 Well, yes, sir, but I'm out now. I don't have to say that anymore, so So I'm just gonna we're gonna keep this really short today instead of trying to Read all these very impressive vials of this group up here. We're just gonna we've decided to just stick with titles So I'm gonna start at the far end and introduce our moderator today Lieutenant General Robert S. Walsh is the commanding general Marine Corps combat development command and deputy commandant for combat and development integration Next to him is by several Thomas who is the director of Navy staff. I Shouldn't really even have to look at these titles should be knowing these titles, but and then we have Lieutenant General John dog Davis who's deputy command for aviation Lieutenant General Ron Bailey Thomas Shannon from the military sea lift command and Lieutenant General Michael Dana the deputy command for installations and logistics The panel is going to be moderated by General Walsh and please enjoy the afternoon Okay, thanks Kevin First thing I'd like to thank the the Navy League for putting this global maritime exposition together And most importantly for the dialogue that we get a chance to operate with industry And I think the the opportunity here is to hear from from Navy Marine Corps leadership Some of the problems that we're trying to solve and for you to hear that and then try to help us Really work together and closely solve those problems Or this morning for some of you might have heard the service chief's panel this morning We had Admiral Greenert. Excuse me Admiral Greenert. We had Adam Richardson and the command on a couple things Are that I think they focus on if you listen to Admiral Richardson and General Neller they talked about readiness and Trying to reset the force with readiness the command on also talked about preparing for the the next fight He talked about operating in a contested environment And how we have to train how we have to reorganize and have to how we have to modernize And he said we're going to change and now it's a matter of how we figure out exactly how we changed the CNO and on Parallel very much those same things. He talked about The world becoming increasingly globalized He talked about the rate of change in the acceleration in the information world and also with the technology Being contested at sea Contested in the information world and the challenges is that we're facing in the tech world So I found it very interesting the two Navy and Marine Corps leaders were both parallel on the same thing looking at the rate of acceleration And and how we have to move faster the complex world that we're dealing with today I think as we look at that things we talk about is Then domains and a lot of cases merging together in the complexity That we're gonna have to operate in in the future that thing is becoming much more complex as those domains change And also the issues that we see are much more trans regional And having to walk work much more so cross regions And and I think as you looked at the other video as you're working walked in here today the Navy Marine Corps team I think you'll hear from the leaders that we've got today are very postured well going into the future thinking expeditionary being that for Deployed force forces to be able to do that. So looking at how we think plan train and fight together is going to be a key part of this naval integration and With that I will turn it over to Vice Admiral Thomas as we look to have some good questions later on so Robert Please go ahead. Thanks General Walsh and you mentioned up front. I think it's important to acknowledge that as we look at the Navy Marine Corps team, which is a unique partnership that The industry partners are critical and I noticed in the audience We've got quite a few of our senior military representatives from our allies partners and friends So that's great to see them also participating in the conversation I'm going to just briefly look at the Navy Marine Corps team from previous lens and that was my time as the seventh fleet commander and A lot of you in fact, I see Tom Carney and others out there that that served with me in the seventh fleet You remember that I come to this with a bit of a bias in that My father was my late father was a career Marine. I was born in Quantico So the three meff commander John Whistler always used to say it was nice to have a seventh fleet commander with Marine Corps DNA As we look at I'll just give you four quick examples and then we can tease those out later on if we wish of What's going on integration wise out there and and how important it is? from a technology inject and and what you're going to build in the future Navy Marine Corps team As far as comms interoperability those things how important those are Let me just give you four quick examples. Now the first one is typhoon Yolanda You remember this was a late in 2013 We immediately sent CTF 70 that was rear Admiral Mark Montgomery in a carrier strike group off of the Philippines They took up the initial response and then The third Marine expeditionary force commander John Whistler was sent down there to take over as the JTF commander and We shifted CTF 70 into the joint force maritime component commander role in support of three meff The point is that those transitions were relatively seamless and the reason they're seamless is because we Practice this all the time As a Navy Marine Corps team and so the punch line there is there's no substitute for reps Again and again and again. It's like any exercise in the gym You have to do it right and you have to do it often the second example and this is kind of an expansion of that is You remember that twice that one's died exactly PLAN has already put a cyber Whammy on me. They remember my engagements in in China. So The twice a year Korean effort with key resolve and Ochi Freedom Guardian and those two major exercises both of them Beget a major effort by the third Marine expeditionary force in the US 7th Fleet to set an amphibious operations area and to then from there actually In the case of Ochi Freedom Guardian bring in Rock Marine Corps and Rock Navy For John Whistler and Robert Thomas we experimented with some command and control shifts that were non-traditional Usually you wait until the Marines have a lodgement ashore and then you shift C2 of the battle force to the You know Marine Corps commander We decided that we didn't want to do that while In transition and in a tough time during that transition So we would shift at 24 to 48 hours ahead of time and That worked out very very well the reason we could get away with that was because we're co-located on the 7th Fleet flagship What concerns me in the future is when we have a Carrier strike group an expeditionary strike group We need to make sure that our amphibious ships are as well connected to the rest of the fleet as Our carrier strike group is With the 7th Fleet flagship So that's an important one for the future The third example is talisman saver 15 back in July of 2015 You remember that's a 33,000 person exercise With the Australians this last time around the Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force participated With the US Marine Corps it was a MEB level effort and in that scenario, I was the joint force commander and the landing force came ashore and We kept it associated with the joint force maritime component commander US 3rd Fleet And the reason we did that is because we wanted that mobility and flexibility to take forces back out And move them to another place That which the Navy and the Marine Corps do very very well So we did not want to lock them up with the land component commander In that regard Worked out very very well and then finally, you know, I guess my final point is during that period of time We also experimented with the expeditionary strike group CTF 76 We added a couple of destroyers to make it more like look more like a traditional strike group we used The Harrier we used MV 22 We were able to Experiment with the idea that the expeditionary strike group of the future Can actually fight their way in and set the amphibious operations area They we want them to be in a position where they won't necessarily be beholden To other forces, especially for those what I'll call impromptu Latoral Conflicts that that we don't see on the horizon The South China Sea issues come to mind as a potential area of operations in that regard When you do this It adds a new dimension to the Navy Marine Corps team and and I'm going to turn it over to General Davis But I want you to think about an expedition expeditionary strike group with joint strike fighter MV 22 and the appropriate surface combatants in support and it looks very much Like a strike group in all of its incarnations So I'm more than willing to tease that one out with you in the question and answer period and I'll turn it over to General Davis. Thanks Thanks, Tom dog Davis deputy combat for aviation. Thanks very very for being here today. Thanks to industry for doing what you do I know that General Neller this morning said if you do sell me stuff make sure it works I'd also Ensure that when you do sell us stuff, you know our requirements You know what the other systems that are on board those ships that you make sure that the gear that you sell Plugs and plays with everybody else's gear. It does. It's no good to get a standalone system out there That's not interoperable with everything else. I always am the dark thinker on the aviation hallway And I always ask my guys and the crowds I talked to are we ready for our Falklands? we've been fighting 15 years of a Sustained operations assure low intensity conflict. It's been low intensity for the guys near not for the guys in the ground But bottom line are we ready for that next fight that looms in our nation's bow that we need to be ready for just like Tom said some really fantastic years coming our way and we've we've got it and getting in numbers now in 2007 we Initially operated kick declared IOC on the MV-22 Osprey. We took it to sea shortly thereafter I think in many ways It's probably one of the more disruptive things we've done in the naval services certainly for the Marine Corps from an aviation perspective is Introduced that platform to our sea base. We went from a tried and true CH-46 which had an operational radius of about 35 miles that we used operationally and replace that with a V-22 They'll go 280 miles indicated and a radius of 450 miles and in an airy-fueled package of that Changed the way that we employ power changed the way our adversaries view a green expedition unit amphibious ready group or ESG offshore and Really has changed the way that we're doing business in a very positive way. We routinely fly the V-22 Across the Atlantic Ocean with HMX1. It is it's it's close to a non-event so the ability to power project to self-deploy to a ploy to a sea base and And add and subtract combat power at the time and place for our choosing has changed the equation out there for what we can do and should Do with our forces afloat? I just got back from two days out in New, Arizona watching the MOTS one change command and the VMX one change command in The skies overhead were four ships of VEP 35B JSFs coming in to a land and I looked at we just ran our last our first Students to first three students to the WTI course our our top-gun course out there in Yuma I will tell you that the rate of change and what they're doing with those airplanes is vastly different than what I thought they would be doing a year ago Combining the F-35 and the V-22 on a sea base The one foot of shore and the ability to project power ashore and go ashore if we need to is going to change the way that we Conduct naval operations in the future. I think we need to think big. I think we need to think aggressively I think we need to be creative about the potential of these platforms as they operate not just in our traditional muses But in support of co-com objectives fleet objectives, and I think in many ways We've come over 15 years of you an amphibious ready group or an ESG is a system that leaves port Goes an objective area and thinks about this the ship to shore offload in many ways I think we as as naval partners and members of us of a single naval battle We need to be thinking about Deploying as a part of a naval force in the day we leave port so that entire steaming time We are working as part of a naval component until we get to our objective area And then we're doing what we need to do to flow forces assurance and support that that marine amphibious landing power projection incredible capabilities incredible potential out there and I think the same way the v-22 has changed the mu has changed the Marine Corps the F-35 is going to change it in the same Way when you aggregate those two things together I think it has nothing but goodness for us the other thing that we're working on out there as far as making that air combat Omen on board those that that that you are more compatible with the rest of the systems out there is right now the To date the everything other than our f-18s and our prowlers are not in link 16 They're not part of a link, so we are we're making every one of our platforms a sensor shearer and a shooter So the a b8 will get a link 16 putting a long-range communications and link compatibility on our v-22s We'll put a sensor package on the v-22 and we'll actually we'll weaponize the v-22 as well long-range comms Digital interoperability and a weapons package. Why would you do that? You do that because you're gonna need those platforms as you fight your way from conus to wherever you've got to go We want to be contributors. We want to be Members of that naval team as we fight to the objective area and we power project assure Make sure that we've got there the forces we need and that that actually that amphibious ready to group got to where it Needed to go and can fight effectively every platform a sensor a shearer and a shooter Everything we're doing out there should have that and I think that's can also add to what we can Contribute as a marine force or a larger naval battle I think that A lot of times we we cuff ourselves and hold ourselves back from what we should be able to do I think it's it's a really exciting time to be in renaissance really part to be a part of the naval team What we're bringing for our Marines and the kind of capabilities. We're ushering in Allows us to fight I think the Falklands the Falklands battle the type Falklands against the adversary that you never expected to fight in an A2 ad fight that you didn't expect against an adversary and expect to fight and do it on moments notice this table up here Represents the naval services where our nation's force and readiness We have to ready not just for the low-end fight but the high-end fight and to do that power projecting from a sea base and bases Are sure look forward to answering your questions on that. Let me take this opportunity to welcome you again also and also say thank you for the opportunity to kind of share with you a Perspective from the operations side of the house and also from the ground combat element advocacy side Last year we rolled out CS 21 and we talked about the the tenants the all-domain the deterrence sea control power projection a maritime Security aspect of it. I'm really going to focus more on the all-domain access and the power projection aspect of it When we start thinking through what we talked about last year we talked about it as a strategy strategy for a fort Deployed forces and for presence and so today. I'll give you a couple examples Talking about our ARC mu and then our med and then kind of wrap up with the command and control To the tactical edge one of the things I I'll start with Is that we're seeing pretty much the same thing we're in sync and the reason we're saying the same thing is because We have this common vision in CS 21 in terms of the Navy Marine Corps team in the direction that we're going We clearly recognize that it provides the Navy for presence whether it's a conus base Mu let's deploy it in syncom or 31st mu It's in the Pacific or Marines aboard auxiliary ships in the past You never hear us talk about that, but we clearly understand that that's the way of the future because of the short fall that exists and then our old conus Mebs and our expeditionary strike groups that we have that allow us to maintain a posture to be able to respond in a moment's notice To the challenges and requirements that we have that put before us But this gives us the opportunity with the Navy Marine Corps to pick the place of our choosing to fight when we fight We as we look to the future and part of the things that we're looking at in terms of Navy Marine Corps team on the naval boards. We're talking about different things like aggregate and disaggregate So that we understand the challenges that will have From combatant command, but the arg mu continues to be the expeditionary force of choice Now the sync the sync comm you as it is today Supporting operations across a range of military operations and a few examples of kinetic activity in Syria also in Iraq 26 mu was involved in supporting operations in Iraq providing 155 support to CJTF OIR in a UMSC contingency that we have and also To Evacuate the embassy last year during the February March timeframe We also had the opportunity to see a bilateral exercise a conductor bilateral exercise with fifth med special purpose magtaf crisis response central command Showing and demonstrating how we come together when we start talking about naval integration The arg mu continues to be that primary method that we use to display interoperability and in that We Establish a couple of years really about a year and a half ago special Operations force liaison element that element we call it a softly Gives us ability to one tap in and the special operation forces network and also gives the mu commander Situational awareness that we have not had in the past is this type of thinking that we need to do as we move forward And deal with the challenges of the future 26 mu his work with sock sync and numerous exercises and as we move forward that relationship between the Marine Corps and special operations command Tends to push us in a different realm and a realm of Supportability but a realm of effectiveness and efficiency So as we continue to expand our capabilities the one thing that we see that will help will be our our RQ-21 The blackjack it's amphibious capability and the ability that it will give a new commander to have an amphibious UAS capability. This is where industry will help us as we develop that capability and improve the capability of that particular platform large-scale exercises that we've been involved in you heard our Admiral Thomas talk about those but song Yang 16 was one where we displayed Our concepts we talked about expeditionary 21 last year and so we went out and executed it where we brought two argmues together to along with Rock marines and Australia and New Zealand into a 7 to 200 man force to demonstrate How we can fight Co-response 16 this past year the largest Operation in NATO in a cold weather environment in over 15 years So these are the type of things that we're doing that's not only demonstrating our capability Assuring how we have taken these concepts and strategy and move forward And so as we look to what we offer and what we bring It's our maritime preposition shipping nothing new, but it's how we use that that capability that we have now combat combatant commanders are using it for theater security operations and our crisis response of force packages to give us the capability to be able to launch an attack From different platforms. No, it's not a combatant ship, but it's a ship that gives us flexibility and the ability to use our forces on different platforms and in closing I'll talk about the GCE in terms of the command and control we've Move forward with kill switch as a platform giving us the ability to be able to use our Networks and our data systems our radios To be able to see and change on the move As we are conducting operations. This is invaluable. This is where industry has helped us tremendously And so we need that type of support that type of thinking as we look at things such as the Nottingham in terms of where it's going to move us in the future Where we we move with kill switch and how we can take these and advance our cause For future operations and and challenges. So with that I look forward to your questions. Thank you Good afternoon TK Shannon from military seal of command It's indeed a pleasure to be with you today and I'd like to thank General Walsh for hosting this panel and leading this panel and giving me a chance to talk to you about a key role for MSc and That is supporting our country's ability to project Combat power as my slides are getting teed up. I will humbly offer that Military seal of command and our partners with the 45 ships and the ready reserve force over at the maritime administration And of course our important United States flag merchant marine are what enable our country to go to war But we are so much more at military seal of command than your aunt or uncles MSc Which often probably talked about, you know, the oil or push and fuel to the strike groups at sea MSc has witnessed vast growth in trust and mission sets Our portfolio is really growing and I look forward to discussing some of these platforms over the next four slides And then at the question and answer session and I also welcome your ideas Be it here in the hallway over a cup of coffee down at the office in Norfolk Because we have certainly a lot of challenges on our plate And I would welcome the ideas from from education and industry and in other places to get after some of our challenges Slide please We are increasingly bringing alternative platforms and mission sets into the expeditionary environment This increases our capability and it offers new opportunities to both integrate and to innovate Just as important MSc's ability to take on a greater set of missions Frease up a little bit of white space in our amphibious ships and in our combatant ship schedules So that they can get after some very important deep maintenance and high-end warfare training an example of that We recently had a successful piracy event concluded off the west coast of Africa With 70 paychecks on board one of our fast transports And the more opportunities were pursued like that to free up that 300 paycheck destroyer That's not doing its ballistic missile defense training or maintenance mission While it's doing something like piracy the better. That's just one example In the top picture you see one of our expeditionary fast transports and that's alongside one of our new expeditionary transfer docks We find that our fleet commanders like Admiral Thomas who spoke to you a little bit earlier are really liking these fast transports formerly known as joint high-speed vessels Mission sets that we've successfully completed from these ships recently include medical assistance and support services and intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance platform The order security cooperation law enforcement as well as service as a logistics lift asset It has a 20,000 square foot mission bay. That's a very valuable commodity to our fleet commanders And a number of it what we call adaptive force packages have been introduced that further expand the capability of the vessel These are coming at us fast and furious when I briefed you just last year here at this forum We only had one fast transport the spearhead deployed today We have four deployed and will my relief briefs you a year from now at this forum We'll have seven globally distributed across the Planet in the lower picture you see another example of MSc bringing new capabilities to the expeditionary fight One of our newest ships the USNS Lewis B. Polar and a float forward staging base It's destined for the Middle East next fall when we complete complete her workups and post-shakedown availability The float forward staging base mission dramatically expands the capability and reach of units Conducting missions such as countermining multinational force training and special operations missions for example a Year ago when we met here Lewis B. Polar was just a concept an idea on an alternative use of a platform And how we might increase mission sets last week She was underway and performed helicopter landing qualifications with MH 53 echoes This fall during her maintenance period she'll receive a modification to accommodate the v-22 that general Davis talked about Slide please We are increasing our flexibility and capability in a number of areas One major effort is practicing a capability that quite frankly we put on the back burner at the end of the Cold War That capability is known as consolidated cargo operations. Will we take a commercial point-to-point oil tank And transfer fuel from it to one of our fleet oilers at sea Consolidated cargo operations is another way we can get at force multiplying as it keeps our fleet oilers out with the carrier strike groups and With the amphibious ships lengthening their on-station time and reducing the force protection concerns We incur when we need to send our oil or off station and into a port to take on fuel We're flexing this capability frequently now most notably in the Western Pacific and just as of last week We've pushed it out to the Middle East as well Our tao class of replenishments ships are nearing the end of their 35-year service life I'm delighted to let you know that our new tao 205 class will enter service in fiscal year 21 the 205 class will bring improved functionality and lift capabilities to our fleet It's threshold capabilities from a fuel perspective are very similar to our current double-hole tankers But we will have a significant upgrade in the capacity to carry chill and frozen material slide please our expeditionary fast transfer dock enables two primary capabilities Transfer of equipment at sea and delivery of equipment ashore via connectors such as the LCAC or landing craft air cushion vehicle These ships greatly reduce the requirement for shore infrastructure and enhance the ability to project power from the afloat sea base These ships are proving to be a key connector between large sea lift cargo vessels and the last point of ingress into the beach I Don't want to oversell this capability to you We have some work to do here and I welcome your ideas on helping us improve in this arena But with regard to these skin-to-skin operations, we've been testing this capability in conditions up to sea state 3 and since June of 14 we've attempted 38 skin-to-skin marriages as we call them and we've completed 29 of those 38 successfully nine of the attempts fail either because an equipment failure To operate as necessary or the sea state was simply too high to safely conduct the evolution We continue to train and explore technological improvements to improve Skin-to-skin events like this some of the ideas we're chasing right now and I welcome others When the budget allows we're going after more fuel to get more steaming days to simply just practice this more often Thinking we'll get better and better with more reps and sets so to speak We're also conducting a study on the feasibility of adding a dynamic positioning system Dp2 for a sea state 3 environment This would be an autopilot type system that would allow us full station keeping at a slow speed with full computer redundancy We're also conducting a study on improving the ballast system so that we can reduce the amount of time It takes to ballast the ship down to get it ready to receive The small craft come on a board and of course the flip side of Debalasting and getting back into a Seagulling mode We're also working with naval sea systems command on the feasibility of other class of vessels For example our Bobo class and our TAK ease to conduct skin-to-skin when we originally envisioned this concept It was centered on our Bob Hope class large medium speed roll-on roll-off Vessels, but you know, we've got so much out there in the preposition fleet Why don't we look at opportunities and configurations so that we can get more of that those big ships with a lot of stuff in them Alongside to be moved from the sea base slide, please Support for Expeditionary Force 21 is going to require future flexible logistics schemes of maneuver We can't allow maritime logistics to be our strategic vulnerability There's lessons to be learned from how our island chain of logistics and flexible lines of communications enabled our success for example during World War two as Admiral Swift our Pacific Fleet commander has recently stated if you're not mobile you are not relevant We need to develop the ability to have mobile Agile logistics bases that it distributed across the forward battle space The Ulythi atoll Pictured here on this slide was a forward staging base for carrier strike forces during World War two It had a minimum of infrastructure and operated as required over the course of the war Ulythi was one of several similar logistics hubs that could rapidly expand or decrease in size as Needed throughout the Pacific It needs to be noted that there is a growing MSc footprint that contributes to power projection ashore For example in that notional sea base there in the picture on the lower right Six of the nine vessels in that rendition are indeed military sea lift command vessels So you can see how MSc vessels are supporting the ability of the Navy Marine Corps team to project force ashore looking ahead and I welcome your ideas in this regard We need to further what I call operationalized MSc I need to bring a lot more war fighting bandwidth into MSc Bandwidth in this case both of course the cyber kind, but also the thinking kind And we have to put the M back into military sea lift command gone are the days of undisputed control of the oceans Thanks for your opportunity to address you today. I look forward to your ideas and questions and answers in the follow-on session Thank you Hey, how many loggies I got out here Well you guys like loggies because we support you and dog. I appreciate what you do for us, too Hey, I'm gonna build on what animal Shannon said I've given this pitch in different forms in different forums But the log is always the fun sump because he kind of comes in and says hey Here's what you would like to do But this is what you can do in terms of mobility maneuver survivability Sustainment, you know keeping the machine running And what I'd argue is if you look at the top left picture. That's World War two white beach, Okinawa And the machine that Admiral Shannon showed there and you let the harbor and other places We build mass and you look at World War two five thousand ship Navy You know three hundred three thousand aircraft eighty eight thousand tanks American industry is just churning it out. So it's we build a big mountain of steel We operate from that mountain Now fast forward and that picture could be LSAT TQ leather neck all looks the same To a degree. We still do the same thing And what's interesting over time if you look at systems that we had in the 40s and systems we have today They're actually more logistics intensive. I'll give you an example. I'm a former tanker The tank I was on is a museum piece, but that's a different story. Okay, but I used to drive around my M1 5 jeep Wait about twenty four hundred fifty pounds got seventeen miles a gallon You fit inside of a fifty three you could put it if you shoehorn it you could put it inside an AAV Okay, that's great maneuverability Good logistically not a lot of survivability. So all these systems we've all logistics intensive So what my great deputy Brian if you could raise your hand over there Brian would he Were two of northeastern guys, but it works. Okay, but he tells me I'm always enamored With technology fixing these ills that I just talked about the fact that we're getting heavier and more logistics intense and he goes Hey boss, you got to put your mouth Where your brains at because I'm not getting you so today I'm gonna talk real fast to keep to the time limit, but for industry out here. This is what we need First we got to reduce the combat load on the infantry because we're breaking the infantry You know since Roman legion till today no matter how you're getting off the boat or the aircraft You're still doing 2.5 miles an hour walking Well, my uncle did that in World War two in the Royal and more quadjillion landing He had 35 pounds of kit on his back M1 carbine about 30 rounds ammo today We're putting over a hundred pounds You got Marines walking around with artificial hips and broken shoulders because that much load We got a light in the load Ammunition was scary when I was I did the slide over a couple beers yesterday I'll admit but when I was on the there's a lot of gun nut sights out there in survivalist sites But what's fascinating is that on the ammo? There's a company won't say which one build in polymer and plastic casing for rounds instead of brass So I googled how much is 30 rounds of 556? It's about a pound If you go with the plastic it cuts it by about 30 to 50 percent and here's the theme here We got to do a lot of little cuts a lot of little cuts a lot of things will add up to give us the Mobility and the more the light and the load that we need Okay, the next to my son just returned to Flagstaff He's a big hunter much better than I ever was so when he goes out for about an eight to ten day patrol That's what he does He's got a personal filtration system by the way break break personal filtration There was a battalion and six Marines at Camp Lejeune. They went 30 days without bottled water. No Ropu water I love Camp Lejeune, Brian. I own homes down in North Carolina. I wouldn't drink the swamp water Okay, but those Marines were used in personal filtration for 30 days and they could operate that's 21st century forging My son uses the same kind of kit solar He carries a little pad on his back for his garment all his little gadgets so he gets from point A to point B Then the stuff that he's sleeping in cooking in walking in is our it's all I'm broke My credit card is off the charts because he's using my card. Okay, it's REI and I'll tell you what it doesn't weigh 100 pounds it's a lot lighter not saying what we have now isn't good But it could be better and then mechanical mules and exoskeletons if you YouTube that and you see the mule kind of going up the hill I think it's an upstate New York because it's a wooded area kicks the mule Goes down the hill, but it gets right back up and climbs up the hill batteries the problem So Tesla if he figures this out Tesla company. I know Jimmy Drive one. Okay, they figure out the battery issues We're in there. All right next thing streamlined lifting distribution Admiral Shannon talk. I won't beat it to death. Everything doing is great. Thank you very much. Now. Here's the one. It's aspirate But a hundred percent visibility of people things and cargo in the operating environment because I don't Especially based on my experience in Afghanistan It's not much different than it was when Ron Baskowski now we're in the other storm to over to deck decades ago because for General Davis's folks you got helicopters Waiting for people waiting for people waiting for cargo I can tell you from personal experience at least for one month period. We looked at it in Afghanistan We were wasting about 25% of general Davis's time. Okay, because he was waiting for us to get cargo and people Okay, this one. I'm gonna get booed. Heck. Oh, you're crazy. What are you talking about? I believe the biggest scourge that we've ever had in the United States military is bow water Okay, because we just were addicted. It's like an opiate. All right We just we got to have it and I say if you go to personal filtration systems and go back to the future with reverse osmosis And other carrying capacity type containers. We'd be better off Especially if you look at transcom statistics for how much water they left compared to other things All right fuel efficiency. I'm a I'm not a very good mechanic, but I got an old truck My deputy's got a brand new dodge. I guarantee if you go to aftermarket you can make that truck more fuel efficient So as we're developing these systems today, what I would think is Even a 20% gain is going to really pay off an aggregate as you kind of move down the road And then man machine teaming and here I'll go real quick, but I'm man platforms. I'll admit I'm very excited about this Okay, there are a lot of shiny objects. I'm attention deficit. I look at them all but they're very good And when I'm looking for in the aerial side and general Davis and Joe Walsh are working real hard Is everything from the Amazon a little delivery up to a k-max like so I stay good with the lawyers here I want everything small to big and wherever we go. I more of everything. I'm agnostic to the platform or the company I just want it that when we're let's just say we're in the South China Sea and we're gonna we're at seven different locations And we can't build up that mountain of steel. We got to be disaggregated We're gonna be moving a reposition a lot I want about 400 swarm drones going in provide and sustainment and if I lose 200 a it's a bad day But we can replenish that Then supply and maintenance capabilities. I'll be done here in a second I've learned a lot in this job because I used to think sensor respond logistics was like general Davis and his aircraft And it's a chip light and I was gonna tell you hey in about six hours You're gonna have a failure, but really it's much more passive than that So the goal would be and I know it's expensive. I'm TV ours wired for it to a degree But if you get sensor respond in a more predictive manner that would have huge ramifications for logistics prediction and maintenance And then 3d printing to level the supply chain. And here's the thing There's 3d printing it can do everything, you know cure cancer world hunger all here And then really it's not that practical because the environmental concerns especially with metal and the time to print All I'm asking for is look at what we got today 3d printing and by the way general Walters PNR owns one bought one He's printing at home. Okay, if we look at that again that mountain of steel and you flatten that supply chain a little bit So here to here but more like this and you had 3d capability at critical nodes that you could get good enough parts real fast I think that's good enough So I look forward to your questions These are part of the requirements I give myself about a c-plus for these right here because my team is doing a much better job It's all the young smart ones But we'll come back on even more Specificity these down the road for industry and we're excited about achieving what we can in these areas. Thank you very much Okay, all right good well that was a good teasers in there from the admirals and generals there on Some of the things we're looking for so General Dana said c-plus On setting the requirements and that's why we need your help So looking for some good questions in here good interaction back and forth between the panel then how we can work together to get to some of The vision that these leaders have here on where we're trying to head with the Navy Marine Corps team So with that I'll open it up to the any questions we have Okay, yeah, we've got the mics that are go ahead please on the on the right What what technology what techniques are they using to keep the v-22 Osprey exhaust from cooking the ship decks Well, we've been flying the Osprey off the ship. I think since 2008 we've got coatings on board the ship right now We're not cooking off the decks and also to like we do only land We roll into cells a little bit forward is to kind of deflect that heat a little bit so You know when we brought the Osprey in said people's gonna blow people overboard hurricane force winds You know it said the same thing about f-35 and you go watch the 35 shipboard ops and Sailors and Marines are walking around the deck as we shoot the airplanes down the deck. It's It's not it's not a vent and it means we all know the amphibious ships have thinner decks than the big carriers So we have to be a little bit smarter about how we apply the we'll put a thermion on the on the L-class ships out There for the f-35 and it also helps with where the v-22s go, but So far we're not having huge problems with the decks that I know about And we're also of course refining our maintenance procedures and the periodicity Because of that increased loading on the deck. So I think we're in a good good place on that issue Just to jump on the 22 and it's not related to The heat signature in the deck and so forth, but We're really getting after the v-22 on the msc side of the house We're looking at funding a hospital ship To operate the v-22 and imagine what that does for us in terms of the the golden hour so to speak out there We've just funded a study to Look at the hangar door on the back end of our 14 TAKEs And I can't remember it's either two feet higher or four feet wider But cut that thing open a little bit more and then you can fold and stuff a v-22 in there So again brings a lot more platforms into the game for the v-22 I think we support a fleet battle experiment this july We're sending three v-22s out there for the navy cod Test and again Intipate no problems as far as that thing operating off the carrier as well. Again, it's a A lot of ways it's bringing us capabilities We never dream possible as far as a connector and a connector that basically closes distance at speed Tremendous capability. The other thing we're doing with it is putting a refueling package on there too So what we never have enough is water. We also never have enough gas And I like what Mike Dana said about the The the field expedient filtration systems. I'm a backpacker. I use them as well But we can't we can't do the gas we got to we got to get gas out there Fossil fuels out to the objective area and bottom line putting a v-22 with the bars roll on roll off Refueling package gives you 11,000 pounds of gas can pass to the v-22s that are out there the marine configured Go ahead up here in the front Wait wait, we'll wait get the mic coming right up to you Thank you. Uh general. Davis. Can you please elaborate on the types of sensors and weapons? You're looking to integrate onto the v-22 and just a broader question for all of you. What kind of is our assets? Are you looking for? Can you say? Sure, um, what uh Can you get into specifics about what types of sensors and weapons you're looking to integrate onto the mv-22? Okay, um, we've got that won't get some proprietary stuff We've got a little bit of a fly-off going with a nose sensor right now the v-22 Has a navigation flare in the nose. That's pretty much all it has um Airplane is flying a medium altitude We want it to be a look done in the landing zone that it's going to also to support a weapon if need be So looking at really the kind of same kind of systems. We have on our cobras on our uh one wise Uh, I also to on our c-130 uh harvester. The c-130 we've configured to be a weapons platform Plus a gas pass or so We're going to see we've already flown with done experiments out at mots one where we had uh, a laser designator sensor in the nose of the v-22 and it supported um Laser rockets supported gravity drop weapons like the health fire I like the griffin and vipers right and then a switch plate which we tossed out of the back of the airplane and And guided precision impact on a target. So we've already done that at mots Now we're looking for the sensor that would go in the nose of the airplane And you could see where they'd be probably a health fire or laser rocket or or something like a Gryffiner vipers strike with v-22. We'll let the requirements guys decide what's best For that airplane, but uh, that's so far it's going to want and again, it's an airplane that's airborne So it should be contributing from an isr perspective and in a collection perspective So the intrepid tiger we talk about what is ours out there But intrepid tiger is a is a jamming system that we've developed and developed inside the dod open architecture We'll build a rf system Here in 2019 But that will go in the v-22 as well. So it it collects It also is a system that can be used by the guy on the ground to provide electronic warfare and is our services out there as well Well, I just talked about v-22 edit. We got the rq-21 going to to mu right now It's it's uh, it's got a sensor on there right now. It gives it about a nears 4 capability Next year we get a near 7 capability plus a beyond line of sight antenna on the on the mq-21 plus adaptive payloads To include a modular ight and trepid tiger. They'll go inside the weapons bay the payload of the the mq-21 if I could just Add to that, you know, I think um This morning when the commandant and cno talked about technology advances and how quickly it's going and trying to keep pace I think the one advantage we've got is our american industry and the technologies that You're able to develop for us. I think working more much more closely. We've got to work closer with you So you understand what we're trying to do So we can you can understand the problem we've got and how we can develop you can help us solve it But what I think we're looking at with the technology advancing so quickly really any platform we have ground or air Uh, we want to put more technology onto those So we don't want just single platforms that can do one thing. We want everything to be utility out there. So um, if it's a Unmanned aerial system that we've got up there. We want to be able to put in, you know Use it for cargo. We want to be able to put sigin packages on it We want to be able to put uh precision weapons on it sensors on it to be able to use it in multi ways Because the majority of the con ops that we're doing in especially force 21 and also I think Robert on the navy side and distributed maritime operations or distributed lethality that that the navy's working so hard on Is any type of distributed operations? We're paying a lot of money for the platforms whether it's in amphibious combat vehicles and f-35 or it's one of our uas systems Those are the platforms that we have that we invest in our long-term programs The things that we can spiral in as general davis says from an open architecture standpoint That's what we want to be able to do is to bring that technology in rapidly Because that's where we see the threat being able to do that so much of this as things that are coming in Uh through commercial capabilities where the the industry today is on the commercial side That's developing things quickly that we can bring in and use that in different ways today on our military side So I think if if anything that I would say is Look at each in our distributed operations the more we can distribute The more we can expand the battle space operate more spatially And put the enemy in a dilemma by us being able to operate in many dimensions I think the more we can use every system we have with different types of payloads and different types of technology Our young people today can operate in that environment better than anybody on the planet We've just got to be able to get that technology into the platforms. We have today and be able to operate in different ways if I could just on that with Mike dain had talked about k max and you were talking about so we I was just out in yuma We've we've got two k max out there in a line and in our in our operational test squad or vmx one Um, we've got a line number in the budget We're basically to put a b-loss antenna and a sensor ball on that on that k-max helicopter And we use them in afghanistan, but didn't have a beyond line of sight capability So with a sensor ball and a beyond light of sight antenna I can now I can use that to go deliver logistics like mike might need but in route to the Delivery that can actually be doing is our work as well. So It's uh, you know, why wouldn't you do something like that? If you had it and the other thing is kind of cool about that airplane looking to use the same icos-2 Ground control system how we would actually control that airplane We believe we can get the k max to fly with that same system as well So one ground control station for multiple uas. So we talked about lightning the load We got to move all this stuff forward and work with it. So why wouldn't you do that? We are I think there's like you said will or there's a lot that's going on out there to put more stuff in everything we have You brought up a good theme and uh I I need your thoughts and ideas in bandwidth because we're gonna have to bring military seat of command into this discussion of Sensors weapons systems the integration of them Um, when you looked at those world war two pictures flashed up earlier. That was a uss game Military sea lift command did not exist during world war two But in tomorrow's fight You have merchant mariners on alternative platforms Right at the edge of their joint operating area joint operating area So we've got to look at Does our country invest in putting some kind of defensive capability on those ships in terms of weapons and of course the sensors that goes along with them And then how do you get into the command and control of them and then start to ask yourself the question about The legal issues and the policy issues associated with mariners being involved in that kind of work How to work the ships into the operations The c2 of it And and of course the The working up and and deploying of it, you know, within a joint task force exercise type structure. So there's a Big bow wave of work ahead for us at military seat of command in that domain I've just got a quick comment if I could your is our question is really good I'm dating myself, but if you saw the movie the graduate, you know, the guy goes it's plastics plastics That's the future I'd say that the future is an secure secure information collection processing and application And where I'm going with this is that there's a book called Mozart's brain and the fighter pilot There's another one society of the mind But it just kind of talks about how fast the human brain can kind of take all kinds of information And this kind of applies the individual platform to a staff to you know strategic operational tactical all levels But how are you going to kind of pull that information together? And I'd argue that if you looked at Boyd's zoodle loop, you know until like 1985 that that loop was kind of this big Because it just it took a lot of time to observe and orient decide and act But today with the abilities that we have That you can network a force You're moving at the speed of heat And it's like machines fighting machines and the human It's got to kind of figure out where he injects himself to kind of get the right effect I think we really would benefit From figuring out how to network you we're doing this you guys are but how you not only network it But how you process all the information to get you the best decisions at the right time Hi, okay in the back back there Hope hodgesack with military.com apologies. I have one more v-22 question As uh you work on putting a weapon system on the osprey Um one criticism I hear with some regularity is that the the osprey is too Delicate uh for for some operations, you know People refer to the the brownout crash that happened Last year And I was just wanted to give you general davis and anyone else an opportunity to you to respond to that criticism What you say and and how robust the system really is Okay, I it's a little hard to hear you, but I think you said that uh, how can we put more systems on the osprey is considered a delicate system Um, I is that right? Oh, okay yeah Our lessons learned from the brownout crash of nothing to do with the osprey as a platform has a lot to do how we train and the standards by which we apply Uh to our how we train guys fly the airplane It's probably got and i'm a harrier guy and i've done brownout landings in v 22 I'm a hell of a lot more scared than a 53 in a brownout situation than I am in a v 22 I've actually got a pretty good system to land a v 22. I'm working on one for the 53 and my other helicopters out there I'll tell you that both air force special operations command in the united states marine corps have had v 22 shut up In afghanistan and in sudan And this airplane is about the most robust thing we've ever put in the air it it's a horse. It does really well Um and frankly those airplanes we haven't had one shut down. They all come back So bottom line. We think we've got a winner. It's very It's a very robust airplane. We want to make it the parts on that's on it right now last longer I'd like to get a higher readiness number out of that So i'm wearing out the oems and that's what I need from you is if you saw me something make sure it not only It works, but it works for a long time. It works well um, but bottom line is the uh, I think The I've heard some complaints about Hey, it's too much of a task load for the pilots to go run a weapon system in run of v 22 um I think that we're gonna focus just like we first brought the v 22 and we used to fly around 60 degrees in a cell because That's where we used to fly in the ch46 and that's how we'd fly a v 22 We put a new generation of guys in there and gals flying the airplane and they're like we're flying across the atlantic We're gonna go a long way this thing's a beast We're gonna all the stuff that the young people are doing with the new technology. They're doing it You give them a weapon system. You give them a sensor It won't be a problem. We do it with single-seat airplanes right now They'll just do a better job of crew resource management and one of them we work in the sensor in the weapon system They won't be doing a flying like we do and every other two-seat airplane Um, I've got zero concerns about that and uh, except for how fast we can do this for our marines like I was just gonna add that in afghanistan the mv 22 was incredible I mean that is a phenomenal platform. I shouldn't admit this in public. I get a little scared right now I think it's so fast. I mean it literally pulls g I mean, it's just a phenomenal platform and the rain this was high and the zones were incredibly bad I mean, we usually had time to do more zone prep in iraq You know kind of put down some aggregate these guys would go into anything and they're flying left and right And then the 53k just real quick that's coming next another phenomenal logistic friendly platform You know lift 39,000 39,000 yeah, that's these are great capabilities. I mean when american industry gets it right it gets it right m1 tank mv 22 53k What I would like to be able to do is that sensor in the nose of the airplane if I can see the lz As I'm approaching lock that and I hand that to the system in some ways the best Landing is the automated landing, you know, we're the pilots using the system to fly the airplane and trusting technology Um, I didn't know any better So I just trusted the technology and it wasn't trying to find my feet if you were landed a helicopter or brown at It'd be really disorienting. Um, it's got a great system right now. We just need to use it Okay, I think we had a question in the back John Thomas Marine Corps retired. I just wanted to pick up on general dana's Comments relative to the udaloo You know, we've all heard of the internet of things And of course, you know, everybody in this room has got a Phone or something that connects to the internet in the same way on the battle battlefield potentially So, you know, as you try to shorten that decision cycle, you've got another mountain That you have to deal with it's the mountain of data So how would you grade each of the services on how well you're doing in Getting at that data and being able to analyzing it and make sense out of it I would just say that I think and this is not a ding on The current staffs and the processes but the way that we Analyze data now I think is kind of a 20th century mindset Now and all's I can go to is Something I read it's true. It was on the internet has to be true But if you if you look at watson the IBM computer Which was able to download all encyclopedia knowledge all wikipedia And it plays against the guys on jeopardy One the guy that won the most money the other guy that answered the most questions Watson beat it hands down Then what's most disturbing to me because it's Kurzweil's book singularities near talks about man-machine interface Okay, is there's a watson like on steroids Played the game of go and the difference with go is it's it's a little bit more cognitive It's not brute computing power. It's you got to kind of think through the problem set So this is like how 2001 i'm really dating myself with that movie Okay, but it's it's something a little different So I just think to answer your question is that instead of having human beings doing mounds of Data crunching you create some type of algorithm or a computer that can actually analyze it You got to set the right Things you're looking for in there to get after it, but that's how you would do it and I just think When I spend time with the young ones and I went to the las vegas consume electronic show and you got all the MIT crowd and the route 128 and the you know silicon valley They're out there. I mean some of the things that they're coming up with are truly Revolutionary and I think we'd benefit by kind of tapping into some of the things the private sector is doing For information IBM especially, you know with some of their initiatives So that was I give myself a be my sound that answer, but I gave these guys time so well One of the things that I would say is that this is something that we're working towards And we'll continue to work towards because we're not there yet And when we start talking about industry, this is where I think we we can work together and work towards A solution set to help us Analyze large amounts of data. We've got several different initiatives going where we're looking ongoing where we're looking at the best way to try to Neck this down or how we deal with big data. So this is an ongoing project in my opinion that We're open to steal anything you have or take anything you offer That may narrow that down Revolutionize how we analyze big data. I just real quick to I know dog wants to go But I I'd say what would be helpful, you know, I listed things that we need is siri on steroids Because because siri is like the first very aggravating especially when you got a new york accent It doesn't understand me, you know But if you took that to the next level and it could answer questions and kind of data mine for you that fast I think that would be incredible siri mike daner A Little different going on the information side for me Sitting here We do we're working a lot of stuff with so many in the room on big data analytics to be more predictive as far as what we need to Basically to energize the readiness engine to get maximum range out of our platforms but I was thinking about Our information flow at the tactical edges way in our application of data and a lot of times The guys weren't stars. We want to we want to look at the data. We want to help decision make with the data available to us I think we've got a generation that's a heck of a lot better Analyzing the data and is able to decision make and I think we somehow in some ways have to kind of back The generals and the admirals back from the kill chain and back from analyzing the data You're going to have people forward with the data and basically empower them with mission type orders and good ROE to go kill effectively make good decisions We were down at Fort Worth about two months ago and watched a scenario out there Of our young f35 guys and granted these are some really exceptional people Prower pilots hornet pilots area pilots all wearing patches all really good But we did a demonstration for our Our infantry marine senior leaders about what we could do at airplane What I watched from the decision making and how those guys in one year's time If changed, I used data it it knocked my socks off They actually did one scenario way I told them not to do it But they did it better than I told them to do it and they still achieved their objective and made it more complex It's about equipping the man and allowing them to do their job I think in some ways the data flow at the tactical edge I look at what happens when these networks are cleaved and I work four and a half years at cyber command They will part of those networks will be cleaved. You're going to have damaged networks out there And you've got to fight through that how we use the data at the tactical edge is the key and that's what I saw at the WTI Exercise even with some cyber attacks and some things like that on the networks out there We put the the f35s forward and they achieved a 24 to 0 kill ratio The only way they could do that is going basically it was basically their network Of a four ship and a six ship and an eight ship talking together forward But if they had to go do a mother may I to the rear they would have been cut off and Out of schlitz So bottom line is how do we allow these great warriors these great warfighters to go do the job and not cuff them By having the senior leaders want to have access to the data and a complete information picture I think the picture will the picture will be clouded I think it will be we'll kind of launch communication will be cut Much like we saw in the larger fights that in our nation's past when you're up against a near peer competitor Not everything's going to be perfect. We have to learn to fight imperfect as well I think you know general davis talked about sensor fusion in the f35 So I think if you you kind of look at you know going back to f4 f18 f35 And where we're at today with f35 to be able to fuse information that the airplane is sensing in the way It's able to do that and make it simpler for the pilot the area that I think Down at quantico that I'd really like to focus a lot of this is on the ground side In man to unmanned teaming I think is an area that we really need a lot of help from industry on We just did an experiment a couple weeks ago where we had a robot Tethered to a uas and it was going through looking through a village Trying to locate a high value target And it was all autonomous it would be able to look through go through the village on its own Not teamed with an operator or even it was teamed with an operator But the operator wasn't controlling it and we got to a point where it couldn't go any further Ran into an obstacle that could launch the uas the uas would go out there and then also look for High value target using biometrics those sort of things and locate the target and pass that off Those are the type of things when you think about our ground Combat element out patrolling and you think about how we're operating today in many ways It's not a whole lot different than cavalry back in in earlier times in civil war days When we're running into the enemy, how can our ground vehicles? What type of systems like general davis is talking about that we have on our aircraft? How can we bring those into our ground vehicles? So the ground commanders on the ground are in their vehicles, but they've got capabilities out ford Unmanned teaming with them being able to sense what's out in front of them So we're not running right into the enemy So I think the man-to-man teaming is another area that we've got to be able to take big data and bring it in And be able to pass it back to decision makers Okay question up here in the front This should be a hard question for general bailey. I hope yeah Actually, sir. My question is for vice admiral thomas He talked about his three the three three examples you talked about service all transitioning between Navy and Marine Corps and then then ground essentially and really my question is In the examples that you that you gave really calm architecture at least to some degree at least calm architecture to facilitate what you were trying to do with respect to the transition from From a naval service to a to a ground service combatant So here's my question from it from a industry technology perspective. Did you have the calm architecture? Shared situation where it is between the elf hawk and the and the sack when you talk about being able to Bring forces ashore essentially your last example in talisman sabre and then maintain the op-con take on them the brave and pull them back And did the guy on the ground also have that same shared situation where to understand That that at any time or any moment depending on what he was doing what you need to do to be able to pull that pull that ground commander or Pieces of his force back into a ship in order to maintain a naval You know to retain to stay within the the naval part of the of the battle Yeah, I think you've Set the scene well with the question And I think the previous comments are relevant It's going to be contested We've got a count on that So our comms will be contested. I think uh tk used a A quote from Admiral swift that said if you're not mobile, you're not relevant or maybe it was general dana I would offer that communication systems in the future If you're not open architecture, you're not relevant Because if I can't quickly shift out of One mode and into another In a contested environment especially with And we all look at quote peer competitors peer competitors in the electromagnetic spectrum Can be you know that kid in grandma's basement firing down snickers bars and hacking into our networks So there's a lot of peer competitors in the electromagnetic spectrum And so I would offer a count on it to be contested be Uh any future comm system or network system if it's not got an open architecture Backbone then I think we're fooling ourselves. I think the comments here were very relevant As to industry Especially in the commercial sector is moving very very fast. We need to take advantage of that and then There's another aspect to this that is philosophical It is the navy and the marine corps Along with the army and the air force Have to be comfortable With shifting command and control in non traditional ways And it's almost from you know for john whistler and robert thomas We tried some things out and people were criticizing us and we said hey get over it We're going to sit there and put a marine in charge of the battle force Well before the marines are assured Doesn't mean that i'm not still responsible for making sure that the fleet is postured to defend the amphibious objective area But it all of those transition pieces those kind of command and control issues In the seams and in transition It's hard enough with perfect communications Now lay it over with contested communications. And the last thing you want to do is be is decide You know to purposely put a transition in In a tough spot I say get it done early and then You can kind of adapt along the way. Does that help get after your question? So Yeah, great follow-up. Are we there or are we making progress? We are not there Uh, especially as it relates to Our traditional amphibious force And to the incredibly relevant Military sea lift command and non traditional platforms I mean, it's great to show a picture of a joint high speed vessel Now i've got to be able to talk to it in some way We did a great experiment out in seventh fleet called pandaren net Where we put a commercial application On uss fort worth a littoral combat ship Using low earth orbit commercial satellites The bandwidth increase was incredible and it allowed us to do a lot of i'll call it unclassified work Without tying up our secure network on the ship We've got to move to that routinely throughout the fleet And then be able to use it in creative ways when we have to be Secure And i'll put that word in quotes Hey, if I could jump on that real quick sniper the We talked about open architecture and I think what that that implies is a we're not there yet, but it's a it's a It's a requirement for the future And it implies also too that we want more agile systems out there and I think we talked about I think mike dain had talked about it. Ron billy talked about I talked about willer talked about it Multimission platforms, I think military sea lift command as well About how we how do you extract maximum value at everything you have? Okay, I think we got to get out of this this this platform does this and doesn't do that I think you've got to try to make your platforms more multi-mission That would go that for the the seabed this the ship systems as well You have to make them interoperable You've got to make sure that the l-class ships have the command and control system That allows them to plug and play and interoperate with our Recurrier strike groups if we choose to do that we I could see a multiple multiple scenarios where we would want to do that We're going to have to do that to carry a day to project maximum combat power for our nation They're going to have to fight from the time we leave the port to the time We get there in order to have a ship to objective maneuver It's an imperative for our nation to get that right So I think open architecture implies an agility and a flexibility that we have We've traditionally had in the naval services and I think we need to kind of get back there I was talking about my first deployment I a lieutenant I didn't know any better. I was a harrier paw in 19 start flying here is 1982 My first deployment was part of a fleet battle experiment that had a british carrier A us carrier in a the uss inch on with 14 harriers embark And we it was an air defense drill all the way across the Atlantic up through the iris sea and into norway We started doing Straight supportive marine operations We need to kind of get back to that experiment mindset But we're going to try the the big ideas to to tie our fleets together And that was a british carrier out there. We're in submarines and shooters I think we're going to need to do that to carry the day and we can't discover that we are not interoperable on game day We have to try to lay this the stake out there now to go do that And we're bringing in seven months time We're going to have f-35s in japan the first squadron marine aircraft f-35s We'll be landing at iwakuni to do operations out there Bottom line We've got a lot of work to do to make sure that we're making maximum use of those great airplanes out there To help our nation carry the day Okay, well, I think we're out of time at like to first thank our panelists for their insights Probably more importantly, I'd like to thank all of you for your time and your interest in being here And lastly, uh, I thank all of you for continuing to partner with us You can tell that uh, there's a lot of tough problems that you're bringing up from the audience a lot that we've got up here Ourselves and we're looking forward to solving these with you in this complex world. We're operating So thank you and have a good day