 So, nach zweieinhalb Jahren... Well, after two and a half years of an hiatus, we are back here in Davos. And I am overjoyed to be able to welcome you here to our open forum in May 2022. As you can see, we are here in a new location this year. Usually we are in the school location, but at this moment students are sitting exams, so we have our fingers crossed for all of those students sitting their exams today. The forum this year will be dedicated to a number of different subjects. Of course, we will talk about the Covid pandemic, about the ripple effects that this pandemic will have, about the Russian troops in Ukraine, but we will also talk about the role of our international community, where Europe stands today about climate change and many other challenges. As every year we will listen to a number of different voices. Here is part of the open forum. One example is the session Mental Health for young people. This session was prepared together with students from Geneva, and they will also help moderate this session. We will also introduce a member of the global shapers community as members of each session. What is this community? It is a number of people who are younger than 30 years old and come from all walks and backgrounds of life. We will also be able to welcome a young woman from Ukraine who has opened the so called shapers hub in Ukraine. She uses this platform to support people who were displaced by this war. I am overjoyed to be able to welcome Vitaly Klitschko, Kyiv's Mayor and his brother Vladimir. Both of them will talk about the effects that the Russian invasion had on both them and their country. Vitaly Klitschko and Vladimir Klitschko on stage together with the moderator Haslinda from Singapore. We are really honoured that you are here with us, that you take time out of your busy schedules and share with us what the situation there is. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. We would love for it to be interactive. You will have a chance to ask your questions later on in the conversation. I would also love for you to be involved in the social media sphere. Please do tweet or engage on LinkedIn and so on so forth. Some hashtags to remember. It's hashtag WEF22 as well as hashtag open forum. We would love for you to participate. It was about three months ago that Russia attacked Ukraine in the early hours of the morning. And three months on, it's become the worst war in Europe since World War Two. More than 10 million people have been displaced, thousands have died, thousands more have been injured. And right now, there is no end in sight. The war persists three months on. This open forum hopes to give you a feel of what it is on the ground, get a firsthand experience from the two brothers. I'm sure you're well acquainted. Between them, they have 40 global titles, so I've never felt safer. But they've never fought each other because it is a promise that they made to their mother. You've never fought each other. Wetterli, Wettermi, good to have you with us. First off, give us a sense, three months on, how it is like on the ground. What's more well like, what's the mood on the ground, Wetterli? Gennet, Gennet, starting. First of all, first of all, it's good to see you, every one of you. Great atmosphere, mountains, sunshine, spring almost finished. And right now, summertime, everybody have plans to vacation. The peaceful atmosphere is the same time, couple of thousand kilometers from here, died everyday people. Young people, old people, women, children. It's difficult to compare it right now, the great peaceful atmosphere and war somewhere else. It's difficult to understand that. First of all, couple of minutes, I know it's, we have 30 minutes time for this panel. That's why I try to put the whole information, everyone have to understand. The reason of this senseless war. The reason, we Ukrainian want to build democratic country, want to be the part of European family. It doesn't accept from Russian Federation. They see Ukraine as part of Russian Empire. It's very important puzzle in vision of Mr. Putin to rebuild Soviet Union. They talking right now in Kremlin about Baltic countries, Poland, former Soviet Empire and is a reason. Is a reason, everyone have to understand. Right now, the Russians break all rules, break all principles and it's not the war. First of all, never believe in Russia. They always cheating. Coming back, 1994. Ukraine was third country in the world with nuclear weapons. We give our nuclear weapons good will, we guarantee our independence, integrity. And Russians was one of the country who give to us the guarantee. Crimea in action. And in Crimea, everybody know from beginning, the Russians stay behind that. And the people with military uniform without identification is what the Russians told us. It's not our military, they was and everyone know that. The next Lugansk, the Russians told us it's civil war. But everyone know without money support, without propaganda, without weapons delivering to this region. It's never, never, never happen this conflict. Right now, the Russians told special operation against the military forces. The same God in Kiev was a lot of international journalists. They immediately go to Bucha, Erpienk, Borodianke and see the horrible images of liar, special operation. Killing children, women, old people, destroyed the cities. The Russians told, it's dennazification activity. People coming to government, Nazis, radicals, fascist, who headed Russians. Who make a pressure to the Russians. I told to my friends in Russia who told me that sorry, we are both in our bodies. Health of Russian blood because our mom is Russian. We have nothing against Russian nationality. We have a lot against Russian aggressive politics. 70 nations live in Ukraine. Ukraine all was peaceful country. We live peaceful people. We never was aggressive to anyone. But right now, we have to fight and have to defend. And also one messages Ukraine surprise many in the world. We stay in the front of one of the strongest army in the world, Russian army. And how we fighting so tough. Simple explanation. We Ukrainian defending our children families, our future, future of our children. And Russian soldier fighting for the money. Give question for yourself. Are you ready to die for the money? Are you ready to die for your children and your family? The simple answer. Why Ukrainian soldier fighting so tough. We defending our country, city, families and future of our children. Let me just post a question to Vladimir. I mean we talk about fighting, resisting. And I think the Russians themselves have been surprised by the resistance from Ukraine. Talk to us about how much longer the Ukrainians can fight for their country. Considering the bombardment that continues. It is first of all good day here in Davos. Peaceful day. This fighting will remain as long as we are alive. We are Ukrainians and I believe we are over 65 million Ukrainians around the world. And 45 ish in the country. There are probably 10 ish refugees that left the country, moved out of the country, relocated. There are families, as you heard from the mayor, families, friends, relatives, are connected with each other. And when someone really gets into your home and trying to replace you, trying to destroy your life. As it was done in Bucha, Gostomel, Erpin, Makarev, Ivankiv, Mariupol, Karikiv. We can count endlessly. We don't know how many, I mentioned how many have been removed from their permanent places. We don't know how many been killed, thousands and thousands. It's really impossible to count. And how many more are killed today while we're speaking, sitting here. It's going to be until this war is going to come to an end and the war is going to come to an end. There is always a beginning and an end of everything in life, in life itself. So it's going to be with the war. The question is how long it's going to last. It's going to be last as long as we, so called free world, will continue support. We cannot, meaning having any trade with Russia and not isolate Russia economically, politically. On the Atlantic side, here in Switzerland is the headquarter of the IOC, International Olympic Committee. And I believe that Russian Olympic team must be banned and not participate. Already today it must be confirmed. Nothing is the nationality or against the athletes. But they represent the regime of Russia, this aggressive regime that has studied the senseless war. As long as Russia will not understand the war that they have started is not just senseless. It destroys the life of others of the rest of the world and also it really hurts them. Russia is throwing themselves in a time machine so to speak, probably 50 years behind. Because the world is isolating. This isolation will cause tremendously expensive, we have a tremendously expensive cause. The development of Russia itself is going to slow down us. But we must show it with one front that we are against this politics, this policy, this war. That there's no guarantee you're going to roll further as Russian propaganda has announced already that Ukraine is only just the beginning. Obviously speaking of the ambitious of Soviet Empire so to speak. Probably Romania, Moldova, Poland, other countries, DDR, so called back then in Soviet time, might end up be a point of interest of the Russian aggression. Which has been already as I said in their propaganda announced. I believe we should take this really seriously. And I know it's so tough to read the news and have empathy for someone that you really don't feel. That you really didn't see, didn't smell as we had it to see and observe in Buchia. For civilians, teenagers, tortured, you could see that their hands were behind their back. They were on their knee, executed with a headshot. In underground, on the streets, in the car. The car with the civilians that been driven, their children or family in this car. And there was clearly put sign children. Was smashed by the tank, flatter. You could see the remains of the bodies of the civilians. And this so called special operation is not against other army. And listening and knowing the propaganda, Ukraine was a mistake of the history. We should just understand it what Russian propaganda is saying. We, Ukrainians, are mistake of the history. Basically we shouldn't exist. What is happening in Ukraine, it's a war crime. And this justification through media. Of course there are weapons, there are chemical weapons, there are nuclear weapons. But I believe that the most dangerous weapon is media. State controlled media. Guess what? I watched TV this morning. Russian TV. Yes, here in Switzerland. Russian TV in my tell room. And do you know what I saw there? Mariupol, Ukrainian city, that has been completely destroyed by the Ukrainians. Thousands of civilians being killed by the Ukrainians. My jaw dropped off. How could that happen? And how this ban, this isolation of this propaganda that destroying the person from the inside out. And probably those soldiers, not just they're going for money, but they're also brainwashed. Their brain is poisoned with the propaganda. They believe they're fighting fascists and Nazis. And who knows what other justification is why they're doing it and killing. So, and I believe, especially here in Switzerland. And Swiss always been neutral to a lot of conflicts and just trying to stay away of that. And I would say kind of understandably when two armies are fighting each other. The third party cannot be involved. But when an army is destroying infrastructure. We have five nuclear power plants. Five. And with multiple reactors. And one of them that has been captured by the Russian army. And holding as a hostage in Zapparizia region. And Nurgadan is the city. It's so big that if that goes off. And this is the biggest European, if not the world's power plant. Rockets were flying above it. The fire was extinguished just a month ago. So all fighting and grenades and everything was landing right next to those reactors. The consequence is going to be severe as world leaders of the free world. Announced it before the Russia invaded Ukraine. If Russia cross the line. And I remember Joe Biden said it and many others confirmed. Russia is going to have severe consequences. Those severe consequences have been taken by the Ukrainians. Over like two months. Slowly, slowly the world is realizing all those lies. Justification of Russia, why they invade Ukraine. Business. Because we're all depending on Russian oil and gas. Energy. We're like drug addicts. Gas and oil addicts and coal. They've been provided because it's so simple to get it from Russia. But we never thought about alternatives. And now Russia is using it. As we see with other countries like Baltic countries. Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland. They've been turned off the gas, Russian gas. And I believe that the world must wake up. Even earlier, but thankfully. Better later than never. And the sooner we realize, the sooner we will realize that this war is not just somewhere in Ukraine. 2000 km from here, more or less. It's going to touch us and this war is going to knock on our door. And I have to repeat this war that was said by the Ukrainian President Zelensky. Just a moment ago. And it's just like waking up and asking yourself. What have I done to support Ukraine? And it's not just always, sometimes I'm like thinking that we're always Ukrainians asking for help with a straight hand. Help us, help us. Yes. We are screaming for help. We need it. How much do you need? When is that enough? It's never enough as long as this war is still going. So in the short term, Vitaly, what would you like to see from the US, from European allies, from the rest of the world, beyond funds, perhaps in terms of capacity. What would you like to see? Everyone have to understand. We fighting. I thought we fighting for our country. Defending our city, defending our family and children. But everyone of you have to understand. We defending you personally. We fighting for values. I hope we same values, democratic values. Where is main values is the human rights. Human life. We fighting actually for everyone of you. And everyone have to understand that. And right now everyone have to be proactive. Because we pay for that the biggest price. Human life. Every day, hundreds of them. Every day. It's very important to stay with Ukraine. Weapons is very important. We stay front of the one strong army in the world. Politically support, economic support. But because we fighting first of all for values. And in beginning my speech I told. Our goal, the reason of this war. To be the part of democratic family. To be the part of democratic world. It's very important everyone have to understand that. And I'm more than sure this war can touched everyone in Europe. Feel that everyone in Europe can touched. And Vladimir told. If, I hope not. Five nuclear plants in Ukraine. If the explosion will be in the front of the line. Power plants. Nuclear power plants. Explosion will be times bigger than Catastrophe in Chernobyl. And after that can touched everyone. And right now the Russians told. Talking about. I hope not. Give me weapon. Nuclear weapon. And many expert told. Actually. The man who decide to starting this war. I'm more than sure. He's unhealthy. If they starting this war. They can touch also the button. Which connected with nuclear weapons also. Because the man is unhealthy. To break the drama. To millions of people in Europe. Destroy all international rules. All principles. Difficult to understand. Vladimir you talked about how. The Ukrainians are willing to fight the long fight. Do you get a sense that the western world. Is unprepared for that. Because when you take a look at the peace proposals. That have been submitted by the likes of. Italy for instance. It does seem like. The western world wants. Ukraine to come up with some kind of compromises. To end the war. What is the sense you're getting. I believe. Well it has two sides. The longer this war is going. Please forgive me. The better it is. The better it is. We are understanding. As I mentioned before. Two months it took. To the free world to understand. That weapons needs to be delivered. If we would have been talking about it. Three days. That's how long this war must last. In the thoughts of the. Of the Russia. And their intelligence. Was horrible. It just shows how corrupted the country is. bad informed or didn't really, they just wanted to maybe just satisfy the commander with the will and stuff. But the longer it goes, the more the world understands that must be stopped, the sooner the better. But what is the sooner? How soon is gonna come this end? We don't know. That's the positive and the negative, negative with the war and the positive that the world is waking up. And it takes time, unfortunately, it takes life, unfortunately. And peace with any price, that's what actually I hear from you with this question. Like we need peace now, like just give up the land that they wanted and maybe give up at all. Then we have peace, we can do business and we get our gas and our homes are gonna be warm in the winter and so on. No, it's not that simple. If we give in in this war and say we, the free world, give in, trust me, this is the beginning of the end. And we don't let the aggressor pay for the consequence, pay with severe consequences for this aggression. The lesson is not gonna be learned. We need to learn after this war is gonna come to an end and it will, as I said. We need to learn and study why this war happened and why it's gonna happen again, if not by Russia, but someone else maybe. Why all of a sudden, and we've done it already after the Second World War, territories that belong to Poland or Germany or like Lemberg and Lviv to Hungary or Ukraine. So we're gonna start it again. That means the lesson after the Second World War has not been learned. So I believe that now propaganda must be banned internationally. State-owned media only must be banned. We can endlessly count on all the lies and not true facts, not having a chance to like free access of internet. And we've heard that Russia is just like cutting the ends of any information that can possibly come from free world because they must, dictatorship in this case is just the worst case. Eventually it's not gonna last long. And people gonna suffer, not just in the country where this dictatorship is going, but also in the countries where others are connected through energy supply for instance. That's why I believe that we must learn, while this war is still going, we must learn. We need to wake up earlier than later. We need to act together. We need to have endurance, takes endurance. As a former athlete, I'm gonna tell you, I've been holding, do something good and talk about it. I've been holding the titles the longest in history as a heavyweight champion. And I've learned one thing. Endurance beats talent and masterpiece. Endurance. And it's exactly, we understand it's not gonna be soon. And we understand eventually we will, once and for a long time, if not forever, we will defend our democratic principles in Ukraine and show to the world that everyone in the future is going to try to do the same, gonna pay severe for real, not just for the worst consequences. And if it's not gonna be done now, when? And if it's not gonna be asked, then who? And it's extremely important to get it done now. An example is Ukraine, an example is this senseless aggression. And I believe if we act together, we will have the end of the war very soon. We're capable of it. We know how to get it done. We just cannot be cowards showing back to this challenge. We must show face and face the consequences. Yes, it's gonna be tough to change and get rid off of Russian gas and oil and coal. Yeah, probably we need to one or two degrees as it was scientifically approved. Maybe gonna be a little colder in our living room and apartment at home. But we're gonna save lives with that. And eventually also future for our next generations. I think it is important to do it now and not just silently observe it and being scared of whatever is going on right now in Ukraine. Some say, Vitaly, that Ukraine at this point has already won because it's resisted and it's caused casualties in Russia. But obviously the war has not been won by Ukraine. In your assessment of what a win looks like, give us a sense of what needs to be achieved before you can say Ukraine has won the war. First of all, many times ask me the biggest wish. Myself, I guess every one of 50 million Ukrainians right now have exactly the same peace back to Ukraine. And Russian talk right now, let's talking about solution, compromise. I don't know what they talk about. Which compromise, give up the part of territory. It's compromise, it's not some compromise. We don't ready to talk about that. Our main priority right now, stop the war. The last soldier have to leave Ukraine, our territory and our territorial independence. Integrity, its main priority for us. And after that, the best what we have to do it, give the services to all Ukrainians to bring the investment to develop the country. Actually my dream before the war, I told to make my hometown capital of Ukraine a great example to another cities and villages. And everyone have to say, we want to take exactly the same services as in Kiev to great infrastructure, to great life. And right now we don't talking about that. Right now total different priority. Right now stop the war, peace back to Ukraine. When this happens, we don't know. I'm going to talk about that right now. Actually everything depends from somebody who's starting this war. This person can stop in this war any second. But to be realistic and objective, he doesn't have another choice. We have to fight and defend our future. And we need help. We need support from our friends. And that's why thank you very much for everyone who support Ukraine. It is a humanitarian catastrophe. Critical infrastructure has been destroyed, schools, homes. We know that talks are already underway with the IMF and the World Bank to talk about reconstruction even before the war ends. It's perhaps too early, but in your view how should that be looked at? How do you look at reconstructing Ukraine, Kiev and everything that's been destroyed? Actually from the beginning of the war it's destroyed more than 300 buildings. More than 200 apartments buildings. Killed more than 120 civilians. Four children killed. 16 children was injured and was in hospitals. But much more worse situation in Chernigiv. This small city is totally destroyed around Kiev. They protect the city, protect Kiev. If not, this city is exactly the same. Horrible images will be from our hometown. It's horrible. Thanks God we have international journalists in our city. They immediately make world report what's going on. But we don't have international journalists in Mariupol. In Kharkiv, in Slavyansk, Rubizhne, small cities. And there is really a catastrophe. People need education, food. They are homeless right now. They don't have a job. They have to survive. And it's the next challenge for us. We need to help a lot. And thank you very much for everyone who sent humanitarian help to Ukraine. We need that. In other cities, Kiev is in safe. Kiev, we control whole situation, everything is fine. But small cities, they need that. On a personal basis. I know that both of you have gone through huge challenges in life. The Iron Curtain. How would you describe your experience now fighting the war against Russia compared to what you've gone through before? I believe, it's not just us. I believe, well, in a certain degree, there are Ukrainians that are on the front line. They've been injured and they've seen their friends or family members being killed. And we hear these horrible stories with horrible images. Now it's public information. And investigation from international court is still going on and will continue on all the horror of the war. And it's not to compare. Just think about those people who have experienced that. What they will think alike and feel like. Genuinely speaking, this war is changing us. It's not over yet. We cannot talk about the war as in the past. It's still going. It's going to change not just the mayor of the city, the capital that was almost in Russian army's hands. Almost, almost circled. And life is coming back in the city. But you know what? If you're in Ukraine, you are in a danger zone. As we have experienced that Russian rockets landed in the city. Just three weeks ago, killing a journalist. And those rockets landed in a residential area of the city. So it's in the center. Can that happen again? Will that? We don't know. But you must be ready for it. Sirens are daily, hourly going on. And you should run actually underground for safety. And if you ignore, you might be dead. I just think that if we really will understand that here in the Switzerland, it doesn't matter where you're coming from. If you will just connect yourself with what's going on in Ukraine on different stages. Supportive, just being loud on the financial side, on medical side, humanitarian side, military side, whatever it is, whatever the field you can support. It will change you too. It will change the world. It did change us. We're never going to be the same with perception of life, perception of the world as we were. And I'm more than sure, I'm speaking now for you here, I'm more than sure that you never forget those images that we've seen in Bucher. It's not just the images, but it's in the connection with senses, smell of death. And death is silent. All those bodies that have been all around the place, satellite cities of the capital, you will never forget those images. And who knows what we're going to experience in upcoming days, when we're going to return to Ukraine. Nobody knows what the world is going to experience, but we know for sure, horrifying images will coming up in light. And we must do anything to stop it. Because the world is not going to be the same. We are not going to be the same. We will feel it very soon. I believe this year. By the end of the year, we will feel this war on economical side. We produce on agricultural side grains and delivering it to Africa and Asia. So the people will starving, because they're not going to have enough food that in this supply chain Ukraine was providing for ever. We will feel it, because we are in one ecosystem. And if you break this chain and the part of this chain, it's going to collapse eventually. We will feel it. It's not now, later. It did change us. It's changing you right now. And it's going to change you more. And I hope for good. I hope that we will learn this lesson. I hope we will solve this challenge. I really believe in this free world. I really believe in us without exceptions. We will do it. We will make it. Because the good is always conquers the evil. So, I would like to open the discussion to the floor. If you have any questions for speakers, if you could raise your hand, we'll direct the microphone to you. And you can ask your question. Thank you. I'm Nick Bilagorski. I'm from San Francisco. I work with the Nova Ukraine Charity. My question is what can we in the States do to help rebuild and recover and reconstruct and renew Ukraine especially in the liberated cities around Kiev, Harkiv and other places? How can private individuals, organizations what's the best way to help? Thank you. So, you're from the U.S. And we've lived there, worked there. Children were born there. So, it's... I totally understand where you're from and how you feel, more or less. I just want to say thank you to your countrymen, in particular Michael Dell, Dell Computers. We are living in a digital world that helped us to collect, for instance, collect the evidence of war crime that already happened with the surveillance cameras, with the footage that is observing, collecting, documentating. Digital world is helping us to prevent, as a prevention. If something is going to happen, a destruction, identify fire, identify in the right place and send a fire department there, identify people that can cause or do any jeopardy to the society. Digital world is a self-learning world for artificial intelligence. And speaking of Michael Dell in this case, from the first day, as soon as that was asked to support us, it's been provided. Not just on the IT side, with the hardware but also on the soft side and also financially. I just want to say thank you, it's a great example. And if you do something good and have met a lot of you, if you do something good, talk about it. Don't be shy. Do you know why? Because it's complementary. You've done well. You motivate others, do the same. And if you just do it but don't talk about it, it's kind of not really getting into attention. And I think it's motivational to repeat, like my neighbor done it, my friend done it or I've heard from someone who's doing it. And I'm going to be part of it. Entrepreneurship and entrepreneurship, as we know, you understand that you're a part. You're a small puzzle. But in a big puzzle, you're part of something big. And this part of something big contains from something like you. So do something for the bigger part. Do you part. And thank you for your countrymen. And I don't know if you're active, but if you will change your mind and be active, thank you. And thank you if you've done something to support us. Whatever it is, any help is needed. Thank you. The lady in strikes. Thank you very much. My name is Elena. I'm Austrian and currently living in Switzerland. 15 years ago I started to box in a semi-professional team. You were my heroes over there. My career and also my hobbies have changed quite a bit ever since and obviously yours have too. I was wondering, given your previous career and also the path ever since, what prepared you the most for the role you're currently in, not only on this stage, but on a global political level? And what type of recommendations would you give to young adults and students out there preparing for your challenges? Whoever wants your choice. Very short answer. As former athlete, boxer, I tell you, people make mistakes, they think his size is very important, how big are you, how strong are you, is not. In every competition, in every battle, total different strengths. Much more, it's not important how big are you and how strong are you. They will, they will to win and it's very important, the spirit of fighter is very important point. It's a play priority right now in in current situation also, the every Ukrainian won't win this war. One example, I like life story. Morning, 8 o'clock, morning in my office I received the call, the Russian racket landed in a apartment building. And immediately there, huge apartment building, I don't know, it's 12, 15 stores, huge hall, everything boring, it's man, around 60, 65 coming to me and he was, I was surprised, he was not happy but he smiling, he told Mr. Man, look in this hall, it was my apartment. Since God 5 minutes before I go out, I still lie, what I have to do right now. I tell him, listen, you are at now homeless, we give you we equate you to safe part of country or somewhere out of the country, we give you full support. He told me, his answer was stopp me. I spent this city all my life here, leave my relatives, my friends, I don't want to leave if you can, please, please can you give me a weapon you ask me about the weapon. Spirit, the will, the Russians attack the apartment building, civilians they think people will be in panic the rest is not people is angry angry and ready to fight in block post I was very surprised I see the people who is new in uniform with weapons the hands, I talk to them very peaceful profession they never expecting the life to take the weapons the hands but right now they take them musician actors doctors spirit and will because it's our home country because it's our family it's our children in our future next question please we don't have so much time my proposal can we collect 2-3 questions so a short comment so we at the AO foundation we are teaching online courses to your surgeons at the moment to deal with war extremities they are watching them underground they are learning from this and so are your nurses or RP professionals but we also get these translated by Russian doctors who are helping us and are helping you but they are too scared to say anything in Russia what can these people do we'll take that question another question at the back please yes first of all big respect to brothers, big respect to Ukrainian people my question is why do you refer to Vladimir Putin as Mr. Putin my question is why does international media respect to Putin say president Putin everybody knows that Russian democracy is a joke a bad joke we should start talking about a dictator a murderer what would be your present term for this man one more question at the front here please in blue i am franz witzler i am franz witzler i am franz witzler so i wonder how do you see the psychological development of people in Ukraine going forward second of all psychological development of everyone here and everyone else in the world we need to grow as people to move past this and to learn this lesson speaking of colleagues from Russia on the medical side trying to help save lives and that's what doctors do that's the job doesn't matter nationality doesn't matter so doctors do their job and i i had this experience with people from Russia, Russian people my friends that have been known for a long time all of a sudden they just don't name the war war they say a conflict in other words so just name as it is it's a war and you can say you're against it just say it don't be afraid we were even in the group so group like what's up group and i couldn't find those russian friends anymore in those groups and that's how russian state and i will probably connect those two questions russian state and dictatorship of putin he is not miss i have to call him mister don't be upset about that and ambitious of building something that putin he is president you have to call him a president and he is leading the country and he is the leader and he was calling this war and i remember was as millions of ukrainians glued to tv when he actually declared the war putin as a president declared the war to ukraine and called it a special operation that was renamed the fight against NATO and there is always something new because you must be creative if you provide lies and change your mind and your intelligence give you wrong information and you need to find an exit of this situation because it is so obvious this is so wrong and if the talk helps to stop this war you are going to do anything to stop it and then let on international court not me must take action and we must have this as an example for now and the future generations and that's why just name it the way it is it's a war crime what Russia, what putin what president putin has started it's against the population it's against our principles it's against life in general because life is getting destroyed with the infrastructure and catastrophic things will come up because there is so much we cannot get behind it and fix it because we are getting over 2000 rockets been launched from Belarus not to forget Belarus and Russia rockets that been taking our life of the Ukrainians and destroyed infrastructure that is so crucially important and that's why in this way I would say that lies what is it in German there are probably Germans here too that understand it's in German saying so the lies having short legs so you cannot run far and quick but they've been very successful with that they meaning Russia in this case with propaganda with everything that I saw this morning on TV and they're still going but eventually it will have an end it will have an end that's what we usually hear in Ukraine it's not just in the city of Kiev but in Ukraine in January and then you hear the explosions and you you're like you're recognizing is it a launch anti aircraft strike so it's an exit or it's in you just like recognize like on the sound was it landing or it was launching and then the third question and I'm sorry I'm taking all this time Alexandra Kessler fantastic lady we've been working for four years and she's she's doing have been doing and continue doing a great job on facing the challenges and that's the methodology that has been taught for the past seven years here in St. Gallen University methodology that I've created and she's the one who was defending her PhD and very dedicated to this methodology as well that helps us in Ukraine, our military, our doctors our teachers, not to forget that our kids cannot get education so it's kind of online and I've seen those professors on the front line giving images giving lessons and lectures to the students so you need to be so agile and the principles of the phase the challenge methodology focus agility, coordination and endurance all of those principles as a military man, woman you need it in war, in peace in whatever you want to rebuild after the war you need those principles all of them with endurance tremendous endurance and agility so thank you there was a question how do you build the psychological psychology of the people we have not much time because we have to move we plan 30 minutes right now already one hour we explain about whole situation we do everything in Ukraine you in swiss nere heres sirin sirin it's mean in any second a bomb can land in a new building it's not so far it's not so far from here it's very close it's very close and everyone from you have to understand it we do everything to stop this senseless war to stop the people in this minute if we talk I don't know I'm more than sure in this minute I talk to the people in east of Ukraine in this minute killed in this hour maybe 10 people maybe 10 people killed young people we have a plan since the life he don't want to die to die but we please don't forget defending every one of you with this war against this war and we will appreciate please be proactive do it everything think what is possible to stop this war by the way swiss tv ask what have to do with swiss stop the Russian propaganda the main weapon right now not the records, not the planes the tanks, main weapons the media 70% in russian federation 70% population support the war against Ukraine can you imagine the people is armed from media just one tv channel russian tv channel russia today have more budget than capital of Ukraine more than 2 billion US dollar russian watching it's worked so hard and that why we have to stop that it's the main weapons it's the war static already if you have russian tv channels already here some the people and by the way we do everything from depend from us to defend our country to defend democracy to defend our future and defend every one of you but we need your support thank you very much for everyone who stay with Ukraine the unity around Ukraine is a key for peace slav Ukraine