 And this is the Red Room team, and I'm really happy that we get to live here because previously we met at the diagonal part of the exhibition, and I'm really happy to see that there's opportunities for both the CSR site of my work as well as possibly a bridge to the minister of education and minister of labor when it comes to supporting our workforce and further lowering our employment rate, which are very important national policies, keep it well under 4% and things like that. And if you just walk in, there was a CSR event just then with the impact of Taipei, and I think care for it, about like sustainable food use, and I think they just gave out some awards to the innovations from the MPOs and social entrepreneurs that maximizes the use, so to further both the 100 but also responsible and that is one good case of CSR, and this is the venue that we run. A lot of CSR events like these, so which one do you like to register? Namibian, would you like to start? Sure. So it's the first time we meet, and I'm going to introduce my helpers a little bit. I'm Red Room, new program coordinator, before that I was Mana, joined here 3 months ago. Basically Red Room, I know you were here last time, and we're facing, so Red Room is a nonprofit organization, and we do a lot of events. We have different programs, we have musical performance, we also have awareness program, vision dialogue, we try to educate the people, we try to gather the people, locals, foreigners, and there's a lot of great people coming in that place. But so far we're facing an issue where we have been asked to move space because there's a new plan for the Air Force area and all this area. We had the first meeting with Sea Lab people and construction head of construction people here, and it was in August 23rd, and they told us that by the end of the year we'll have to find a new location and empty the space for them to be able to rearrange the space and just reorganize it. For other artists, or maybe they will send a call out for artists, we don't know yet, but it was with WOMA and other volunteers pending, and so that's what we've been told. So far we kept running all the events we have, because we haven't scheduled a lot of events until December, and we are right now in the process of looking for new space and eventually finding other collaborations and other open doors for Red Room because we're celebrating also our 10-year anniversary in 10 days. Wow. Yeah, this is the 70th anniversary. Wow, it's awesome. So please join us, bring your friends, bring people, if you could join us, it's a whole weekend celebration, November 16th and 17th, and we hope that this will be not the end of Red Room, but just a continuous new beginning. We'll just take this as a new adventure, but we'll also need some help, because we have a great service to provide and we have people that support us, most of the people that have been our volunteers, and there's a lot of programs for Taiwanese. We want more Taiwanese people to come. What's about programs are bilingual, Chinese and English. We tend to do that as much as we can. Sometimes it's only English, but it's usually, sometimes it's only art class, so it's fine actually. People can practice the English, but if it's some like visual dialects or exhibitions, we tend to translate everything in Chinese, make sure that it's Taiwanese for me. So yeah, that's what I wanted to bring up. So about this, let's just call it a kind of doorway from a Red Room to a new Red Room. Yeah. A new room. So is there a potential like new rooms, venues that you've already... So we've been in contact with the new Taipei City Government because we went to some panel discussion and we were great to meet... What was her name? Chin Yu. Chin Yu, yeah, and she was just amazing. She wanted to support us and so she put us in contact with some of her colleagues who are in charge of locations and venues and some areas in new Taipei City, which we were happy to try and see what we have. We just wanted to be like closer and more access to people and we visited some. One was just not the size we need because we need actually bigger size. It was a small house and needed a lot of renovation that we are not able to afford because it's too much money and the other one was just actually not able to be used because they wanted also to do some cultural space but they were happy to help and we were also in contact with another person that gave us some contact info that we... And Christiana had me to contact it because my Chinese is not so good. But yeah, so we have some... We started some and so far there's not like a concrete solution or a place that we kind of imagine ourselves as a new home. But Roma has looked also for new places too much for collaboration and maybe we can start from that after December and probably it would be that if we have no other options. So MRT is obviously important. Yeah. But the MRT technically runs all the way through the airport. Right, yeah. Yeah, it's true. So it crosses three municipalities. So there's actually quite a few near the MRT places, not only in Linko, which is where most of the inhabitants of this space before it became Social Information Lab, it was the app lab or something like that. And many of them are now in Linko because Linko is much larger. It has good facilities and they invited Amazon, Microsoft and so on. If you're pulling apps, you'd rather be closer to these folks rather than to us. And so, I mean, they're still developing their code not yet at a stage where they can demonstrate social impact. So Linko is for that. But Linko, as I understand for you, because there's a lot of performances and a large exhibition and so on. So Linko is more constrained in individual spaces. Although it also has a good property in the sense that it's a real property that you can actually live in it. Because it started as an athlete's living quarters. And so for international visiting artists, there's like ready rooms for you to live in. And as Linko, although you may not sit your social gathering purposes perfectly, you may actually work somewhere for the living apart and you don't have to renovate that. That's within renovation. But along the MRT to Taoyuan, there are more spaces. And the closer you get to the airport, of course the larger the spaces get. But also, it means that you have to really rely on mostly the Taoyuan line of the MRT which I'm not sure whether you're ready to. Yeah. Maybe too far. Well, I wouldn't close any doors right now. At this point, we'd say we've put in ten years. We've been very fortunate to have, of course, the library space and now this space. And it's been a great time for us to experiment, try new programs, you know, less risk, right? Not a lot of cost, but we've been able to really explode in terms of the kind of programs we do. We are hoping this anniversary with calling everybody who's ever into absolute revenue, transformed by revenue, attached by it, to come and share their story and maybe we can rebirth revenue into the career. We're really open to that because it's a very, it's always been very organic and we can continue to be organic. It's literally, as we say, by the people, for the people. With the people. With the people. So, whatever the community needs, we respond. We're not, that's our thoughts. We're not, like, stuck in any sort of strict parameters. So, we're really, really open to developing and release. I think it's what we're exploring. Okay, okay. So, yeah, I think, I mean, this is really close by. So, I'll be in Rotterdam, but I'll see if my colleagues can come. But I'd like to, I'd like to Rotterdam on the morning of Saturday. Otherwise, I would have none. So, can I just quickly explain there are two things. So, one is an all-day live art and music. So, there'll be artists with their easels set up. There'll be music, different bands playing their day. We'll be coming to the live. And then, at the end of the day, there'll be an auction of the work. Throughout the day, we'll come and watch the artists work. Bids are the silent kind of thing. Doing that. And then, at the end of the day, there'll be an auction off. And then, the next day, is an open-loop storytelling. That's what we're talking about. We're inviting everybody who we know, who's ever known, to come and tell their story. How do we, with those stories, we hope to build for them. We want to listen to what people have to say. This is excellent. This is awesome. So, I think I'll definitely pass this information along and see if any of our potential venue and or network providing friends can make it to their bedroom. But, I think please continue with your presentation. I think I interrupted you. No, no, no. It's an open conversation. So, but assuming that you do find a venue before the end of the year, what are some of the ways that we can be of help, even though we're more than technically neighbors? We're very closely aligned. Just recently, I helped the talent circulation alliance folks to do the talent circulation alliance summit with Morris John and friends, and they launched a conversation, tca.talk2.tw, talks2.tw, tca.talk2.tw, and they are asking what are the main obstacles to talent circulation between Taiwan and the world, what should the governments do to address these problems? And they are, this is by me, well, I just happened to open the intermediary interface. And many of these ideas actually align with what Red Room is doing. And, for example, designing, especially for art and design-related curricula, foreign professors, foreign lecturers can be admitted by their country's criteria, instead of Taiwan academic criteria, which would massively open doors for, especially in the design and art profession, qualified lecturers to build their career here in Taiwan without having to pass through a different set of exams and so on here. And also the two-year experience, because some people come to Taiwan to pivot to a different work and saying that you have to get two years of experience previously outside of Taiwan in that work area. It's actually very counter-intuitive, so on and so forth. So there's many good ideas already being referenced. And I think the American Chamber of Commerce will take the ones that resonate the most with the new unity and write them into their M-Chem White Paper, which, as you know, is very powerful when it comes to affecting Taiwanese policy. And so, yeah, I think this kind of structure is due very much alone, even though maybe physically we're apart. I think value-wise we're all further in the same values. Well, we hope that Red Room can continue to contribute towards the big picture of Taiwan, towards Taiwan becoming more open, more creative. All those things, and that's why we hope we can have a bigger part of that picture for sure. And we're also open to suggestions from you in terms of how we can plan into things that we can project. But I think, may I ask you to talk about the other three issues? Well, two issues, one is, yes, which we approach. So, actually, thank you so much for giving us suggestions, because we actually already met one time. And then you actually gave us suggestions about which place we could possibly apply for certain subsidies. And actually, one of them was the Ministry of Labor. That's right. Yeah, and then the other one was regarding the CSR platform. Yeah, that's the SI.Taiwan platform. Yes. I just suggested that you do a registration of your organization. Yes, which we did. And then we were wondering, because after we did... We did? Yes. Because I didn't quite see any of you. Oh, does it go to you? No, which name are you registering on? Maria. Okay. With the email of your studies on the platform. Okay. And so, Hong-Fang-Lun-Zhao-Ying-Zhu-Zi-Oui, what was that name under which you registered your organization? Red Room International. Red Room International. Yeah. So did you put the Chinese name? I put the English one. Red Room International. That's very important. It's not registered as Red Room International. It's registered in a personal way. So we have to be official. Right. Right, so it is Hong-Fang-Lun-Zhao-Ying-Zhu-Zi-Oui. I don't see it yet in our registrar. Yeah. With the right official title. The name of the company. Every city, red room, cultural, education, art. Yes. I'll try again. The staff that does the registration are literally these folks. How can I do that? That's right. It's just an administrative thing, but for many of the subsidies and the resources and programs, they look at a kind of exact match, like Hong-Fang-Lun-Zhao-Ying-Zhu-Zi-Oui, which is registered ID 72957360. Right. Yeah, I did enter this number. So maybe we'll just add a Chinese name to it. No, no, no. It's easier to match. I'll check with the match. Okay, so please. Yes. Yeah, so basically we want to do what kind of informational support can you get as a registered on the CSF platform. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah. And then generalists, regarding the subsidies for labor for employment, because we do, Reverend does help one of the roles of Reverend is actually to increase cultural collaboration between different peoples, and that includes, for example, the aboriginals, can tell one. So, yeah. So in terms of the subsidies that we've got from the Ministry of Labor in order to employ these people, yeah, we were wondering, because we checked on the program, and we were wondering what are some other more concrete ways to actually help them. For example, we checked on the list, and basically, yeah, there was some documentation, but we were wondering what are some more concrete steps or contacts that you could ask for me. Did you call the... I think I showed you this H. Yes, yes. And there's a telephone number. Okay. Here. Did you get into the contact with the... Because the way Ministry of Labor works is that there's five local support centers. Okay. And each one is very quick to answer questions. And because you're registering at the city. Right. So that means that the... ...which is hard to describe, geographic entity, but anyway, the north end center will handle this kind of administrative questions. Okay. So maybe I forgot to say that, but it's... Yeah, we'll check further. Okay. So you should just give them a call under the chat. That's right, yes. Yes, that does their job. That's great. And as for the CSR grant, so there's two levels. Yes. One is that once you register, you declare your SDG goals and you let us know that which project you're processing or profiling on. And then you just click here. Sorry. I really should... Yeah, so proposal. And make a proposal. Like some of them are doing a three SDGs project, building a long-term care center in the indigenous place in O'Lan. And that's the most rural area in the Taichung city. And here is their plan to work. Here's how much funding and how much support personnel they need. Some of them they are planning to make a client bank. So like in-client-client contributions that will be played once you get out. And then also other plans. And then the system will start training and getting you the CSR partners to fulfill your proposal. So this is the village show. Okay. That makes more sense now. It is all on the SI platform. So if you go to SI, you're registered and you just make a proposal. And again, if there's any questions, just call this number. Which is helpful. Wow. We're so close. We're so close. That's right. Almost here. Yeah, we're just talking here. So that's the first thing. The virtual one. And the physical one, actually, if within a week until the 11th, you can also apply to simply set up an office here. So a very close relationship. So you're saying that you have space for an office here? Yeah. Did you go to the basement? No. Maybe we should take you on a tour. Yeah. Yeah. So that's physical meetings. And we relaxed a lot of rules on usage so you can redecorate. I already learned really. Within a year. So this is again a year, and then, but the base of this is basically we're a social incubator. And so there's two tracks. One is if you're a startup. You're an MPO or a company that is less than five years old. Which of course, we're not. It says on it. Right. It's a little complicated. It's been 10 years. But the association formerly was only registered three years ago. Oh, so you're also a startup? Yes. Okay, so you can apply for a startup track. Wow. Amazing. Well, it would probably get questioned during the Q&A. But there's another track which is the social innovation track. And in the social innovation track, the idea is that all the resources that we work through, you link some kind of proposal that shows for each dollar spent on subsidies and grants. You create more than one dollar of social value compared to we just randomly give them out as direct subsidies to people you need. I don't know, support. And it could be on any of the SDGs. So education is great. And it's part of it. So teaching people to be global citizens of sustainability. That's an obvious social cost for you. And it's the same anyway. So in your proposal, if you make these two points that you're rebooting and also you're creating more social impact. Because you have to have owners as well. They can also directly donate to people you need. They run their own exhibitions and so on. So you have to justify it already. And so just use the same narrative. And the deadline is five days from now. But I'm sure you have lots of the facts. Yeah, it takes very very long. Can you say it right? Oh my God, it's November 11? That's right. Because you're an established brand, I don't think the judges will be completely oblivious to your work. And so then, once you're a physical tenant at the group at tea of the basement of the space, then that gets you even more because we know you're physically here. And so there's a lot of like dinners with CSR contests. Like all the collaborations on like goals, for example, we just did one on the circular economy that previously there was education innovation and previous to that is telemedicine and so on. And because you're a community, there's bound to be community members in your community that are more interested in that particular aspect. And so then as community members then there's events here. And then you can also make the full use of not just the basement space but also all the spaces here you'll have priority compared to other organizations to use this space for your public events. And so and we relaxed the rule actually for the next year. There's even a grocery store. And like you can actually trade it. So it used to be the entire Air Force is like forbidden to do like direct transactions for commercial use. But we also relaxed that. That's why we got a new apartment, why we got a new street number. So even though we're technically part of the space that we are number 99 in the section three of your high road which is not the same number as the rest. That's the same. This thing that you just mentioned does it apply to our area? We got a new street number so we can apply for a different land use. But branding wise we're all part of CELAP. It's the social innovation area within CELAP that allows for innovations of this kind. Great. That's really good to know. Every time we talk to you you give me a lot of hope. That's kind of my big job. That's great. That's really, I mean we've got so much information from you today. This is fantastic. So if we were to put our stuff together before November 11 wherever we go to apply what's the... So I just googled the social innovation in startups. Social innovation in startups. Social innovation in startups. And that's it. And if you google for those four words you'll see this BDS5 that's the first thing. And I think if your written proposal is like bilingual that's best because it shows your bilingual capacity but I mean Chinese only is fine. The AGOT folks like Crossroads and other folks who focus on getting all the government service bilingual I think they are also putting forward a proposal and technically it can be all English of course, but I convinced them that because their work is bilingual isn't so maybe it makes more sense to be bilingual Right. Increase their chances. And so there's also some curation going on so if you and those AGOT gets admitted it's very likely that you'll be next to each other Which is great because they are working very closely with the National Regional Council and other ministries to make our services truly bilingual. And that's one of the tangible results because any time they do a usability testing of our new road out service to make sure it's as friendly to people with Mandarin as first language and Mandarin in English as first language or as second languages then they will meet people to give their honest opinions not constrained by you know, society relationships and so your community may be perfect. Fantastic. So one of the things that we moved here we were we were really excited to be in a big community with other organizations other artists and we wanted to collaborate a lot of you know, buzz here my favorite part but it never happened. So what you're saying now is if we work to have a base here we have access to all of this all these other amazing places especially in native people which is really what we're all about we want that we're all about business connected basically whatever we do that's what it's down to. Okay, so maybe you become closer to this. I actually have some other questions regarding subsidies because it does take somebody to run this and we were wondering since our target, one of our target audiences and we also to achieve to help the goal of telecom we're wondering if there's any subsidies that we could ask from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of Interior based on the fact that one of our target audiences is trying to find this way from Taiwan I don't know because I went on a few websites and I tried to check but I couldn't find it so I was just wondering if you could share So a couple of things the largest one is actually the International Trade Bureau of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs they run huge exhibitions or rather they found people huge exhibitions and they can just directly subsidize up to I don't know, more than 2 million devalues the event and you don't find that in MOFA or in other ministries but it makes sense if you can align it with one of the like core industry innovations so we're at such an innovation slide and we're at the industrial innovation side and the the I.I. as opposed to S.I. which is oriented for the 17 sustainable rules the I.I. team is more around which is like circular economy renewable energy you do know the video and so these events if you angle as you're promoting the awareness that Taiwan is now renewable then Taiwan is running an open age of connecting to Silicon Valley platform and things like that then they'll be very interested just to look at how the talent circulation alliance runs its image that's how that works and MOFA doesn't do much like inbound they do a lot of inbound so for inbound the things I'm aware is mostly our both diplomatic allies and also other island nations not necessarily diplomatically allied so they send people to Taiwan for training for understanding because we saw a lot of issues pertaining to islands like maybe 20 years ago or 10 years ago and we're glad to share but that may not be your forte to be very frank because it's not at all artsy it's not at all about design thinking it's more about how to do development without sacrificing their long-term environmental and economic viability and so unless you focus on that it's kind of hard to get the inbound and the equivalent I have is the ICDF and if you just look at the ICDF website you will know what they're doing since the International Cooperation and Development Fund but we just had a trip to Addis Ababa which worked really well one of our social innovators who use AI to solve TB as in the epidemic that the cuffing like tuberculosis TB TB TB usually according to WHO each check takes anywhere from 7 to 10 U.S. dollars that's the running average not just in Africa but everywhere but they use AI to reduce it to sub-dollar and so for each check it's now very affordable so they had a trip as I mentioned the RCSR matching trip to Yilan with the indigenous people there because they look at the stats and see where the TB is the most in Taiwan which is kind of difficult to find but they managed to find some place and then we had a conversation there and delivered this kind of AI based to deploy a lot of doctors there they could be in large hospitals and do this remotely with the help of AI and so on the stage of the U.N. center in Africa these are such innovators just announced that any of 30 or so African Union leaders in the audience if you want to be eradicated you just pay only and then Taiwan can help that's our core message and that was really successful and so if any of your work aligns to that then I'm sure ICDF want to talk to you but as I said it's very specific so that's the extent that I know of another question you said that through the CCA there's already a program encouraging foreign arts professionals to come here well that's the building on the Gold Card which we know that it fits certain use cases but not the most and so we're looking at how to improve the Gold Card program and so the website address is TCA that talks to that TW that's where the brainstorming is happening and then it's just going on right now so feel free to vote on each other's ideas and give your ideas and the ideas that resonate the most we'll have a face to face discussion and the M-Champ will take those to the webinar I say because we have so many artists that are actually they would love to know more about this it's not specific to artists I just read quite a few that pertains to designers and artists and they need a lot of musicians musicians also that's right but like this one pertains to long-term care workers and labors and say that we should copy Japan in which that where the domestic workers are at a significant shortage we should just for these trades we should separate for these and that's another idea there's many ideas so I just read a few pertaining to artists we need to get into all these conversations and understand what's going on because what's trending it's important to be a little more updated on that you are doing some very innovative stuff thank you yes we have this it's our monthly calendar and the course card that we just give to you if you have a space here you can share with people but if not it's okay but you can just keep those and spread the word it's a bi-monthly calendar so you have November and December there's actually a stamp here we can just put it here thank you thank you do you have time to show us the basics I actually do thank you