 News click is a privilege to have with us Dr. Satish Prakash who is Dalit intellectual associate professor physics at Merritt College Merritt. He has joined us to talk about Dalit politics, its evolution in its new form. Let me start from here that do you think that there is any chance of evolution of Dalit politics in the backdrop of downfall of Mayavati and rise of sudden rise of Bhim army and people like Jignesh Mewani and others. But Dalit politics cannot be like before the arrival of BSP Dalit politics has been a significant part of Indian politics and Dalit politics is one or two days of time. So Dalit politics can be either low or high but Dalit politics can never end. the leaders who were in Mayawati, Rambilas Paaswan used to do it in some time. Now, if that aggression is less, then the Dalit community, their people, they see that aggression with Chandrasekhar, B.M.R.V. Chandrasekhar, with Jignesh. So, from there, do you think it can flourish again? No. Look, the aggression in Dalit politics is very important. Dalit is a victim of aggression all the time. So, they search for their weakness in their leader. So, in Dalit politics, the politics of Dalits will only be the same leader in which there will be aggression. Whether it is Paaswan Ji, till Paaswan Ji is aggressive, he will be a very big leader of Dalits. The Dalit army that he has made, that Dalit army was directly saying that Dalit, sell TV, buy a gun. The indication of this is that you, the Dalits, the people of Manurungan, are more important than them for them to buy their security. So, this shows aggressive politics. After that, the way the BSP has progressed, in the progress of the whole BSP, the sisters are aggressive. The aggressive politics have progressed. Before this, in the 60s, in Northern India, B.P.M.R.V. is a very aggressive leader. Until his aggression has progressed, Dalit was around him. But as soon as aggression in him was over, he was away from Dalit politics. As soon as Paaswan Ji's aggression was over, even Paaswan Ji was away from Dalit politics. The business of the 18th generation is almost the same. Now, the politics of the BSP, in the politics of the BSP, the aggression of the sister, according to me, I believe, that the sister will have to remain aggressive. If her aggressive politics remains, it is not important for the Dalits to choose their ways or not. They need an aggressive politics. If they succeed, then you will decide later. Whether to become a leader or not, this is also important. But the first thing is that they need such a leader that they can talk about their rights with force. Why don't you think that Mayawati has lost the ground completely? For example, in the last year's assembly election, a large chunk of the Dalit vote was in the favour of BJP. Especially Jata voters, Balmiy's voters, they preferred BJP. So, it doesn't seem that the overall caste identity politics of Mayawati is being rejected by the community itself. And now they want to go towards a new alternative. No, it is like this. These are the things that have been made by the media. Tell me, what is the reason behind this? What has happened in BJP that a Jata will vote for it? Or what has BJP done that the Dalits will vote for it? There is a reservation bill in the promotion of the Dalits. It has just passed in the time of Congress in Lok Sabha. Now, Mr. Modi takes the name of Mr. Roj Baba. Now, Mr. Bheem talks to you. He promises a lot of things with the Dalits. So, if they really want to take the vote of the Dalits, then they should pass the reservation bill of the Dalits in the promotion of Lok Sabha. Secondly, this kind of campaigning is being started by the media. That the Dalits have given the vote to BJP. If you look at the percentage of the BSP vote in Lok Sabha, it is 19 percent. And the first Lok Sabha in the BSP vote percentage is 20.5 percent. So, there is a 1 percent change. And if we look at Mr. Vidhan, then there is also a 30 percent BSP vote. So, the 30 percent vote of BSP is not the vote of the Dalits. There are votes of other people. But the votes of the Dalits are with BSP. Now, the BJP people want to spread a message in this. They feel that if you end BSP among the Dalits, then they feel that the Dalits will go towards them tomorrow. I feel that the social moment of the Dalits, that moment will not let them go towards the Congress, nor to the BSP, nor to the Congress, nor to BJP. That moment of the Dalits is standing on this ground that no leadership will remain within them. Even Mayabati Ji can be there. If Mayabati Ji will work, if Mayabati Ji will keep an aggressive form, then the Dalits will be with them tomorrow and today as well. They just need to stay aggressive with them. I feel that the way the Bhim Army has come, the Bhim Army has kept it as a group of violence. That it is a group of violence. But there is a feeling of their Dalits. Is there an attack on them in Saranpur? If the leader of the Dalits is not able to speak against that attack, and there is a Bhim Army speaking, then why will the Dalits not go towards them? The people of the Dalits who will speak of respect, whether they are the Bhim Army or any other army, or any other leader of the Dalits, whoever will speak of the support of the Dalits, the Dalits will definitely look towards them with a hope. Do you want to say that the acceptance of the Bhim Army is getting worse than the Bhim Army? The incident in Saranpur, the way the Bhim Army came in front of the Bhim Army, did Mayabati kill her? No, no, Mayabati Ji did not kill her. In Sabbirpur, I went to that time myself, the sister did that time and the road was blocked. And the way the people saw love, that day it was very sunny, but the groups of the Dalits, when they entered the UP game, then you will see that there were people everywhere. What did the sister accept on the roads? Even today, she said that even today, our leader is the sister. According to me, the Bhim Army, you should not look at it as a political revolution. That is a social violence against the Dalits, that is aggression against that violence. When the Dalit politicians are quiet, what statement did the Dalit in Saranpur give? A Bhim Army is a group, they are doing the right thing. But people were forced to do that, when their leaders were being observed there. You said something about an alternative, an aggressive alternative in Dalit politics. Which leader are you seeing now, who came in front of the UP as that alternative? You will see the politics of the entire country. Now the sister is fulfilling that place. But along with the time, the BSP will have to change its policies. Now the Dalit that has been done four times in power, you cannot keep it away from power for a long time. The wish of power, the hope of power, will force it to become a part of such politics, that the politics should be taken towards power. But even today, the Dalit of the entire country, the Dalit of the entire country, has been done around Maya Vati Ji. Now we have to decide with Maya Vati Ji, how does the power change in power? This is the responsibility of the political people. Finally, the last question is about Dalit politics. Can the Gandhivaad be left behind? No, no. Look, in Dalit politics, there is also Gandhivaad. But Dalits have never accepted Gandhivaad. He was the founder of Baba Sahib. And there is a lot of reason to not go towards Gandhivaad. In 1932, between Poonapakth and Baba Sahib, Dalit has been removed from Gandhivaad. Because this is also a part of history, that Gandhiji has left Poonapakth, and has finished all his demands, but Gandhiji has a big thought for me, that a person like Gandhiji has never cared about his life to suppress a weak voice. Before this, he has always taken his responsibility back. But what was his helplessness, that the poor, the Dalits, who have been against Uttapidan for thousands of years, and Gandhiji himself is standing with them? So what is Gandhiji's helplessness? That he put all his life's power and forced the Dalits to accept Poonapakth. And being Poonapakth, Dalit, who removes the entire Andolan from Gandhivaad, and takes it towards Baba Sahib's founder. The most important point of Dalit politics is, that whatever Dalit will keep his voice helpless, that he doesn't understand politics, that he has to keep his voice helpless, that he will accept Dalit for sure. And when Dalit will accept him, the rest of the politics, the group of the rest of the people, he will accept him only when he creates his own power. Whether it is politics, whether it is political, whether it is social indolence, whatever indolence, whatever it is, whatever it is, he will keep his voice helpless. Dalit leaders should always keep in mind that his power, until his people will not accept him, other people will never accept him. The incident of BSP, somewhere, may be the reason that the power that BSP has put on other people, in that power, it is a very large group of Dalits, like Balmi in Dalits, which is about 5% population. And the way the people of Hansa, or other people, their life, their food, their culture are almost the same. Just now some people had put this argument that Balmi doesn't vote for BSP, but they vote for BSP. In that, it is the work that Babasab thinks, he votes for it. But this is the responsibility of BSP or the responsibility of Dalit movement, that the people who are far away from Babasab, they will have to make a move in Babasab's opinion. They will have to fight for Babasab's opinion. Only then they can be successful for you. Two final questions, Sati ji. In 2019, people will come to the election again. Yes. In Uttar Pradesh, what social party, Bhaujan Social Party and Congress, should make an alliance like Bihar? Or not? If this happened, how do you see it? If it didn't happen, how do you see it? If this alliance is formed, there are chances of consolidation. What will be the strategy of that counter? This is our number one question. And our last and final question, is that, can Lal Salam and Neel Salam go hand in hand? No, there are two things. The first is, that the politics of left and right. No, this is the first one. I will tell you the first thing. What happened in Bihar, it was unfortunate that whatever happened at the end, because you asked for the vote under which ideology, and then where do you go tomorrow? This is the matter. Not only in Aga, Uttar Pradesh, whatever election of the whole country, whether it is in Sapa, BSP, or Congress in the whole country, according to me, the political situation, I feel that if this is its big, its big meaning is that the seats of the whole country, now you divided those seats into different parts, whether it is Sapa's seats, BSP's seats, Congress's seats, by doing this kind of politics, no political parties can be aligned now. Because this is a straight line that there is a 40% and a 60% fight. And in this 60% fight, in today's date, BJP will be on all these levels. My belief is that if I according to this analysis, I feel that these political parties should be connected to the level of the country, to the level of each seat. Every political party will have to analyze every seat. And in that, giving a group of 10 seats, giving a group of 10 seats, giving a group of 10 seats, by doing this kind of politics, everyone should fight for elections, fight for the decisions of the strategy, and by accepting every seat as one, accepting every seat as a unit, by accepting the decisions of the strategy, the hope is decided. Because there is a caste politics, in the whole country, or in the country of Uttar Pradesh, there is a caste politics, there is a religious politics, there can be only one way to stop this kind of polarization, that all parties will fight for elections, but they will have to understand that on every seat. This kind of politics can be saved. Look, this is a big question for me, which I myself find out that in communism, what is the reason that all the situations in the country, all the reasons to stop it are present here, but what is the reason that in this country, there are only two reasons in Europe, there is a Dhaniwark and a poor man, and here in this country, there is Dhaniwark and a poor man, who is based on different religions, who is based on different caste, who is also from this region, so when all the reasons are present here, then in these reasons, all the circumstances, where the Marxism should stop, what is the reason that why the Marxism could not stop here? In that, in a certain way, the politics of Marxism, on that, there is always a Dhaniwark, where people are standing, against whom Marxism is stopped, those people, their key groups, their key posts, their organization, always, those people, who were against them, and the relationship between Neela Salam and Laal Salam, certainly, is a painful relationship and in this country, there will also be Laal Salam. And I wrote an article about Neela Salam, about Rohit Womula, when he wrote an article about Hyderabad University, that now the Dalits, need to think, that from Hyderabad, the Neeli-Kranti Express, changed into Laal-Kranti. So if this change, for the Dalits, for the poor, if it is changing for a good moment, then according to me, this is very bad. Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot for talking to us.