 6-0-3, I'd like to call the October 22nd to 2019 special meeting of the CBFiber Governing Board to order. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda? There's one thing- There's two. What's that? The two that I sent you. The two that you- oh, the two documents you mean? No, we need to have a motion on certain- allowing you to send in the application for the grant. My suggestion was, because I think that's part of the approved RFP, if we can just edit that approved RFP item to be approved RFP and EIG application, is that okay with everybody? Any public comments? Any comments on anything that's not on the agenda? Appointment of clerk. So you presumably all got the message that our clerk candidate said, thanks, though I posted it on Facebook jobs and actually got one applicant. I'm not sure if this person is expecting that this is a paid, like, salaried, full-time sort of thing, but this person lives in Winooski, which could work. I've not reached out to the candidate. I've not reached out to anybody and I've not heard anything one way or the other of other people who are interested. Yeah. You're not going to get anybody to do all that without some kind of payment. Yeah. And maybe that's what we need to decide to do here. Can I ask for a strong vote here about how many people around the table here are being paid by their towns to be here for all you long, long years? There's no one here. Andy, that you? Yes, it is. Okay. You're just starting a meeting and you're on speakerphone. But you're not going to get anybody to do what you're asking for on a volunteer basis. Well, we managed to get a treasurer anyways. So really right now, the clerk's main job is to take notes and produce minutes. Right. Act as the registered agent for the Secretary of State. Right. Do you remember the woman who reached out to me from Williamstown about five months ago said she wanted to get involved? She called me on the phone. I may have her name written down somewhere. I still have. Do you want me to reach out to her? Yeah. All right. I also posted it on front page four. Okay. So I'll reach out to her tomorrow. So I think you're still right though. And I think moving forward, we need to strongly consider paying someone an hourly stipend to produce the minutes. It doesn't end up being that much. We end up meeting once a month for three hours. And if we're paying them minimum wage or even better, let's pay them $15 an hour. $15 an hour and they take four or five hours to produce the minutes. Or if they've come to the meeting, they can produce them while they're sitting here. Or if we have the Orca recording, we can do that as well. I hesitate to give an hourly salary. Because our salaries have to, well, they don't have to. But you're thinking of benefits. I would prefer just to have a flat rate of we're offering you $3,000 for the next 12 months to take minutes at all our meetings. Produce them, send them out, whatever your requirements are. So we don't offer benefits to the people who take minutes for the town of Berlin at any level. She just sends us an inventory of the time that she spent. And we pay her, I think it's $15 an hour. With hourly until you cross a 32-hour week threshold, you don't have to worry about benefits. You're the treasurer, but you're a volunteer, right? But I just think the clerk, whatever that responsibility is, a big one. She compensated. So the alternative is one of you becomes the clerk in name. And we hire somebody just to take minutes, which is really the time-consuming portion. I've never raised my hand to volunteer. We talked before about also getting minutes for the business development committee. And so we want to make sure that that's included in your estimate of the time. Any other thoughts about this? I mean, we are currently, because we haven't changed anything, Becca is still arguably the clerk. She's not going to be here taking minutes, though. I'm going to do my best. Most of what we're doing tonight is going to be an executive session. I suspect. But thoughts, feelings, straw poll? I have a question. Yeah, for everyone in general. If we decide on a relatively simple and efficient template, would the group be opposed to just revolving that task by meeting? And if you're on a committee, then it would revolve within the members of the committee. The right template provided in word where you're going to have to have some electronic or populate that later. But I've used that in the past with success. It's not too laborious. At times, if a discussion goes real fast, you've got to slow it down and ask people to clarify and go back just so you can get it in there. And the other thing is that statute only requires us to essentially document the motions and the outcomes of those motions. The minutes that Becca was taking and the minutes that we paid for at the town of Berlin are much more detailed. And frankly, we probably don't need to go through the detail that we are currently going through, especially given that there is some wonderful videography going on at every one of our meetings. And if anybody wants to know what actually happened during the meeting, they can simply refer to the actual record, actual video record of it. So if we can rotate through and people can just keep track of the high points, we can maybe not even have to worry about paying somebody to do this. I think that's a great idea. I've got a few working. I actually was holding up because I was figuring I would just start this meeting at least trying to get some of this stuff down. Lighten up, but I've got a variety of templates that are broken down in a way that's pretty easy to follow. And inevitably when things get into a long discussion about potential actions or not, the two beautiful words that make a lot of the meeting, minutes very easy to take for that kind of thing is discussion in suit. Especially if nothing was decided upon, it doesn't all have to be captured. But the beautiful thing is that if somebody is interested in what that discussion is, they can still always go back to the video. I don't think you need to detail that. If we're just capturing the emotions and all that, I think in good shape, especially with that. If you're going to set the agenda also, those become the bullet points for the sections of what gets recorded in the minutes. Just like that. It essentially becomes just a chronological summary of... So we still need somebody to be clerk in name, if not in duty. Somebody who will have responsibility for... The Secretary of State. Dealing with the Secretary of State essentially. Well, he's one of my best friends, so I would be happy to volunteer for that. Okay. Susan Martin Woodbury. So I'm going to move that we appoint Susan Martin of Woodbury to be the CB fiber clerk. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. We have unanimously appointed you, Susan. Thank you very much for stepping up. And Nathan, it looks like you're going to be doing some minutes this time around. And then if we can drag Jim into a meeting, we can appoint him to be the clerk, too. I'm sure he does everything better going on. And then he can liaise with himself. That would be a perceived conflict of interest. Perhaps. All right. And then maybe what we'll do is we can just figure out the round robin for our next meeting. If you want to send it out to everybody on the mailing list then. Sure. A copy of one of your templates and we'll go from there. We are... I think we're not going to be able to approve the July, August, and September meeting minutes because Becca still has them. Becca's not... I'm sorry, who has them? Becca, our previous clerk. Oh, okay. Becca Schrader has them. And she has not sent them to me yet. So she was going to be handing those off to our new clerk. But I guess what we can do then is I'll have her just send them to all of us. We can all look at them. So arguably, Susan, you would be responsible for those records. But we'll all have a copy anyways. And we will hopefully be putting those on the website. And that will be less of a... Less of a personal responsibility I haven't done. Anything else about appointments to clerk? Okay, we are ahead of schedule then. We want to leave open front porch forum advertisements so that somebody does come along. Yes, that would be wonderful. And I hope you wouldn't feel bad if somebody does step up and want to take on that responsibility. No, of course not. Do you still want me to do that? Your name is Marie? Yes, okay. Yes, please do that. I'm just hoping that everybody around here has put something on front porch forum or the town's Facebook page or something. I know I have. Looking for the clerk. Looking for endorsement. You know, endorsement. I've gotten my select board chair to sign the paper. I'm ready to pop it in the mail. And I have petitions at the town clerk's office as well as the east college general store. Thanks. Alrighty. So next thing, possible executive session to discuss non-public records. Phil, we talked about this a little bit. Do you want to kind of go through your thought process? Yes. Yeah, I had spoken to Jeremy about having the executive session at this meeting, because as we look at the law, kind of to me, it all leads up to the RFP. But there's definitely some issues around strategy, not so much the other two items, budget and no report. Strategy issues, which I think are really sensitive and are kind of trade secrets, if you will, that we shouldn't have in the public record because it actually puts us at an unfair disadvantage should that information leak out as to what our strategy is. So I actually reached out to Jim Barlow, who was on the board, but is still on the policy committee and asked for his thoughts about that. And his sense was that we could be within the law to actually have discussion in executive session as long as the discussion we were having basically was tied to that RFP. So I mean, clearly, once we vote on approving that, that is going to become a matter of public record. But all of our thought process and about strategy is not. It's protected, and we're not laying out all of our strategy to those who might compete against us. And it may not matter, but that was my thought. Okay. And we went back and forth a little. Yeah, so my thought is that the proper thing that we ought to do at this point is to find, with the majority vote, find that our strategy and the RFP at present are trade secrets and that premature public disclosure of those documents would put us at a disadvantage. Once we find that, then we can go into executive session to discuss just those. Once we've had our discussion, we can come back out then and look at approving the strategy, the draft budget and the annual report, neither of which are trade secrets, and then approve the RFP as well. Thoughts, one way or the other before we start moving forward with that? Okay. Makes sense. Okay. So I'm going to move to find that our strategy documents and the RFP are trade secrets and not subject to public records. I'll second that. Okay. Any discussion about that? Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? One abstention? Okay. So that was unanimous with the exception of one abstention. And now what we will do is we will enter executive session to discuss records that are not subject to public disclosure. So I'll move. Okay. Motion. So moved by Phil, seconded by me. Any further discussion of this? Hearing none, all in favor? It was just the strategy. The final output you purchased in there. Okay. Here's the budget. I had to include the 2019 expected under grants. I did not include the Cabot grant or the $500 grant that we got. That's still ready for us to ask for reimbursement at any point. I did include the, so the formula is $25,000 from USDA, $12,500 arguably from I think the amount of invasions grant and $500 from Cabot. I have about $7,500 in philanthropic donations. The 2020 budget has, let me make this a bit bigger. But in order to get the $400,000 match for Vita, I'm guessing that we're going to do a smallish portion of that in philanthropic donations. Hopefully we'll get some help doing that. $350,000 in promissory notes. Loans from people. This is the $60,000 of the Broadband Innovation Grant. This is the Vita loan. This is the calendar year. This is the calendar year 2020. Yeah. January is our fiscal year and calendar years are the same. 2020 budget. Capital expenditures. This is something that we sort of spitballed last meeting. Happy to adjust that. $500,000 with $12,500 of debt service. Thank you for identifying that that wasn't being added in there. Michael, I properly did the summation so that is accounted for correctly. Stop me if anything needs to change. I will send this out to all the town clerks and make sure that the select boards get it. External business development services, including business plan consulting. $60,000, which just happens to be the same as the Broadband Innovation Grant. $5,000 accounting bank fees audits. We will have to have an audit because we will, we have money now. As soon as it's going to be required as part of the Broadband Innovation Grant, it will also be required ongoing as part of USDA. Insurance. Is it going to be audited? That's it. In 2020, it will be an audit of 2019. Right. I think we can get it done for less than that. Probably. Is that $2,000 in insurance? Is that based off on how we are now or what you're predicting we're going to be at that point in time? Because I mean, you saw the insurance. Yeah, I just quoted it less than that. I'm not sure. Do we need to have insurance here at all for fiscal year 2020? Probably not. Am I hearing probably not from everyone else too? Okay. Solved. Office supplies here, $850. P.O. Box printing. I mean, I think that may be a bit high, but we'll see. Legal. I suspect we will need somebody to be reviewing our contract. We'll need somebody to be reviewing loan agreements and such. Advertising. Michael suggested that I post this up to $2,000. I think it was at $750 or something before. I suggested $5,000. You decide on two. Okay. I think, well, I was just copying it out of your email. The last email you sent me, you said two. So I put two on it. That was an accident if I did type two. Okay. Advertising or? 10. I don't know. No, advertising is two. I think two is reasonable. What are we going to advertise? Of course, form. The world. If we need more. T-shirts. T-shirts. I was imagining some serious advertising. So could be loan signs as we're trying to get people to sign up. Presubscriptions. They could be brochures. They could be door hangers. Five? I mean, it's all sort of funny money. Five. I'm convinced. So, survey. Not spending any money on the survey next time around. Or are we from the USDA? We'll be in some of the bands. Yeah, I don't think so. Okay. I mean, I'm spending $3,000 for the survey, which I think is the amount the USDA supposed, does that seem like, are we going to be done with the survey by the end of the year? Maybe I'll ask that. Probably not. But actually, I mean, are you spending the consultants money in this expenditure side? This is, we're spending grant money, and we're spending loan money. But does that come under the operations? That's what I wanted to know. The consultant part. External business development services. It's all 60 grams right there. So, we haven't spent anything from the USDA yet. You might have put more into the next year from the USDA. Probably. Yeah. So, where do I put that? So, typically, it's a miscellaneous box. I'm not seeing money from the software, for example, for $50 a month, whatever that would be. So, I cannot, in good conscience, as a municipal official, create a miscellaneous line item. You get rate of other calls for that. Obviously, external business development services. Okay. To what? 75. 75? What about the legal and advertising? Can any of that be spent out of USDA money? Not really. Not with the line items that we have. I mean, one of the things you could do with some of this money that I've written on is public meetings and have them advertise public meetings. I don't know if that fits that category or not. I mean, you don't usually need to do that unless you're advertising positions. Put a line in for software. Okay. How much? Where does the little green light? 600 bucks for this box a month. We had that as, I think I had that under office supplies tentatively. I think three, and it's being about $350 a year. I had this as, here, let's do this back to you. Instead of playing. $500 software, the little green light was, I'm sorry. Was it $350? $360 a year. So, what other software do we need, Michael? Well, it was controversial the last time we talked about it, but there's demand aggregation software, there's mapping software, there's whole tracking software, and the question was, does it go as part of the consultant's budget or whether we spend some... Right. So, this budget is for the towns. This is for us to communicate back to the towns and say, hey, this is what we're doing, this is what we're going to try to abide by. What we sent last year was based on a very different plan. It would be very quickly shifted and change kind of strategic goals quite a bit. So, if you think that we're going to be spending $1,000, $2,000 on software, and everybody else here doesn't scream back at you or generally nonce, then let's do it. What do you think? I think much more, but I don't know if we're all going to agree on that. And the thing is, whatever you put in there, it's going to be different next year when we look back. So, through all what you think you're going to want for demand aggregation, everybody talks about it for 30 seconds or a minute, and we put it in or don't put it in. It's really not that important at this point. $60,000 to $10,000. And so, you want to tell everybody again what demand aggregation does for us and why we should spend $60,000 to $10,000? Sure. It's a multi-step process that includes a form of a survey, but not like we're doing now, at a website and a sign-up and a sales platform. And I'm speaking in general terms and I can get specific again in a minute. And a final determinant as to where to build first in terms of community support. So, there are multiple companies that do this. How many people have already heard me talk about this before? Andy, go ahead. No, that's fine. Andy, go ahead. Please. This is an example where we get too much into the wings without enough information and I just don't think, you know, short of, you know, having the hours working out there, getting this feasibility, you know, information where we can provide some structures, getting into the weeds and kind of operational buys like this that are hypothetical, it's a waste of time to me. And I also think it's us doing the wrong thing. Like, you know, great, we're going to have a consultant or an operating partner somewhere that's going to use proper tools, but we as board members aren't. I'm going to take a picture of the information we have. Thanks for that, Andy. So, do you think we as a board are going to buy demand aggregation software? No. No, because that's what we discussed before. Okay. So, let's leave it. Well, I want to raise that. So, it's incumbent on us to get the subscribers, not the consultant. The consultant will give us, here's kind of the averages. This is the history. It's up to us to get the subscribers. How do we do that? Who's getting the subscribers now for us? E.B. Fiber. The other one. Easy. They're operating the subscription. That's who I expect you to be. The subscribers. I think E.C. Fiber gets the subscribers. Especially in the early... It just performs the network functions and manages it all. But I think that E.C. Fiber's got his own website and they're the ones that gather the subscribers. This is a branded site that runs by Bellena. That E.C. Fiber does not have a marketing department. They don't have a sales floor or a stable. They're not the ones doing that. Okay, so what I did so that we can put a punctuation mark at the end of this, I put $5,000 on there so that if we do spend money on it, great. If we don't, then we come in under budget. Everybody celebrates. Okay. That's what I was going to recommend. There you go. Jeremy, one question. Yeah. So you get $4 million down for a loan. Mm-hmm. And what we'll be getting if we get it is a line of credit, right? Mm-hmm. Do we reflect $4 million here? Yeah. We're going to spend, we're going to get a million the first year, a million the second year. I don't look at this as a line of credit. When we put in for that loan, that loan is for a very specific build project. Which we draw down on and pay interest on as we draw it down. Yeah. Not a total number. So we're actually going to be spending it over a period of time. You're not spending it here the first year at all. Okay. I don't really answer the question. I'm not an accountant. We do have one at the table. So if we have a line of credit and we only tap into $550,000 of it, do we put it on our revenues as $550,000 or do we put it on as the whole amount? Can we put it in revenues? No, it wouldn't be in revenues. It's a liability. It just moves on a balance sheet. Okay. Where do I put it in this draft budget so that some of that can head to a town and they're going to see and understand what's going on? I think it would be appropriate to scale it down to the amount that we might expect we would draw within the next fiscal year. So in theory, right, if you only plug the number big enough to bring this proposed FY20 budget to zero, that'd be relatively in line with how a lot of other organizations... You might put an asterisk on loans and just say, you know, with $1 million up there and down below, it says the entire loan, before million dollars, spend it over in years or something. I'd be happy to help draft a few footnotes to this if you want that are relatively digestible for a non-financial professional. Okay. So, yeah, we will have an open public hearing for all of the officials of the member towns if they choose to come to ask questions of this and to provide us with feedback as required by statute and we can include that there too. Do you think it makes sense for me just to put a million dollars and a little footnote here saying the entire loan amount is four million but we're only drawing down a million theoretically next year? I think you could put something of that effect in the footnote. I wouldn't necessarily represent that you're going to draw on the additional funds more than what you've outlined in your expenditures category. Okay. So, I think we're really just going to draw to cover our expenses and we're not going to draw any extra because otherwise, you know, we're just paying interest on it. Okay. So, these two, the loans and the permitting, those match up. Mm-hmm. And then I will put a asterisk here. I'll do two. It kind of feels that way. You put an apostrophe before typing it. It'll force it. There you go. So, two. Pair and loan. Up to four million dollars. The entire loan will be four million dollars. Okay. Four hours. Four million dollars. Five million dollars. Sure. But this is our budget. We have to forecast. Okay. But we will only draw this amount. Twenty-twenty-two. Good. Super. Okay. Anything else? I think it's reached. The bottom line look like that. Not 346. 648. So we have a 348. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We okay with this? Mm-hmm. So I'm going to move that we approve the draft CV, CV Fiber Budget Twenty-Twenty as presented. I'll second it. Seconded by David. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? The extension is wonderful, thank you very much. The next thing is the... I know a report. I know a report, which... I'm happy to read over this. The first paragraph is essentially the same as last year's. I won't go over that. I'll go through, I say with some initial organizational hurdles out of the way, talk about the grants that we got, think about innovation, World Business Development Grant, talked about how a bunch of different folks from here and from other organizations worked with legislature to craft and pass age 513. Talked about us and the process of applying for the broadband innovation grant, the amount of 60,000 that will get us the feasibility study and business plan. I sent this all out to you earlier today, by the way. With the study and business plan completed, we hope to secure up to a $4 million loan. Up to you by the way. It's like, yep, it does say that there. But I don't put up to in a budget. So it's another component of the recent past, age 513. It's loaned by the start-up funds that let us build more than 100 miles of fiber and start connecting subscribers. I would suggest setting an approximate amount. Approximately 120. So we'll say approximately 100. How about that? That would be a bit conservative. And start connecting subscribers and start connecting subscribers as soon as spring 2021. Once we have three years of solid financials, we will pursue traditional municipal revenue bonds to continue expanding the network until all residents, businesses, and civic institutions in all 17 of our towns have the option to subscribe to fiber internet. Would we want to say to CV fiber? That's to subscribe to CV fiber. So, I did a copy edit of the whole document, which includes some of the things Greg's talking about. Okay, so given that we're approving this now. Well, you just gave it to us today. Yeah. So I ran through it. So what are your changes? Some of them are simply grammatical and spelling and things like that. But there's other things where we have agreed that we are, we're certainly going to use fiber, but we're technology neutral. And so this reads as only fiber. And so I changed a bunch of things to reflect that. So hold on one second. This is something that keeps coming back over and over and over. Mostly from you. I understand this. I have support from others who agree with that. It's not just me. I understand that, but is this something that we necessarily need to dwell on in this report? If it's being distributed to the communities, yes, I think so. Stroke hole, I mean, or any thoughts about that? I don't think so. I don't think people care how they have high-speed internet. I was just wondering why I described it as broadband and high-speed internet as opposed to fiber internet. Okay. But it's okay if you don't. But I thought we should be accurate. Let me ask you this. There's fiber that's going to go to the wireless, right? Excuse me? There'll be fiber going to the wireless disk. Of course. There's fiber internet. That sounds good to me. Okay. All right. Okay, so do you have that printed out, Mike? I can just transfer this directly to it. You could just look it over and see if any of this feels appropriate to you. So this is something I've taken to doing capitalizing central Vermont as the proper name for a region. I see that you did make that lower case. This is my habit. I don't know if anybody else has that habit or what state of care. The story count, it's not important. Don't go on there. Okay. It's a truly high-speed broadband. Okay. In many places, okay. So this was from last year. In many places, in central Vermont, in limited access, and in many places, non-wireless broadband service is monopolized by digital satellite. I'm going to leave that as capitalized. A little incentive. Incombitant providers are a little incentive for ability like that. Improve speeds or extend their networks. Internet is, I will argue, as a computer science professor, internet is always capitalized unless you're talking about an internet. Really? The internet is always capitalized. Geez, I just like you just kept saying that. But that is not the internet. I agree with you. But we don't need to quibble in public. Let's keep going. Access to the internet is capitalized. Yeah, so we can bust out the strunk and white. Just go on. Just go on. Let's see. Is this from one word or is it just word? Yeah, it is. What word? The spring. It wasn't your fault. To grab them past. Internet service providers. I'll relent on this one. Build fiber and other, okay. Build fiber. Internet. Build broadband, infrastructure, and locations where there are a few other options. Am I hearing anybody screaming in pain? We'll let us build. Build out approximately 100 miles of fiber and start committing to subscribers as soon as the second quarter of 2021. I think that's reasonable. Once we have three years of solid financial statements. Thank you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I, having helped draft a lot of time reports. This will be published in a bunch of time reports, right? Yes. This doesn't read to me like it's reading at an eighth grade reading level, which is what you should in order. Right, that's the standard. That is the standard. That is, if you want to make this accessible, if you want the public support for what we're doing, it needs to be accessible. This document needs to be represent equity and inclusiveness in order to draw in supporters and investors from every walk of life, regardless of, there are so many acronyms in here. There's so many, there's a lot of technical jargon, not to us, we're deep in it. But to those people who are reading this for the first time, who are maybe just moved to Vermont, whatever, this is very complicated. So can I? Are you volunteering? I am volunteering. Great. So what I'd like to do is I'd like to send this to the select boards. We will have our public hearing with the select boards, and let me work with you to simplify this so that we can distribute this to all of the towns, and all the towns can include this in there. I would like to help with that. I believe very strongly that this should be understandable by anyone. You say contact me or your town's delegate, and then you don't sign it. Yeah, I had the same question there. Who is me? Okay. You can do that. So I'd just say, we'll probably send it to Jeremy and Jair, and put your email address and phone number. Yeah, I didn't want to own this document. Everybody call you. Yeah, cut. Thank you for catching that, Ray. Is John Quinn an alternate from Duke Northfield? That's my knowledge. So he is, however, he no longer lives in Northfield. He moved to Berlin. Well, we're all lucky you. I don't know. He moved next to his mother-in-law. You could take Tom Lindsey from Woodbury office. I have one more suggested, change the last sentence of that paragraph you want if you scroll up. He says, we will be seeking. I would change that. We are seeking. Okay, so this is the up-to-date list, as I know from the communications of the select boards that I've heard from, I've not heard that Skip was removed. Okay, after you hear that, I'll let... Yeah, so if somebody from the select board can just communicate that, reflect on minutes or something like that. It's totally fine that you're here, because he's not, and you take his spot when he's not here. So let me make sure that we have everybody right. Barry City is Greg Kelly, Lucas Herring. Is that right? Yes. Barry Town is just you, Josh. No. Okay. Berlin is me and Jerry, and Nathan, I put you under Berlin, even though you're not technically a member, or a delegate, but you are the treasurer, so package you with us. Andy, so you and Seth and Cabot? Yeah, yep. Okay. David and Jared and Callis? Yep. Okay. Tom and Tom and East Montpelier? Yep. Okay. I've been forgetting to include him on the CC list, so I started that just today. I mentioned that, yeah. Yeah. Bob Burley and Kent Shaw, I've not heard from either of those guys in a bit, but I'll assume that they're still, they're still on the hook. Any, there's just you and Marshfield for now? We're still recruiting. It's all good. Phil and Lowry? Mm-hmm. Canadan? Yes. Okay. I think Ray, it's just you and Northfield. I'm happy to put John back on there, although... Since he's moved. Yeah, since, yeah, he lives over there now. Yeah. Probably one of the appropriated ones. Okay. Siobhan, she's the other one in orange. Michael and Jeremy. John in Roxbury. Did he resign though? Didn't he send out an email? He, I think he said he's happy to say the alternate but was not able to really ever come to the meetings until all of his school board stuff settles down. It's kind of like a legal map. I think technically Fran Covey on the Williamson Select Board is still technically an alternate. Unless you hear anything different, Frank Wilson. And I think Ron is all involved in the ATV business. I heard about that too. Skip and Susan, John and Alan. Is there anybody that I'm missing? This does remind me, when we asked Becca to be clerk first time around, didn't we ask her to no longer be delicate as well? Yep. She was no longer a delegate at that point. So if we just made Susan clerk, is there an issue with her also being an alternate? I don't think so. The treasurer could, it was because the treasurer couldn't be a member of the board that we had to act to do that. So why don't I be very alternate and we'll make you clerk? Because that just happened. Look at that. And that could be the clerk. Yes. Cool. If you want people to get in touch with us, wouldn't you want to put in our email addresses? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your select wards are town clerks now how to get a hold of you? I bet they don't. Because they appointed you? I'm not going to look. The town clerk may know me, but nobody else does. That might be an advantage. So do you want your contact information to be in the town report? Well, it's in the town report. That's the thing. If you want somebody from the town to get in touch with me, even my next door neighbor may not know my name. I would suggest that you don't want a whole list of email addresses in the town report, but that every one of us makes sure that the clerk knows how to get a hold of us and we could put you in and they would say, contact the clerk if you want to get a hold of me. Or in the town report. Put the email address. One of the things that often happens in town reports right at the beginning is that there's a list of elected and appointed officials with contact information for each of them. So I'm on, like, the Cemetery Commission for Berlin. My name shows up there. That's a good idea. Do I have the time? Yeah. Well, and so in Berlin, the delegates to CB5 are listed among the appointed officials in town. We have a link to the survey online. Why don't we put the link in here? Here we have three sentences talking to people. They want paper copies if they want to do this. Because this is our report, our statutory report to the select board. And, I mean... One of the important things you can do is to cover your constituents to complete the surveys. If you need paper copies, contact me. You're a delegate. Make sure you have some to hand out. Do you want me to create a hyperlink? Yeah. Just put the link in there. Or just put it www. Yeah. And make it a hyperlink. I'll put it in there at some point. I have the link handy right at the second. I'll put it in there. So everybody okay with this? Yep. Yep. I'm going to move that we approve this with all of the changes and contributions that everybody made today. Sounds good. Okay. Seconded. And any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstaining? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Okay, so our next agenda item we don't really have a strategy like a strategy document to approve. We did the drop budget annual report. The RFP. I would like to go from there. Thank you very much. Any promotion? We approve the RFP? Okay. So. Any proposal? Subject to non-technical, non-substantive edits. Yeah. Okay. So I will second that, but I would like to, not that Robertsville's really allows for friendly amendments. So I'm just going to go over you, Mr. Parliamentarian here. And I would ask that you, so we, so both approving the RFP and we said at the beginning that we also wanted to approve the application for the broadband innovation grant that goes with that RFP and that you authorize me to sign that on behalf of the board. I make that. Okay. Add it to my head. Okay. And I will re-second that. Any further discussion? All right. I want to make sure that we understand that it is subject to non-substantive edits. Yeah, subject to non-substantive edits, but that you're also approving the application to the broadband innovation grants and allowing me to sign on behalf of the board on that. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Yep. Any? Yeah. So just to clarify, we're voting to approve to delegate authority to Jeremy to sign RFP and the grant application. Correct? Correct. Yep. I'm only concerned that I have the one specific issue with the RFP approval process. It's pretty important to me that we're pretty explicit that the board has, it's going to be the full board that's going to approve for whatever wins the RFP. Yeah. I think we had pretty much consensus on that, Andy. Then I'm good. Okay. We changed it. Yeah, we did. Okay. So I heard a whole bunch of ayes. Andy, can I assume that you're an aye on that one? Yep. Great. All right. All opposed? Abstentions? Okay. Motion passes unanimously then. No, one abstention. The one abstention or your alternate if you're recusing yourself. Okay, that's fine. Aye. Okay. So if you could make sure that the record shows that Michael Berenbaum of Plainfield recused himself from that vote and his alternate Jeremy Matt voted in his stead. Got it. Thank you. Is that weird enough if I could, though? All right. I have not received the minutes from Becca yet for July, August, and September. Soon, hopefully. Maybe. Not even required legally to approve any minutes. No municipalities. They just need to be posted. Yes. But we still need to post them. So, let's move on. Roundtable, you want to start us off? Yeah. Josh? I'm good. David? I'm exhausted. We did good tonight. Yeah. I had a lot of fun getting to know Jerome. You're supposed to turn the camera on yourself. You too? I had fun getting to know Michael. He had phoned, I'm sorry. We're pleased with the progress that we've made tonight. I think it's important to keep in mind that we ensure that all of our documents, everything that we do is both public but also accessible according to every meaning of that work. I was notified by a few members of the Central Month Public Safety Authority that they're going to put out an RFP to better understand the radio network and both that is connected to the fiber and that which is not. And they would appreciate having their work kind of blend in or be made aware of in terms of the CV fiber network. Okay. Do they have anything concrete that they can ask for? Well, they're developing the RFP now. In one of the elements of the RFP I added a thing about opportunities of programming. I quit the Central Month Public Safety Authority in there. Excellent. I said I just hope I don't disappoint you. I'm going to do my best. Thank you. I'm good. All set? Pass. I'm good, thanks. We discussed the last meeting, starting to meet every two weeks instead of monthly. And I think that's great. All the interesting things you may have to discuss over the next few months, but we may want to start planning them more than two weeks in advance to do that. Fortunately, it could make it this week, but it may not be able to do that in the future. Okay. Our next meeting is scheduled for November 12th, which is our regular meeting. Do we want to then schedule something before Tuesday November 26th? When is Thanksgiving? It's late this year. You can always cancel it. I think that's a good idea. As long as we're sticking to each meeting, we no longer have two hours. That's our goal, right? So these meetings aren't going off for three plus hours. We can block it and always cancel it. I want to encourage everybody, too, that we can have more, if there's more than one person dialing in that wants to connect remotely, I can set up something like a go-to meeting or a WebEx or things like that, and we can do some screen sharing remotely if that's something that you have bandwidth at home to handle. But if you just want to voice dial in, that's something that is feasible. I know that's not ideal because you don't get to see everybody's faces in one hour. It's kind of nice we just have a look at Andy. Now that your battery's dead. If we stick to that two-week cycle, this does land two days before Thanksgiving and the next one would be one day before Christmas. So this also brings up another question, too. There are other holidays, there are other religions in the world who have holidays, and so, for example, our previous meeting fell on a holy day, and we didn't even have the niceness to ask whether that conflicted for anybody. So I think if we just keep going with two weeks and if it causes a problem for anybody, let us know as far in advance as you can. So if you're saying that Tuesday the 24th doesn't work for you... Doesn't work. Doesn't work. I don't think it's going to work. Okay, you say so. We have spouses probably. I have young kids, so arguably there's something to do with that, right? Okay, but for now though, the 12th, and let's talk about the 26th then. I'll get this location for the 26th preemptively, recognizing that Thanksgiving is indeed the 28th. If we get our RFP, our proposals back with the RFP, we may be meeting on 17th. We may be meeting on some other day so that we can specifically tackle that. And I think then, since we're not going to meet the day before Christmas, that we should meet two weeks after the November, just before... Okay, so 10th and 17th. 10th would be our regular meeting, right? And then 17th? Yeah. Can you create a shared Google Calendar or something? You certainly can, John. You signed me up for three things tonight. Or just put it on our next agenda. So what I'll do is I can put it on... If you want, I can just put it on our next agenda as like next meetings, and show the next three or four meetings. And I'm happy to do that. I'm happy to create a shared Google Calendar. We could also have the subcommittees meetings and all that. All right, you can use your native calendar up on your phone and just port that down. Jeremy, can I have another one? Of course. Thank you. First of all, on the topic of meetings, I'm going to just put my opinion in. I would rather have one three-hour meeting in a month than two two-hour meetings. But be that as it may, we're going to do this for a while and we'll see how it goes. The other thing I wanted to mention was you might be interested in CUD progress elsewhere. Looks like there's probably going to be two to three CUDs being formed in the Northeast Kingdom. And one in LaMoyle County, perhaps. I was invited to present to a bunch of LaMoyle towns. I think it's next week. I think it's next week or two weeks from now. And one of the towns that's being invited is Elmore. Just so we all know that there's a possibility that Elmore might more naturally work online with them if they do it. Of course, they'd have to start from scratch again. And I guess that's all. Just wanted you to know there's other stuff happening. Thank you. Thank you. You just throw that hand grenade in. Don't worry about it. Good. Okay. I think that we adjourned. Hold on. Oh, I'm sorry. Nathan, do you have anything that you'd like to add? No. No? Okay. Yeah, I think anything I add has already been covered. But I did want to bring up just looking at the back burner issues. But I think as we're starting to now apply for grants and looking at serious funding, that it's time for Moretown and who is the other one? Washington. Washington. To make a decision. So I've not heard back from Washington. I haven't reached out to them as much. I have a meeting with the Moretown Select Board on Monday, November 4th. I am on their agenda. I will be talking to them. And we will know definitively. And if they're going to sit and waffle and wait, I'm going to say, we got to go. And so they can choose or not choose at that point. And with that, I will move to adjourn. Second. Second. All in favor? Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you.