 Before we get into the video today, I just want to give a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, Nostik TV. Nostik TV is ancient wisdom reimagined. This is a Netflix for those who are spiritually curious and want a place to go where there is no censorship. I personally am doing a whole series on Nostik TV called The Esoteric Explorer where I am providing exclusive content to Nostik. Nostik TV is a host to all sorts of different content creators, many of whom are your old favorites. If you would like to check out Nostik TV, there is a link down in the description box below. Hello everybody, welcome back to Esoteric Atlanta. Of course, my name is Bryce. I am so so so excited about the episode that we have for you guys today. Just a quick little introduction before we get into the episode. I know I have picked up quite a few subscribers since then. I just want to make sure that our new subscribers feel welcome to the channel and know what is going on. Again, my name is Bryce. This channel, Esoteric Atlanta, is a channel that is dedicated to researching the wacky and the weird of the world, including historical events and folklore and legends. We also look at current events as well. What I typically tend to do is look for patterns in these stories that show us more information about the controllers of their world and their alleged plans for humanity. For the new subscribers, I'm not predominantly just a son of Sam at Channel. In fact, I cover so many different stories, so many different deep dives, but I am super super super excited that you're here. I cannot wait to hear everybody's thoughts and opinions down in the comment section below at the end of this episode. Now for our new subscribers here on the channel, the reason why I came across the son of Sam Conspiracy was because of my late friend, Doug Cramer. Doug Cramer mysteriously, in my opinion, mysteriously passed away in December of 2023. His body was found on December 11th of 2023. In my opinion, his passing is a little bit strange. Not going to lie, but that's an episode for a different day. Nonetheless, I feel like my karmic duty as his friend is to continue to share his research and his work, and that is how I stumbled across the whole son of Sam Conspiracy and the moratory work. For those who don't know, Doug Cramer was an ex-scientologist who after he came out of the Scientology cult, he decided to figure out how L. Ron Hubbard was able to dupe him and dupe so many people, and that led him down, of course, you don't have to dig too deeply to find L. Ron Hubbard's connection to Jack Parson, Aleister Crowley, all that kind of stuff, and of course that leads you to more information about son of Sam, Charles Manson, the process church, all that good stuff, and so that's why we're here today. And I'm so excited about this guest because this guest has a plethora of knowledge. One of the cool things about this guest today is that he is actually from New York, and I've said this so many times, especially in Aquarius Rising Africa, there's a lot of local color to these stories. Any story like the son of Sam anywhere in the world is going to have a lot of references to things that someone who's not from New York is not going to know. I'm from Atlanta. There are just some things that I'm not going to pick up on with this case, and that's what's really cool about Mike is that he is from New York. And so he has a different level of understanding than maybe I or Catherine Wood or even Doug Wood because Doug was from California. So he'll be on with us today. I do want to address the comment section as always. We encourage everybody to have a who has a different opinion than the host or the guest to leave your thoughts and opinions down below. However, it's quite sad and heartbreaking that we've gotten to this place in our cultural society. We've devolved so much that we don't know how to debate respectfully anymore. And on this channel that is compulsory. It is mandatory. You have to debate respectfully on this channel. Again, it is totally fine to have a different opinion. It is totally fine to not agree with the host or the guest or any of the people commenting in the comment section. However, you have to debate respectfully. No name calling. No projection of violence onto myself or my guest or any of the people in the comment section. If that happens, you will be blocked from this channel. We don't play those games on this channel. Okay, you have to remember that people's opinions are not them as people. So when you are debating an opinion, you're not debating the integrity of the person. You're debating an opinion. Opinions are not people. They're just opinions and most opinions evolve and change over time. So remember that when you are respectfully giving your criticism or respectfully giving your opinion, if it's different from somebody else, just please be respectful and speak to that person the way that you would want to be spoken to. That's probably been one of the most shocking things. Being a YouTuber, to be honest, where I'm from, men don't speak to women the way that most men speak to women in the comment section of YouTube. And it is horrifying to me. I'm like, how were you raised? So let's just go back to having respectful manners. We are all human beings on this planet. It is no skin off my back. I'm open. I'm just looking for the truth. And when you're open to look for the truth, you're open to hearing all sides. You know, according to the official narrative, David Berkowitz is, he's the guy. He's the lone guy. That's the official narrative. Is he the lone guy? Maybe. I don't think so in my opinion. The evidence in my opinion doesn't point to that. But if you believe David Berkowitz is the lone guy, that's awesome. That's great. That's your opinion. You are totally entitled to your opinions. And you're absolutely welcome to be here with that different opinion. But again, you cannot name call. You cannot name call. You cannot go from saying that you have a different opinion and then go to try to diss or insult people. By the way, they look. I mean, I've seen that. It's disgusting. We're not going to do that here on this channel. We're going to be respectful to each other. We all deserve respect. We're all just simply by being human beings and breathing we deserve to be spoken to with respect. And so, again, absolutely, totally fine. You're totally welcome to have a different opinion. It's no skin off my back. What you believe when it comes to this case, we're just talking about all the different theories and what Maury Terry found and what our opinions are on this case and how that affects us with the world at large. With that being said, I just want to reiterate too that anything we discuss on this channel with this case is our opinions. They're not facts. They're just interesting information that we have evidence that Maury Terry uncovered that Doug uncovered. That's where I've gotten most of my information from is from Doug's research that make you kind of scratch your head and go some name right here, right? Like it's some stings and Denmark, right? It's something's not right. And so that's all we're doing is we're just contemplating our different opinions on this case and our different ideas as to why this case has garnered so much conspiracy around it. So no one's accusing anybody of anything. We're literally just looking and giving our own opinions to the evidence, all right? This is strictly our opinions only. So please make sure as always that you do your own research if this information is fascinating to you. If you're someone like me that stumbled upon this information, we're like, oh my God, this is so fascinating. I would highly suggest reading Maury Terry's book, diving down your own rabbit hole. So you have that autonomy to have your own thoughts and your own opinions around the subject. So with that being said, guys, all of Doug's channel series, my mind's got his channel, Days But Not Confused. Doug's channel will be down in the description box below so you can go check out Doug's work. I'm also going to be putting links to Rocker Mike's work, his many, many years of work on the Son of San Case down in the description box below as well. And if you're new to this channel and you like the Son of San stuff and that's why you subscribe, I'm so excited you're here. I can't wait to get to know you. I will also put another playlist that I have down called Conspiracies. I've been covering weird stories for about four years now. I have tons and tons and tons of videos over different cases from our history, some of our current event cases, as well as folklore and legends and trying to figure out where these stories come from. So if this is something that you enjoy, I'm going to put all that down in the description box to see you can go back and look at some of the older episodes so that you can have a happy hunting as you go and try to do your own deep dives into these weird and wacky stories and hopefully the more we understand the patterning of the powers that be in the controllers of the world, the more we are, the better educated we are to make appropriate decisions in our own lives and to not be so ruled by fear because that's what they do, right? They try to scare us and we go into that low vibration of fear and then they got control over us when we can understand the game that they're playing, we know how they're playing their game, then we can take our power back in my opinion. So with that being said, buckle up guys. I'm so excited about this episode. Thank you so much for being here. Share this episode if you think you like it and you want your friends to watch it. I would be very, very grateful to you for that, but buckle up. Let's get into it. Let's start the show. It's also true that the process church grew. Members began to create new offset factions of the movement. Again, they splinter off just like this is a splinter from Scientology, which is where Mori Terry's theory about the children came from, though the connection remains difficult to prove. The so-called processians also denied any connection to the Manson family, despite the fact that many people believe Manson was influenced by the process as Netflix's Sons of Samma dissented to darkness portrays. He definitely was influenced by the process and we'll be getting into that. Process Magazine editor, Malachi McCormick, explained how the Manson rumor got started. According to Art Forum, McCormick claimed that the Church of Scientology spread the rumor because according to McCormick, quote, McLean and DeGrimson had stolen the tech, the emeter, and were considered apostates by Hubbard. The rumors hurt the movement, which declined in popularity after the Manson murders. If what McCormick claims is true, in this way at least, the process never did manage to escape its Scientology roots. I don't think that that's quite accurate because Scientology would be taking one hell of a chance by trying to discredit them in that fashion. But here's an internal memo. You might find this interesting about, let me just say something real quick. They had to put out so many fires because of this process church because they were not only being linked to Manson, but as you see, David Berkowitz, and you'll understand why as we go, but they fair game Mori Terry set up a whole fair game campaign against him. He's the one that wrote this book. Let me grab it. This book is called The Ultimate Evil, The Search for the Sons of Sam, and it's kind of a huge book and it's a hell of a fascinating read. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Esoteric Atlanta. I'm here co-hosting today with my friend, Catherine Edwards, and we've got our new friend, Rocker Mike on the show today. I'm so excited about this episode. First of all, how are you guys doing on this lovely Friday morning? Our Friday morning for Mike and me, not for Catherine, but... Very good. Thank you, Bryce, for having me. Yeah, and I'm really looking forward to this three-way conversation because different perspectives always open up something new, and that's what we're looking for. Yeah, and you guys, I'm putting all of Mike's links down in the description box below because, Mike, you've spent a lot of time in this Son of Sam case, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's always been something that I've been interested in since the actual time of Son of Sam in the mid-70s. I was a kid living through those times. I lived in Brooklyn in 77. And, you know, I remember how the city was gripped in fear. Pretty much everything you've heard is true. You know, people were looking for anybody who could be the Son of Sam, you know, even through crazy ideas. Oh, that guy looks weird. He could be the guy. You know, and then I read the book, The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry when it came out, I think right after I got out of high school, it came out like in 87. And it's always something that's been interesting to me. And back in 2019, I had started doing a podcast with a very popular bartender on the Lower East Side of Manhattan named Rob Barassi. He asked me to do a podcast with him and gave me my name, Rocker Mike, based on my musical knowledge. And it started with one show and developed into now four different shows, one of them being The Son of Sam Chronicles. And we, back in 2019, we started discussing it on a show called Conspiracy 420 that we still do.