saved everyone's life i don't see how that's yeah i know that that detail is great he said he's a liability to their mission and it's like how they the film never explains how he could possibly be a liability if if he's to know this plan which is we will be safe if you do nothing how could he possibly screw that up well it's like this it's like this um this video we're watching is like despite all of the evidence to the contrary believe me and for anybody who's like she's worried he'll do it what he did again it's like he can't there's no ships this stuck inside this one and that's the best course of action so it's as simple as that you tell and it's so ironic because it's like the hot shot you tell him nothing the guy who wants to take it into his own hands you tell him nothing it's like oh you idiot mission you know what you know it's a good time to teach your military members something very important with like a sort of gambling risky sort of thing it's it's probably peace times i would say there's a better time to sort of play with them learning about war as opposed to the possibly worst moment for this faction in the history of star wars like the lowest fucking point and this is really what's at the heart of why so many angry fans tend to hate by said i'm glad you know my heart yeah i guess i mean we've already he's already determined what we were expecting he's already determined that we feel what he said slapped in the face and disrespected like he's great at assuming all of our emotions and intentions but his arguments are really shit doesn't matter he's speaking from the heart about our hearts i mean tell okay magintosh tell me about hold those character tell me about her character she is strong amazing character she is professional she is uh inspirational she had a speech about hope that was inspirational hold on that is possible for more deaths than po is that expression really is like kind of horrifying what now her expression right now all right it's like um what are you what are you doing because i was like why are you frustrated when he just wants the plaid woman hold those characters so much i'll be right back i need to get some of the drink yeah that's cool um yeah you guys just continue on po loosing his shit because he realizes that everyone's about to die just because nobody's doing anything like how would that not frustrate the hell out of anybody yeah it's like if people's lives are on the line and remember hold on responsible for deaths than po is so if the whole thing about po loses 11 ships holdo is getting way more people than that killed and it's not even close there no comparison can be made so what exactly is the why isn't holdo being treated why aren't these roles completely reversed holdo gets all these people killed for nothing po kill he gets 11 people gets 11 people killed to destroy a huge fleet killer that would have destroyed them and i'm wondering it really is baffling when you look at the details of this movie and you try to wonder how people jump through the hoops that they have to to defend hold those characters absolutely uh what are they watching what are they looking at while he's while he's gonna try and run through super chats because i'll go for gaps to do them um when they're streaming but you're at work uh yay i was able to finally catch you guys live streams been work on trying to do this for a long time well we're happy to stream aren't we uh how's life i hated the last Jedi so much well that's life for you i suppose um what do you think of plink it's the last Jedi review i liked it a lot i just think that maybe he should have been a little faster with it because it's been you know it's been such a long time that i mainly only took away months of it yeah the the things he said about if you look at the last Jedi is constructed via like a comedy formula we're really interesting and there's a couple of things like plot holes or inconsistencies or conveniences that he mentioned that i was like oh shit yeah i didn't even notice that one so you know not not like it relevant and it was fun so uh molla why are people dumb um that is a question for the ages uh can i get a birthday shout out from you guys from pascal benjamins no no happy birthday i can't believe you guys are so heartless you wouldn't wish poor pascal a happy birthday it's disgusting the voice hating is real that's that's how long back these these come from uh thank you you're all my heroes rags why can't you man up and grow a vagina for once so when i'm in have representation yes no answer i think rags might be dead i don't know uh i think i thought you said you want to be a drink oh did he i thought it was wolf i think but i think he took the opportunity well i guess it's down to me and i have to read these then uh i'll stay to listen live you guys are all awesome have shackles i'll probably hear this at the gym tomorrow huh there you go yeah i love jim he's a good guy there you go uh uh rags wish pascal benjamin a happy birthday pascal benjamin happy birthday now this isn't somebody wanted a birthday wish how is this a sale again uh would you rather watch the last jedi every day for the rest of your life or put a glass tube in your urethra and then hit your wina with a mallet oh Jesus fucking christ how big is this glass tube these options no oh shit it doesn't matter you don't know what expression are we paused on interesting uh what earlier rose is quite uh i mean surely you'd have to choose the the latter because you wouldn't want to have to watch the last jedi every single day of the rest of the day i can still get fucked in the ass can't i with a glass tube that gets smashed i don't know i don't know man i'm trying i'm looking for a way out what you like uh i will never forgive ruin asking for more details about the glass tube than i have the details about the movie you have to watch i will never forgive ruin johnson for destroying and raping luke skywalker and making me not care about star wars worst movie let down ever yeah but that's because you can't respect the women just wanted luke to be gandalf yeah you wanted him to be a space wizard you couldn't accept that he learned from a woman that's your problem uh use expanse as a counter argument that show actually is awesome and does diversity wait by the last jedi no no no no no no no no i've not seen it okay okay well i here's the thing i love the expanse books and so i was like oh there's a show and then i watched it and i'm like oh this is horrifyingly bad well it's it's a sci-fi show on the sci-fi channel so if that if you know anything about the sci-fi channel that that'll tell you everything i do you know the old sci-fi logo is way better than the stupid shit we have now also the last jedi feels like a b level like someone's first entry level it feels like a filler episode of tv it really does like nothing happens really well it's more complicated than nothing happens it's the nothing the plot is the most boring idea ever space chase that gets resolved by the end and every everybody of significance is still alive like who on the good guys team anyway luke yeah but there's those people who are like maybe luke's not dead because he's cast a new one it's like it's gotta be force ghost lair well yeah but she's gonna die in the next one no they're using clips aren't they for uh for lair so um yeah it's more complicated than nothing happens but it feels like i said i would i would do better to actually argue why but it feels like a mid tv series episode character progresses in a meaningful way they would argue against that um the true fault for this mess lies with the prequel haters think about it if it wasn't for them luke's wouldn't have sold luke's film place the blame where it belongs i i how is it george luke's fault that they fucked no he says the prequel hates his fault oh no it's how is that made these shitty movies i was gonna say what would you in that case if this film was great would you say we should thank the people who hated the prequels that we got this because i wouldn't i feel like these films remember they had complete and total creative freedom to make a series whenever however long with whatever characters they wanted about anything they they wished yeah they rushed into it and you know i'm a fair man if it was a good film i'd want to celebrate the writer's directors and actors i'd be like you guys did a good job but if it's the reverse i tend to blame the writer's directors it's like it's more awkward but it's negative isn't it writers agency it's like the people that say well you should blame the prequel the people that hated the prequels for where we're at now it's like the prequels were bad how is that a defense yeah i mean you know what if what if george luke's versions of star wars were even worse than this we don't know we can't know well i doubt it but we don't well we we talked that guy who was like oh they were gonna be midgets like i said though i want to see that now just to compare like how goofy a sound sounds a lot more because you know what despite the goofiness you know that all the characters will be consistent and they'll probably have some epic seasons you know which would be nice but uh yeah it's been fun listening i'll watch the rest get rest at work uh good night good night have fun at work good night and good luck don't destroy any dreadnoughts that's bad what if gorman's first name from aliens is norman norman gorman drink every type aliens gets referenced it's gonna come up more i'm pretty sure uh top gun would give this guy a heart attack gandalf the witch king whoops gandalfini uh and the king of rohan then a woman killed him and no one gave a shit that's actually a really good point because that happens in lord of the rings the witch king defeats gandalf the witch king neely kills king theodon those two are two of the biggest male hour characters in the the whole series so but she stabs him in the back because he's a coward she stabs him in the face i thought no she stabbed in the back and then stabs him in the face no no because pippin stabbed him in the back that was that was mary that was that was well pippin was the or oh yeah mary because pippin was in the city yeah well yeah but if mary didn't stab him in the back then she wouldn't have been able to kill him she got yeah he he said he got an assist for that so the male back stabbed while the woman fought gallantly with respect it's like battlefield where it's like assist counts is killed so technically mary was the one that killed the witch king of any way this call this call for days over there we go if you get a chance please take a look at film joys let's talk about thanos curious how you guys would react to that one we've got a thanos video that's potentially coming people are saying mary pippins uh palpatine and the emperor did nothing wrong obviously and do you guys find it interesting that no one is talking about solo but people are still talking about the last Jedi it's because solo is so forgettable like yeah it's it's it's just man such a shit movie there's like no one even thinks it's good to use the culinary phrase it is milk toast no it's uh this fucking movie's wrong and then battle star galactica star book anyone not seen it alex have you seen that yeah i've watched it what's star book she's the star books the hotshot pilot who played by a key uh shack or whatever so but she's female so he doesn't count she's a massive tomboy and i told you before about that show he has a lot of female characters in uh power or high power position positions of power we're saying it like there's an example that it's just like why why are we why are we in this position it was always normal why is it gonna be why have they made it so unnormal that it's like oh yeah women doing was one of the first shows i to kind of get like uh flak for it and i was back in like 2005 it was like quite woke i was gonna say buffy was uh started 97 so well well i'm neglecting the mention of the context the original show in the 70s starbucks was a bloke who's played by who's a hot headed uh misandrist kind of thing or misogynist rather than misandrist he doesn't hate men um he doesn't hate women either you know he's like james bond or whatever and like they well they changed him into a woman and then they added several other characters into position of power that women and yeah it's a battery for other reasons but you know that's like something that was like highlighted like when the first came out um well yeah anyway thank you all for the very kind donations we're gonna carry on with the video hopefully get to the end of it before i do sort of like a break again i'll do that last one i tried to watch rogue one and couldn't get into it or couldn't get into they are enough it's still typically looked at as the best of disney's films as far as i'm aware that high bar and i know but let's build those butter a star wars story there was a there was a picture of i meant to set it to you guys i think if i could get it on my phone but it was like um it was three paint types uh that someone was holding in a store one of them was like sweet baby boy sweet baby girl and butterscotch lemon or something and it was like yeah the only three choices for jen does this is like that's insane anyway yeah i think i think it was like the three categories of gender or something like that but uh well it sounds like a very tasty gender if i do say so yeah i would definitely give it a shot but um all right let's hear about how this toxic masculinity destroyed the film po dameron's story is that of a cocky headstrong never tell me the odd style male hero who is repeatedly never tell me the odds he weighed up the odds and decided that he had to save everyone's lives just to clarify it wasn't a random decision this is the first draft of a macintosh um video where he just writes it down and has some clips here and there and i guess it goes over most people's heads like they don't even look like other people are desperate to validate you know um i think it's the gray joys in uh game of thrones the the the words of their houses we do not so the words of these guys's house would be we do not qualify it's basically never prove never provide evidence no references it's almost a bad thing to do that just say it's the retarded well logic is bad i love that she says that it's supposed you you bet the survival on bad odds it's like compared to death like i would pick bad odds on that every day bad odds over dying until he finally learns to listen to and you can't make that argument unless she told him there was nothing to listen to so i really wish the ryan had written it so that he knew because this argument would be so much easier to have because you could just be like okay yeah he was being a bit of a dick but uh the argument would probably be about how they changed his character like he wouldn't have done that no sane person would have but at least that'll be something but he never knows well three of you dad oh no no i wouldn't mind my hands were my hands were full let me put my thing on us to women in positions of power as episode eight begins well hold up let's go back a little bit that's actually a interesting thing he said is a until he finally learns to listen to and trust women in positions of power you mean like how he did with leia for the entire movie this is about him respecting trusting women in power well yeah superiors it does nothing to do with the information this is what macintosh does how do i make this a gender issue i was gonna say he did deny leia in the opening wall remember he did he muted it yeah but when he was like aiming his gun at the door and she came through he was like oh hey it's leia she's gonna help and then she shoots in yeah leia's not retarded she'll see things from my perspective which by the way why shoot him she literally could have just been like put your gun down you idiot we have a plan then again maybe holder was like yes leia i told him the plan he needs to find me anyway are the layers like really and she says that to pull out the ship opposed like no she did leia's like hmm that's strange i thought she told you but okay okay we're done with poe on to finn as episode eight begins finn is a man obsessed he wants nothing more than to find his friend rey and then get as far away as he thought he said he's a man obsessed and i was like is that obsessed he's he's just admitted by the way the remember earlier he was like finn begins the film as being you know cowardly selfish and all that stuff and he's just established also he kind of cares about rey i guess it's a little bit concerned there and driven by a lack of faith what driven by a lack of faith what lack of faith in what driven by a lack of faith that's amazing considering the circumstances remember finn knows that they can't escape the first order finn knows remember everyone faith is bad faith is not a good thing faith is not a virtue you don't want to have faith in things faith is not good is it faith in resistance gotta have faith do you think he's saying faith in women is that what it's gonna be unless it is faith in Allah he's convinced that the fight against the first order is a lost cause he is he is when did he ever say anything even remote but i wasn't aware that it was a thing but it is though that's the funny thing it's like well it is a lost cause because nobody told anyone the plan you like and see how it is i don't see how that was his thing this all comes down to the fact that nobody ever knows the plan like if you at least just tell him the plan i honestly if ryan had helped show me a script i would just be yeah rewrite with people knowing the plan it's very easy you just have to make po under suspicion for being a mole and how do we do that we'll have him get everyone killed in the opening and what i'm saying is he blocks the communications off from leia and then he sends them in and exits the battle himself and so it's like hmm that's a bit dodgy and then that's all operating into the fact that he destroyed star killer base that's the problem that's what makes it really difficult but uh even with all that you're like man it's like they were arguments in the i'm not even getting the first couple of days because i was curious as to what people were thinking about it i remember on reddit reading someone saying that um she did think he was a mole and one of the biggest reasons is that most war hero most moles will typically be war heroes or they were war heroes and they've turned and that he was the biggest war hero in star wars would make sense get that idea well first of all yeah i'm like is that actually a thing are war heroes typically turned into moles or is it you know some other kind of system but uh not to mention it's like i don't know i think that's a bit too big because it's just like the star killer base the mind is maybe been an external but he's not exactly a typical case yeah that's in chat as well this is like but is that is that is there more than that like it's and he destroys star killer base is no small thing all right like that's i mean i know that they treat it like a small thing in the films because if you guys remember star killer base in words is not even mentioned in this film it got destroyed like yesterday i just it's just all wrong yeah i think someone out he wasn't even a mole he's just a traitor well we have to consider this like there's no mention of a mole so even if it made sense narratively that he could be considered a mole it's never mentioned in between the lines and who lets a mole run around the ship like if you really thought he was a mole put him in the brig yeah like report on the inside of this cell doomed it if my friend comes back to what she's doomed to enter rose taiko taiko taiko i'm pretty sure everybody's i've never heard taiko i've never i've never heard taiko before enter jonathan macintosh's typo i'm curious do they ever say rose tico in the film or is that something that everyone's just come up with i'm pretty sure they said it in the film because now i can't remember because i want to make a point i want to make a point how he's using the film for his own purposes and that he doesn't actually he doesn't actually pay attention he didn't actually give us up he clearly doesn't pay attention well he he's got a video where he explains that he does massive amounts of research and he needs the patreon funding for that thunderfoot went over it um so that's definitely he's saying that he massively researched this film so i'm assuming he must have seen a video where someone said rose tico people are saying uh taiko bell in the chat wait you you can tell by this picture that rose eats a lot of taiko bell rose taiko low-ranking maintenance worker is a rose to to exploit from the force awaken oh do you guys love that as well she's a fan of finn's exploits like he's a war hero when it literally happened like hours ago how'd they know i don't know this is the thing though they're inconsistent on it because it's like did it happen hours ago was it days ago was it a week ago was it minutes ago it's like i'm not actually sure because of the way they frame everything yeah famed war hero tells me he's going on a secret mission i'm like okay you are a war hero because it's implied right the uh they knew the base it's the same base at the beginning as as the force awakens one like it looks exactly the same so it's implied that the star killer base was destroyed huck's made his way to the supremacy and they hyperspace to the planet where the resistance works they knew where they were so it's like okay so that's we're looking at potentially an hour there it's like that could be as as quick like why wouldn't it be and i'm just saying you're thinking like now you space twitter rose typhoid when she realizes he's not really the committed resistance hero but he is heard stories about really well her disappointment is powerful the thing about that is that he's not necessarily the resistance hero but he's not lying and he's not running away from a fight because he's a coward she's completely and totally wrong yeah i was gonna say like he's treason he treats it like as if she's the moral arbiter here when it's like well i i always thought she was out of line oh oh look how do you yeah who that is like he doesn't use i don't think he uses uh the bay in those words count but uh he does put it on the pencil rose takes on the role of do you see that she she pulled it by the scruff therefore mental guide oh my god for finn's mentor and guide guide how is she a guide to anything well you see finn whenever you can save an animal or a human being you should always choose the animal rose basito yeah i just don't want to do anything about the show but yeah leave the little kids behind you you little kids can be slaves forever but we're gonna take all the animal let them all out they're gonna get a few they're gonna get a day of vacation we're gonna wait how could he he has to comment on that there's no way you could leave that that's such a prime real estate to make his position stronger it's gonna come up i mean maybe she's his mentor in the sense that's like teaching him how not to he's the one who pulls back the curtain to expose the oppression festering just below the surface of the galaxy it's just it's this particular place that that's happening it's and it's so out of no way just like what even is this place why do we care and and it's like who are these people so it's like are these these good guys it's like no they're war profiteers and look they're using slave labor it's like oh okay if it was a well established place that's like you know showed up in all the films that's why i got there they'd be like oh like this is a different view of this you know it's not it's just this shithole it feels like this place was invented just to make this point yeah yeah like this is capitalism is bad well it doesn't feel that way it is that way and i stand by what i what i said in my video like to profit from war is like this specifically awful thing it's like are you telling me that they've designed and created weapons and ships and they sell it to whoever buys and that makes the monsters i'm like hmm not sure about that considering it's essentially what goes on these days people make weapons or tools you could actually refer to them down at one point like these people are morally neutral they just make something and sell it and it's like oh wait that's capitalism the resistance buys it the first order for some reason yeah that's the thing the good guys buying it too so what's the difference so if the worst is that they're lawful neutral the at the worst they're lawful neutral but no they treated us the villains practically and who do you think these people are yeah why can't the richest planet just have robots why do they particularly like having children that they have to like feed and like you know like keep people you know torture and like keep in line against stand by what i said it should be droids it shouldn't be kids it's just again like you know child sleep leave or whatever you know it's so hot right now i don't know i don't get it and again just to reinforce what right i said it's like they really sell this scene it's like these are the evil guys and then we find out minutes later oh yeah they actually supply the good guys by the way too you're like wait what and it's like there are no such things as good people bad people i was like okay i guess i'm glad i learned i'm glad disney is here to teach me about the perils of capitalism thanks disney i'm not even kidding that almost feels like a scene that should have been cut the one where he explains that there's you know there's they're on both sides and the you should just abandon the the whole point of it i know that the whole thing was supposed to be that finne hears him out and then decides no i will fight for the good people but to me i was just like his point is that the people are getting judged here for doing x that's in favor of bad guys but it's also in favor of good guys so what is your point and then finne takes from that i will fight for the resistance you're like wait what how does that work and a lot of people have explained by the way it's so strange that they have this fucking blueprint of the supremacy on board it's like how do you have that white that sounds like it'd be something they would hold pretty close to look how detailed it is dude that's a room right there it's literally got like beeps and the lines on the doors and the walls it's like wow that's a that's an amazing blueprint you got there seems like something they wouldn't want you to have spend an entire movie rogue one that's interesting to get stuff like this you guys just have it and i'm like oh i was oh that was easy there's like a wikipedia or whatever rose holds no formal position of power but she does speak she hang on she holds no formal position of power she fucking blew up i guess that doesn't count as a formal position of power let me get to it because it's gonna be cringe thank god position of moral authority i wish i could put my fist through this whole lousy beautiful town she articulates the political and moral reasons why the resistance is necessary the rite deep literally hours ago hours ago they were in power yeah and now they already have secret symbols and it doesn't make sense it's insane it's like you guys came you guys would dominate the galaxy that they get attacked and i was like the resistance we need they need to exist to fight the regime it's like what regime the first order haven't even established their government yet it's insane i would understand the way that i perceive it everybody in the galaxy would just be confused like what's going on like if you if say earth is just one planet among the millions in the galaxy we find out the republic has been destroyed all five planets that attain to it and the first order of taking power we'd be like what does that mean okay does that affect our taxes yeah i don't know and it's like you need to join the resistance to fight them i'd be like why yeah exactly there's a video i'm watching now called i was watching this last night star wars the last jedi the end of a dream by bandit incorporated and he was in his part one he talks a lot about like the like the empire and stuff and you know they they were probably very useful and the republic wasn't very useful and you know the good and the bad aspects of the empire versus the republican stuff and how in the story it just doesn't really make any sense that people would be you know the way that they are in this point gets raised over and over and over again is like who who's in control why do people care if they're in control how does this compare to the republic it's all one big mess because there's no world building no world we don't know what the fuck's going on and and you just you think about it for five seconds just some distant imagine the huts the the the huts are all in desert planet areas and they're just like oh the first order is ruling now huh okay well he was he was pointing out in um in episode four he about how like stormtroopers are just walking around keeping order you know trying to minimize crime to some degree if you didn't bother them they didn't bother you you know it's like you don't care if you got bigger problems than the uniforms of the police officers it's also confusing because uh they're saying like this is why we need the resistance and it's for the horrible things happening in this place that's not aligned to either the first order or the resistance it's both technically just like fighting the first order doesn't actually do anything for this area because they'll just carry on i mean how this area wouldn't be this way if if uh the resistance didn't allow it because the resistance have been in power the whole time but they still would have it just would have their clients would have changed that's all that would have been affected and and when you look at it it's like a um it is going back to oh yeah um the empire remember in episode four uh the first uh we see vader choking the dude at the table and um grandma tarkin's there they they talk about the provincial yeah the the provincial governors of the planets yeah so arguably planets were more free under the empire than they were public yeah i i i think so uh oh the very least it's complete it's so unclear in this film to compare that you just like have to accept it because what else is there now it's like you could basically you could rule your planet however you wanted as long as you obeyed the empire so is that the did nothing wrong the reason these guys are evil the kanto bite the kanto bite people are evil because they sold shitty bombers the resistance yeah yes they fucked them up on that deal but you'll love these they're great yeah it'll be great super durable so what happens right is when you break all this down it doesn't make sense the conclusion is oh they're just moralizing they're basically just taking this scene to say you know slavery is really not a good thing animal cruelty is really not a good thing and they're a bad size to capitalism that we need to address it's like slavery is bad animal cruelty is worse and so what you what you can do especially because of how pointless finn's b-plot is is cut all this out and the film just cuts to a halt and it just cuts to a white room and a chair and someone sits down and says slavery is bad child cruelty animal cruelty that's bad and then it cuts back to the film and we're like okay it's about as subtle it's very confusing as well because it's so rushed like as i hit everything pointed out i believe it's seven minutes and despite that everyone feels like this was the longest part of the film look at that i know it's the same and did he do him so she inspires finn i think i'm in 13 minutes and seven percent of the film i can't remember what the numbers were but it's like wow that was short compared to how it felt way longer than it was to finally identify as a rebel i still think that's a mistake he's supposed to say resistance not rebels because they say resistance and rebels in the film several times because they just interchange them because yeah it's like let's be honest they just it was the exact same thing as the ot they just changed the names the first order they may as well just say empire because you know why not and it's her role as moral compass to both finn and to the audience that's responsible for as if we needed to be told that the stuff going on here was not good come on and then this case this stuff came out of nowhere if this was like established in the force awakens and maybe it was even by people imagine the connection where the force awakens shows that the resistance are getting supplied by these people and then in the background they just let this go on they're just like oh yeah well we need the weapons so and then rose is the character that says we have to stop them i know that we need them but this is wrong you know that could be something i know that happens it's still a pragmatic argument like we need the weapons regardless we just have to be honest yeah and you can have the character who says if we stop them then we lose the war and then they do it even worse probably that could be interesting that would be interesting which is why it's not in this fucking movie you know how interesting things of the rage directed at rose's character from the more toxic side of star wars fandom yeah we're toxic because of how awful she's written my god what is the back of this dude's helmet it protects his neck from it's steer wise it's what it is you steer wise look he's even got like a big lightsaber but they all do apparently standard issue many of these guys can't help but view a woman who is serving as teacher to a male hero what is she teaching him what is she teaching him what is she teaching him i think i think he's trying to argue that is he joins the resistance because the resistance stops bad things from the universe from happening and he needs to learn that that's what he needs to do i think that's it it's so horribly executed that i'm like confused but yeah i guess maybe uh but yeah that's ridiculous it's here it's weird that he would dig so deep into that but all the other just lines in the film that contradict them apparently just don't matter i'm still i'm i'm assuming you have to go for that part of the film when you talk about you know moral lessons because it's so like how could you not it's it's just prime so fucking hamfisted it in your face you may as well take the offer because you know that's what's there for it's practically written that way has anything other than preachy annoying forum how is it not preachy to be like look this is bad i don't understand like that's like the definition masculating are you kidding me the fact that rose also happens to be played by an actress of color only magnifies their anger i like that he says actress of color when showing that she's practically like just as white as anyone else you've seen no she's asian that means something to people i guess actress of colors just funny i guess squinty eyes that means that she is unique somehow pose not white really i want morgan freeman to be on the set when he says actress of color and then morgan freeman says i'm not an actor of color i'm an actor yeah why are you taking you know why are you adding modifiers to what i am it's very you piece of shit it's like why are they why why have you segregated them that's fucked up dude they just act as two actors and there are actors of color and yet we're not even assessing the whole fact that he's like girl she they kind of hate her because she's an actress of color it's like i i'm okay with that personally i can let you know and you'd be like no no you're not and i'm like okay let me tell you how you feel well you know i'll say this at least she's not a jew then i would have had a lot of problems with it it's like he's gonna use you on day wolf as an example he'll be like this this wolf person who i don't even think they're a real wolf and he'll be like exposed hey someone sent me a dm on discord they said hey rags i don't mean to bother you but watching the current stream i feel like you guys are missing an opportunity on talking about how jared is ignoring all the problems that poor world building causes to the movie like how rose is apparently holding back volunteers from leaving she's not really working as a guard keeping people from running away she's just keeping them from trying to survive oh well we did go over like how i don't think that was sanctioned i think it's kind of like a crazy person thing that she's doing yeah we we talked a little bit about it we're basically she seems she does seem vigilante-ish and now you don't get to leave you need to die here with the rest of us and how like i'm pretty sure you can leave uh what is essentially a militia because it's volunteer in the first place yeah did you mean to say john not jared i was gonna say he said jared because i was expecting i was expecting something else and then it was like a serious question and i was like this doesn't sound like jared was john using jared response theory i would answer it no this this this doesn't make enough sense the other reason for the backlash against rose is because she interrupts fin's big heroic sacrifice yes she basically dooms the resistance she killed everybody that's not going to be what he says the very least this scene did at least accurately portray female asian drivers oh you're like the evil one film's final battle yeah i just say it embarks on a self-destructive charge i mean can you say that when she nailed her target well yeah she she was very accurate typically you're not supposed to crash your car on purpose yeah but her goal was to save fin and somehow what she did actually achieved that goal i'm not saying that it was logical so she did it she achieved a goal she's the hero of the film wolf and you just hate asian people which is kind of why you don't like it that's true someone in the chat is finally in the right place but his judgment is clouded by his eagerness to act on his newfound convictions how is his judgment clouded if he doesn't do this the resistance is dead doesn't think this scene is so easy to fix all you need is some character to say wait it's a goomba flumba canon which means it's immune to things going into it and then fin is like or you'll be incinerated before you can get to the canon or yeah yeah even that so easy and then fin says no like this will work you just keep saying this will work or something like that his vision is clouded by the melanin in his skin but like they they go over quite heavily about how this is the right decision like and then they just don't it's just like this is the most like indefensible thing in the film for so many people and is like it's desperation to try and how do i flip this scene to make it to what i need it to be instead of what it obviously is and yeah and what we just brought up means that it's damaged to be able to describe this scene as rose saves him from making a reckless decision that only would have killed himself it's like but that's not what we were shown we were shown and told that he was going to do something that would save the entire resistance and by her doing what she did she's killing everyone including them to so how come how can i follow you on this idea of your theme doesn't make any sense as the movie makes clear fin's suicide attack is doomed to fail no it doesn't no it doesn't we think it's working every one of the theater thought that he was going to sacrifice himself and save the resistance yeah see because when i when i watch this video earlier and he said that i was like oh shit i can't remember because it's like nine months ago when i watched this film last so i was like what how do they make it clear because he doesn't show it but he keeps saying that they did it and i was like he's he's just he's just fucking shitting on me he's just fucking lying um what i remember and again i'd have to watch it again is that we it shows po recognizing that all of his men are getting killed like they're just getting blown up and then he's like nah this isn't gonna work he's like we're all gonna die before we reach the target so fuck it let's go back and then fin doesn't and you're like okay fin's gonna get blown up before you can reach the cannon then yeah because you have those 12 laser cannons pointing right at him but no open battlefields he's like three meters away from the cannon when you get stopped and you're like wow he probably would have doing and this is the thing it's all it's all incompetence of writing and direction for that one because if it was like scenes that you could have edited to make that clear then that's what you should have done but it was not clear at all and so the audience was confused and i still think it's the worst piece of dialogue in the history of star wars when she says you have to protect what you love as the resistance gets exploded in the background it's the most hilariously incompetent moment in the history of the saga po tells him so rose tells him so yeah but that's the point in it kamikaze he knows that's the that's the point of the sacrifice he's gonna die to do it the character the cannon being charged doesn't then mean that the cannon cannot no longer be destroyed as if like the charging means it has a shield now because their their ships don't have guns on them yeah they all they can do apparently is just rab i don't even know yeah i don't even know why they left the cave what it what it what exactly was the plan it was a suicide right i assumed it always was i assumed that they were always planning on whoever reaches the reaches the target has to drive right in down its throat you know i can't remember whether you're aware of the uh the escape out of the back the cave or whatever the time i remember no they weren't all right which makes it worse because yeah the christian fox boys hasn't hadn't run away into the cave yet or something because the decision is okay we're not going to do our plan now we're all going to die instead okay if they'd known about the secret exit they could be like we'll go with that plan it seems better yeah yeah it could have been like a noble like well as competent as they are who knows what they would have decided by the people stayed outside or whatever like you know they give them time to escape but it is not no there's nothing yeah literally it's a writing thing they go they they have the droids c3po and rtd2 or bba whoever they figure out that there's absolutely no way of getting out of the cave the only way through is the front door and then once all this scene is over those very same droids go there could be a way out well they do say that don't they like we've checked for exits and there are none yeah that's what i'm saying it's a writing thing it's to generate tension for this fight because we know that this is the only way they can win and then when this fight ends they go oh actually there is a way out it's like oh oh well okay and it's just because that's good he writes everything in the moment i think ryan johnson's just like oh this works for now this works for now this is it it's like you remember the ot the prequels everything else he's like huh pay attention to our precious crystal fox boys instead that'll work we have we have pretty animals no i won't let them win and we see finn's rickety air speeder falling apart around him exactly and it was actually pretty good i was like oh man he's actually going to die for this honestly i would have given this movie like almost a fraction of a point just if they killed finn because that would have been like an actually cool scene well plus it means less finn in the next film i don't hate finn he's fine i was expecting to say like there's less but not minorities well personally well i mean hey john does have a point we need more white people back in star wars guys you gotta get rid of all the other ones clearly that's all you gotta get rid of the edges of color is that what you're saying um no the others are you saying are you saying this is a correlation between the amount of minorities in star wars and the quality of star wars wow because one goes up the other one decreases is that what you're saying look i'm just saying that the jewish media decides to put all of these all of these others did you notice that when they started adding actors of color into the series how many frogs that were gay started turning just a question i mean that's correlation does mean causation sometimes just say more minorities more plot holes exactly you could this is the point you could make that video and it would be as well researched as this fucking video yeah basically that's all it had to do i could just play random clips from star wars be manipulative that's all you have to do just just ignore what actually happens in the film sell your your agenda your appeal to every person who already agreed with this before even watch the video done and i'm serious if you actually made an argument for how the increase of diversity adds to the plot holes there's people out there who would watch that and say it's true someone said that though that's think it is true i'm not saying they're correlated but it is true someone in the chat said that the dag of a water made yoda gay but fin is so focused on striking a blow against the first order that he can't see how ineffective this strategy is how is it an effective it's not an effective stop it it's just lying it's not working understanding that his action amounts to a noble but senseless sacrifice rose steps in senselessly saves everybody i love how he just casually jumps over the fact that rose managed to get ahead of the guy who was at the front and then curve around and not shot by any of the fucking 8080s or whatever they're just looking at this happen there's a laser sir that's fine but i don't even looking they're all just like pointed forward let's do this in the uh well you can't see it on the stream but on the still that i'm looking at they're like just looking forward then they've been looking at rose and fin they don't think it looks down on the windows stuff right this is this is why it's problem that they create the scene the tension because the good guys are flying against all these these bad guys that are shooting we're like oh my goodness you know they're all going to get killed and then they literally switch off the 8080s just switch off and you're like oh basically okay a bit strange like i love that i hope he shows the clip where they land outside of the 8080s and you can just see that the 8080s essentially watching the scene like i wonder what's going to happen with these two like i wonder if they'll make it wait frank i want to see what they do in from himself almost kills them in the process he should have died that's all that could have happened like wouldn't it have just been hilarious if they both just exploded right there see you need more than independence day that's just one example of a guy who killed himself to kill the enemies framed as a way for men to prove their bravery that is a way for men to prove bravery it's not the only way well sacrifice not that this guy saves earth i'm gonna put some in controversial out there i disagree with macintosh to sacrifice yourself to save your family is quite brave i'm saying i know that's crazy and i know that i need to prove it i think no you have to know because um you have because women you can't do it because it's reckless there are convictions their love and even their manhood what does that have to do with manhood by the way this phase represents manhood obviously but you literally could have had that be a mother who is a good pilot i wouldn't have given a shit and they even established this earlier in independence day because he's the crazy guy he said he got abducted by aliens crazy and now he's like yeah guess what bitch no one believed me but there you know i get i just want more examples because it's always down to context every time there's been a someone in chat said borrow me and it's like well yeah yeah but you know like what was he gonna do right away it would have been really awkward actually but you know like it yes it was really brave because he died for two people that he didn't even really know just because it's the right thing to do he believed in the fellowship who were friends with the guy that he tried to steal the ring from like you need to put rad decoy does the epitome of masculinity with that screenshot of the shit he was doing on youtube or wherever it was and then just quote after a jonathan back at top everyone knows jonathan macketon the epitome of masculine absolutely oh yeah with that with that little voice he's got i still love that bit in independence day movies tend to romanticize images of men going out in a blaze of glory yeah just like they would for any woman it's people man they're making an agenda it's like look at them celebrating masculinity it's not like a world was just in every film where like you know the guys in like military like taking their heads that's off and screaming it's the best bit it's like yeah everybody gets to live now then someone in the room is like this is a bit toxic it's like the best scene in like the marshal that's filled shit wolf likes that film we get to we get to live uh the human race however have you considered the uh toxic masculinity that was displayed by randy quade when he saved the uh the world i'd like to clarify the the moment in which you save the world could you do it less masculinishly next time is could you apologize to um uh for offending the aliens that's it wait what even when their sacrifice well hang on that's not a sacrifice i mean i guess you could argue he could have lived instead of yeah he could have pulled her off the i think but one of only one of them could have lived and he chose to not overpower her basically which is what he could have done wow that's an interesting way to look at that uh i guess i only call her pointless if like you really buy it there's enough room for both of them to lie on it we're selling this bit it's like a masculinity thing okay wow like i just i mean he it's it's it's you know like he he you know he he's he would rather die so that she could live you know just it is self-sacrifice do you know what what is he arguing that we should have seen him go all the way to the bottom and then he floats back up a little bit further away gets on to a thing and he's like i'm okay actually he's like oh that's good oh i didn't see this i didn't see it and i liked she she floats towards him she's like do you see sacrifice is not the way and he's like no yeah i know i understand that i'm struggling to understand how you could even think i mean i can't think of a less masculine movie than titanic it's to be honest i'm just kind of this is such a strange two things titanic literally uses women and children first as an actual thing maybe that maybe that's in with the whole sacrifice thing i don't know is it got a third example i'm expecting a third or unnecessary unnecessary unnecessary yeah i don't follow wait how is this one unnecessary oh yeah he fucking blockades the entire area so that they can't be chased that was unnecessary he does this notion that death and violent death in particular is redemptive how many times you're gonna die a nonviolent death exactly he just wanted him to peacefully have a heart attack before he exploded wouldn't that still be kind of violent i don't know maybe i need to check the definition yeah it would restorative for men is so deeply ingrained in media that many angry fans are adamant that finn's misguided kamikaze attack would yeah but it's not misguided you're misguided you have no idea what happens in the scene the film gives us every reason to believe that it would work they give us no indication whatsoever that it would not work the characters believe it everyone i mean what in the film tells us that this is misguided in the sense that it won't work i guess the whole point that the movie is making he needs to tell me why it is that it's senseless and all he has is that one line of dialogue from poe where he's like it's not gonna work it's a suicide mission and it's like well yeah it would be if the 8080s continued to work but they don't this this film is so badly written it's really hard to make these points and i i understand macintosh i do but you've got to qualify your points otherwise they're worthless and telling me that you've accessed my heart figured out that i hate powerful women that teach men things and that i hate asian people or actors of color i don't believe you because i'm me so i know me better than you do have succeeded despite the film explicitly telling us otherwise no it doesn't though no it absolutely does not no he just said it's a suicide mission which is exactly what we thought it was yeah that's what everyone thinks because it is that's what it's supposed to be that's the plan you know the plan is you probably don't these fans are incensed that a woman got the big damn hero moment she did not get the hero moment rose she's not a hero she doomed the rebellion she literally killed everybody everyone in the theater hated this character because it's retarded what she did well he's arguing we hate her because she's the hero which again aliens ding i guess what to aliens it was this movie i don't hate her because she's a hero i hate the character because she's the character was retarded no you hate her because she's a hero stop it you're rude i hate her because she's asian just saying oh there you go macintosh you've got one out of four that's good enough and she got it in their view by robbing a male hero of his chance at martyrdom jesus christ what in the world what planet i i'm so glad that i don't see movies through this gendered lens everything's about everything is about fucking gender i just picture like what we're seeing right now he's seeing something completely different it's like a completely different film instead of clips he's just seeing this whole different thing which is like oh wow can we watch that i want to see what that is and it like makes sense like everything in his film actually plays out the way he describes it and we're just like oh yeah no i'm sorry but the film tells us that she's just killed the entire resistance of course i would never look at her as a hero for doing that that makes no sense and she did it selfishly if you remember she loves finn so she saved him instead of everyone else that's absolutely selfish yeah the game the the movie bait it get tries to get us to believe that she loves finn i guess i guess she does because i don't know because she does and stuff and unfit is like why did you do that and it's like yeah the whole audience feels that way why the fuck did you do that yeah i want to yeah like shut up let her answer i want to hear so why did you do that because i'm asian yeah it's retarded i mean it's honestly played off like a joke and you know one of the only way to make it better is if she said i saved the resistance and in the background we see every resistance character getting hacked away by stormtroopers with axes it's just blood everywhere she's like i saved the we saved bikini bottom she's like she's the villain of the film she was she's just looks at the cabard smiles at the end you know what i know never noticed oh no no dude we're doing luke now he's gonna do luke now go back to the x-wing real quick because you know what i haven't noticed about that shot martyrdom he just landed in the water hey you don't know that they might have been land there once upon a time and global warming fucked it you might have moved it there with the force come on everyone does that why would you move it into the water you know what you know what i'm gonna be cynical for a second his his ship ended up in the swamp in the originals because the fact that he swamps a little bit no that's what i'm saying ryan johnson was like submerged let's put it under the water because it was like that in the originals it's like look there's not even a way to climb up from that cliff yeah but he can use the force to fly layer care that's true he probably used that really big fishing stick in fairness they always had big jumping abilities didn't they the jedi there you go look at this massive sharpen wooden stick in the single piece on this island with no trees all right when ray finally meets her hero her hero he doesn't she doesn't even know he existed yesterday i just love the fact that he said when ray finally meets her hero it's just focused on the ladle on the alien not on louis so it's like oh so that's what she wanted i was a hero she expected luke skywalker has become a cynical old hermit yes that's true a man so consumed by fear and guilt that he's turned his back on the resistance uh i'm not sure it's i'd say consumed by fear and guilt like i said his main reason is that the jedi aren't good that's that's the main pieces of his position in the film he's like jedi are bad just as bad as a sith and it makes no sense wouldn't say it's not in the chat that yesterday han solo was her hero she flits between heroes rose teego will be a hero that episode died it's like uh well oh yeah she just flipped switches which hero it is depending on who dies like i said she was not aware that luke actually existed hours ago oh no wait next movie it's gonna be lando yeah one once you go lando you never go back oh needless to say i like that luke um closed himself off from the force and you'll find in many interviews mark hamill that's the part that he doesn't he never gets he's always like why would i prevent myself from being able to communicate with leia i don't get it it's like i know man i know it's okay it's just we just have to accept it it's what happened now that's hey this comes as a tremendous shock both to rey and to the audience yeah that's true like rey many star wars fans were expecting luke to appear as a triumphant badass the one they remember or rather misremember from the original trilogy misremember misremember here we go what fucking movies are you watching is luke was never really depicted as a great jedi warrior yeah he was not a great warrior because he asked han solo to reach for his lightsaber there you go proof that did he actually think that proves that i guess wow i would have used uh him getting shot in the hand when he was fighting on the barge just to be like he wasn't a great warrior he got here are losing his hand on cloud city yeah but he got a reference episode six i mean you can't go with five because that's not the end of the story but again it's all manipulative it's completely manipulative that's the point because imagine he said he wasn't a great jedi warrior and then he showed the clip of him beating vader he'd be like all right yeah i better not show that one when luke says this i think what i'm gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down you know i really hate the fact that he even called it a laser sword everyone hates that but not to measure dude just like help us beat them do you think i'm gonna go and fight them all one via hundred it's like no help us that he ends up fighting the one via hundred with kylo and stuff you know stoke all that yeah and again as people point out it's like that's what he actually does in the end of the film so if the film is trying to tell us that's ridiculous and then actually has it happened it's like okay thanks i guess his words are a reaction to raise assumptions but those lines can also raise assumption was that he would help not that he would defeat the entire first order you read as a response to fan expectations someone in the chest said i'm a like earlier oh no not not more wizard examples it's assumed that hollywood would be the lord of the race especially men will grow exponentially more you don't know do you get gandalf's gender that's offensive okay gandalf is like literally pretty much an angel in the actual lore so it's like um yeah he's not just a guy he's not even just like a wizard in the sense like he's an old guy that can use magic i mean he's like literally like a completely different being in himself yeah he doesn't even remember his past exploits clearly he's like wait oh yeah that was that was gandalf the gray he literally transcends into a higher being from that whole space wizard space wizard of the west over time the expectation is that once a man has conquered his demons those demons will stay conquered forever i disagree but that's still you can't just tell us that everything that came back to him happened off screen that's bullshit yeah yeah it's all because it's all because i was hammered not because that's what happened literally of a conclusion luke could have actually been you know a literal like i was gonna i want to say he could be a completely different character but that is what we got so um he could be a completely different character as long as we saw the progression because the fact is luke in episode six and luke in episode four are very fucking different but we saw that journey yeah that's the that's the key that everyone seems to just ignore we missed an entire trilogy never but even though luke rejected the dark side back in imagine a trilogy where luke fights and does everything right but eventually everything just fucking screws up and he gives up it's like you could eat you know that alone it's like you can write that that would be fucking good if you write it well i mean what maybe laugh was um back when like uh if it's gone down to the stars it's coming back and my car was all about how you like lost like some like 60 or 80 odd pounds like to get back into like some decent shape and like i didn't expect him to be like doing like all the jumps and flips and all that shit what you know but at the same time i didn't expect him to be like stood planted on an island and just so cool the fucking time that was it you know yes it's odd and and he does complain about that himself right he's like you didn't need me to lose all that way if i was just gonna stand still someone actually made the made the picture on um twitter the epitome of masculinity by john macintosh if there's anyone you need to trust about the epitome of masculinity it's john macintosh the person who said he would not mourn for osama bin laden's death his struggle to resist the temptation of absolute power isn't whoa what the struggle to resist absolute power i i don't think that's what even the film was saying i think the film was saying that he's concerned i'm gonna have to hear that again because that's that's luke rejected the dark side back in return of the jedi i'll never turn to the dark side his struggle to resist the temptation of absolute power isn't over that's not what happens he's concerned that kylo's gonna kill his family that's what actually happens yeah it's not about his personal power at all i don't think it's hinted at that is a complete complete misread that's not what happens i have no idea where he's drawing that from i will not turn to the dark side or i'm trying to think of some mine or some scene that that has him portrayed in that way but and even when he's talking to ray he never brings up the point of i'm getting too powerful it's all it's never about me it's about the jedi yeah the jedi are bad it's just not what happened i can't be too powerful it's the problem with these videos that's not what happened you didn't watch the film properly you and even then he says the jedi aren't powerful enough they weren't powerful enough to stop the sith it's not that they were too powerful by the way that's the only time you're ever gonna catch me saying you watched a film wrong is when you literally recant a film that never happened that's that's when i'll say you probably watched it wrong it's like i enjoyed in the last jedi when winnie the pooh teamed up with donkey and shrek to defeat the evil emperor who came back for some reason i thought he was dead in episode six but he's just back and you're like um i don't think i don't think that happened but i understand that's fair that's a moment of pure instinct i thought i could stop it yeah he thought he could stop because this is the thing i'm actually defending ryan johnson's script here i'm like no he was trying to explain that luke was concerned that kyla was gonna cause the kind of damage that vaderwood or did and that he could stop it here and now i still don't think it's uh enough to get luke to do what he did in this scene that macintosh is showing it isn't it isn't a scene that has a power hungry luke who's drunk on his abilities like that's not the luke that they portray luke isn't trying to be super super powerful like even the scene that macintosh is showing here doesn't doesn't uh add to that it shows a i think even ryan johnson ryan johnson would say that luke in no way uh has his power hungry that's the point that's one of the cause of his character he's not about gaining power to have power over other people that's nothing to do with luke what movie is this guy watching he's still scared of the darkness hiding inside himself yeah that's that's you buddy just as he was as a young man back on dega but that's not the same you just said the two and three of the same number but he showed a clip guys he showed a clip although this older version of luke skywalker is consistent with his characterization from the original it's literally the opposite how could it possibly be considered consistent at all oh my god how could you most people best argument that you can come up with most people that even like this film will admit of course he's completes 180 on his character but it's explained that's usually the cabinet they're not going to deny that he's in character they're going to deny the reasons are bad yeah that everybody agrees luke is not luke like he's a completely different character but it's it makes sense because yeah nobody thinks this guy is the same as the guy from episode six because he's literally not the same at all i don't know this is bizarre angry fans still believe that the last jet you see it's a angry fans it's all they're angry they're upset it's their feelings there's no reason for it they're just angry it's nice because it just makes you know like what you could argue a synonym of angry almost it's like unreasonable right it's like he's trying to imply that it's like they're not they're not thinking they're just angry yeah watch a video of me not doing any thinking that i represents a downgrading of his power and his status clearly not really wanted he's still incredibly powerful as this film shows apparently remember kylo is like if you project yourself across the whole world it'll kill you and then luke does it and then dies and we're like oh oh oh is that i was really hoping for one of those porgs to like get itself killed tries to swallow the lightsaber it activates it just goes while the other one's tapping the buttons on it yeah i didn't see you the fan fury is exacerbated by the fact that it's a young untrained female jedi no it's just the fact that she's young and untrained anything to do with it being female what is wrong with you if she's a woman why do you keep making it about gender you sexist like how like you know it's not my fault that she's you know a terrible actress can't shut her mouth and has the worst character you could ever be applied to film but it's like hey you don't even need to make a male version because ray could be a guy's name i mean honestly stop comparing it to women because the woman part isn't the issue it's the fact that she's completely like five days ago less than five days before this scene she had no idea that the force was real had no idea luke skywalker was real doesn't make any sense that she's is proficient with the forces she is has nothing to do with her being female don't yeah i can't say enough how much it doesn't have anything to do with being female it just doesn't i mean honestly alien is like one of my favorite movies ever and the main character is female ding stop and sing my favorite movie of all time is an all asian cast there are no live people that's a lie all right they could identify as white that's also it has to be a lie because what he's just this is the other thing right you know everyone gets really riled up at our channels for being objective they're like they think that what they're saying is different it's like how could you not interpret what this guy is saying is definitively fact he's literally like laying this out as if it's just true it's not it bugs me the all he has to do is right at the end go that's my opinion but you know all the channels that i've watched from geeks and gamers to world-class bullshitters and everybody in between never how i ever heard oh she's a woman and that's the that's some sort of argument against the character i've never ever heard this in my life aliens every time aliens if anything they always uh preface it that it's not a problem with the women it's the problem with the character herself yeah because fucking idiots like macintosh make these videos i'm like oh yeah it's because they're sexy i love how they have to pretend as well that laia just doesn't exist in the ot they're just like no it was han and luke and some other guy called lee i think like seriously in almost every single serious video i've ever made i think i almost always referenced alien and aliens like even to the point where even the last video i made i was like i know i always use this as an excuse but ripley's awesome you don't have to wait for the video essay from macintosh where he's like people only like aliens because she's essentially a guy in that film what it'll happen i mean she's she's literally not it doesn't matter he literally made up a scene oh did he's oh he's gotta go goodbye alex yes he he probably got work quite early because he has to travel a lot so and yeah he probably didn't expect us to spend two hours and 20 minutes not even finishing this video but there we are has it really been two and a half hours already yes seriously yes no way yes no way it's started like 440 right so challenges no it's been about an hour and 20 minutes no no it's i've got a counter what my stream is two hours before 40 we we we've been on the chat tell us tell us how long we've been sitting here talking about this shitty macintosh it's been two hours i would say okay no it because we started at 440 it is now six o'clock 20 minutes will take you to five another hour will take you to six so it's been an hour and 20 minutes i don't care for your logic because i have a stream counter that has a little second stream counter is wrong two hours chat is saying two hours two hours it's two hours and we've gone through 16 minutes of macintosh that's because that's because so much of it is fucking wrong so long it takes to break down this is like how wrong it is oh no wait we started at 340 there you go those are there you go on his failures so second just second wolf let me let me if if you're in chat and you're a woman please correct wolf there you go correct me young woman reprimand the great luke skywalker it's not what happens if she was wrong she did hashtag wolf is wrong type that in the chat we all do she directly confronts him and inspires or is that yoda oh yeah yoda's more the character that actually does it than ray you definitely right on that you need to speak to ryan johnson macintosh because you misrepresent this film yeah because you're not could you not make the shitty movie shittier it's like it's shitty it's a terrible film enough to where it could stand on its own awfulness on its own merits you don't have to make stuff up about it to make it worse jonathan tell it like it is it's terrible later on yoda offers guidance to me okay yoda literally that's kind of a big scene luke's angle is i'm going to explode the jedi tacks die and everything will be over and then yoda's like i'll explode them for you but go go fight go fight go on go teach ray that being a failure is okay and that's there you go hashtag walk to ray who opens the door for luke to overcome his paralyzing self doubt yeah what you just showed us a clip of him finally reconnecting with leia not realizing his self doubt just clarifying for you because obviously you didn't see the film i'm just helping you out so instead of seeing the old jedi master teaching ray how to wield the awesome power of the force audiences are treated to scenes in which ray reminds luke what it means to be a jedi yeah because he arbitrarily forgot apparently it was just like yes he was just like yeah jedi no no better than the sith and it's just like what i like now this the second time where some somebody shows up with with no reason to either exist or have knowledge of something telling somebody who should know better who has i don't know i this parallel that he's drawn between luke luke should know more than anybody else but ray who has no knowledge about the force or the jedi or anything who just days ago thought they were they weren't even real they were a myth and to clarify shows up if ray was a guy and luke was a girl this scene would be just as bad just just in case macintosh doesn't quite get that galaxy may need a legend of course ray isn't a more powerful jedi than luke and she ends up being wrong about her ability to fix kylo ren i is that you're gonna make a point about that more than just saying that because it just again it's the whole she's just too nice is her uh yeah she she believes too much in goodness and she's not wrong kylo's suggestion is that we get rid of both teams if you remember and her saying no makes him go evil again which is just another problem for his character arc that makes no sense but she wasn't wrong she just didn't get what she wanted i mean think of how interesting it could have been because kylo wants to get rid of them both luke at one point is like yeah let's get rid of them both and i'm like okay that could have been interesting if they did something with that but i guess yeah like luke and kylo actually like shake hands on this idea and ray's like no the resistance to the good guys and then luke kylo like i'm sorry ray it has to be done we need to stop this war from continuing or something like that like yeah ooh you know yeah they take this pragmatic sort of um approach to it that's less idealistic it's like yeah ray maybe but the reality is that this has to stop like look what look what i spent so much of my life doing and look where things are now but she does possess something that he's lost ray still has hope yeah i knew it was gonna be hope it's always hope hope because it's just so nebulous like hope it's so beautiful everyone has hope he still has conviction and she still has clarity of purpose clarity of purpose i'm pretty sure he's clear on his purpose he wants to die he says that to us very clearly yeah the idea that a young woman like ray that's a deleted scene yeah i know a deleted scene he likes using his deleted scenes do they yeah like something important to teach a older mythic male hero like luke skywalker is erroneously viewed by some male fans as a masculating um it's because she doesn't earn the fucking uh winning against luke just to clarify in the definition so a masculine is just depriving a man of his role or identity like i wonder um if if ray's literally like usurping him and that doesn't count i just would like him to give me an example of an emasculation just give me an example just so i know what he considers it to be because obviously he's got a slightly different interpretation yes it's worth pointing out that angry fan defensiveness isn't necessarily you see it's an angry fan defensiveness that's all this there's no reasonable people they're all just angry there's no reason for any this there's no way to explain at all there's no way to formulate an argument for it it's just angry men angry white men as he said two minute mark just angry white men but that's that's his shtick that's identity politics and i don't have any actual arguments i mean yeah i would make shit up and just call people thing i'd be surprised if he didn't throw that in especially like he's he came from feminist frequencies channel like how could he not throw that in he was like the writer like all that shit she says is basically him just a reaction to women existing in popular science fiction existing women existing in popular are you kidding me this is this whole this is what people on the internet do like you if you don't agree with me or some facet about me that if there's some part about me you don't like that means you don't want me to exist like you're denying me my existence he could at least have said they don't like women in power roles and i could be like oh he said existing now just that they make me resist now that angry fan defensiveness isn't necessarily just a reaction to women existing in popular science fiction stories aliens i would love to get an example of this aliens that's popular science fiction story you dumbass i have no like one of the most influential sci-fi horror movies ever one of the most influential horror movies ever absolutely i don't understand where he gets i mean i i don't even know if he believes it i guess he believes bullshit that's terminator i mean that's he's making it up because we could have mentioned more examples but the reason we only went with aliens it's just like i knew that aliens was just gonna counter every single point in this video because thank you james camera for creating that film because with alien she's only the protagonist in like the last third of the film up till then it's like between her and dallas and it's like hmm who is the main character but like in aliens she's absolutely the protagonist and she fucking grows like crazy in that film so like it's it's such a great just fuck you to people like this that film exists to prove the wrong included alongside male heroes in a way that doesn't overshadow an upstage or interfere with traditional experts we're saying that Jurassic world is bad in that department because the woman doesn't upstage the man i mean the Jurassic world is horrendous but does it not for that i just want to ask my kintosh like oh so she should have upstaged the the hunter that is perfectly experienced with wrangling dinosaurs in the job of trying to find a dinosaur when she's just a park owner is that what you were looking for that's a male versus female thing that's not actually just a inverted expectations yes of course expressions of masculinity let's do one thing straight i'm in charge out here you do everything i say exactly as i say it and that line is because he's trying to keep her alive not because he hates her because she's a woman just like if i if i'm going hiking and i've never gone hiking before in an expert trail guide uh search and rescue qualified navy seal is with me and he's like do what i say i'm like yeah you bet you don't have you don't even have to tell me if you were a woman in that scenario you would be offended that's what that's what macintosh is arguing he's trying to mansplain her just relax then we don't see these same kind of extended temper cantrums from male fans especially if the female characters in question there's a female character right there she's right he knows he must know that reloading the glock you idiot i don't must account for that it must be a part of his point there's no way you can miss black widow's existence and conventionally attractive oh wait wait wait wait don't tell her i'm gonna need to reset a bit you can't possibly say the words conventionally attractive that's offensive isn't it yeah because you can't call ugly chicks ugly don't see these same kind of extended temper tantrums from male fans especially if the female characters in question are cast as young white and conventionally attractive oh wow oh we don't care because they're hot and white oh gosh dudes how do how do people not like just choke on watching these videos like but it's first it's the temper tantrums also he just said the rose isn't attractive conventionally he just said by saying that she's asian and i guess i guess in some universe white people white men don't find asian women attractive like the people who watch these videos how are these not incredibly offensive because like you know like i said i can get over it because it's just it's fucking we get this shit every day from other content creators but like listening to this should be like oh what a fucking idiot yeah the normal people like the normal people who watch this video you're like he's talking about you he's saying you have no problem with black widow in marvel because she's conventionally attractive and white if she was asian you would hate her we guys remember right before this they show a hot white chick you guys remember in rogue one the two asian characters in in their team in rogue one you know rogue one was loved by the majority of star wars people when it came out same for false awakens i'm not denying that um there was the there was two asian people in the in their team there was i'm pretty sure there was a bunch of um actors of color as i'm supposed to refer to them yeah the asian guys he was what was he was he like samoan or something not sure but the what all i'm trying to say is that they exist existed in that film and no we had a problem no one cared no one had a problem no had a problem with lando no had a problem with um what's his face in terminator two the the cei i mean it's just also the idea the idea is like there's nothing to say about black widow's character writing versus rose ticos there's just nothing to say they're both the same it's more about who they were cast it's about donnie is about their race and their gender that's the important part that's the part we need to focus on people it's it's so backwards these videos never make any sense to me civil war for starters insulted black widow as a character she's not actually one dimensional or anything she's got a bunch of it's like an insult to every good female character so he won't he won't consider you if you're white it's really fucked up like he's really upset she's white and hot the last jedi isn't satisfied with simply leader was white and she wasn't particularly it goes much further and puts female characters in positions of institutional power institutional we were fine with that leia was out overpowering luke anhan in the original she outranked them she was a princess slash general and that's okay that was fine we don't have a problem with that it's okay aliens she is a monarchal ruler or moral authority over male heroes the movie then has those women leverage that power to challenge and ultimately force change in men's behavior no that was yoda yeah that was yoda sorry no that was that was yoda is almost unheard of in a major block but yeah aliens ding ding ding aliens aliens aliens aliens 30 years ago aliens did it well you just need to see more films macintosh you apparently have only seen the last jedi and maybe one of the film i don't know tron and the titanic they're the three films you see someone's pointing out someone's pointing out apparently ray's not white and attractive oh yeah so i i don't understand why black widow is in ray aren't and then before that before he even points out the black widow thing it's that chick from drassic world like she's white and attractive he's just described nagging you can't say that aliens are on the ot yeah just aliens aliens aliens this he needs to see aliens yeah what about mad max charlie's there in super hot that doesn't count anything that goes against the narrative doesn't count in the end our three male heroes face up to their mistakes and overcome their failures ho learns from leah and holdo to put aside his desire for heroic short-term gains let's go and instead consider the bigger picture that's what he did the first time at the beginning of the movie that's why they got to this point in the film because he did that not to mention by the way if you'd cut out the entire film and told us the scenario is you're inside this building the entire first order outside and luke is going to go face them and then you played the scene i could have believed it because i just be like yeah po didn't it's not out of character for po to decide we should escape instead of fight them when there's 20 of us yeah let's find another day that is a completely normal thing to say and do yeah that's only through rose's moral insights that finne comes to believe in something bigger than himself he already believed in something bigger than himself when he tried to kill himself for the resistance you idiot you already admitted that and even at the beginning of the film when he goes to try and save rey that's bigger than himself that's somebody else that's a selfless act let's hear him fuck up luke's then as well it's an inspiring luke to be the best version of himself again no that's yoda that's yoda no no you you mac mac watch the wrong film we see it through his eyes and when yoda when yoda is like the best teacher failure is he just sees rey this is rey the whole time yeah i don't know why rey's talking funny but why is rey rey green this weird she's rey why'd you get so short the catchphrase of this episode is yoda did that because the thing is too that rey summoning lightning from the sky wouldn't really be out of character for her power level no she could do that yeah and ultimately to do the exact thing he mocked her for earlier in the film luke does indeed end up walking out with a laser sword and facing down the whole first order there's not all of them there's probably some left in the ship that they came from assuming that's a thing but you gotta get these things right macintosh that's terrible despite what the reactionary conspiracy theorists claim this despite what the reactionary conspiracy theorists claim that's a line isn't it just label them label them away label and dismiss label and dismiss is not an agenda of masculine inferiority you've just described masculine inferiority throughout this whole fucking video apart from yoda of course because yoda did it yeah that's what we brought up earlier is like this this is a conspiracy but i'm gonna make a whole video on why it's true and he explains that it's a male fantasy to be obsessed with sacrificing yourself the greater good and you get taught that that's toxic or or not the right way and then he says this is not about deconstructing you know male fantasy shit it's just like didn't i thought that was your point where it's like they want to remove everything that makes anything good kill it anything is just Jesus what a terrible fucking video women in the last jedi hold their male counterparts accountable useless not kind of in a month i know it's such a string it's such an art thing they're like how cool does that look that looks sci-fi and it's like what why is why is it covered up like that but because they genuinely care about no they don't she got a lot of people killed no hold on got an insane amount of people killed for no reason i don't know at best it's for no reason at worst it's because she was doing all the things that she accused po of doing yeah that should have been cut because it just it makes everything even more confusing oh gosh this justifies the deaths of all these people because i like po okay though the people who died probably don't feel that way general male heroes are not being diminished or erased in in fact a lot of time and effort is devoted to giving men transformative arcs what what well we've already gone through exactly why that's just not true on all three counts so yeah we the last jedi is a story about men learning to trust women's ideas and no my god this is an actual scene in the film trusting women's ideas what what is holders idea literally nothing your idea is just don't tell them anything and then they will learn like remember how go to struggled to move one of these boulders and she's just like oh yeah i'm just gonna move the fucking mountain side i always love i hope he shows it her expression when she's doing it she looks so like this is annoying decisions and then becoming better people and better heroes because of it she's just like come on and while that might be an unexpected message for a star war story it's a vital lesson that men man that is a lot of boulders is malware is an insane amount of power yeah we need to contact monday matt get him on this this is some top boulder quality shit here i think he'd like this film she might not even if we are to achieve so easy that was the clue by the way that he was going to turn on the star wars fandom that was about right there because remember monday matt shouting this film but then he was like defending it when uh or he's defending against the anger in the uh the star wars community once they'd announced that luke was coming back or something again there are there's somehow 2300 people are watching this catastrophe if any of you have that that that monday matt video send it to one of us please send it to one of us email it to us or or send it to us on our discords or something just come on please i want it so much i wanted matt matt if you're watching this video and you're look and you're looking at this part right now keep it in the pants buddy oh awesome at fuck you you piece of also fuck you also stop buying subscribers do you just say gender equality it doesn't it oh man he's getting away unexpected message for a star wars story he is matt it's a vital lesson that men need to learn if we are to achieve gender equality lesson men need to learn to achieve gender equality is that okay let's be honest macintosh it would be bad for you if we achieved gender equality because there'd be nothing for you to fucking talk about anymore he'd find some way well there's nothing to talk about here he just made no i'm pretty much implying if it was like that from his perspective his career would be over so of course he doesn't want that yeah but his career is basically making shit up so yeah thanks for watching these video essays take a ridiculous love how soft he's being video thanks for watching look at the way he's doing it what's his voice always this retarded sounding because i mean i'm being honest it reminds me of just right the way that just right speaks it's uh it's the soft essay voice this is seriously a thing loads of essays do it it basically it's a different screen it's the difference for me talking like this and the difference between me talking like this that's the essay voiced and the thing is this whole video was terrible it was full of things that were just completely wrong and he contradicts himself multiple times it doesn't make any sense it was awful this was a terrible video was it worse no merit whatsoever was it worse than the plot holes one oh that's tough that is tough i'd say the plot holes one because that wasn't yeah because the plot holes one is um general assessment of film so it's much much more damage if you were to actually say it was influential this is just for one movie it was like but i i'd still say the plot holes one yeah this is more this is more condensed autism not to mention this is also jonathan macintosh and it's just kind of expected that he's retarded yeah he's got a reputation gain some weight man he just talked about how conventionally attractive people get attracted people get hated on look at you hating on him because he's yeah he likes donuts he's not conventionally or unconventionally attractive he is neither maybe we do we need a weapon we got through it according to me it would talk about two hours and 20 minutes to cover a 20 minute video we added two hours on to it it was it was such a it was such high density wrongness how are we doing for both of you guys how much time do you reckon you both got left we can do another yeah shorter one i was gonna i was gonna say we're gonna take a break with jarred and then go back to a different essay to add to the law but i was gonna say i'll read out some of these um super chats as i've let them stack up a little bit uh i remember where i was oh there i think that was it yeah what solo movies would you actually watch so i'm assuming they're talking about anthology films like what ones would you be interested in you guys got any ideas or sorry sorry sorry what so like you know how they've got a movie for han solo a movie for potentially bob a fair movie for obi one what ones would you want to see i would want to see the boba fat one because it would be hard to fuck up all they have to do they're pretty good at fucking shit up they are good i'm not it's not i won't put it past them but all they have to do is just make just a fucking john wick style just he goes around and is a badass that's all they have to do and people will love it i think my my answer would be i would accept i would accept a solo movie about literally anything or one in the universe if it was just a really awesome film that's what i want i don't really care if it's about x y i was if it was a guarantee of a good film and i get to choose the character i probably would go with something like well maybe dathmore maybe obi one maybe both of them put him into a movie where they have to resolve something because he's obviously still alive in canon now but yeah i'm just looking for a good film it doesn't have to be determined because you know you could be like let's have an x person film and then it's awful so it's like uh dexter's diner is star wars story i mean who wouldn't watch that uh rose is only there to appeal to the asian demographic um that didn't work if that was the case yeah the chinese they didn't uh they did not see this movie they they did not watch this film and then they watched solo even less the watch transformers but they won't watch this exactly because they will watch pippicus mcduppington donated a five dollars if i crash the speeder on papers is it still an accident yes but no but i don't know it's it's it's complicated we have to get like a a ruling on that from somebody uh luke thinking of killing kyla doesn't bother me nearly as much as his total abandonment of everything to the sith lord well yeah that's that's a big issue i have is the fact that uh no matter what's going on with luke it doesn't fucking matter because the sith lords are currently destroying the universe or you know killing everybody and it's like yeah the jedi in some ways are just as bad as the siths like shut the fuck up dude you need to go and like stop them please just like now that you know in some ways the jedi caused the sith which funnily enough if he actually defeated all of the sith and then dissolved the jedi i could see that being somewhat reasonable but um not while the sith are running around you kind of need a bit of help with that one this is like the check off's gun trope the fact that nobody shows doubt finns attack would work is proof that it would work in script writing logic um they tell us it would work and then he says don't do it because you're gonna die to be able to pull it off and so that was telling the audience that now they can't even do it in a way that would prevent their deaths but uh they will still do it and that's why we thought it was a sacrifice and then she does the thing and we're like oh um my head cannon is that kylo is controlling is is controlling rose at at pilot said should i shoot them and he says no this is going to be hilarious i mean how could it not be hilarious to literally watch thin drag roses body across that entire field i imagine all of the 8080s will laugh in their asses off watching that they were just eating popcorn like let's see if he drops it he's gonna get tired right i would be tired by now uh movie so bad uh ryan johnson didn't bother to direct the at walkers so we meant to shoot down mr johnson no this is roses big moment well that would be direction though wouldn't it he totally directed them um you guys hear about boogie 2988 being dog piled on by the sjw's for criticizing riot games for excluding men from a panel i've heard about that i saw it yeah apparently the league of legends the the league community was very upset with the packs thing as well in fact basically everybody that i've ever seen has been really upset with how um how they how do they handle that because there's like a thread isn't there where they're like we're not excluding men we're simply offering um a platform for the demographics of our community that are often marginalized or something like that and then like so you're excluding me but they literally said they excluded men yeah and they haven't they got the thing where they're like women are allowed and people who identify as female as well and i was just like oh is this one of those loophole moments where i could turn up and be like yeah i identify as female and they're like you do and i'm like i'm the amazing bearded lady and it's offensive to deny me and they're like okay i'm unconventionally beautiful oh that's perfect right you could actually say it uh did you ever check out movie bob's views on the movie absolutely insufferable i did and it's exactly what i expected gandalf tricked his party to leave so he can hoggle the xp for the balrog kill i agree that's how he evolved he did say swords uh are no more use here and then he killed the balrog with sword they like that's the first thing they ask him they were like did you actually hog the xp and he's like no what do you mean i mean i don't know man you leveled up you leveled up pretty far you seem really powerful doubt he's like um that's just um and they look they open his character sheet he's put loads of points i just i just respect what i've got i um i didn't actually get and that's what he was like you know i don't really remember what even happened who are you guys again i i think this is an older profile where i was at a higher rank i brought it in because my new profile got killed thanks to you guys they're like oh okay okay uh luke thinking oh wait sorry uh in episode nine l3 kills off life support to rose for not being robotic enough that could happen i i'm roses isn't the right kind of feminist i'm con i'm concerned that they're gonna bring back l3 in episode nine because the fact that she's in the falcon like you'll hear her voice and he'll be like oh no didn't they like just recently start filming so it's totally possible that that's the case yep yep double yep wonderful if you don't believe in gender roles in the end it doesn't matter if the character is basically a man because anyone could be anything anyway that's about that confuses me you know about their their position on gender roles isn't the whole point that they they have to put the beginning like typical gender roles or expected gender roles because they they don't want to promote the idea of gender roles right they they basically if they could they would remove gender yeah but they like they would they they wouldn't have it be a thing they're they're trying to remove the the the gap between the differences that are genders it's very confusing um how many fans are black women do we have to find who dislike the movie to disprove his point about angry white male fans it doesn't matter it'll never matter it's just nonsense data to these people it doesn't matter it's funny because um that's something that me and wolf uh got to talk about with um jeff on will class bilges because he was like he gets that criticism a lot and he's not white neither um he's got a panelist that's black who often criticizes obviously when we criticize the film with fringy as well and it's just like these things don't matter to them we're all white to them because it's like now if your white is like a bad thing which is uh it's like they're trying to convey the word white into the same meaning as like idiot or asshole yeah bad is that being white is a pejorative it's like it's like shut the f*** up white and you're like what so oh um uh yeah good yeah uh super chance yeah yeah yeah picking on the scarlet joe hansen that's all it says this is a donation i think he donated out of agar of the picking on scarlet joe had some of us to bid it how do they everyone hates playing as ryu and chun li oh yeah it that's a street fight there was a street fighter characters oh i know the street fighter characters but like what is um inaction they're white oh good point although it was the worst character in star wars she's never heard of a commander's intent to chain of command shares information to reduce chances of mistakes like the one gender studies pulled thank you all again for ripping this video apart this was therapy to me keep up the good work all may the Schwartz be with you well thank you and yeah we got a shit ton of requests to cover this one which is why we knew we had to open with it because it was like everyone's wanted it because they were tagging us in this video for like two weeks it's awful i can see why it's f***ing terrible love the unbridled reviews please help i've watched the last Jedi critique seven times sorry yeah i mean that's like years yeah that's i think two years exactly so good job uh the obi one movie has proven actor and potential movie plot in obi one leaning to become one with the force and protecting luke again it could be terrible you just got to get the right like what if they told you that ryan johnson was directing and writing then you f***ed you would he would make obi one he his only goal is to make something that you don't expect so you're basing an interest on expectations i will say that jonathan macintosh did not subvert my expectation this was this was exactly as f***ing stupid as i thought it would be as is as is customary good question for macintosh why was holdo's suicide okay but fins wasn't because she's a woman like literally how could he possibly reconcile that that is a good question but i think it's because she's a woman and so the gender dynamics are different or something oh either way that is the end of me reading the superchast which means i think it's which means we get to ask um what do you guys feel about uh cavill being uh uh gerald bad no wolf's not happy about that i am on the fence i i am absolutely um under the camp that it should have been nick lash castor williams no man kevin sorbo why would you pick f***ing kevin sorbo daddy he's hercules he's also the f***ing retarded christian or atheist guy from god's not dead yeah but he's hercules yeah but he's hercules he's also like f***ing retarded looking so no but he's he's unconventionally attractive okay yeah no he's unconventionally retarded is what he is madz michelson that could be a good one madz michelson would be pretty good i i okay henry cavill i'm i'm i'll give i i don't think he could be good i mean i've he just doesn't look i mean for me it's like if you don't look the part and you don't sound the part that i'm not really going to support you being the part now it's better than what i previously thought it was because there was audition tapes that were released and the guy who played uh uh bucky from captain america was gonna be it and i was like this is i you may as well cast a black guy because it would be more accurate um but that's something that they that i heard some people saying that they should do well i'm not surprised that didn't happen to be i'm surprised that didn't happen because you know that's that would just fit in with everything else that's going on i mean yeah i i don't like the fact that it's henry cavill it seems like a terrible casting choice i understand but i am pretty much on rags team of like we'll have to see what they do and obviously i won't have a sure but i mean honestly i already think they're gonna fuck it up anyway so here look at him from look at him here in that picture from uh mission impossible like he could he could be girls i've seen like some like really shitty photo shops of him where he's actually got like a garyl beard and hair um maybe i would have the voice is gonna be a big thing because if he doesn't nail the garyl voice then it's gonna be it's not gonna be good i i felt bad that we kept showing a macintosh's face so i've changed it yeah we're talking about a real man now this is the peak of masculinity it's it's gonna be hard for because if they if they don't cast yen and dandelion and everyone else right either it's it's gonna be fucked up especially yen that's gonna be a big part of it siri was a kid in the book so we will expect a wolf i have to find this on a wolf video coming out as soon as that series is released i think oh yeah stay with uh lord of the rings and the wheel of time once all those shows come out i'm definitely gonna be looking at them i gotta get through more of the wheel of time books i only read the first one but to make you feel better wolf it better not fuck that up make you feel better do you want to check out our lord and saviors latest update about having friends yes let's let's let's do it let's do it the writers for the witcher are apparently super sjw too so that's great yeah that that's that's why i don't think it's gonna be a good show oh yeah at this point at this point i i don't expect it to be good the fish tags back fish tank i don't even want to try and guess what that thing on his bed is in front of it but just oh yeah i mean you've got the drum set you've got the arm and hammer do right in its place right where it always is the ninja turtles thing on the dresser it's all all's right with the world all right let's hear some some neat advice that's just everyone has a going guys it's jerry jenesis so i think that this isn't a important thing to cover because i feel like a lot of people can all that's quiet i've got it on the maximum for that no you got to do the volume thingy yeah i have it's the both of full and it's still pretty great yeah we'll adjust the uh adjust the slider on the video itself yeah that's all together really jeez because it's really loud for me did you try it's not really loud but it's fairly loud did you try clicking the the audio thingy in the corner towards red well yeah i clicked it and i just went for the one that was loudest anyway because sometimes it screws up but it was actually red this time around so quiet jared why do you do this to me why should don't deny us the sound of your voice he wants us to listen how's it going guys so i think that this is an important thing to cover because i feel like a lot of people may struggle with this people who may not want to admit it but i think this is a problem so-called problem for a lot of people um so-called problem i just want to say right now that like i don't really have any friends the stream in general has been really low yeah i don't know how to fix it everything is highest on my end even even the people aside from me obviously i've lowered myself significantly but i don't know how to make everyone louder system side instead of like browser side because like i said everything's on maximum so it's just really strange but uh it's like i need every person who's viewing the stream to install the um the thing on the browser it's like if you guys will do that it'll be fine but yeah i don't know if it's loud enough but it seems like it seems like everybody's responding to it so it looks like they must be able to hear it everyone's like maxed volume for this yep do talk to a lot of people um some people that i have known for a while i just don't talk too frequent my mom my dad so his dad plays his drums still yep that's true what part is he he hits the drums that's true it he doesn't exactly play him he doesn't play him he gets him while jared shows his like hanging stomach yeah to me a friend is someone i guess the world's definition of a friend is something the world's who's that as a as opposed to mine does he read the dictionary the world's definition we need some sad music to go along with this yeah someone who you talk to on a frequent basis you know maybe someone that you see in real life and comes over to your house and hangs out and you i don't know watch tv and drink beer that to me i guess is what a friend is will you try to do sad music the matter is if you think about it friends come and go most people don't have the same friends their entire life so in reality those people you know were once friends but no longer now they're just strangers again he's not wrong yeah he's right yeah you you meet new people and you you lose and gain people that are close to you you know your entire life because you're alive for a long time oh and there's some people in the chat there's a lot of people who are just on board a jar of this so many people are just like what the fuck is this you just don't know so far i mean like minute for minute jared is doing better than jonathan macintosh is with far smaller of a budget i don't mind saying yeah definitely he's got such a small budget that he can't even afford a fucking shirt yeah you had to eat my shirt you spent the money on digital shut up humans that's a toxic masculinity there's a digital so we have a way of labeling people certain things yeah jonathan we're even going around labeling people jared is calling jonathan out in this video jared jared team jared they're not permanent labels they eventually just become erased and become something else i don't really think as humans we're meant to have friends i don't know what that sucks a little off and then and then we finally get to the jared take on it we were like oh enter jared stage left humans would never have friends like maybe from your perspective i could see why you think that but maybe i think that if you look deep into it um if you want to call it zen budism or whatever what is this all sort of interconnected and a very mysterious we're all interconnected dude to think for like three seconds the word he came up with was mysterious mysterious i it i not wrong he moves in mysterious ways yeah it just it works in mysterious ways that's all the justification in each right the whole world the universe is sort of interconnected and i think that to call someone a friend is kind of silly when it boils down to it because we all share a connection i believe that we're all related from adam and that's just a whoa is he oh he's a christian well i guess he is oh yeah zen budist or is he a christian or is he like both like he take well all religions cherry picking so maybe it's just i don't remember what video so i don't remember what video it was but i do know he said that he was like doing his job as a christian by saying whatever retarded shit he was talking about yeah i did not know that i had it to the law but i guess but i guess yeah i guess if you believe that i'm gonna be for real we're all related from them so i mean so technically we're related to fucking yeah boy i mean are you not on board with that i am on board with that i'm brother jared brother jared brother jared i mean as humans we're all the same king of the silly buddy we should still be united um and you don't need friends to be united uh to me the perfect human is you is just i guess okay um i'm not following at all i'm not really we're all united but we don't need friends because of that i assume well there's a perfect human everyone's like a friend so it's like calling them friends isn't even really it doesn't have like any meaning anymore you know everyone's super so no one is i guess is what he's going for so if we are he wants us all to be interconnected so is jared a globalist then looks like i mean on a spiritual level yeah he's a spiritual globalist in a mysterious way he's a spiritual globalist you know he's in buddhism you know the fucking pause screen you have in that mauler it's like a stare at the screen that's the moment where he becomes self-aware and he sees what we're doing he's like wait a minute wait are they talking about you on this planet what i mean someone who is a social person because humans weren't meant to be anti-social you know we're working in time friends we weren't meant to be out anti-social despite being like tribalistic as fuck but i mean we we're meant to be social we're social animals but even social animals have tribes well we got to put this through the lens of jared response theory where he doesn't leave his room still really curious what the thing in front of the fish tank is his tribe is on his dresser i think that's one of the symbols for his drum really looks very high it could be it could be because it's reflecting and it's all circular so but it's like it's really the only thing i can think of ovalish you know yeah it might just be it might be uh just upside or maybe we're looking at it from the top and i mean his bed's not exactly a bed so it's a collection of materials it's a table until he's on it and then it's a bed heard it really but uh that's not to say i i think that you should be overly social i think there's a time and place where alone time is good yeah i like why alone time yeah i so it's being me and my thoughts in my room you're interrupting me and my right hand discussion of the perfect human being i've loved this oh i'm soaking it all in i guess just a kind of a friend to everyone perfect human is a friend to everyone uh certain friends friends but of course you do have you know family and you know boyfriend girlfriend husband wife in those relationships i guess are different in a way pause it yeah if if you really think about it your husband is a little different someone who lives you know a thousand miles away in another country you never met there's a little bit of a difference if you think about rags i don't know if you notice someone posted someone sent me a uh screenshot that they took when they were commenting on one of jared's videos i don't know which one it is but he admitted jared admitted to being what he calls himself a bit of a queer yeah i don't know but i don't have no idea what that means i'd have to see that through the jared i didn't have the jared response theory jared's lens to understand that i would yeah who knows what he means by that so is he like kind of gay or it might not have anything to do with that that's the thing do we can see the comments from his youtube channels we consider that low accurate or does it have to be in a video i mean it's like it's like a religious text it can be interpreted in many ways to the point where it's practically useless so we're gonna have to see i don't know we'd have to get a follow-up on that someone have to ask what do you mean yeah if you can just leave a comment on his channel he'll probably make a video about it what does he mean by being can you make a video just ask him if he would suck meat tubes you probably think of like hot dogs in his innocence in a period well we well that's the thing because otherwise we'll just delete the comment it's the expanded jared if it's a comment we have to frame it correctly so that he'll just be like oh yeah i saw hot dogs jerry reloaded you think about it but then again uh those labels a lot of times to just come and go to now you could debate that you know well what about best friends and you could have somewhat of a debate there but really to me a friend is just a friend uh best friend it almost seems kind of like a shallow thing to do because it's like you're playing favorites well yeah you have favorite friends yeah that's normal i know what friends are the humans that you favor over are the humans basically yeah and of those since all humans are you know in equal in that aspect and they're different you will prefer or have a special connection to one like some like some people even say like my spouse is my best friend you know something like that or friend is just all my friends i know but if i need to like if it's three in the morning and my car breaks down at a bad part of town you know i can call carol and he's you know he's my best friend he will be there to help me out doesn't matter what it is you know like we got each other's backs more than anybody else i can count on him the most yeah because he probably feels the same way oh yeah yeah um it's what a strange lens this is you're looking at being viewed from this is almost like uh not not fatalist but cynical yeah kind a little cynical for jerry he's usually much more hopeful yeah of your friends and um to me like i never really had a best friend growing up as a kid i mostly just had like one or two friends you know and so i guess they were all just best friends because i never had i want to give him a hug but i don't think my arms will fit around his fat well he looks sweaty so i don't know yeah you don't know what kind of chemicals are on there man come on well i mean i can always get myself like an acid bath he probably smells like his bed oh well he has to clear that out to sleep on every night and then pull the stuff back on like it's a cupboard yeah that's true like i thought it's like i said it's a table until he's on it then it's a bit see that's a video he could make as well just jarred think traps are gay oh man maybe maybe we can like put him through like y'all need to ask jared if he thinks traps are gay make a video on it yeah we can put him through like quarantine we move like hose him down before we hug him what what if he just sleeps on the fish tank like he just drapes over it the fish tag is the pillow what what if his body's like he doesn't actually have bones he just like he's like a liquid he just goes into the fish tank he just morphs around it it's his hibernation cube yeah the red bucket he puts the lid on it after he gets inside jarred is a xenomorph the perfect creature and then like his parents come in to wake him up and they take the lid off and it's like jarred's face sitting in like a pool of himself he just opens his eyes like i am ready they just like tip over the bin and he like flops out and like they don't say get out of bed they're like pour out of bed both of his parents need to do it because he's just weighs too much when i was in my early teens there were a lot of kids on my block who you know they all rode bikes or skated and we would hang out but none of us were really that close um but we would just sometimes go to each other's houses or do some bullshit and that's just kind of how it was and it's funny to me how adults are the same way you know they just sort of hang out uh they don't really have like you know intimate wait what do you just talk about husband's life skill friends and boyfriends relations and i don't mean sex okay i don't just mean that well yeah because some of us do but i mean it can go i mean intimacy is obviously it's it's not just you know physical is he saying there's not much intimate relationships with people outside of sexual ones maybe people aren't very close but i would say you shouldn't be on that level with a lot of people that's yeah yeah that's saved for literally best friends you know one guy said uh intimate gay friendship intimate gay friendship i like the scp joke he's like in scp so it basically um top gun and yeah patrick's right uh the the jarred videos have better will building than the last Jedi by far yeah they take care of a lot in just one or two scenes in the in the Jedi Jedi jarred videos i like these long takes you know yeah yeah it's very personal you feel it like you're in the room yeah like you like he's talking to you to each person individually i mean like there's there's no like sort of emotion or anything like that that's just how i see it to me as a friend is just uh for most people it seems like a friend is just someone you go to their house and you drink beer at a past time he said that was the thing that you do with friends yeah maybe maybe he's saying that that's what the world thinks a friend is maybe that's just how i see it but when you really look into it and like i said with the zen buddhist philosophy zen buddhist philosophy i thought it's like you're christian what do you think a religion do you know who you know who else was zen buddhist kamikaze pilots those didn't ever exist fin was the first ever person to ever consider that yeah and then and then rose kamikaze herself into his kamikaze and it um kamikaze it's a counter kamikaze kamikaze that cultural appropriation and how we're all interconnected and how we all just sort of feed off each other's energy we're all just floating energy basically oh my god he got so philosophical it's such a quick like we're all just sort of having friends we're all just i'm kind of expecting his head to like sink into his torso and you just want him to be in the fish tank don't you it might happen it might happen because of how heavy his head is because of that fucking big ass brain in there man oh yeah i don't know how he's he's thinking about all this stuff it's not just wrong to hold that up and we feed off each other's energy whether it's with humans with animals with trees we all just sort of feed off each other's energy uh that's real friendship i feel like he's sort of said it best we're like rags can i feed off of your energy tonight yeah boy i'm i'm a skip that it sounds it sounds worse than we can all feed off each other's energy tonight come on it's it's natural it's natural this is what nature intended in the name of jared perhaps that's a lot of jared let's let us worship jared together sing praise jared sort of said it best we're like the human doesn't really exist it's it's mostly just the inner parts you know the inner part say jared you just picture with a circle of people that are like picking or looking at daisies they're all just like someone's bagging a drug but he's just like we're all just like the inner us you know i was like yeah man i don't i don't know about humans not existing because there seems to be a lot of evidence in the affirmative that they do but like it's all just insights is he saying that like humanity is a social construct or that it's not really real we just made it up we categorize for no reason because we're all just carbon dude we're all just things we all connect just dust in the wind man tears in the rain sometimes the soul i guess and things of that nature but as far as this here in a sense this doesn't really exist so is this just like an illusion is jared really here if we had a newsletter for jared that today's would have been like jared reveals that nothing exists what if he's projecting into this room like luke skywalker he's actually like a supremely handsome well-off guy and he's just projecting we ask him why he's like i chose someone unconventionally attractive this is more so just a facade it's the inside you know there's an old saying that your lungs the things that cannot be seen are actually the most real they're the most tangible what i don't know about that i don't know about that the things that i can yeah because they have the most substance in depth what do you have so much depth jared it's he does i'm fucking real the things that we can't see are the most real and they have the most substance in depth he got very deep on us in this episode wait a minute did he just rip off a fucking polar express quote i don't know some of the most real things in the world are the things you can't see this inquisition drops you by jared he ripped off polar express the thing is that would be a great nickname for him is polar express that's his rap name polar express in my camera is just skin flesh and vibrations coming out of my throat well you don't see that but you hear yeah so you don't really see the inner parts of what really make me who i yeah it's because your skin's in the way you know what he's right he's just right and you guys are just hating anyways guys just food for you and i'll see you guys namaste well we got so god we gotta do one more because this is a this is a quick one it's a requested piece of oh god oh god oh god wait wait where's this light switch is it right up there oh yeah god the light switches must be above it i hope it's there but yeah we've we requested a room which disappeared oh there it is we requested a room tour and he provided an in-depth room tour that's okay so still no still no cover on the right pregnancy video oh my goodness that is that's some damage has been dealt to that door i'm telling you it's it's your hand it's the hand that is that is a gnarly hand dude look by the look by the switch you even see the handprint by the switch well it looks like the fucking wood is rotting because you know when you flick a light switch you know your fingers will extend past the actual button you'll get that you know the middle of your hand so that's the fingers that brown spot on the top does everything he touches die or does he sap the light oh what's that supposed to be i don't know it's just got a little white guy i guess oh there he is i can see him i don't know what a strange what a strange figurine is that an amiibo no that's that looks like a really old figure like oh my god are we gonna see the inside of his closet like a hamley meal but he's really letting us see that one god oh that's shredder that's a shredder toy you can tell by the help yeah he's got a shredder toy i just realized he had a pair of fucking um not pliers fuck what you call it well he got let me back back it up it was right it was right in front of the little white guy that's maybe we'll see in a second oh yeah all right we got the name is we've got ebop and roadkill why is his cupboard the dresser drawn out from the wall like it's not like to the wall i don't know maybe it's like a gap let me just go back a second yeah because there's like a decent chunk of gap there maybe has a bunch of stuff on the floor you don't know maybe it's an outlet maybe there's an outlet back there that could be it yeah he really likes his ninja tails man he's got fucking deodorant and hand sanitizer he's got yeah well both though you're at a be like a cologne that's like cologne he studies the but detects what they do that floor man just so there's a skateboard on the there's like two skateboards on the left they're crowbar i can't quite tell what that is um he's got a fucking crowbar in his room that's awesome oh god he can't trash can he can't get to the areas that he would show because the floor there's no way he could get to him man why does he just have unopened fedex boxes in his room but those are like Dr. Seuss books man who actually has like done a two videos on his book collection and they're all fucking Dr. Seuss books yeah because this is like serial killer wall so what do we got skating ninja wolverine has wolverine up there yeah um you just skateboard do you know like how like you can walk into some rooms they're just like pristine clean and they're just everything's off so you can't even tell but like this room tells you everything about him he's an open book ready to be read you could create a character in a book based solely on the stuff in this room you should be like oh yeah so clearly he does x y and z like this is this is beautiful so much stuff it's more combat mortal combat wait did he did he actually cut that out of like a game case and stick it on i think so yeah because look at how it's cut out look how crude the case look look in the in the bottom left corner you can see the place where the rated m logo so be yeah and i think that's a price tag as well on the bottom yeah just fucking cut out the case you didn't even cut out like can you cut it like a square or circle did you have to just like yeah that's good enough and he uses a thumb tax because these are all with thumb tax by the way he's got he's got thumb tax pressed up for a lot of these incredible stuff whoa i see as a satan worshiper yeah this is just i don't even want to call them contradictions they are literally just insights or these things are just insights we've got i think the wall gets progressively more terrifying as you move across it we got rappa the rappa middle gear solid weird duck things we're watching a creepypasta right now you can you can hear him stepping over all this shit in his room yeah a couple middle gear solid things um what the fuck that thing is in the top right uh that's i i've seen it before i can't remember what it's from someone in chas it's the it's the it's feng shui guy uh master shifu from kung fu panda in the top left and that that's earthworm gym as well yeah earthworm gym we get the the magic the gathering mana down at the bottom right um we've got master monkey dragon jarred could be monday matt's son i might hidden away i hope the apple does fall far from the tree i don't want to see jarred's boulder collection oh my god why is he stuck them over each other why would you are those just the fucking bot like the cardboard boxes without the plastic in front of it there are better ways to stick what you like on your wall there are better ways like does he never had a poster there's not a single poster in this room that's typically that's all just it just cut out from whatever and maybe some of these were from posters he just cut out the parts of the poster that he liked and stuck those up and they how we got the surfboards of the fishes and stuff man uh yeah more skateboard stuff skateboard stuff oh there's there we go something that actually implies christianity yeah it's in this fix ninja turtles again of course see i would have used i would accuse the writers of sort of a plot hole there but they do have it they didn't forget there is continuity still up so the fucking ninja turtles lots of ninja turtle stuff good lord that is a lot that's that's the wall he can see as well at his computer in the yeah that would make sense he just stares at it all fucking day proud of it what the hell right what the what's wrong with that poster so that's full that's so like did he cut up a poster into four bits and just let's take them together together why didn't you just put the whole thing you know ninja tails do not imply christianity i i know the turtles out of the shadows but jesus on a cross kind of implies it that's his shtick you know oh this either be the mother always plushies there's be this or but whatever one um no oh my god oh my god tidy it up oh look it's cat in the hat it's the grinch it's the grinch and cat in the hat he's got a an old nes controller what a treasure trove oh this is pc giraffe yeah oh he's like got an actual desktop well he's just got stuff piled up in the corner um that's where he throws all the snow oh god under that table dude oh oh god you look at look at the fucking wall where all the shit just builds up it's thanks for thanks for showing us the fucking plugs in your computer i don't yeah man what if he just has like a magnet stuck to the computer i hope that's the case wait he's got the side panel off and the plushies are actually entering the pc it's for cooling it's a purely utilitarian oh god he broke something oh my god duckin off the wall dude they took the fucking side panel off that wall doesn't have a panel either yeah the cover that's like it doesn't have a panel they're not covered that's that's kind of dangerous because the metal on the panel why does he not have fucking wall panels in his how can you be this fascinating in two minutes skeleton skeleton we can read the simple oh wait what is this all right so what i was always playhouse he was playhouse wow wow fascinating i'm glad you two know what that is because i was like why the fuck are there anthropomorphic toilets on because you shit in the toilet's mouth that's what you do what you do what are you i'm gonna fucking eat shit oh there he is he drew those he drew them he took a skeleton and he marked it up man those are rooms i think that is a spell casting skeleton that's must be what it is it must be a part of his rituals spell at any spell is that the official name of the skeleton he draws he's got his little runes that he drew on him bony that's what it is bony i just i love how you're so casual about that door this is completely normal this is normal i wanted to see under the desk damn it oh god oh no oh god is this an x-box is that an old x-box on the windowsill my theory i think it is yeah and my theory is he's stepping he's stepping on empty bottles of alcohol and empty like packets of hot wheels it's gotta be what it is yeah because he's like he's clearly stepping on like plastic trash he's stepping on but yeah that's an og xbox what what book is that catechism of the catholic church oh wow and then underneath it is something about doctor by pd e the barenstein bears i think that's the barenstein bears just like in pd east as i have an imagery it's got a shit ton of childish books and then the catechism of the so pd eastman he wrote uh he wrote like go dawg go the best nest that's it that's the best nest that's the book it's the best nest here let me send you a picture i know exactly what that book is is one of my favorites when i was you know a small child no it's great it's it's a really good story it's about a bird it's about a husband bird and he has to go look for a new nest for you know the wife bird and he goes to all sorts of different places what's that's the book right there what's on the skateboard that looks like something you attach to like jesus christ how did you even figure that out by the fucking pink and bike because because the best it's pd eastman and the best nest it was it was a pink book i just remember from my childhood because i read the shit out of it because he is he tries to build his nest and like all sorts of stuff it's just half a log it's half a piece of log it's like the half eaten yo yo but it's a log it's half eaten logs it's a it's first it's a jetsons game or cd or something um hand hand thing to come is that a fucking uh fuck what's the stupid monkey's name george something or other george yeah curious curious george book i think the wood thing is like a toy for like a durable cage or something no wait what if that what if that's like supposed to go in the fish tank dude this it could be it could be a god i want to see under his bed i want to see under the dance table yeah under his table bed dude look a book would have folded off the shelf in the background he was just like yeah i guess it's just gonna have a broken spine now that's where it's gonna be oh well i love the spine bent pages yeah uh the half eaten yo yo was just a theory we've actually got half eaten logs is confirmed lore no i think it's it's like for a terrarium or something because you see him all the time in like zoos and uh like snakes and spiders and i think it's his fuel dude it could i'm going to choose to interpret it as it makes sense because he ate out the middle of the log but he left the crust why is there a christian block of cob boy i wonder what's inside that wall fucking why there's so many boxes yeah man it's an og xbox i was filming this on his phone shit yeah dude what's down there oh oh what is this i'll just stuff for the i guess stuff for the drums down there or something maybe oh god is that a sock that he's fucking drunk he's just sitting up i think so what oh my goodness it's just a sock no we're going in we're going in this is like a fucking this is like a paranormal activity she's is christ oh my god don't go no it's a duck it's a duck what it's a duck you see the he says it's a duck is if that's an ad no it is look at it it is a duck it's got the web seat and it's got the big yellow or orange the question is why is there a duck oddly enough duck was my first word what does that say on the Spanish it you can speak Spanish no we don't know that barely speaking but it's like it's a log this is just a rant it's broken too you can see the splinters at the top this is an actual like stick did he just fucking go in the woods and find a fucking branch that's the one he might i see a criminal in his grocery shopping oh my gosh that's a log i want to see a floor tour and an under the table bed tour come on guys get on this oh that's the best we're gonna get it's an easter egg at the end of the video okay guys we we need to like request uh chat go to his channel and just request that he do a floor tour everyone in the bed tour and an under the desk tour everyone subscribe to his channel and comment that you want to see more and that you love it and you want to encourage him to make videos and we're preferably interested in seeing his desk and how it was built and everything around it full of full of treasures i want to see i'm going to go to his social blade and jarrod is very much he's like an appreciative content creator exponentially uh is he the one is his channel the brown shirt where he looks like he wants to kill somebody this video is from jarrod genesis so i just did that one the channel he's got a video shoot all three of his channels are jarrod genesis what the one where he's naked from the video uh let me see thank you youtube for having my no that's not it this is it oh god the curious case of jarrod genesis is his latest video and it's just showing his like man tits sagging over his stomach well yeah he's got like 38 subscribers 30 16 plus seven it's like damn jarrod go subscribe to this man subscribe to all well it's a blue profile picture it's just kind of like and encourage topics guys encourage topics you got to be like asking him questions and what we'll try and figure out eventually is basically get a top voted you know jarrod videos you want us to cover because i think that'll be the only way we can do this logically speaking um you guys still good to now watch an actual video um and how long is it oh well we don't have to watch a little bit i'm mainly just interested in what argument he's gonna make yeah we need to start oh gosh that's much louder wait why is it oh right it started like halfway through um yeah let me make sure the volume thing is in the right position because you never know where the shit 21 minutes damn yeah this one's gonna be a question for a bit jarrod genesis video the correct one anyone anyway his channel he's wearing a blue shirt yeah blue shirt so oh yeah i spammed it i'll just spam it again you might want to spam it again just guys this is the channel and you got to keep track of it in order to keep track of the law otherwise you'll lose track and you won't understand anything and then you can just video us to us we we do check this one said jarrod owns a sock it's his drum sock the empire strikes back but if he like just puts butter at the bottom of his sock and he uses that as a drum like he'll swing it around in a circle and be like he can like do a phil collins thing it'd be like done done done done done done done and then his drum will break i feel like we should probably clarify we have to do it every time but there's gonna be a selection of people who think we're bullying him um i i usually try and put out a word for it but i don't know if rags of wolf do you want to say something this time around we're gonna have to do it once every time probably well yes i am act i actually follow jarrod on twitter i am very nice to him you guys should be very nice to him i mean we we do kind of laugh at him because it's hard not to but we're we are we actually want him to come on with us only problems that rags needs to apologize for that to happen for what what did i do i guess he wants you to apologize for something and then he'll come on i don't know what for i don't know what for either he doesn't exactly specify and ultimately uh jarrod's goal is to share his thoughts on every topic that there ever was so honestly like subscribing makes him very happy he uh he's interested in in in having an audience i think rags did you see um because i know that people spammed me and mauler with the video but there was like some mexican bitch that was like making a video series on jarrod and how he's like an old person and did you see that about what person a terrible person or something who is this bitch i can go to look and see it was this blasphemous cunt well anyway i i don't know i don't remember what her name was it was a couple weeks ago but i actually watched the video but basically in the video she was like i know that all these subscribers you're suddenly getting are fake she has like seven subscribers he's jealous of jarrod he's jealous of jarrod's youtube success i can't believe jarrod jennison he's up to 317 that's amazing it's the most subscribers he's ever had wait he's got 317 317 because when i was on page he was on 270 so that's a bump for him because you need to have like a thousand to live streamer i think so yeah let's get him up to a thousand so he can live stream guys absolutely um i mean we'll make him so happy too so anyway this is a video room tour video by the way that's apparently critical of the nose from the avengers if you guys remember and a lot of people okay i've requested it because apparently it's it's rather critical of the film so i was like hmm let's give it a shot then i thought you said the nose at first i was like what the fuck are you talking about the empire strikes back ruined everything we took the wrong lessons from it i am so conflicted on this movie this piece will probably be divisive and i don't intend it to be but this movie is unapologetically divisive i'll readily admit my show is about celebrating films and while that is one of like one of the most high rated marvel movies i wouldn't i wouldn't have described infinity war as divisive but i don't think it's divisive at all i'm willing to hear him out give him a shot he's got the essay format in full he's even got the nice voice you know well the soft voice or softish i don't know maybe people wouldn't interpret it as that but we shall see because i'm going to do in this piece that isn't all i'm going to do i've celebrated marvel movies many many many times in the past what the fucking music i guess he's going from melancholic that would be i guess people like asked me or a guy asked me on twitter the other day like why don't you use music in your it's like it's shit like this where they like put this melancholy bullshit music in the background to emotionally manipulate you into feeling something about these videos distracting you from the otherwise piece of shit vapid commentary i yeah i'm not gonna say i'm 100 against it but like in this case for example it is very like wow this seems a little bit over the top but you know whatever it depends on what he's got to say really for me we'll break make or break this stand by what was said in those pieces because there was one powerful through line in all of those films marvel movies are not made just for kids and they're not made just for adults and they're not made just for fans of the comics that's why they're successful no one owns them marvel films are made for everyone they're known by disney jesus he's already at 343 now nice i think jarry should be like 30 subs at this point he might be able to make a video in celebration so thank you all in chat for for for a support name um yeah there's the other thing by the way about video essays it's very much a nitpick and maybe this doesn't apply to this this guy but i don't know i feel a little bit right now like come on come on come on you know and i think if you're going to take something from this piece it's that infinity bore wasn't made for everyone certainly wasn't made for fans of guardians of the galaxy he wasn't why uh why would it not be also the fact that james gun wrote the dialogue or at least consulted so wouldn't it be pretty pretty good whatever he's made the point he hasn't had any evidence yet got him jesus christ one thing oh wait was it a joke what was that a joke let me go back what was the punch line exactly this piece it's that infinity bore wasn't made for everyone certainly wasn't made for fans of guardians of the galaxy got him jesus christ one thing i don't get it yeah i don't get it what was the point that doesn't make any fucking sense all i've got in my head and this is very vague is you know obviously they get dusted pretty much all of them so is it a joke that this obviously wasn't made for them because they got dusted is that it i don't know i'm not why wouldn't you have shown a clip of them getting dusted though if that was the case where yeah i don't know lost on that one that has not changed about my show is i am not trying to take anything away from anyone not you not your friends nor do i attempt to sway your opinion on this movie surely you want to sway your someone's opinion on this if you're going to be providing an argument yeah i want people to believe me but i want to convince people you know are you saying the reason you're sharing it is because you just want people to hear you because you know i'm assuming basically what i'm trying to get at is if his if his only intention was to be heard then wouldn't he just say i found the movie decide device he's gonna prove his points i'm assuming it's 20 fucking minutes he's gonna do something but like there's no harm in wanting to sway someone's opinion oh put the volume down wow never actually thought i'd hear that turn it down but i am going to state my own love it hate it be you and it doesn't really matter if i say that some people are about to get very mad at me in the comments it always happens oh he defended the last jedi i imagined that he probably didn't appreciate the ratings for this one and it was 8000 up close to 3000 down and this is the thing um he called it in defense of last jedi so i'm assuming he's gonna have defended it for its you know positive elements which probably got him in trouble because it's difficult to do because of the fact like we we just saw macintosh having to invent a film to be able to defend the last jedi which is what just right did as well dare i name more people so like of course it gets you in a little bit of trouble um but if you'd said i i just like it you probably would have been okay infinity war both worked and didn't work for me personally and i know that viewpoint and perspective is not rare i think it all hinges on thanos infinity war is a magnificent achievement that made anyone else distracted by the slow motion clips feels odd to me when it when it started off with like slo mo luke's hair blowing i was like why does this look so off yeah just stylistically i don't know because he's got access to the movie i don't know why he can't just have full motion clips but fair enough it's some depressingly baffling decisions for a lot of people and i don't like watching my friends get upset i've been wanting to talk about this movie since it came out in theaters and now that it's i can talk about it here i don't know i think it's making the film look a bit yeah when you slow it down like this like it like it actually comes across as laggy to me like but it is consistent frame rates i don't know it's back it's like with the uh old slo mo before super slo mo cameras were invented oh man couldn't you just skip that two minutes this is the worst intro i think i've ever seen in my entire life i had some bunch of crunch on my desk who took my bunch of crunch i is this a meme or is this an in-house joke i don't know i don't know what bunch of crunches huh also wow can i just suggest tonally you might want to design a different intro if you're gonna have an intro intro to his videos intro was very as we said melancholic and then he's like what like okay you can play alvin in the chipmunks and you're okay is this not just like the absolute shittiest music ever oh why what is this if he i don't know it's weird that he had let's talk about fannas was way shorter than a bunch of crunch thing i don't know what's going on i'm confused i don't know that's why i don't do music intros this is shit avengers infinity war is a film directed by joe and anthony russo and written by christopher marcus and steven mcfeeley it stars everyone thanks for telling us that i've always um been because i'm overly critical with everything that's one of the first points i actually made when i was trying to make reviews i was like people always open with saying the date the thing was released and then who made it and they never have any reason for mentioning these things like you know if you're saying it's relevant to the topic don't it don't waste our time with it it's like they went to the wikipedia page and they were like well i gotta do this because what else can you hear some information to show you that i know there's a few things i could say about um mcfeeley and the russo brothers but it's like i probably wouldn't even mention that they made it until maybe the end and say like these people should be you know maybe congratulated for their work but uh yeah he just he sort of just glanced over i wonder if that's gonna come back up i don't i don't know in a movie ever and it grossed uh more than two billion dollars and i like it a lot it does a lot of things really well so to get to the thing i actually want to talk about here are the things that absolutely rule about this movie it sets the stakes immediately thanos kills the villain of the first avengers film and out hulks the hulk thanos as a cg character is an incredible accomplishment and josh brolin does an incredible job with what he just want to say i agree with everything so far so yep it sounds good better than what he is given actually it's incredibly well shot with trackable action for an audience with wild wild imagination spider man is still just a kid on the bus and on a spaceship the way the avengers mix their powers through the entire film is incredible thor mixes perfectly with the guardians of the galaxy again something set up by rebooting the tone of the thor franchise in ragnarok so that he could fit alongside the guardians yeah i mean you could go in some some more detail on these things but sure because the reason i agree with these is because i agree with these anybody who doesn't agree with this would probably find this bit tough to actually watch i mean it's just like here i'm going to point out all these things that all of you already know and waste your time before i actually get to the point it's it's let's get let's get the things we agree on out of the way so that when we get to the things we don't agree on we've already established that i'm not even trying to be mean here but like i kind of want to skip to the part where we disagree because like he's not going to develop any of this stuff so i'm just like okay that's a made-up word who was made up groots arm is the handle of the thanos killing weapon that was really clever and cool the way wandis saves vision and herself from a mighty fall was super clever tony nighting spider man see so to add to advocate for the people who might disagree with all those things they'd be like why is it clever yeah i mean we don't have a problem because we agree but because i could argue for him but like a yeah it's just i also wouldn't call that a mighty fall of 20 feet to the avengers was awesome i love that spider man and star lord bond over footloose i can footloose to move exactly like footloose is it still the greatest movie in history it never was when you said we are going to cut the reaction from star-lords why did you do that that's the best bit yeah it was like one of the best jokes in the movie yeah what did you imagine at least it may be and steve rogers introducing himself to groot chef's kiss i am steve rogers it's a ride of a film with a hell of a lot going on which in many ways was the point there's an air of can we really pull this off about the whole kind of want to watch this movie now it's like i just let's watch the infinite this watch dude i can't believe we're four and 20 minutes 26 in how this is the quickest we've ever been through video because nothing's really getting done yet he's just like viscerally reminding me like oh yeah i really like that move now i want to watch that and that part was good i agree amazing achievement we get into the bad bits now from the rusos or marvel it took 18 movies worth of characters and made something that no character really has control of okay thanos which brings us to okay why did you write that french this was natural infinity war feels like a season finale more than a film because it's kind of by definition nothing but it's not a season i mean well it's obviously not literally a season finale but you could well yeah yeah but i mean there's still going to be another infinity war movie so yeah but there's a season two right of oh i guess you're saying it's like part one of a finale in a way yeah because i mean wouldn't the finale finale be like the because once uh the next infinity war movie is done wouldn't that be the season finale so to say yeah this is almost like the episode before the season finale again is no reason to sort of especially so because it's like the next one comes out what next year right uh actually like i feel like it's like half a year from now i actually i'm not sure all i know is that the trailer should be out by now we need to get hype going guys generate that hype feels like the first time i'm going to be hyped for a marvel movie weird the first thing the first thing thanos and the film does is attack and murder unarmed refugees fleeing their war torn homeland you only kills half of them just a detail you need to catch that that is just an allegory for white people i just because racist xenophobia if he's gonna start arguing because i were judging from that statement alone is he gonna say that like thanos is completely insane unjust evil all this other stuff so first of all like i said it's half the ship and the the writers confirmed the corg and valkyrie the two characters we did not see are alive and well on that half of the ship because thanos blew up this half of the ship because he killed half of the refugees so confused by that given that the guardians of the galaxy went there when they were like flying through all the rubble of the ship and they only thaw like where's the other half of the ship exactly oh i mean that's a for thaw for to to tell us all for infinitial part two but there's a lot of things that you could ask that about in finna to also okay but what about this like well that's for next time let's just hope they don't ryan johnson that's okay that's that's the goal that's what we're what we're at such this compounded by the fact that it essentially undoes thaw ragnarok and the entire arc for thaw from that film it undoes thaw's arc it undoes a couple things it undoes his eye well i think i feel like the eye part was kind of a part of his arc where he got like all the fucking cool superpower shit at the end of the movie yeah it's strange i knew i i assumed that it was um it was literally because like the actor wanted to not wear an eyepatch or something yeah and then that i mean i get the narrative reason for why they needed to forge the new hammer but it's also like wasn't the whole point of him losing his hammer so that he could like you know grow oh well that's that's a huge issue in terms of just like you probably should have made this weapon a while ago if it's like the most powerful thing on the planet i don't know there's a lot they don't explain about or just not destroyed moiner moiner however you pronounce it fucking stupid it was wrong with you meal near i don't i don't know i only pronounce american word sorry that i know merkin word oh yeah uh you know i agree with those those bits um undoing his arc i just i just need clarification on what he considers his arc because it's a couple of things right it's not just like i wouldn't say it would undo his entire arc but it it kind of made a couple bits of it irrelevant yeah the bad guys screams are heard echoing from the peanut bleachers like people electively trapped in a cave well bad is subjective sir it's a megaphone yeah i know he's also the protagonist of the film who has given a goal to accomplish and does accomplish it which is clever i would not say he's the protagonist i mean i'm okay with the interpretation i'm just curious how that counters the idea that he's bad he set that up as if it counters the fact that he's bad because i mean you know you could argue palpatine is the protagonist of the prequels if if your logic is they have a goal to achieve and they achieve it by the end you know it depends um uh yeah congo is amplifies many of the things that turned people off to this film the tone of this thing is unrelentingly dire multiple characters are tortured their screams agonizing which i'll admit i had a pretty tough 2017 and that amount of trauma was tough for me to deal with in the theater i kept pretending to go to the bathroom the film made me feel bad and reminded me of a lot of real-world stuff that was a boy with a little bitch i wonder if that's gonna play into his assessment i was triggered by a fucking cgi rock burning people can draw whatever they're gonna draw i just hope he doesn't sort of convert that into some kind of like this shouldn't be happening in marvel or something i don't know what bad shit happened in 2017 that made him get triggered by this i'm sorry but what the fuck also yeah i have to say like does he not watch or consume media that's a little bit you know on the like there's way worse stuff than that yeah if infinity war is what did it for you then damn it's like does he this is a genuine question does he consume adult content that's my question is the da Vinci code the most mature thing he watched i don't know man i seriously have this was not baby violence come on because i was gonna say they're deliberately non they're not very violent in these films because of the fact they have to reach a certain rating they try to avoid the most violent thing you'll see is i am getting stabbed with something but you barely see any blood and he doesn't die from it yeah it's very very tame in these films usually not alone on that one do you remember black path the one the woman got his head next to open there was no blood or markings he's just like now she's dead a lot of people about this movie torture torture torture torture i apparently people in the chatter saying he almost died because of multiple sclerosis okay well this is the thing i don't i don't take away from anybody associating whatever they want to whatever they want this is entirely subjective i just uh it's strange that this is what did it for him when it was so you know tame tame compared to what you can really consume and i just assume i assume he's a media channel as any consumes media that's that that would be what's his channel name i want to see what kind of movies with mikey or something or film joy yeah i assume he watches a lot of films film joy uh uh just wait someone said for your information this guy wrote alien colonial marines is that true if that is then holy shit does he not know what he or is that just a random comment this is a joke or is that true because uh let me see alien writer mikey newman was the writer for aliens colonial marines oh god and if you go to his about page says he doesn't say his name his full name just said or mikey's twitter let's see if that does it mikey oh my god he did write aliens colonial this is the guy who wrote aliens put colonial marines okay well we can say for sure that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about then we're still waiting for an argument i know it's been six minutes i mean i'm sorry but you mauler if you played aliens colonial marines well that's the thing i have because of okay the watching reviews of it okay well i did play it and it is one of the most abominable stories i think i've it's like honestly last jedi levels of weight so to clarify if the mechanics were amazing you'd still be saying that right yes but the mechanics aren't yeah yeah that's that's just a clarification because i didn't know what the story was i mean like this story is like borderline retarded it's but yeah it's not borderline retarded it just is it is retarded we're not going to hold these things against him we're going to allow him free of those claims even if i know they were a hundred percent true but he was going to see what he has to say because i know it's been six minutes but he still hasn't made his point yet well just from looking at his channel uh the videos he's or the movies he's reviewed none of them are really violent maybe he doesn't like violent movies that could actually be a thing i mean there are some movies like star wars and other marvel films if that's about as violent as it gets like no blood or shit and blade runners probably the most violent thing he's watched him he's got to that's just weird it's weird to me torture torture torture i get it stakes get escalated over 18 films to make Thanos feel dangerous he's fucking accord music in the back and that mileage will vary by person but i draw an arrow back the fucking blanket shields for everyone seeing a film wheeled trauma like a circus act is a little rough whoa what do you mean wheeled trauma like a circus act wheeled trauma like us that is a strange phrase i would love to a lot of a lot of things that could mean like yeah my immediate assumption was he was saying like they're trivializing trauma which he's watched john wick i hope he's not saying that how can you watch john wick and think that this is too violent you've seen john wick that's way more violent that doesn't make any sense and uh all right keep going get in the car kids we're going to a disney movie what the fuck was that i guess he's he's basically he's complaining that there's too much violence for this movie okay that's that's what he's saying i think that's fucking stupid yeah i mean until do you want me to just cite the times in the previous marvel films where there's been something violent in them because there's plenty he said john wick was a slasher what um i would i would go i would go with a slasher action movie first but sure as okay in the sense that a lot of people die i guess the film makes light of them for entertainment the film makes light of serious issues for entertainment wow so what's a what the film does not make light of the serious issues at all it's precisely why we take them seriously my friend it's why majority of audiences were dead silent once the credits hit at the end of infinity war because it was taken very seriously silent is the grave man people didn't know what to think it was not played for entertainment is well i mean i guess it is played for entertainment in that entertainment loosely that it's engaging yeah but um again the way i'm waiting for him to use his trivial eyes if he uses that which it sounds like he would have in its synonym there once upon a time tony stark just wanted some burger king that's all that's it he just wanted some burger king that is tony stark what tony stark just wanted some burger king okay now he's hurtling through space with an arachnid teenager and a space wizard which is impressive space wizard we got a space wizard gentlemen we got space wizard wait he dies so that pokes a hole in uh what's this yeah yeah but he's gonna come back and that's the male fantasy yeah i'm coming back to life just like jesus i am man's ark was once upon a time he simply wanted a burger now he's flying through space with all i wanted was burger i kept the richest man in the world get some burger king it's the big arc now i want to go vincingly but the danger also has to escalate the stakes need to escalate however arbitrarily we get there arbitrarily everything in a movie is like arbitrary because you write it the way that you write it just like what do you mean it just is arbitrary i suppose i mean that is he did say at the beginning he just he doesn't want to convince anyone of anything i guess he really is just stating his state of mind and that's it he's not he's not really making any points he's just saying things with a lot of new york exploding avengers 2 dealt with a fictional european town exploding civil war convincingly dealt with the fallout of those stakes by having the characters deal with the consequences so he likes civil war he doesn't like the others of their actions but never mind grimaces pierced this movie set stakes so unrealistically high that they don't even bother justify it what they set the stakes so high they don't justify them what do you mean by that i i need so much more explanation from this guy yeah this is at the stake so hard just tell me what you mean please just just some dude is like 20 miles nothing when we faced extinction i offered a solution and it's accepted as some kind of truth really thanos yeah by him yes not by us there were not enough resources like we can refuse to believe that that was the answer of course the point is that he believes it was the answer yeah he's telling the story he's telling us that from his perspective and that he was denied and then his people died and that was enough for him to start applying this worldwide yeah he knows what happens when you fail and don't forget he did it with gemora's will remember and he was successful yeah so he has it justifies to him what he needs to do if he doesn't do it it fails if he does do it it succeeds that's what happened in the movie mikey how much gotta eat to maintain that physique dude is like eight five and weighs like 980 pounds a cow weighs a little more than that and can eat 27 pounds of food yeah this isn't what does that have to do with shit i don't know like i'll be honest like you know this is a little bit inappropriate compared to how you were just talking about the films being overly violent friends it is for the sake of entertainment and how it affected you personally and now you're going off trivializing now trivializing his own video now but you know fair enough and cows don't look like that this what even all right i'm unrelenting exercise and abuse trauma and torture it tries to justify not he's torturing and he doesn't necessarily want to do it this because it's getting him the devices that he needs to save the world that's how he sees it yeah yeah remember Thanos thinks that he's the savior of the universe he thinks he's going to save the galaxy here of course what he's doing is is horrific and cruel but he's using it as a tool to get what he needs to get to save the world yeah he's very pragmatic himself because he knows that it's in his mind something he has to do it has to be done yeah we don't have to agree with it at all and we absolutely would see him as a bad guy because of this as do all the heroes non-ambiguously abuse with love what abuse is love i mean that's not necessarily a a false hood there are people on the planet who do consider like do abuse there who they love i'm not i'm confused what's your point i'm in torture it tries to justify non-ambiguously abuse with love what it tries to justify that abuse is love okay i need to unravel this in my own head so is he arguing that the film is telling us that Thanos really did love Gamora despite the the fact that he would always torture her or something is that what he's saying the film is saying if anything it shows that he doesn't enjoy torturing people because he loves them not not just that though but like we that was a very specific torture you get a specific outcome we're not told that that's a part for the course that's just something he does every day you could say he doesn't torture Gamora the one that he loves the problem that i have overall with this though that even if he's right even if Thanos tortured her every day and said this is actually me loving you that's totally a thing that could have happened and that's a part of his character perhaps that he sees love that way i'm confused as to what your point is you telling us that the film is justifying it like it's a good thing you think the film is telling us that him torturing people is a good thing this is so interpretive we tortured the jews and that was definitely a good thing this is i'm so confused help me out here i need explanations i'm gonna hold you to task for doing that marvel i was on your team that's why i'm nitpicking you it's not justified from a film making perspective i'm not talking about the plot i'm talking about the people that made decisions to do this you actually do have responsibilities what fuck off what are you talking about your you have responsibilities bullshit you fuck off this instant you hack piece of shit don't you even pull that garbage with me these content creators they have a responsibility to make the content that i find except yeah i mean you definitely you're definitely right on that i'm the reason i'm not even annoyed yet is because i'm i still have no idea what he wants i can't believe we're 18 minutes and 11 seconds in and i still have no idea what's happening in this video all he said that the the movie is too violent and um it equates abuse is love i guess because he did say it justifies the abuse is love or something like that but again i just stand by the fact that there are fucked up people on this planet who actually do abuse the people they love and they consider it like tough love or something like that those people exist like i don't you're saying that they should never portray these people even if they're as villains i'm confused i am too man i mean the film's not saying that that's a good thing yeah he's the villain he's the bad guy he's bad also yeah to clarify art has no responsibility is very true uh you should never be held unless of course you made a statement about your art before it came out that it will be x y and z and then it's not you know there are specifics to this but the idea that you must make something that does x y and z is ridiculous it's a very authoritarian mindset it's it's one it's what it's someone who wants to control media is essentially what that boils down to deep down post modernism talking about the plot i'm talking about the people that made decisions to do this you actually do have responsibilities and don't take my word for it Maggie may fish already said it better than i ever was mad i don't care who's Maggie may fish uh well just by looking at her face here i you know Maggie may fish um doesn't even sound like a real name she is an actress from sand castles and get you back um the tony laren lauren show uh she was on the tony laren show so an actor writer comedian dreamworks tv cracked j a s h machinima i'll eat the raisin i'll eat the raisins okay los angeles california i guess let's let's see what she's got to say uh california cracked she looks like this responsibilities and don't take my word for it Maggie may fish already said it better than i ever will this narrative is utterly hopeless how many young children will watch this movie sitting in a theater right next to an authority figure who abuses them the message that that child i'm sorry you've drifted right into hyper interpretation now yeah some some child might interpret something that they see in a movie as something that it's totally not supposed to be interpreted as because they have this crazy unusual fucked up real life situation and so those two mix and can possibly create things this is essentially the think of the children argument for art and just you can't portray this because think of the children if anybody in the chat is like uh no she's right i'll just give you a counter example um adventure time which is the most like child friendly thing you're gonna come across uh this this characters that are candy in the world parts of them like fall off sometimes will get eaten or whatever else and i should be like what if the kid interprets that as he's supposed to eat his friends oh no this is essentially saying this is an argument used by everything from christian fundamentalist to the far left anyone who wants to be an authoritarian we can control the art that you create and we can control the art that you consume because think of the children some not literally 100 percent of everybody might get the message correct or interpret things correct therefore you have a responsibility to that's a horrible comparison uh you don't get it then like seriously it's about the fact that you just draw whatever you want out of the the source it's not the film even if the film had a character outwardly suggest that anybody who loves you should hit you that would still be like think of the children what they learned from this like that's this horrible shit in loads of content it's about displaying life as a reflection i mean look at the villain look at the the villain in every disney every single disney movie the villain does terrible things where's the outrage there i mean look look at uh not cinderella but like tangled and rapunzel you know the witch loves rapunzel or whatever and so they want she she says she wants to keep her safe right in the tower i mean that's that's keep that's kidnapping under the guise of love i just don't understand the movies i don't understand how he's coming to this conclusion that like this movie is trying to tell people that like this is okay because it's like he kills like almost all of the people ever in the universe and he's like the main force of evil like how how is he coming to this conclusion that anyone's defending this shit it he's supposed to be the one that you're fighting against claud why everything wrong and i don't think this is portrayed as like a good thing this is the i think this is the problem um the film confirms for the audience that you need to sacrifice someone you love to get the soul stone so he throws her off despite being someone who caused her a lot of damage in her life and it confirms the film is like yes he did love her meaning that his abuse of her is confirmed to someone's love and again i'm just like yeah that's something that occurs in real life it's like he's trying to say that because it's uh they tried to make the villain more relatable which is something that a lot of stories try to do that they're going to be like see he's not like the most evil person ever they're okay it's like no he's still evil but you're trying to make him relatable because that's a more um enticing villain and like this somebody in the chat brought up the incredibles bad guy syndrome like these people watching credibles too violent i mean yeah well we can sit here literally all day pick any children's content and then just think of the worst thing that could be interpreted from it it's easy and um the idea that marvel confirmed through the mechanics of this universe that Thanos truly did love her and that he was shown in the film as abuse in telling children that abuse is a form of love that's i think what their concern is but the fact is it's like don't you understand these people exist there are people in the world they're monsters love people too as like you you don't i don't think you get it it's like it's about Thanos's character and you'd be like well that's he hits me because he loves me even if that's true it's inappropriate for children at which point i just be like i mean watching anything from like yeah you're not giving enough credit to children's content especially older Disney stuff there's plenty of deeper themes and questions to be asked about what stuff means what it's just like you decided to dig into infinity war for some reason you didn't dig into anything else look at the lion king that wasn't exactly like yeah it's a super light child friendly this is all sun shines and rainbows like no you remember the main character spider-man one Sam Raimi's one where spider-man's like torn to shit by the end of it like the whole costumes fucked up and his blood all over his face and like oh yeah i was about to kill just be like that's pretty that's pretty intense but maybe maybe that's not the argument maybe it always has to be an inference thing which means i just come back to adventure time like you show people falling apart you show you'll be happily because if someone's gonna be like they're candy though they're not humans i should be like these aren't humans they're clearly different species it's like how how semantic do you want to get on this one i'm calling you a hypocrite if you think that this film has bad message for kids but no other content from children's could possibly be interpreted that way and besides let's be fair think of the children is one of the most annoying fucking arguments in history there's plenty of children who would fucking adore this shit i know i would have a i don't even know what age group they're talking about by the way i mean i liked the first transformers back when i was a kid the films are 12 in my country obviously um that means anybody 12 and above can go and see this do you think it's suitable for anybody 12 and above guys oh yeah i'd say so yeah i'd say there's nothing too intense um and i'm curious what the age ratings on other films are i wonder if star wars is a 12 or not someone pointed out watershed down is intense i mean that's a gory ass kids move that shit's fucking that's hardcore that's a twisted film i just it reminds me of the whole thing about um you know like how you should never portray things that make women we need more women in films to let women know that they can be actors and like to me i'm just like stop making women and children so absurdly stupid that they just they watch infinity war and decide they need to stop punching people they love like really it's it reminds me of the whole like if they play doom they're gonna start killing people it's like okay i played quake when i was like seven it's i just yeah you lost me but you know we'll let him keep going i suppose no what i'm not even close and even if even if that were the case there's plenty of love is love in the film like sacrifice and family and friendship and stuff i mean did she not catch the part where uh scarlet witch was like torn up inside as she was literally killing vision are they arguing that that they're saying abuse is only love like there's no bad side to abuse that it is love like i'm i don't know i guess i'll have to see oh yeah there's there's a whole lovecraftian element to adventure time that's true um this grizzly deaths his face worse than death in the actual show the show gets very crazy but it's all housed in this very friendly doughy happy simplistic environment so it's you know kids won't notice the uh the other stuff going on hopefully but again the interpretive stuff is just fucking annoying plus filmmaking that's why the positive movie guy is so pissed off but before i transition over to Thanos let's talk about the guardians first what does this have to do with the video called let's talk about Thanos why are you transitioning to the guardians of the galaxy what does this have to do with anything french bullshit i don't think this film really understood or nailed the tone of the guardians of the oh i thought they fucking masterfully put it in i thought it was one of the best parts of the film i mean it was really seamlessly transitioned i can't believe how well the guardians film slotted right into avengers this tone like it was but you know it both me and and mickey have now made opposing statements neither of us have arguments but i wonder if he's gonna provide any of this let's have a look and usually that would be easily set aside but this one's complicated what cannot be set aside is gamora and quill especially gamora because y'all did her dirty or nebula half literally inch oh he likes just to just not qualify anything we do not qualify less non sequitur meme more explanation yeah like stop wasting time on just making more points that don't go anywhere she didn't strike me as being any different in this movie as she was guardian it literally felt exactly like a guardian every time they yeah i mean i literally introduced as being tortured for months on end and left in suspended disassembled of course he's smirking he's just proven his daughter to be a liar he outs fox to he's satisfied he's not a fucking good guy stop acting like the film thinks he's a good guy well that's the thing he he immediately opened this up with saying that protagonist which is like so wrong it means he has to be a good guy apparently i don't know yeah all yeah protagonist doesn't have to be a good moral person citizen gang punisher i mean he's supposed to be gray that's the point of him right i star killer forson leashed any character in joe abercrombie's books gerald of rivia where thanos can just inflict untold pain in his daughter whenever he wants like i get yeah that's what that's what bad guys do he's doing it for a point though he's actually doing it for reason in this scene he's not just doing it he's like literally trying to get more to do is are handled in this movie quill spent two movies learning what it meant to be an adult i'll see whoa not sure i agree with that one learning what it meant to be an adult i don't think he was doing anything else but being an adult i would rather argue he learned more about like opening up to a he basically creates a new family by the end of it right because he's lost his and the ravages he always looked at yandu as being someone who was never his actual friend who's always trying to abuse or eat him as he says and so it's he's a lone ranger and he's actually gonna work with people now i don't know about he learned to be an adult i i'd love to hear the uh perspective on that one through the lens of coming to grips with the death of his parents one he himself had to kill to save the galaxy coming to grips with adult responsibility and learning not to be an idiotic man child and you literally showed the scene where he idiotically overreacted and tried to kill someone who can't be killed and it ended up getting himself captured i'm pretty sure the point is that he's an incredibly emotional creature you see that in infinity war this is strange this is the thing now he's making all these arguments for guardians of the galaxy that he's not qualifying when we would just go in through the ones about Thanos it's like come on dude almost like these films were autobiographical for james gun he himself coming to grips with the james guns did the fucking consulting on the guardians in infinity war dude shock artists he used to be and trying to be a better person and learn through his art things disney already knew about and fired him anyway on behalf of a lot of people acting in 100 sure but like what does this have to do with the video even even i don't even agree that these people are arguing in bed faith let's see that you're doing the macintosh thing you're doing the sjw thing where you assume everybody's intention you label them as having those intentions and then you dismiss there's a lot of people who really just didn't want him anyway dn at disney stuff after seeing what he had written because that's up to them people feel things yeah that doesn't mean they're acting at bad faith acting at bad faith is is pretending to be outraged just because you don't like him oof at faith which disney also knew and it's easy to readily admit he made tasteless jokes about abuse in tweets he deleted and apologized for as he grew as a human i mean i agree but it's still on disney's part to decide if they want to keep him hired or not that's up to them i can disagree with the decision all i want but like what are you what are you trying to prove he apologized for the thing he did okay they can still fire him it's not like it's illegal confused is just the person he was at the beginning of the first movie he's impulsive childish he was impulsive in guardians too there's no way that you couldn't argue that makes mistakes that gamora pays for with her life and even after she how does he how does his mistake what how does he yeah he pulled the trigger but the only reason that her that her brains didn't get splattered all over the place is because Thanos turned into a bubble gun and that was after all of the guardians ignored his attempt to create a plan if you remember a plan the ends up doing on titan that works by the way until he obviously ruins it himself but when does he cost her life i don't know i mean he they were on a different planet at the time so yeah i actually would argue that the guardians themselves as a team are pretty childish gamora is like the mum you know like the team of them are all very let's say underdeveloped under matured and like that's a part of the charm unfocused kind of because they're all just sort of you know and that's a great part of them they're like a big family it's awesome um but quill is certainly not a paragon of maturity by the end of guardians too i certainly wouldn't say that myself he dies he's still making the same mistakes so he's not even learning from the shit in your own movie like the avengers win but he's just so mad about the woman he might be in love with the most might be love with he might be have you seen these films say like what the hell he almost killed himself in the first movie to save her life and the second they possibly say otherwise the second film he's trying to get in her pants throughout the whole thing and it's only at the end but they actually finally hook up because he's obsessed he really likes her and they get really really out of their way to show in the infinity war just how much he means to her they are literally says that he loves her in infinity yeah this is there's a lot of time spent on those two you have to actually be fair here that marvel put their legwork in with those two they developed that relationship this is what do you mean he just shows ownership over her the end shows ownership ownership oh my god why do you have to make it about these things why can't you use references i'm sure he'll give us an example he took my girl that's like a 70s thing to say really that doesn't mean that the girl belongs to him it's like my husband my wife my man they belong to you they're they they're isn't that something people say in like every single relationship ever oh yeah we are such a cock like steve that you'll be like i actually belong to her like i can't believe i'm saying this but it's a culture thing what him saying that there's a reason why he would say that and that tony wouldn't because because and she would say my boyfriend i mean if my girlfriend says the same thing to me does that mean that she's exerting ownership would it have been okay if he had said my girlfriend that's the question isn't it would it have been okay if he said my girlfriend or would that be still possessive i don't know it's this guy's fucking someone said my baguette what do you mean manufactured steaks is about him getting the killing everyone at the end are they manufactured it's literally been since avengers that we knew about this and that was what 2011 was it how do i don't understand does love her is legitimately revolting you think it's revolting that thanos loves her this is where you're losing me uh bad people love to yeah bad people love um what's the right yeah i mean come on oh hey hit where like the animals i guess we shouldn't like it's um that's disgusting 310 to yuma have either of you guys seen that movie i have not i've never heard of it so the film is about uh be uh like an outlaw who's really uh just really well known he's being taken from sit you know town a to a train the 310 to yuma to be hanged in yuma and uh along the way he's got a bunch of people with him and um he's not even worried because but basically the angle is that he's he's you could argue he's a lot like um he's very confident almost like a cool good guy sort of thing you kind of like sort of get interested in him but then um is his logic is he could easily win at any moment and it's everyone's sort of getting along the christian bail and russell crow the main characters and they're sort of having a back and forth trying to figure each other out and there's a scene where there's a guy he actually has a bit of a history within that group who starts insulting his mother and like he's getting more and more frustrated as time goes on until he snaps and like gets uh he breaks free and basically throws the guy right off a cliff that they were near and uh i'm talking about the remake as well and um before he does it he says even bad men love their mamas and throws it and it's like it's a it's a line I always remember because it's just like yeah bad people love people it's a thing you might want to look into it I'm sorry I mean sure there is like the fun archetype uh there's a typical villain like sauron or the emperor you know those are fun but there's also like villains like they try to do with Thanos where they try to make him you know relatively relatable so that it's like oh there there's some human characteristics behind him kind of like the joker with the dark knight they try to make him not just your typical villain you don't have to be like the most evil person ever in the history of anything you guys uh you can actually have some human characteristics you guys should refresh I'm gonna I'm gonna post it again so you guys can get there but Gareth's released a uh sexy man boob 300 subspecial and you should just check out the thumbnail dear look at that thumbnail oh boy hold up I'm pulling up YouTube oh my god wow that was that was quick Jared we'll probably we'll probably finish with that oh my god look at his bed holy shit that's some lower expansion right there the mattress the mattress is it's no we're looking inside we're looking inside the mattress the mattress the mattress has no cover it's just the springs holy shit how do you do that to a bed I've never seen the inside of a mattress before and wow wow and that's that's what the inside of a mattress as we're watching that as soon as I don't know put that up on the screen wall or so people can see it oh my god it's only yeah it's only a minute are we watching that too hot for YouTube my expectations are subverted well we'll give this a little bit more time but I mean that statement right there the whole bad people don't love like or it's it's what do you say it was it was disgusting or it was revolted let me back up just a bit piece of knowledge just so Thanos could kill her for manufactured stakes and using that death to prove that this abuser actually really does love her is legitimately revolted yeah I genuinely like I feel kind of condescending to say but it's like how naive are you do you think bad people don't love people do you think abusers don't love people maybe he thinks films are films have a responsibility to show that evil people are just evil throwing through to the core there's nothing human about them do you think that love can only be a good like happy positive thing that there's no toxic love do you know what some people do when they're like massively in love do you know what stalkers are I mean I was in abusive relationship for two years so it's this is why I this is why I'm saying I think you're naive I think you have no idea what these what the scope of love is I think that you've um you've looked at Marvel and said Marvel is saying that love isn't just happy and nice and that's disgusting it's like ooh hey someone said someone said Jews like people too no they don't that's just fucked up and rude we're talking about the real murder and murdered everyone she's ever known no just half of half of them this is important he only kills half of them yep there is a purpose to what he's doing I don't think he caught that cared about I don't know somebody's seeing the film through their own personal lens at this point just right would be very impressed see he gave her a knife which she uses on him and is crying over what's a little bit poetic wouldn't you say yeah it's like it's like poetry they rhyme exactly are you saying she love crying over what she fucking that was her whole life was with him that's all she knows yeah like what is wrong with you do you not understand that love is just not happy shiny everything what is wrong with you man why why are you trying to box in the emotion the the the experience of love Hitler's love of Germany drove him to do some kind of questionable things I don't this is insane this is terrible is that what you're saying and that's coming from the guy that gave you all the credit in the world this is a decision you made and all roads lead to huh sad music dude his his tone on this video is all over the fucking place this video is fucking awful I'm not even surprised anymore that he's the writer the empire strikes back ruined everything we took the wrong lessons from it every big clearly you did chapter what is the empire strikes back after you see he started his film with that music and saying that and now we're at part quattro or whatever the fuck french word or and now he's talking about it again so it's something all right then lessons from it every big franchise middle chapter feels the pole of empire the big act two then learns the wrong lessons and I get it act two the night is always darkest before the dawn but we're just trying to be unrelenting at this point oh spider man's gonna beg for his life dope dope what is your point here you know you these people understand how dead silent this theater was I don't I I think he's saying they took it too far but like who are you to say that they took it too far or didn't take it far enough what is your argument let me back let's take a look lenting at this point oh spider man's gonna beg for his life dope no we didn't like that that's yeah it means we didn't like it it means a lot we like the character a lot it's a great character so seeing him go like that in a that's the thing these when they die or whatever it's not like this heroic death you know it's not noble or anything they just disappear it's not something you can fight against either like does he just not like the concept of drama is it horrifying to him I don't know I think maybe that is the idea maybe the idea of conflict to him is or is it the we you know like the most common complaints the MCU was getting was the there was never any repercussions for any of the events everyone goes back to normal so like they do this and now they've gone too far you're not allowed to do this this is too much empire strikes back got it right when it chopped Luke's hand off and sent Han into carbonite that's what you're supposed to do I don't get it look there's absolutely no way to say the adventures infinity war is a bad film okay it's an astonishing and occasionally tiring awesome thing that's why mileage varies on how different people react to different films it seems to take some cheap shortcuts in an effort to have the universe pay attention to a man who doesn't listen to logic or reason with terrible ideas but he does listen to logic and reason his own yeah complicated it's not yeah he does use logic and reason to find a solution if you remember the part where he says like dr strange criticizes him and I think the two times that he is at all about perspective he says oh yeah you're a prophet for predicting everyone was going to die from lack of resources and he says I'm a survivor so it's like oh you get an idea of how he considers himself and then he says that um you know he suggested a solution and then um dr strange says yeah genocide and then he came back with um what's the line he says something like where i'm going with this is that he would change he wouldn't say genocide he would say salvation for example he's got internal logic and it's fucked but it's there consistent and do a bunch of aggressively violent stuff to kill have the universe because he bullheadedly thinks he's right off the universe it's not aggressively violent stuff he literally poofs the amount of existence he actually says that's why it's preferable it's mercy they don't have to be murdered well you know depending on your definition don't have to starve or be killed by people in desperation yeah like come on this is just you're not giving the movie any credit here you just like dropping out loads of details even when people tell him he's not a little one it's a simple calculus this universe is finite it's resources finite if life is left unchecked life will cease to exist it needs correct you don't know that i'm the only one who knows that i think at 2018 that do you think that proves something anyone um well if i'm wondering why that scene doesn't tell mickey anything i he's like he taught again he keeps coming back to that scene he tortured her to get the soul stone to complete his plan if like let me level with you mickey if you thought that there was there was a button in your house you could press that'll save everyone and that the only thing stopping you was like a like a cat that was permanently stuck to it and the only way to do it was to chop through it wouldn't you say that's worth it and then it's just like okay so let's scale that up would you say it's worth it for um you know a person who's on their deathbed anyway it's like oh yeah i guess it's like okay is it worth someone who isn't on the deathbed but they're 80 years old you're like maybe it's like you know it's it's Thanos decided that it is absolutely worth torturing nebula to be able to save the world it's you know i don't know what to say that's a thing just a little tough to find entertaining for a lot of someone in the chat said mattress lives man oh and he just said it's difficult to find it entertaining it's like well that's that's on you to find entertaining it's actually a pretty uh if it's engaging and it holds your attention and you're riveted by it and if it thrills you you know it's like being terrified in a movie or a video game is that entertaining oh it's almost just destroying half the life would like ruin ecosystems everywhere and it's like yeah this is the thing i don't think the film's arguing that Thanos is right he thinks he's right because he did it with the population before and it worked that's enough to convince him does it with sentient life that builds civilizations not like animal populations yeah we don't even know maybe maybe that is what happens maybe it doesn't it's you know he's a villain okay yeah the whole point is he says it's better that half of everybody dies because i think that if we don't everyone will die and like i'm trying to argue what he what he might say to all these things but things like whoever even gets to ask him these questions i don't think there's a that doesn't happen in the film and if it did who knows what he would say it's a movie where the abuser won after murdering one of his daughters i mean this is part one by the way i don't think he's gonna win overall but sure he's crazy he's insane he's the mad titan numerous people tweeted at me when i applied even the gentlest pressure to his story i think his narrative does a disservice to the world by continuing to just sort of make up whatever suits our punch books validation for a villain for starters that's not remotely how mental illness works uh is he mentally ill you are gonna tell the world what mental illness works like you just said that you had like a ptsd attack because you watched infinity war i don't think you should be telling other people how mentally ill they are i'm sorry but like to even pretend that there's not a mentally ill person out there who actually could reach the point of being like a Thanos it's like of course there could be mental illness is not like restricted had mental issues baby the scale of mental illness is insane you get people out there who are convinced that they gain power from eating their own fingers or something it's it's not really limited and this continued proliferation of manufactured narrative fool for explicitly to give our villains a reason to be comically evil is detrimental to us as a species what detrimental to us as a species it's detrimental to us to have Thanos this is this don't forget this is the same guy who wrote aliens green everyone in the audience that he has played that game so whenever he says anything about writing you can disregard everything because he doesn't i mean when that's your uh when that's on your resume and you're the sole writer of aliens colonial marines um yeah your opinion on what writing is and just the fact that it's damaged at that point it's it's crazy how people can take things from media like this like is this really what you see damn man our inability aliens colonial marines was detrimental to our species detrimental to our species and mental health in this country the portrayal of Thanos and infinity war who is often lauded as an excellent villain is detrimental to our species and mental health because his craziness is used as an excuse or something about mental health in this country while simultaneously pumping out entertainment that just invents whatever conditions for mental health it wants since when did the film actually state that he was mentally ill and that mental illness is the reason he's a villain like when when is that the thing that happens and who the fuck goes to who the hell looks at a mentally ill person and says they're just like the villain of a comic book because i'm assuming his point is that the film is trivializing mental illness to the point where it's saying if you're mentally ill you're probably just gonna be a villain because that's how villains work but i mean there was nothing there was nothing that even indicated him being mentally ill i was gonna say with how little they actually present he's consisted to himself that's kind of the point if anything he's like really he's like kind of creepily mentally stable throughout all of this this is the thing because i genuinely think if we had a scene where Dr Strange was like why don't you double the resources and then let's say Thanos actually could do that you could easily see him being like that doesn't solve the problem it only stalls it and then he's like well halving the population is the same thing how is that going to do anything but stall it and then he's like it'll be a lesson imagine that you know like we never get to have these conversations because Thanos is too busy actually enacting his plan like we don't know for sure that you you've you've you've converted him into insane because you have all these reasons for why his plan won't work but you don't know that he considers those valid is kind of what i'm getting at here so you're like he's obviously being portrayed as an insane person and it's like that that's not necessarily the truth at all the film does not come across as very lucid yeah that's he's he's not he's very calm in a lot of scenes that's when he does things he doesn't like he cries he doesn't like it he doesn't want to do it crappy that's not an infinity war problem that's a comic problem like batman locks people up in an asylum that never makes any effort to rehabilitate them oh no what wow okay what a terrible well shut down comics i guess i got a what's his point there that that is set a bad example for real life mental institutions what's his point there like that's that's happening in Arkham you can actually absolutely criticize Arkham for that but it's fictional and they're saying that that's how it works i don't understand is he saying a set a bad example for mentally ill people no i don't know a whole lot i don't know a whole lot about the batman universe to be perfectly honest but from what little i've seen from like what little comics i've read i don't think arkham asylum was ever painted as this like super happy nice place where villains get rehabilitated and like he's probably i just i just find it interesting that he's like criticizing batman for that it's like yeah batman you should just be killing them what's wrong with you but fucking capturing them and you know i find it hard to believe i'm pretty sure in the batman games they have tapes you can pick up with the you know institutional people are actually interviewing and talking to the the members about their problems and trying to figure them out the idea that they don't help them at all i think even from my perspective who's someone who's not even read a batman comic ever would be like i don't believe you i want someone who's batman savvy just to confirm that at least three people who are batman savvy just sort of accepted that people with labeled mental illnesses are inherently not worthy of saving what wow i i get that from i yeah that's that's that's straight out of left field there that's jarred makes more sense than this you know how we said that uh we go to jarred and then we we come back down to the ground with something like like this or macintosh we come back to reality i think it's the reverse jarred jarred binds us back to the ground or tether to what's you know what's real he's what keeps us sane somehow the infinity war problem is sort of worse a lot of people kept telling me it's supposed to be a dumb plan it doesn't need to make sense that was the point but the people that made this movie don't believe that it's a false justification they think he's empathetic we wanted to tell a story about a character with a really complex and empathetic interior this is the only you can you are arguing you should not empathize with his goals which are to save everyone obviously ones that you could that are complicated and who can justify what they want to do and even better if you can empathize with them in some way they're not just cartoon characters of an evil laughing villain archetype someone said that um doesn't batman have mental issues himself and it's like yeah i'm pretty sure he does despite being portrayed as the hero throughout yeah there's a lot of heroic characters who have mental illness to deal with and someone said that um i'm going back on my idea that you can't involve third party media i'm not sure what you're criticizing there he mentioned the batman comics i said from playing the batman game that i know that they actually tried to rehabilitate through that so i want to know for sure from people who actually know batman comics if it's true or not because obviously yeah and like i said i don't know a whole lot yeah so so if it's just like what little i can clean from like what little i've read it was like well seems like a shitty place but that's yeah i knew he was locking himself in here because he's saying like you should not be able to empathize with Thanos to empathize is to understand and share the feelings of another so as long as you at least understand or share at least one feeling that Thanos has you can empathize with him because humans can do that that's a thing humans do you can't just go you shouldn't empathize with him unless you're well this is where he's going to start folding in on himself what if mentally ill people empathize with Thanos what are you gonna say then gonna say they're wrong you're gonna say that they're not actually mentally ill like you can empathize with people and still see them as villains and terrible people this is why i really feel it's important to separate um subjectivity from objectivity when it comes to subjectivity empathizing with someone you're never gonna catch me willful rags i would assume uh arguing in our videos that you cannot empathize with this character okay so don't be like yeah there's i'm not gonna tell you that you're watching the solution he's seen it firsthand on his planet Thanos is a very complex character what he's doing from his point of view is a very positive thing Thanos is the greatest villain in the history of Marvel Cinematic Universe i agree with all of those statements i think so he paints this as though it's a bad thing he's trying to it's like i've exposed them with those clips and i'm like yes yeah that that everything they said is true well it's like we just to screw on this fundamental idea that we think empathizing with a villain can make for a great villain and i guess he thinks that you shouldn't be able to empathize with the villain it's hard to say because the game is thrown so no the horrible characters in there and you empathize with a lot of them even if they're bad people someone said why are you judging Mikey for it as if like we're being hypocritical uh i'm only countering his statement that you somehow shouldn't empathize with Thanos if you were saying in my opinion you should not empathize with Thanos i would still disagree with it because that's not an opinion that's like literally a statement about the ability to be able to empathize which is not something that could ever be judged to uh literally everyone can empathize with anything that's the premise of those words you can't just go i disagree with the definition of words now that's my opinion um but if he said he doesn't empathize with Thanos that's fine of course anybody could both not and do empathize with him i don't know it's up to them but um it's just bizarre why would you even try and say that that you can't empathize with him or i'm guessing this narrative is now getting regurgitated into the world Thanos my boy has the point you don't gotta go far to find people to believe that because humans like easy solutions to complex infrastructural problems is killing half of all sentient life an easy solution don't even why why is he saying like this is a bad thing so he agrees that you can empathize with him then because people are right anything he shouldn't i guess he's saying yeah which is you can explore that i suppose but stop pretending like this is some kind of like the opposite they didn't okay so quick math seriously this is one of the most tonally bulked videos like this is very strange i don't know didn't he just do like the slow piano like half a minute ago or even less the last Jedi tone i don't know why do you want me to fail break if you deleted half of the world's population it would get you back to about 1970 or around full generation your parents would be fine in other words 200 years ago there would be less than one billion people on the planet um Thanos don't math good for Thanos oh but let me present you a counter argument Thanos halved the population of a planet and it fixed their resources and ecosystem completely now i'm not saying it should have done that i'm saying that the film told us that's what happened that is a fact in their universe that he's basing his logic off okay it worked like that's the that's the point right you don't have to prove to me that it's not a good plan because i never thought it was a good plan but he's disgusting and evil this is plan to make a dent and actually come off as a good plan and the way that a lot of poop who heads on the internet are suggesting it would have value poop who heads what is this video man like what what a child confused as to what you tried it he like opens earlier with talking about how like this is inappropriate for children because it's abuse and love and he had a panic attack because of the abuse or the depression he was going through at certain points very adult and he's like you're a poop who head okay you'd have to take the population also someone said but yeah some people think it's a good plan though like that's an issue that's not a bad thing from my position it's it's open for discussion about that because what they say then is that we should do it or something like that and then you have people talk to them about how they shouldn't do it and it's a conversation that happened because of the character portrayal it's only a bad thing it's only a good plan because they think it will actually work to give you a comparison plan but it it will be effective if anyone's watched Game of Thrones Tywin Lannister makes a lot of very very immoral decisions arguably in order to end the war that's how he justifies it and um I actually would argue that he had a great fucking plan if you considered him the good guy the whole time which you could he's very very uh I guess you pragmatic would be the word he's trying to find the best easiest quickest way to win and he wants to I believe this is a this is a law thing so I'm cheating right I accept that I'm not using it as an argument for the show I'm simply sharing that if you read the books and you knew the the history uh the kingdom considered the rule under Aries the first or the mad king to be the best when he basically wasn't doing anything and it was Tywin's leadership as hand of the king that the the kingdom was in its golden age essentially because Tywin was one of like the best kings ever and he should have been on the Iron Throne from fucking start to finish because he's super intelligent he just kept getting pushed into a position where he had to be essentially evil now um there's loads to discuss on that it's fucking fascinating but then you've got people who are like Thanos was the good guy his plan would have worked we should oh Aries the second sorry um and then you know you you have that discussion I mean if if there was a world leader who rose and was powerful enough to enslave humanity and kill half of us and then let us go and he said the whole reason he did was because he was influenced by um Avengers Infinity War then I mean I suppose you could say that they're responsible for doing that but again you would have to argue that that person was also insane and it was just waiting for the right movie to come across that you would just do that with you know it's a bit it's a bit of a stretch more stuff suck it off Tywin no I love him he's amazing back to around 2000 BCE when there was around 72 million people on the planet or uh let me get my calculator uh 0.972 percent of what we have now and that would only buy you 4 000 years before you encountered the same problem again because it isn't a solution it's a reason do you guys follow what I'm saying though the whole like it worked for him on that planet so this is all irrelevant yeah they've established that it works it works for him in this universe it works so we don't we don't need this like this is all relevant to him on the character like literally if you just said all that the Thanos Thanos would be like yours you just criticize the statistics in some way shape or form that's a dunk on the writing it's arbitrarily ah you don't get to talk shit about writing for the shock value okay sure you've not proven that it's uh it's broken yet you've only given a perspective for why why a president for example or why a logical smart happy good leader who's dealing with the difficulty in population overgrowth would choose not to do Thanos's plan which again Thanos is the villain is just putting it out there but i'm in the weeds now because plan is bad fine i'll accept it's dumb on purpose explanation because love this movie with all of your heart just understand why a lot of people felt left out in the cold by it it is when you say a lot do you mean like six or seven people a lot of people were left out by the cold i've never seen anyone who didn't like it actually yeah i have yet i mean i even have friends that like me are not huge marvel fans and all of them including me loved this it's very approachable here too for unseen in the comic book movie genre hell i don't know if film has ever had a movie with steaks oh yeah either i yeah for a lot of people what end of the world yeah end of the world in fact this is only half of the end of the yeah this isn't the end of like reality the stakes we're bigger in avengers age of ultron technically speaking they was gonna the ultron's plan was to wipe out humanity as a whole so i just wish that Thanos was played by Gandalf i don't know man face wizard man i'll get you oh gosh patrick will have got a new video called the storytelling language of star wars oh well i mean i'll check it out you know outside of the stream but if it's like particularly bad we could cover it but surely he's not gonna fuck up again well he's over too well you showed me that uh that list of his where he was like the phantom menace is better than revenge of the sith all right yeah so uh i don't know i don't think you could possibly get dumber than patrick warms we're unjustified all the same now that we have reached the top where do we go marvel can't really go all the way back to tony i don't think you understand we went higher than this before and we went back down technically speaking because again age of ultron was the end of the world avengers was arguably the end of the world too because they were invading force that were gonna wash over humanity that was the hope while this again is half of humanity gets wiped out the earth stays relatively unblown up if you know what i mean by comparison the stakes feel higher which is exactly what they should be able to achieve which i'm impressed with they make it feel like it's much more cataclysmic even though technically speaking it's not actually as bad as the other two which is good and that's okay but remember why your audience is there in the first place it's stung because it rings so empty you're not going to have to go far to find an adult who doesn't believe that anything you did in this movie is going to stick yeah that's fine it depends on what they do like if they resurrect every single character you'll easily catch me on the criticism train absolutely but you know let's be real here i'm not going to expect them to kill spider man permanently or black panther or dr strange i expect them to have killed vision and loki for sure i don't think we're gonna see them come back probably gonna kill off uh dracks permanently yeah that's there's a big chance that's gonna happen i would expect that tony and cap are gonna die in the next one by the way that's a very strong assumption based on contract information but we shall see is the if the question is will we see any repercussions from uh infinity wall part one and two in the rest of the mcu the answer i think would most certainly be fucking yes they'll just undo it the chorus refrains which sucks a little bit because now you've wield some very real trauma for a cheap theatric like i was at a cheap theater he doesn't know that because there's no sequel yet you can't know that for all we know every character dies in the next film for all you know it's just old or something because he has acolytes that follow him and spread his message with fervor but why who are these people one of them looks like a blizzard cutscene why do we i mean yeah i agree but why do we need to know why they follow him i mean maybe they believe maybe they think like he does especially if he's got the proof to back it up like they're practically just soldiers do we need to know why every one of the dog creatures follow this as well i don't know they believe they believe in this cause enough to fight for it i mean the thing is man they really take advantage of all the time they have in this film but i guess we could have had scenes where the four the four acolytes sat down they went you know following thomas is great because when i was a boy i really wanted to i don't know i want i wanted to rescue the world from itself and then they go yeah me too man okay you can do it i just don't think it matters because these people were invented for this film to be i guess antagonists like this what's important is our heroes because they're the you know anthanos obviously i don't know i guess yeah just comes down to why do we need to know why these people are fighting with him as opposed to what he's doing it for and and how far do we go with this how many more people do we need do we need to know every individual person in black panthers army why each of them fight i don't know where do we go from here i guess you'll find out but it feels like we found out that it's possible to eat too much chocolate i feel like we spoiled our dinner it's just too much like maybe don't build no way i think i'm like most people i'm super excited for the next one i'm ready oh yeah i'm so ready for more i'm so ready for more as people could have just said like how do you raise the stakes after the avengers film because we just had the world ending and now we don't then you go age of ultron how'd you raise the stakes again because we just had the world ending and there's no it's like here we go again every single avengers movie is about the movie was it Thor 2 about the world ending well this is the thing the mcu's had the world and several times and the funny thing is infinity war is not about the world ending that's just i can't believe he said he's totally like skipped over that detail which is fascinating to me because it makes me feel like the russos did a good job they made it feel like the world was ending despite the fact that it wasn't yeah the characters we care about the characters and when characters are affected by maybe a lesser calamity their characters we care about so it feels more important and impactful characters sympathies just spitballing here and i'm sure marvel is already aware of this and they need to scale back down it felt better when there was some yeah the characters and they probably will scale back down with you know they did with ant man and the wasp they're probably gonna do it the spider-man film they'll probably do it the next doctor strange film they'll probably do it the next black panther film because you're asking why the stakes are so high in the third avengers film it's like well because that's pretty much capping out maximum investment for all the characters coming together that's that's what we want to see we don't want to see them all come together and then have to beat some guy who stole a lady's bag you'll be like oh wow they certainly showed him as you were saying like half of that was about a guy's relationship with his daughter yeah these are very smaller stories these are not the avengers films are not the time for small stories yeah he's a lot of people a lot of stuff going on yeah but you can still have characters on these wild rides like our pov character in this movie is sort of Thanos more to prove that the villain could be the protagonist than anything this is not the movie that this is not the piece of media that proves that the protagonist can't be or can be the villain yeah i'm still confused on that part nothing else not to mention just having a point of view doesn't automatically make him the protagonist or even a protagonist someone just said constant escalation is terrible writing and it's like yeah what does this guy want that we just like constantly go up and then he's like the second we reach maximum it's over i should be like no they go back down the cosmos and then reality itself or like what and then what we're just done with movies i have to ask him has he ever watched a tv show we don't have a hero they peek at the end of the season then go back down people just repeatedly emerge from the shadows i was i'm confused what point was that he earned like three seconds of sympathy in a scene how you been like no there were other you have to watch civil war captain america one and two because that means more once you get the context is the whole premise of the mcu man i mean i will say i wish that there was more of bucky in infinity war or infinite yeah infinity war i almost called it infinite warfare stop using infinite in your titles and vision engage your sympathies but then the inside of his skull gets scooped out like a cantaloupe so i'm i'm assuming they they broke up there's not a story it's no he died don't i don't get this guy at all i don't understand man this guy's just cosmonaut variety hour oh no and i hate him just as much not yeah not a fan of channel either but like at least with macintosh i understand exactly what he's up to same with down with thrust but like with this this is all over the place not a narrative which is fine what do you think he's trying to tell you in this video what would you guys try and summarize it as the character of thanas is inherently flawed for the purposes of the film i think that uh i think he's trying to say that you can't have relatable bad people because then that makes bad people more i don't know see my point was i've got like eight different things that i think he was trying to say they're all over the place like mental illness being portrayed in hollywood is a problem because they don't do it correctly um villains in comic books are often provided mental illness because they don't know how to generate villains correctly uh thanos himself is is is poorly written because he doesn't understand the statistics of his own plan not working out well enough you know i forgot to mention by the way he was talking about our population and do you remember the planet that thanos attacked was like it looked kind of stone age-ish they were all in like huts and they're all in like cloth clothing so you know like but what i'm trying to say is like it'll be different for every planet and that maybe thanos would argue that for the few planets it won't function for it'll be worth it for the rest again these there's so many things you could explore the point is that we just needed to know why he was motivated to do it and the film gave us what we needed for that um but yeah you know that's that's just there's so many other things tied into this video that i don't really i'm just wondering how he's going to cap it off because you know when you summarize at the end you're like so my point is the blah blah blah so i just wonder which one of the 17 he's going to pick but that don't make you empire don't chase the misery what is his problem with empire i think he likes it i genuinely don't understand what he's trying to get at with empire don't chase the misery of empire maybe he is equating all negative emotion or low points in films to being bad i think he's saying that empire started a trend where you put your heroes in a down place just before letting them win and that everyone else is trying to copy empire and they're failing miserably because they're arbitrarily throwing their heroes into bad i mean it wasn't even an empire that started that because i mean the two towers uh the book was written in the fifties and that ended in low place too isn't it a part of like the hero's journey or whatever which is predating yeah that yeah i mean that that's centuries old that's that's nothing new you can go all the way back someone just said if empire was a trend it started with socrates yeah even before that the what was it the um oh god the the epic of gilgamesh with his relationship with inkadoo you know he got it was empire no okay it was empire venture servers it's the most original thing ever hit us with misery non-stop and you might as well be the walking dead what so walking dead is on par with infinity one now okay all right well i quit watching the show last and i tell you right now is here i'm well that was shit oh goodness me hello everyone kiran lures david macintosh shan steve matt has a gersak marsh and jerry all right well that was that um that was awful that was garbage why is it that every time we do this jerry it is always the best highlight we get out of it yeah how is it that he always manages to be the best we should just end off seeing himself better than you maybe that's true he's trying to change your mind he's trying to teach you something oh yeah i don't know i was a better teacher and mentor how do you think he ranks among the others i mean they're all bad um i put them right beneath macintosh do you think that maybe at some point we should watch someone who's good and then try and be like in a way that like try and explain why they're doing well in terms of their explanation or something it would be difficult because then we might like we'll just be like sitting here being like yeah we agree yeah because we don't want to fit into a reaction there just wouldn't be a whole lot of discussion like we do when we disagree with someone because this is the thing like it may come across that we just think there are no people that can make good video essays or something i mean people recommend videos to us all the times did you watch do you guys watch the thing i posted on twitter the um the three minute video about iron man no i haven't oh we could i could put that on for you you might actually um wait we i think we should probably call it there well actually okay wait or we can break it up and end with that one minute jared yeah i was gonna say we'll do the jarred video and then i'll send you guys the iam m1 it's not necessarily a video essay i was just gonna say it was just really good for the amount of time that it was used you know i got you they take advantage of the time like jarred does you know it's very efficient but um yeah yeah so we'll end out on on jarred here we go he's celebrating his 300 subscribers and that bed my god how did you do it jared i think he moved the fish tank back into that corner and he moved his skateboard forward it's like he needs to make a new uh uh room tour every other day the room evolves he's like he's like constantly shooting like hogwarts what are you doing i love the giraffe he's all too plushy like what am i sexy two plushies uh the giraffe in the moose anyway guys he's great the ninja turtles hat with like the spikes coming out of it he's just man he could he could he could cut something with those nipples right now like yeah they are just because shrooting he is he's gotta be cold in that room do you live in alaska no he lives in the south why why why are you doing this why is this what you go with 300 subs this is what the people what they want to see i mean it'll be 400 if it's not already because we'll just oh my god this is incredible he's gonna teach us the secrets of the world through interpretive dance why did he feel like this was what he had to make is this all it is just gonna add peace peace shout out to my homies tina's you ninja turtles you got the ninja turtles hat yeah and it has spikes on it too well um that was a celebratory video because our little jarred is getting further and further now so we're gonna spam his channel and chat again give him a subscription you'll get covered to take us back down from the assayists that we always if we can get him if we can get him to 500 subs i mean who knows i'm kind of afraid to find out what he'll do if he gets 500 subs um and yeah so a lot of people have been asking about uh what i'm gonna do with these streams because obviously i've only ever let one go public and it's because it was the patrick williams thing which was just so bad i don't i genuinely think it'd be interesting to start ranking the videos we see how bad they are just to see what the worst one was because the plot holes one like do you think we're ever gonna come across them in worse than that man that's when that one's rough because he's genuinely just he's not he's i mean he is incompetent yeah but he thinks he's actually trying to make a good um position against plot holes or that you should ignore them and that logic doesn't matter and openly saying it ironically that you can watch you're watching films the wrong way but yeah so the what i'm doing now is i start up a second channel maybe it depends on what we can actually do because you know we've all got our own schedules but i mean we kind of do want to start doing this more often because it's a lot of fun we can take recommendations for other essayists to check out there's always going to be more jarred especially with promoting them so i've i've got a second channel prepared for this and it's it's it's i'll just spam it in chat so i'll it'll go on my discord as well but wait remove any web addresses for oh i can't post it as my fucking god damn it hang on if i post as my other thing you have not approved i didn't make myself a thingy hang on um yeah so in a like a couple weeks i'll be doing the next episode of my podcast on my channel and we'll have act man on so i assume are we gonna are we gonna cover jarred on that or oh obviously i mean come on we have to introduce everyone to jarred i was act man gonna react to that i i don't really know we're gonna find out where my chat is frozen is it still working for you guys yeah it's running yeah if the link is out then it's good because basically we've done two in this format anyway the one where we did um jarred and i don't even remember i think it's down with thrust and then episode two is the willams thing and then this will be three and again my chat's just dead now which is great um the uh we're kind of interested in finding a name for whatever we're doing here if someone could come up with an actual decent name we'd adopt it because i don't fucking know what name we should use even i i don't think i've even uh just just just any ideas uh open to to even you we can actually be the sober nobles doesn't that already works if you actually do the drug of heads that you just be like why um but yeah so all these streams will go on that channel and uh video response theory yiff and mall stream oh i like i like video response theory actually it's not bad i like video response theory i'ma put that in the suggestion box 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