 Come on. We be on fire. We be living. It's a unique hustle. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. It's a unique hustle. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Huh. Name another podcast. I love it. Check it, man. Check it, check it, check it, man. It's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely official Mr. Make-Up. Go on, go on. Hey, man. We got two special guests, man. Yeah, man. We got two special guests, man. Hey, man. We got OG Big Red. Right, man. Hey, man. And we got my boy A-Town Mike in the building, man. Yes, sir. Say, man. Say, man, what's up, man? I'm in ATL, man. We pulled up a little, you know, late y'all. Everybody was in Miami at the loud. What is that thing called? Rolling loud. Rolling loud. I pulled up and rolling loud and took a lot of the people and Tray Day in Houston. You know, Tray Day. You got Tray Day down. I'm like, man, worry about that. But then it still was going down. You know what I'm saying? This city don't sleep. It's like Vegas, right? That's right. Up on a night. Yeah. That's what he do. Up on a night with ATL Mike. So that's a good question. Like, so ATL Mike, how do a dude go out on a Tuesday night? Oh, man, Tuesday night is one of the longest running nights that I've been having going on with a bunch of members of my crew. Tracy Big Deal and Blue Flame Lounge. So Tuesday night in the city is like Blue Flame. Untouchable Tuesday. Blue Flame. Blue Flame, man. Bro, when I put up with Blue Flame, that was about, what, seven years ago? What? I'm going to check this thing out. You know what I'm talking about? And I pulled it up, man. You know what I'm saying? I got out. I was like, man, it's going down up in here. But I, you know, at first I thought, because I heard that these rappers made it so big, I thought when I got over there, it was going to be humongous to be honest with you. But it wasn't that big. But the vibe was right. The vibe was right. The vibe was right. But then I went back then, they said, what they said is now King of Diamonds? No. No. I'm talking about the V-Live. The V-Live changed the King of Diamonds. Yeah. So, so I was like, that was real. I had three floors in it. And I was like, I'm trying to figure it out. But my main thing was in old seven or eight when I was at Club Stroker's neighborhood. That was my spot. That's what you're saying? Yeah. You're saying, man, miss it, bro. I heard about Shorty Red on the track and everything when I was in the thing. I'm like, man, he knew. They jamming in here. And in the biggest thing that I liked about it, cause I was coming from Dallas, everything was dark. They had the damn lights on. I said, man, they got the lights on in here. That was crazy, man. They want you to see. I don't know. I don't know. Like we were used to the lights being off. Yeah. Ain't nobody. Yeah. We didn't know. I'm like, man, the lights on in here. That was a new world for me. Booty Club. You got to see something. Yeah. In the regular clubs, you just grind. You don't need to see. Yeah. You go to any regular club. You need to have them like load. Yeah. Booty Club. We got to have them have way for sure. Yeah. Magic City got them have way. They didn't have unless they changed. Cause that was about, that was about three, four years ago I went there. And it was darker in there. Yeah. Everything that changed though since the pandemic. You got to come out now though. Since seven years ago, blue flame and remodel. Wow. Magic City done did a little change inside. Wow. So it's going to be a different vibe for you when you come back in that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what? Okay. Let me tell you a little bit about how you came up on. I'm going to go to you next, but on your side of town, how you grew up as a young stuff in a town, man? See me, man, my name ain't a town. A town might. And I grew up around the city. Like I lived in so many, I moved around a lot growing up. I lived in so many sides of towns, all different zones. You know, and I experienced like a lot of different levels of growth and just size of town and how things go. I live, I'm from the East side. I spent a lot of time on the North side over there. Like Pufa Highway area. And there was a little area that was still like hood. Although Bucket and Lenox is up the corner, but there's still a little smart projects over here with Mexicans, blacks, Chinese, all type of people live up and come in, you know, on the rise people too. So yeah, man, it was a, it was diverse. You know what I'm saying? It was wonderful. You know what I'm saying? It was diverse growing up. I love that, that North side of town. Because it was like, you get to meet people that was not on the eastern line of that wasn't in the hood. They scared to come while I'm really far. But don't be for highway. You could mingle a little bit. You might catch JD studio around the corner over there while there was a lot of people on the rise in that area. And it really helped me build like relationships and character early and hustle for myself. Wow. Wow. That's dope, man. So, hey, OG Big Red, what happened, man? How you get that name? First of all, I want to know what, how did you get that name? That's a hell of a name to stand behind. Straight up. You got to stand on your tent tall with a name like OG Big Red. That's what I'm saying. So originally my name was Dirty Red. So everybody in the city know me as Dirty Red. It's like my rap days in front of the neighborhood. So I'm from 325 Monroe. Okay. Adamsville, right around the corner. Okay. So growing up, my name is Dirty Red. Edna Bailey was like, this little light skinned dude, we just go get dirty. So they call me Dirty Red. So that stuck as a kid, if I'm not saying so. We get a hold of, you know, I'm rapping, I'm doing my thing. I feel like that title didn't fit me no more. Because everybody didn't get it. Like everybody didn't get that. I wasn't no dirty person. They didn't get the story backdrop. Yeah. If I don't need the backdrop, you don't know. Exactly. I'll make it soon. So, you know, I started dipping into that with my nonprofit kids in the neighborhood. And one of the kids, one of the kids was like, man, you OG Big Red. And it was like, boom, that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. I represent the community. I represent the kids where I'm from. I represent escaping an environment that's hard to escape. You see what I'm saying? So that's what OG is supposed to do. Come back and teach you the way out. Yeah. Not show you some bullshit. Come back and teach your way out. Okay. The only way you know how to teach somebody is if you've been through some things. Oh, man. So tell them just to give us a little bit of background. Man, I don't know where to start. 3Dub. 3Dub. 3Dub. 3Dub. I grew up in one of the worst environments in the 80s in the 90s. Yeah. My mother and my dad was on crack cocaine. You feel what I'm saying? My mom was addicted to it all my life. Then she got convicted of armed robbery. Wow. When the prison for 20 years died in the cell after 13 years. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Three years she died in the cell. You feel me? I don't let be that. You know, me and my mom were doing time together. I was facing 30 years at one point. She in one prison. I'm over here. We writing letters. You feel me? Yeah, sure. So it's the time I'm taking my life away. My freedom away. But luckily, you know what I'm saying? Because I was in the street doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is. Luckily, I was smart enough to have some old years around. That told me what it takes to play this game. You know what I'm saying? It's like a whole lot of bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta have some money. You want to go home. You know what I'm saying? I had a little money to go home. It changed my life at that period. Yeah, yeah. It just totally made me be like, okay, I got my kids, my daughter, my son. So, okay, you got your daughter with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I can't be in prison. That's it. That's it. I can't do that. Man. I swapped it out. I had to swap it out. So, if I dirt it right, if I would you be great. Here we go. All right, man. Where was your dad doing all this time? So, pops wasn't gonna do. He just was struggling with things. So, my dad is, both of his brothers killed themselves when I was like eight, nine. I'm gonna jump off to it. If I got to it fast to get the junction. The other one shot itself in the head. My mom wasn't even correct. So, as a man now, I go through shit with my family and my kids, you know what I'm saying? I understand. Like, that's a lot to take on as a man. So, pops, you know, he did with him there with the drugs at first. Then he got a shit straight. But then he got a shit straight and then his health started to climb. So, him, and I was in the foster home growing up too. Wow. So, I was in the foster home from birth. So, until I was nine, I didn't really know my real one was my mama. You know what I'm saying? So, the crazy thing is they all died six months in the same year. In six months. Wow. Foster mama died first. Daddy died second. Then my mama died. It was back to back to back. Yeah. So, 2017 was hard. Wow. And I was right, that was hard. That's right, that was hard. And we always had this thing in common because me growing up, my mom was in prison too. Straight up. And you know, my mom used to write me in prison drawing them letters, had beautiful letters. I was like different from everybody in high school because you know what I'm saying? I was like somewhat of a foster kid too because I went from home to home. Every year my uncle took care of me. My mama, this person took care of me. Every family sibling that I got all raised me some point in my life. You feel me? So, like that goes back to being understanding like diversity and upbringing. Because you know, when you raised by one parent you're going to get that one's, you know how it is, but they won't do it this way. Grandma going to do it this way. Mama ain't having this. Sister ain't having this. You feel me? So, you got to respect multiple personalities of ways in life and just growing up. Just like my brother said, you know, having like foster mama not knowing, you know, we both had parents in prison. You feel my mama. You feel me? That was different growing up, you know, just having like day ones with you like that as you really want, but it made her stronger. It made you stronger. It made you stronger, but all the things that you've been through and then seeing your parents going through what they went through, how are you trying to change that trend and not have your kids fall the same trend? So how I'm trying to change that narrative, that's what Summer Safe come in. So Summer Safe, that's my non-partful organization with the kids. So we deal with any city youth and it started in my neighborhood that I'm from. Some of the people was getting killed and then every summer, like one of my childhood friends that got killed out there on his birthday last month, you feel what I'm saying? So long live Dirt Slip. So I feel like it was my duty because if I made it out and my mama didn't make it out, I got to go back over and get them something. I can't keep giving them destruction. And to me, my rap music was getting bringing on destruction. You know what I'm saying? So I packed up. How can I bring on inspiration? How can I do that instead of inspiration? Big fat man. And then it was like, one of my partners, LeBank here from 94.5, he's one of our business partners. He called me like, yo, I just seen the kids throw a school bus in your neighborhood. That way. Youth from over there, they respect you. Let's go over there and do something for the kids. And boom, it sparked from that one to this. You know, just doing everything for the love. Summer site. Summer site, yeah. You see, I like that because a lot of times people tend to want to do, make a change in the communities, but not being from the community or not anybody in the community knowing you, you go to the community and say, hey, stop the violence, stop it. They look at you like. You don't know what's going on. You don't know. Right. I got to feed my family. I got to do what I got to do. You know what I mean? Because you don't want the violence. You don't want kids getting innocently killed or you know, certain things happening. So it's like, how can you change that? Because the dope dealers or people who are doing the shooting or whatever, they're like, well, I got to do what I got to do. Exactly. So how are you putting money in my pocket to help my family? How are you going to show me a way out? And that's the thing. So we come in these neighborhoods, we got a program called give a kid an option program. Well, we got a financial literacy program, skilled building. I'm talking about. Yeah. You name it. Shoot film. Shoot film. Shoot film. I love that Haupt battle. Yeah, sure. The flip. Go ahead. Okay, but with doing that and giving them options, do you also bring in counselors counselors for the parents, because for the main fact that you're telling these kids that they can do that, but when they go back home, the parents say, I'm you ain't nothing. What you think? Because you think you're better than me, because a lot of parents feel like if their kids start to strive and doing better, that they're gonna feel like they're better than their parents, because their parents can't give them something that you as a stranger is allowing them to have, you know what I mean? And these kids look up to their parents more than maybe even you, all that peer pressure, their friends saying all sorts of stuff because he's went to juveniles and talked to them about when you get out, you have to kind of share your mind before you get out. Don't just say, when I get out, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And like I've told him, I said, let me tell you, you have these programs that go out and talk to these juvenile kids once a week or every day, but as soon as you finish that call, their homeboy called them and said, man, I got you when you get out. I got that this, I got that that. I'm gonna put this work in your hand. So you fight in all of that, you know what I mean? But how can you fight that? Yes, you're doing that positive for them, but you still need to educate those parents, talk to those parents or those influencers. Those are the ones you need to get on your team as well. That's real. Man, it's so real. I mean, what you were saying, Charleston White is the one that gave me the opportunity to go over there and talk to those kids. And he's one of the guys that I looked to and when I'm trying to help somebody because he bring a lot of kids, that's his thing that he does. I don't know if you guys have heard of him. Yeah, I follow him. But me and him, we rock out a lot of times and a lot of people see one side of him, but the side I deal with is the side where we always venture in to try to help them kids. And what we start to see is like you said, the parent, not just the parents, it's one guy we had to get out because we promised all these kids they would have somewhere to go when they came. They're guardian really, whoever their guardian is. Whoever their guardian is is his mother and the father passed away. He's a young kid that's locked up and then they come out and I'm looking at a chance and I'm like, I'm gonna say, man, this is gonna be great and let's give them some clothes and let's do this. Let's put them on a show. If they wanna wrap, let's give them. And he's like, man, we're gonna lose him. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I've been doing this for years, man. And he said the biggest thing is they're not having that support system. When they come home, the mother, one kid we just had, his mother and dad passed away and he's with his sister, his aunt. His older sister. Is this his aunt? His sister, that's older sister. And she really like going through, you can tell she has mental issues and she's fussing and mad and angry and she's still needing counseling herself as you was alluding to. And that's the stuff that you start dealing with when you're dealing with trying to help, really help. Because what I found in Charleston, and I hate to keep bringing him up, he's the type of dude that what happens is, he really out here trying to figure out a way to help. And so he engages in it strongly. Not come take pictures and say, we've done something. But really, he'll go back today, tomorrow, the next day. And see, that's what I'm saying. I'm there like that. And that's the difference. And then, so let me go back to your point with the parents. See, I feel like the kid's the seeds. So I'm getting the seeds before they grow. Parents are already grown, they're the trees. They don't like to listen. That's true. Nothing you don't want to do. But if I get these seeds, and I just show them a little something, boom, my water a little bit, boom. That tree gonna grow. That tree is growing already. Your tree already grown. But appearance can be either be the water or the poison. But no, that's what you got. That's what you got to grow, though. So you got to grow no more. Like, it's not gonna grow so far. It's gonna die every year and come back. But this tree is still growing. So feed this tree, it's like a computer. Man. You know what I'm saying? Don't, don't, don't. Things like that. No, no, no. What I'm about to say, I said- We're not disagreeing. I know, I know, I know. But what I'm saying is that don't think like that because as long as you have life, you can grow. I agree. I understand that some people are harder to change because they're stuck in their ways. Don't ever give up on anyone. It's easier to convert a child than it is for an adult. But like, even my mom, my mom is 70-some years old. And when she do certain things, I always say, you're not too old to change. Stop making it an excuse. Because, you know, they always say, oh, I'm too old to change. I can't, that's a lie. If I stay consistently on her, she will start to change because we as human beings, a lot of times we do things and don't see our own faults. But if you keep saying the person, keep telling them what their fault is, they will start to take awareness. Like example, maybe I don't even think I stutter because I don't hear it. But then somebody say, you know what you stutter? And then somebody else say, you stutter. So every time I'm talking, I'm listening to myself and I'm like, dang, I do stutter. I practice to try to change that. You know what I mean? You have to first be aware of what your faults are. Yeah, I think association brings about assimilation. That too. I think that you wouldn't like, like even Charleston, you say you follow, but a lot of times people tell them, they don't like him. I don't like him. And I don't want, you know, why are you around him? But they forget about the power of God. You see what I'm saying? And because if I know, if I'm around somebody, I'm a hustler, I come from the same thing. I've done some worser things. So I don't forget where I come from. And I know that God used me to lead somebody out of darkness. It don't matter who it is. It don't matter how many people are being influenced by whoever. It doesn't matter what happens is the goodness in me, the love in me, a cover of multitude of sins. And I know it's real. So I don't play with it. The power of God is more powerful than any man. Anything that you could ever do, anything that you're not bigger than God to me. So I feel like God can use me. He uses whoever he will to influence whoever he will. So I am that one that can help another. And I'm going to always be. All them brothers you've seen come through here today. The thing that God does with me, I'm just going to rock with you. And you're going to find my balance in the way that I carry myself is going to be influential to a positive change. I really know that. You see what I'm saying? That's how I feel. And I've seen it. So that's why. And then I've been in a trap. I got busted with keys of cocaine. You know what I mean? I understand what it is to face issues and face things in life. So who better? Yeah. And that's what I feel. Who better to tell the story? Who better to come out here? Who they going to listen to? Right. And even if they don't, I'm going to give it a hell of a shot. Because I did everything else to my fullest. I've never done it. I'm extremist. I'm either in or out. I'm either with you or against you. I ain't no in-between with me. You know what I'm saying? I'm either turned all the way up or I'm just turned all the way out. You say Charleston White was your boy? Yeah, yeah. He's the same way. I can tell. I see the vibe. He's the same way. You used to always tell me when you're growing up, you either how to do code or I'll never be in-between. That's right. And that's how I always lived my life. When I was in the street, I was fully in the street. I was saying, I used to always equate myself back then. Like I'm in this society, I was an old dog. The reason why, because an old dog, the only one that lived, if you pay attention to him because he knew who he was. Everybody else was juggling. Everybody was straddling the fence. Kane don't know what he wanted to do. Sharif over there hanging out, he was going to play football. Everybody there was unsure about Keele. Except for old dog. I like that. Because he was sure about who he was. I like, that's dope. They're real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that old dog stayed with Deep. Yeah, what I'm saying. A lot of people don't get that when they watch that movie. They don't get that. They get that old dog, no, no, no, no. He escaped the jail and all that other stuff because he knew who he was walking and who he was. So God bless them and who he was. And then he was- He didn't go to jail for murder. He didn't get killed. None of that, everybody around here got killed because they was walking and who they weren't. That's it. And I think that's dope. And he'll be the guy that changes and helps so many people. Come on, man. That's the one right there. That's the one. That's like me. I feel the same energy because they give up on you. You the one everybody talking about. They don't expect you to live past 20 or 25 years old. They say, you that boy, that's the one right there. Everybody in the neighborhood, the old folks look at you and they say, he the one, he ain't. And I was that guy. And now I'm the guy who they look at now and be like, we so proud of you. God put us through situations. You changed. As examples, you know what I mean? Because if you didn't go through those things, you wouldn't be able to touch some of these kids who because then if you've never been through, you know, been on the street or whatever and you don't tell a kid, man, you can't just do that. They're like, who are you? But when you tell them, man, I did time, I did this, I did that, they look at, okay, oh gee, what's up? You know what I mean? So it makes a difference. Yeah, you can relate. You really can relate. You not just most people trying to talk about them and I talk to them anyway. Most people not gonna go in the neighborhoods because they don't understand. When you've been in the neighborhood, that's why when I go wherever, if we go to Chicago, if we go to Vegas, if we go wherever, I'm trying to find out what a hood is. You sound like a hood cat. You know what I'm saying? He did it every time. Every time. Yeah, yeah, what a hood. That's what a problem is. You sound like, oh no, man, we going through the hood. That's right. That's why I'm people. They just calling it hood because there's a lot of people there. That's it. We ain't looking for no problem. We just actually wanna love our people. That's it. When you get older and you evolve, you like man, you know what I'm saying? I know what that mean now. This is a stigma, it's a stereotype. It's just something they saying just because it's us and it's people like me and you that basically can make the difference to help our people, man. Amen. Period. A hood, what does a hood do? Go up. That's it. It's just a bunch of people in the middle. You got a bunch of things in the engine. You got all this going on. It's just people in the meltdown together, but it always go up. Yeah, yeah. All the hood only goes up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So what's up with, when I come to Atlanta, I'm gonna tell you what the biggest stigma I was here and I wasn't around for the faith. So I'm not even gonna play with it. BMF, I hear about these guys. Wow. Yeah, I'm just telling you what I hear. You hear the stories, man. If you'd have been, you know, man, or you see it on the internet, man. That's how a guy in the mall wearing a T-shirt, BMS. Yeah. What is this? I mean, explain this. Jack Marvio family. No, no, I mean, just basically it seemed like a brotherhood. It seemed like, see, because people, let me tell you something, man. People will take something and they look at only the bad out of it. They won't even remember the good out of it. I'm being real. And I don't play those games. You know what I'm saying? I try to flip the narrative to say, you know, what came out of this good? What came out of this positive? Were anybody buying any bikes in the neighborhood? Was somebody helping any kids during that time in the neighborhood? You know they were, because our heart is like that. That's what we do. Think about that for a second. It don't matter what, even when I was hustling, I'm still going to take care of whoever the young boy is. And he ain't hustling. I'm just like, here, go get you this. So go do that. That's what we do, man. So where was those moments at when we talk about this BMF movement? All those moments was always. See what I'm saying? Now that's the part. There was like something that was just like second nature. That wasn't even, back then you couldn't televised. Back then there wasn't no phones. Like it was phones, but it wasn't on Instagram. But it was a billboard out there I heard about. Yeah. I feel like me being around it as well, because I'm from that era like, well, like the nightlife. I was a part of it. I've been in the nightlife business so long when I was a jit back then coming up. I was probably 17, 18, getting in the 21 and up clubs and those guys had the city on smash. And at the same time, what I feel like they did for the people was made them, us feel like we could all have this. They made us believe that you could be rich. Like you never had a Rosé Perrier bottle for. You never had one today. You never had, you never hear it, take it. Just this is like, they showed us if you really paid attention like, and then when Evie is a hater, you would have took that motivation as, but I can have it too. D-Boy's showing that this is obtainable. Like we ain't never seen niggas do nothing like this. That that one rapper using corporate money or some money that came that was owned by somebody else. You feel me? D-Boy was self made. And they were doing mega things that I'm some of the biggest rapper. Diddy, who owned, who you is in the club? And no boy came in, they don't, but did he just pump fake y'all with a name? I don't do that. But he might've, you know, him being him. Diddy got them bottles, sent to him. Them boys came in and bought all they bottles. They did all the honey bottles, every black man in the club, in a crew with a, no cups. We empowering, yo, that's saying that in a bottle, but it's just whatever we have, if I got it, you got it. And I liked it that. If you don't ride a lamb, somebody ride a BMW or something, we all got something. You feel me? Everybody can't have it. But they ain't nothing less than what everything about me. Good subject to talk about. Like, do you think that's also had an effect on what we're dealing with today, boys and what Atlanta developed into? Most definitely. You see where I'm coming from? Cause you don't hear it. You don't really hear that a lot, but it is, it birthed a lot of stuff. Entrepreneurship is all you talking about. Right. Me, she just had a way, you know what I'm saying? Like he just had a way to tell history to make you believe. And then when you see it from somebody that's coming from, they come from where you come from, you're gonna do, you're gonna believe it. And you're gonna put that same action he put forward. If you ain't too stupid, you know what I'm saying? So if you don't see that and see the light in the city glow in it and not get riled up and be like, oh, okay. Yes, you know. I'm telling you man, I ain't play everybody. It was something that everybody down here respected. I don't care who he was and not down here across the world. I was gonna say, man. Across the world, the United States for sure. Like you could not deal with anything without talking about these guys when they was on the streets and when they was locked in and they was at the peak. I call it the peak. That's right. Because there was a peak. Anybody have a DMF Star or what you think about it? You tap into it, you gonna be watching it? Yeah, I'll watch it. You watch it? I mean, at the end of the day, I don't really watch a lot of TV because I'm out here living, you know, and living a real life. It's real, come on man. Right, so we have TV. I don't be watching it like that. I think after the pandemic is when we stop. That's right. Because during the pandemic, you had to re-evaluate your life and see what you're giving too much attention to and what you not giving enough attention to which need to have more attention. And you just start to do some restructuring and say, you know what, let me cut this off. We don't even watch news that much anymore because news always be like bad news and stuff. Like if you want to see the news, just jump on Facebook, Bill. If it's something that needs to be known, they're gonna tell you. They're gonna tell you first. Or CNN will tell you, you know, world news real quick. If you just like once a month, you're like, okay, let me see what's going on. But other than that, TV is so addictive where you sit down and watch show after show after show when you really turn around and look at how many hours you just wasted that could have been something progressive. Like what did you get out of watching TV? How did that benefit you? Well, let's go deeper. Or benefit somebody else. It benefited them by making money off of your views. That's about it. But it's not helping nobody. It's the same thing with these bad boys right here. Ain't no different. It can cause you, you have to remember, we've had moments where we like just leave the phone at the house, don't take it. Because you just want to see how life feels without it. We got to have balance. This even is, if you got too much of this going on, there's a lack of balance. I feel like the number one TV consumer in the world is senior citizens, older people and people in prison. Yeah, right now, just like the radio, just like the radio, just the same thing. Without a doubt, without a set up of them. So networks are still going to make, they're going to win. Just like they, you know, they were winning even more because everybody's watched TV and it wasn't so many resources to watch whatever you want to watch. But now it's like, they know, okay, look well. Okay, that's cool. We just going to get our money off people, the older generation and the people in prison. But even where TV is concerned, do you notice that everything is going from regular TV to they're putting all the movies on Amazon, on Hulu, on Netflix because all those apps are where? You're streaming on your phone. On your phone, Netflix, okay, quickly watch a movie. I can watch my episode, I can this, I can that. You know what I mean? If you're not easily access to a phone, then you're not making it nowadays. Nowadays everybody's making their own apps. If you have a business, you need to make an app for yourself. For a website, right. Even websites as much. An app, because this generation has gotten more lazy to a website, I mean, I gotta go on Safari or from whatever and then go find the website. Too many steps to get to the source. You have an app, you download the app, click the app, boom. You're already there. Yeah, so do you feel like, do you like where music is at right now? Do you got? I love it. I mean, it's evolution. Put it like this. Where I'm at now, right? We're good in the universe. I judge nothing and judge no one. So what you do is what you do and how you do it is how you do it. My old self would have been this. I hate it. I can't stand it. Yeah, you feel me? I'm crazy. I mean, I love it. If you love it, that's cool. Cause that's for you, it's not for me. So I don't have to listen to it to like it. It's not for me, you feel what I'm saying? But I can listen to it and hear something that I like. Like, man, this is on my mama bro. Like this. I used to be one of the worst dudes in the world. You feel what I'm saying? But now when I come home, I remember my daddy used to come back to you with me. May I ask you a question about my pops? So pops got his stuff together when I was about 14 and 15. But because he had been out of my life all these years, I wanted to be like, man, you know what I'm thinking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was trying, but I was verbatim. Don't hang in the hood. Fuck that, I'm going to the hood, you know what I'm saying? Nigga, I get taken off the basketball game cause I'm hanging in the hood. He didn't have moved to a white folks neighborhood at this time. So I got to experience the hood and something different, don't get it twisted. But my mind, everything is a mindset. Like you were saying earlier before you leave jail, you got to be started here. My mind was like, like I said, my parents, I want to know people, if I say, fuck that, it's fucked that. Nothing you can say, nothing you can say. If I say, fuck that, it's what it is. And God know that, you know what I'm saying? But you're hurting yourself more than you're hurting them. Of course, you know what I'm saying? So boom, I'm going in about back and forth. My daddy like stayed working in this neighborhood and I couldn't see it then. Couldn't not see it then. Now I see it because now my daddy used to be saying, well, cut that rap music off. I couldn't see it then. I never thought I would be the father that walk in my house and tell my son to cut a rap record off. Man, I'm about to walk in and he listen to King Vaughan the other day. Man, boy, it was just so destructive. I was like, man, cut that shit off. But it brought me right back to what my daddy called me listening to Master Pete, to the true album. It's how I'm not selling crack cocaine. My daddy was like, this is the same nigga that sold crack to your mama and you big up in this nigga. And I was like, okay, get it. These same niggas you running into in the hood that said they love you, got your mama head turning tricks for this crack cocaine for this rock. And you smart, you love these niggas. But they don't love you like you think they do. And I'm like, whoa, that was the irony of it because I'm going to hang with some niggas. I think quote unquote love me but these niggas selling my own crack on the low was to destroy my family. But they don't give a fuck about it because they got kids too. That's right. You know what I'm saying? That's right. But it took me a while. It's all about feeding their family. They do what they have to do. And a lot of times you have some people, they'll feed the poison to the masses but their own family, they won't really. I mean, that's what the government do. So that's why when I got older, I seen that I couldn't hold my own people accountable for something they learn or something they was taught. The government taught them to do that. So guess what? As I got older and I teach my kids them, you got to unlearn all that bullshit. You've been taught by the television that tells you a vision. You got to pay attention to these words they put in front of you. Because all of these words mean something. They all have a spell. You know what I'm saying? Spelling is spelling for a reason. Look for the underlining reasoning behind everything. Exactly. When you're talking about spelling, it's speaking stuff until you say something. But you're talking about positivity and you're talking about feeding the youth with something positive to hold on to. But then I know that you are in acting right now, right? Yes, ma'am. Okay, the show that you're doing, how... It's very contradicting to what I'm doing. That's where I'm getting to. It's very contradicting to what I'm doing. But it wouldn't be acting if it wasn't. Exactly. I'm acting. But then even these rappers and stuff like that, they can say it's acting because people always tell these kids, it's not real, it's not real, but these kids look at all the rap music and be like, oh, I want to do that. I want to be like, da, da, da, da. It's not real. It's not real. But the kids are not looking at it like that. The kids are looking at it like, that's what my life, I want that life to be. I want that guys out there killing and shooting and whatever it is. Nah, that's not the same. Music and acting is different because people don't grow, want to be like the Terminator. They don't want to grow up being like Rambo Pharrell. But music can kind of do that sometimes. So it's like, you got to be careful with the music because music is actually like a different vibe. It's a different spiritual connection. I can't agree because you just... Let me tell you why I can't agree with that, what you just said. It's because the scenarios you use with the damn Terminator ain't no niggas want to be like the white boys. And who else did you say? A lot of people don't... Whatever. Everybody wanted to be JJ there while I was dynamite and everything else back in the day. Okay, no. I'm just saying, I did, honestly, want to be Rambo in my life. I just... So sad. I don't know what I'm talking about. I really want to be like the Terminator. I was like, Rambo, who... I was really coming at him about to factor the two white guys and no black team. That's why I went to the left team. I said, I went left for a reason too. But I ain't say, Jesus, shit, I was in. Mom, when I look at it, but I think it's a difference between those big movies compared to the smaller movies. When I say that, like when I was asking the young lady earlier, she ever watched the show Money in Valence. That was my favorite show. Okay, and I loved it. I hated it when it stopped. But we were hooked on watching that show. Yeah, we watched that. But watching that show, and I seen those guys, I'm like... Robbing. Be a killer. In my mind, the way how they were so good at it, and maybe because it was a lower... I'm like, nah, they do that for real. They do that for real. That ain't actually, they do that for real. Let me give you this. Just like you have a past, you got a past. Everybody got a past. So my character reflects not only my past, but those around me, past that I have seen growing up. So when I'm acting, I can act like any character against them. My daddy was this, my mama was a pimp, my nigga up the corner was a drug dealer, the nigga down next door was a killer. This nigga next door shot shot in front of us when I was a nine. I done seen it all. I didn't have to do it. I done seen it exactly. So even if I done it or what I ain't, I can just put myself back when I was nine years old. And I remember Lil Tre Tre shot Lil TT in front of everybody in the neighborhood. Or I put myself back when Lil Tre Tre robbed Lil TT in front of everybody in the neighborhood and made him take off all his clothes. She put myself in with Miami boys were coming to Atlanta trying to rob us. And my brothers and my sister all live with my brothers and sisters at the time. And, you know, they was doing a little hustle thing. And I don't know, we used to always have these house parties. It's funny that I'm into parties now and doing events because I was the life of the party as a kid. 12, 11 years old, we have a house party. So I'm coming outside, coming in there, sneaking out the room. Yeah, I turned up on you for like, oh, that little kid going crazy. Been a star since I was a kid. And at the same time, we had been doing so many house parties and turning up that some, some out of towns was coming. This was when the era, when the out of towns was coming up here, thinking Atlanta was sweet and they tried to come out. And these guys didn't even get nothing. But going up as a young jit, having a gun in my head, watching my brother get shot. I can't, I know how to act that type of thing out. Being a kid with a gun in your head, like I'm gonna kill the kid if you don't bring me all of the, whatever we came here for. Even though they didn't get it, thank God, because my neighbor came out and things happened in the way they happened because it was in God's hands. But he, I understand we coming from, we've seen it in our life and we know how to portray things. I just know that the things that you guys are speaking on is what happened in a lot of black neighborhoods. Oh yeah. I mean, every hood, you know what I'm saying? I like DJ quick when he say, it's just like Compton. That song meant a lot because as he was speaking about these different places he was traveling to, he starts seeing the fact that everything he was looking at was reality of the hood and the black people he dealt with in his neighborhood. It's the same. That's why you go to the hood because it's like everything's the same, man. And you can, anywhere you are at, I hated when I seen Nipsey. I met Nipsey a few times, but I hated to see him in front of the store because I own a store. And I hated the fact of seeing him die in front of a store like that. You know what I mean? And, but I understood why it happened because I know already that when I say something, even in front of my store, being a store, a business owner, I said this earlier, it amplifies. It's more stronger. Being who Nipsey was when you say you a snitch, it takes on a whole another level of what you say. And then my whole story, I always say about that guy that had done that. His whole story was, man, I know Nipsey. That's his story. Man, I know Nipsey, but Nipsey take that away that day really. When he say, hey man, you a snitch, man, don't come in, don't come on my block. If you ever been to Cali, you know how these niggas talk too. They really get hype about what they say to you. Ain't no, hey man, don't come in the neighborhood. It's like, hey homie, you know, it's different, bro. It checks. I know, they get straight with it. Yes, sir. I just left there. So you know I'm telling the truth. It's New York in the same way. And then people are like, no, you just see them say nothing really to them like that. No, bro, people don't talk like that. When they out there, they really bring their passion what they say. And then for me to say, see that Nipsey or something could say something like that to a regular dude cause he was just a regular dude, snitch, whatever it may have you expect. You know, it's still I got dudes. I can't say that. I can't say nothing to dude cause they looking at me. I'm rolling up in the nicest cars with my family and I'm doing my thing to these people. Am I right? Think about it. They look at you on a whole another level. You doing it. You doing what they would wish they could do. Right. No matter how many people you employed there's always going to be somebody that's out there that's just like, yeah, hate on you or just envy. Exactly. But it amplified, man. I think we're just being who we are as kings and the good as we are. It's about knowing how to watch your mouth. So I'm big into the universe. I'm big into what you speak is your existence. I'm big into what you think is your existence. So by and all, if you constantly saying, if this, if that fuck this fuck be, it's gonna come to you. Let me give you a prime example. My best friend and one has just got killed last month on his birthday. He woke up that morning at eight o'clock of his own Instagram live. He asked my birthday I'm blessed to be alive but to that fuck nigga that did since I got it on me and I got it on me and I got it on me and I got it on me and I got it on me and I'm under the duck. By 11 o'clock he was dead. He was shot by the nigga there. He was talking about he was shot by an old man to stay downstairs with a woman over 20 years. Wow. Because he put that energy out there. He put that energy out there. The old man was just mad about the mother fucker music being too loud. Wow. Because he been up all night. But it's the hood. That's it. I need to shot him for that. But knowing this nigga 20 years, you turn around and shoot him in front of his kids. His daughter, everybody was outside in front of him on his birthday. Wow. Boom. You see what I'm saying? It's the energy. Yeah, it's the energy. It's the energy. So that's why I tell the brown people around me, watch what you say. Watch what you think. Wow. Especially once you start realizing your power as your gods you are. Oh, the more you realize it, the more gods start making happen instantaneously. Boom, you think about this to happen. Now I want the police to get behind it. Boom, there they go. He should tell me what I'm talking about. If you think about the police, they gonna pull it back. I'm gonna stop talking about them for a while. Man, I'm not even moved. My OG used to tell me something. I was back in the street so hard, man. Get caught doing what you're supposed to be doing. Wow. And back then I couldn't even understand that shit. What is he talking about? But I was always in the trap getting locked up. He's like, nigga, the record label ain't coming to the trap by dope, none of that. Why are you in the trap? You're a rapper, right? Wow. And I'm like, but I'm from the hood. I'm god damn, I love my hood. He's like, all right, cool. Boom, back in jail. Come home. You wanna rap now? Look back to the hood. Back in jail, boom. And I was like, it was repetition. Over and over and over and over. I was still doing good in the music. Don't get it twisted. So who was, I gotta talk about that. Who was some of the people that you work with? Aw, man, everybody. Everybody. Okay, so Rick Ross, we been on Twitter together, two chains. I'm from originally from the Atticru and Dungeon family. That's who killed me since I was a kid. You know what I'm saying? All of them, C-Lo, Big Boy, all of them family members, you know what I'm saying? OG King, Floaty. He like Dungeon family third generation, right? Yeah, I'm fourth generation actually. I'm fourth generation Dungeon family. Atticru and all that. Man, everybody man, shit. I can't even name one, it's some of these new people. I can't name nobody that went on my tour before they got big, you know what I'm saying? Titty Boy, all of them, that was on my tour before they got big, you know what I'm saying? Wow. I brought these folks out, spent a check with them. Feel them up, yeah, like. Promote an artist. Oh yeah? My boy, yeah. Go in. 19 years old, I don't know, I don't know everything. Killing the country time. So who influenced you the most? Got to be outcast. Again, outcast. Is it because we're in Atlanta, everybody is saying outcast? In Texas, it's UGK. Yeah, because out here, it's like everything is outcast. That's real. It was UGK, it was outcast, it was in the G8 ball. It might have been my top threes. And then, you know what I'm saying? We were about to ask you your top three. He already named it. He can't do that. He already named it. You just named your top three. He already named it. So is it in that order for real? See that order just like that. Outcast, UGK. Eight ball MJG. That's real. He already named it. That's dope. I love the fact UGK got in there too. Eight ball MJG out of Memphis here. Outcast for show, big boy. I knew she was gonna say that. Andre 3000. Oh, three stacks, that's the homing. But I'm gonna be. I love Andre. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm telling you, Andre's my guy. I love the fact that that was dope choice. I gotta get yours now. I would love to interview you, Andre. Your big boy really started out, Cad. Don't get it twisted now. You ain't got it. I ain't got it. He's just an incredible artist. Big boy, here's the song. When you come out and see Big, Big has got the... He the big boy. He the big boy. Yeah, he the big boy. He the big boy. And he rapped on everything. He's big. No, he was good, but I was like... I like unique. That's right. I like different. And because of that, that's why Andre is about to win. He's like abstract. Give me your top three of all time. Top three of all time. I would really give, like what he said kind of, I had to go with what he said. I did. The hell don't it really? Yeah man, that was real. I could go there, but outcast definitely... Oh, did we not tell you? It's any genre. Any genre, just my top three. Any genre. It can be R&B. It can be Calypso, Reggae. See, that's the different you gotta see. You gotta be like your top R&B, your top. No, no, no, no, no, no. Top 10s, man. Yeah. Number one would really be this Dungeon Family period. Right. Number two. You with your cake? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ice cube. That's what I'm saying. What's yours? I would say... Ice cube, bro. That boy said ice cube. We had that before. We had ice cube before. Because ice cube, like when I first started, like when I was a jet, I always used to write, you know, I used to write people raps down He was one of the first people raps I ever wrote down from like seven, eight year on count. I was under 10. I know I'll write ice cube lyrics down in the crib with my sister who was writing down all the R&B, who can you run to, or whatever they were writing down. I seen them writing lyrics. I'm like, I'm gonna write these raps down. Ice cube. Number two. I'm gonna tell y'all some two people don't realize Snoop Dogg is really one of the biggest rappers. Do you want to move to West Coast? No, I'm just not there. But I'm gonna do, this is because I just want to throw an honorable mention in. Snoop Dogg is really like, he is like the most popular rapper of all times. He's going to see- So that's not his number two. He's just trying to throw that rap in. He's a throw, he's gonna throw him in. Okay, then. Snoop Dogg is one of the most popular rappers. You go anywhere you see Snoop Dogg. Look at him doing Corona commercials. His last hit. I gotta agree with that. What do you think? You know what I'm saying? I love Snoop Dogg. Look at him and Mark the suit. Knife about lyrics just about all over. That was all over. But he's not in your top three. He's all over. Okay, so who's your number two? My number two. And what are we talking about again? All the time. All the time. All the time. All right, it's energy. Male or female? Anybody. Man, let me just say like Michael Jackson or something. Yeah. Okay, that's number two. Number three? I remember, I've just gone off what I remember as a jit the most. And... See, y'all didn't give me that question. I just kind of said, I couldn't win the genre, man. Pop. I knew you were gonna say that. I knew it was you. I know all the West Coast too. You y'all didn't give me that. That's what I'm choosing though. I don't understand you. I like big too though. Nah, nah, nah. I'm with my boy right here. You D.K. Stay right there with you, D.K. And stay right there with good and mob. No, no, no. You want to change his. You want to change his. I just missed the prince. Man. He wants to change his. So what is your top three? Come on. All around, then it would be down to the family. Uh huh. All prince. Uh huh. And then, let's see if it's just diversified. Yeah, diversified, right? Diversified. One of my favorite songs, I can break your heart and run up. Wait a minute, hey man. Don't break my heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Really dumb. So easy, number three. He had to be number three just because it was so different. And I was like 10 and I just captivated me. You don't even know why. Some of you remember the most. So who got bummed out of that top three, right? You know, if we was going to go for just all over the, if I was going to top what you said on my achy breaking heart, it would be, I would go steel hood. It would be pop hood. It would be for real cause I'm happy. Yeah, all the way across the world. Tell my producer. No, let's not. You tell my producer. I'm talking about just the fact of the biggest song that's made, stayed in your mind. So let me tell you something that you, did you know that they offer C-Lo that song first? For real, I didn't know that. Yeah, I heard that. I heard that. And see, that's one of the, shout out to my big brother, C-Lo man. Man, I wish I could have got him on here while I'm back. I'm coming back. I ain't nobody here. I'm living here in Atlanta. Yeah, that's it. I'm going to come back. So the next round, you got to help us get all them folks. Relaxing though, we're going to come back. I can promise the Lord, say the same, man. Thank you so much, man, for coming on the show, man. Thank you for having us. Man, we love you guys, man. It's big love, man. Before you go, exactly. Big love, man. I wish I could stay the Friday. Friday, we got a celebrity basketball game. We do, man. Back to school drive that we do every year. Why? We give away everything for it. Got all my celebrity friends coming out. Yeah, you do it. Summer safe. Oh, it's your big brother, man. Not going to worry, king. Summer safe, can't worry a king. We doing something big for all the kids. We do this every summer. We take care of give back. That's what it's all about. How can people get a hold to you? Summer safe at Atlanta.com. Summer safe at Atlanta.com. That's the way of saying things. Summer safe at Atlanta.com. OK, man, that's it. It's Summer safe at Atlanta. That's dope, man. But thank you guys, man. We love you, man. And it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. That was Boss Talk.