 Welcome to Pure Dog Talk. I am your host, Laura Reeves, and we are on Lightning Round with Laura, our live podcast. We're gonna be starting this evening with a special, if I could just make Facebook not keep giving me tips, a special tribute to our friends in the Ukraine, a candlelight vigil, five candles for five days of war in the unprovoked attack by Russia against the Ukrainian people. If you have a candle nearby, join me. If not, our five candles will burn through our podcast this evening for the people of Ukraine. If you have not had a chance to listen to the interview I did with Auntie Lutin of Croatia and Talking Dogs with Auntie, please take a minute to do that. Otherwise, we are ready to roll. So our live Lightning Round is an Ask Me Anything sort of opportunity and I am fortunate that I have a backup team that's going to be texting me your comments. Shout out to Stacy Anderson for catching those for me. We have a special guest for you this evening, my friend Amanda Kelly of Fuego Toy Manchester Terriers is going to drop by at some point and we are going to be able to take your questions and answer them right here. Meanwhile, for those of you who are unfamiliar, Pure Dog Talk is sponsored by True Paying In and Embark for Dogs and it is going to have some exciting stuff coming up. So if you guys follow the podcast, be on the lookout as they say, Bolo for some very exciting opportunities upcoming in the next couple months as we partner with a few more organizations as well. So I am super excited to be here and just remember that action is our purpose and we are here to answer your questions all the time. We are here to play and knowledge and all of the things that we want to have. Sorry, it says my Wi-Fi is being difficult. Anybody out there want to say? Good, thank you. Glad you're in Seneca. Okay, so everybody who's watching, anybody that's seeing the Wi-Fi Give Us Problems please shout out. This is, we've done our previous Lightning Round with Laura's on YouTube, our live podcast. We're testing out a new theory on Facebook live so far. Facebook is losing to YouTube just in case you guys were wondering. I have lit our candles in our candlelight vigil for our friends in the Ukraine and we will be getting a special appearance from my friend Amanda Kelly from Fuego Toy Manchester Terriers and I am very very excited to have her join us and we're going to talk about the camaraderie of dog people and even in these trying times we are able to come together and help each other out and find joy in our ability to be together and so I have my friend Stacey Belt who will be doing our capturing some of the comments for us so if you guys have comments drop them in the in the chat we'll get them forwarded on to me and that will all just go perfectly I know it. 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Figure out your genetics why all kinds of things that are available to you so meanwhile now that we've finally gotten everything sort of straightened off Stevie Collins welcome how do you feel about some of these open forums winning and discrediting the work they do great question Stevie this isn't ask me anything opportunities so here you go Stevie's kicking it off with a with a truth bomb I love it good job here's what I believe social media is a gift and a curse in the dog world and I believe that very very strongly it is a huge part of why we started Pure Dog Talk and wait for it I think we might have a backup here oh call failed try again try again Amanda the beautiful thing about social media is that we connect with breeders in other countries we have a global community it's part of the support for Ukraine and all the things that we can do the downside is that a lot of times misinformation in a variety of venues actually can be transmitted and so what I feel very strongly about is that some of the available groups on social media do not have appropriate information or they have people who have misconstrued a situation or they have people who lost and they're mad about it and now they have a place to bitch so one of the things that Pure Dog Talk was designed to do was to provide accurate information to people so if they wanted to have an answer to a question they could get it from a trustworthy source so that's my pitch for Pure Dog Talk and and it is it is truly one of the things that I think is the most important offering that we can provide on the podcast and I really believe that people get upset and they vent on social media without having necessarily all the information so that is I see the downside to the Facebook groups as broached in Stevie's question so okay I know that my friend Amanda tried to call me and maybe she'll try and call me back and this time the phone call will come through meanwhile what I want to talk about is the positive and the positive in dog shows and in the communities that we've developed around purebred dogs is that dog people can be your best friends literally it is our tribe it is our family and the more people who we bring into that tribe the stronger our tribe will be and if you see a new person who is unhappy maybe you should try helping them and and see if that makes a difference in their world okay hang on Amanda let's see if this works who do we have here I love it okay Amanda so we have people with great questions welcome Amanda Kelly from Fuego Toy Manchester Terriers in Halifax Nova Scotia it's it's late there thank you for joining us oh I'm so happy to be here so hello to everyone yes okay so we're already getting these really great questions from our listeners so I'm I'm bringing you in on this and then later we are going to have later we're going to have the conversation but we're going to have the conversation about our new t-shirt slogan but for right now we are talking about all of the things that we can do as a sport to build our camaraderie whether it's global whether it's local whether with it's within our breed or not I've restarted this live stream so hopefully everybody is back I see most of you are I apologize for the complications I do not know why Facebook is being mean to me but it is so hopefully okay I hear that the I hear that the stream is still not great so hopefully we're just going to run with this and see where it goes we will definitely be back to YouTube next month because this is is definitely making life more difficult so talking about camaraderie talking about the ways that we can work together you'll all remember our 12 steps to a happier you right and some of the things that were in that apply to our camaraderie and let's see if we can get our friend hello how are you excellent I'm so glad we are definitely having live television today it's so amazing those for the five days of war in Ukraine and I think how much the world has changed in only five days and what remains the same is dog people being dedicated to helping dog people in my regular not my job is working with the Canadian government as in in commemoration I spent the last you know 15 years studying yes and I think that you know if I've learned only one you know hours of reading and sharing and writing the stories of those those wonderful people it's that the thing that all of them valued it didn't matter if it was the First World War the second world valued their connection to the people that they love yes and the community that supports and the thing is true for our dog community you know sometimes sometimes we can be pretty pretty mean to each other but when the chips are down and you know that the folks in our dog world will be there for one another and that's a pretty amazing gift yes and I think that that is so the point of our tribe and our conversation with anti-lutine those of you who haven't listened absolutely should it was very much a while and on your end I'm getting reports if you can get a little closer to your mic that would be great Amanda so while we are all supporting each other and we're here on the live podcast let's do this performance dog food why do we feed or show performance dog foods to pet dogs thoughts Amanda well there you go I'm not going to say that I'm a nutrition expert but you know I find that performance for blend tend to be very high in protein yes and you know that can be hard on the kidney yes and most dogs don't need it to lay on the couch yes absolutely true I I agree with that I agree with that and I I think that that is absolutely a thing I think that we use our performance our higher protein foods for our dogs that actually are working really hard field trial dogs sled dogs hurting dogs dogs that need extra energy a dog lying on the couch does not need to eat a 32% protein yet they just don't it will give them hot spots it will make them fat it okay this is lightning round so we're getting we're getting our questions in Seneca Mestovic would like to know about gatekeeping is it always a bad thing breeds sports or otherwise now I'm going to take one side Amanda you can have the other one flip coin I'm going with gatekeeping is bad what's your thought you can do this see this is why this is why Amanda and I are really good because we can argue both sides of the same thing go all right so I'm going first you quick come up with an argument gatekeeping is bad and the reason I say that gatekeeping is bad is that our sport is shrinking I'm not going to go with dying because that's a little melodramatic but it's shrinking and the people who are willing to the at the ass crack is stupid and drive to a dog show and show their dog ribbon and go home and spend $500 for the pleasure of that are fading fast and if we expect to continue on into the next century held the next decade I would say that gatekeeping is bad so that's my philosophy that's my thought what is your thought Amanda okay so if I have to say which apparently you do you're on the spot man you signed up for this like totally right you know right okay I have friends who are groomers I have a good friend in Florida who's a groomer and you know we've had some really interesting conversations about gatekeeping and her thinking on it is formed and informed here it says as a groomer and what she sees comes through the door in the form of very poorly from very popular breed and so from that perspective I think that you know if we're saying gatekeeping from the perspective of being very good okay see excellent well done all right everybody else out there while you're thinking of another here and have Stacy forward on to me Amanda talk to me about our contest for this evening lately focused on I don't know not really self-help but like all those little weird memes that you see and every time I see them dog shows and you know some of our funny and some of them are not funny but I had said to Laura you know we really could make some good and you can buy your there's a podcast for that t-shirt so every time someone asks you a question there's a podcast for that they are like full-size like grooming not just spit towels right so you know I I believe that that at least two is sort of minimal okay sounds like we're still having a problem with the actual live part of this hopefully it's being recorded and people will be able to check it out I don't know how to change the frame rate from 50 per second you're talking to me me like I don't know I barely I can talk I can show a dog that's what I got so let's go with this t-shirt theme what's our theme here I'm on my to-do list is always make a list but yes I made a list and so I have like you know I have different ones from there funny some that are maybe some things that we might need to remind ourselves of in our low moments so where do you want to start I think that you should definitely start with your favorite okay so here's my favorite and I'm not going to take credit for this because my you know a pure mutual friend I met a wonderful palm breeder from Asia and we were having dinner and having a great conversation about you know the kind of the trials and tribulations of you know dog shows and competition and you know all of those challenges that you can sometimes face and this was I mean this is several years ago it really stuck with me but I like to remind not just myself but everyone else and it's okay you're ready yes when you when you go hunting you shoot at the birds in the air not the ones on the ground I like that I think that we find ourselves in positions where you know we feel like we're being unfairly targeted you know I think anyone who's had any success in any breed will say that they have felt like that sometimes so it but it's a great reminder for me and for you know even just that you know the folks that are starting out to remember just to hear and to assimilate right just don't we don't have the same perspectives and sometimes what I think is a bird in the air you think is a bird on the ground exactly exactly well and I just I feel like I need to process this by saying that I have no idea if that's actually a true hunting thing like maybe do it no you you shoot at the birds in the air absolutely shooting see and here's the thing about it shooting the birds on the ground is considered like it's poor sportsmanship like that's that's cheating right so that's another speaking coming from a hunting background I'm telling you that is sort of a double entendre to that right okay all right so that's one a little bit more serious the second one are all of my friends out there who have been watching inventing and I don't know if you've seen it or I they have this saying where they ground them just to remind themselves to give themselves power if you've seen interesting okay I am a bad bitch I mean that's I had it I some of you on my on my personal social media have seen the bumper sticker that I have that my mother bought for me when I went to college that I put on that I took to college with me that says don't tell my mother I'm a dog handler she thinks I play the piano in a whorehouse sort of with the reference at dog people dog breeders whatever are bad and and this was my opening pitch to the to the vet students to help them understand no we're not bad but this is a funny that's been around for a long time I also have the bumper sticker that said you say I'm a bitch like it's a bad thing yeah I think I have that one yes it's it's a personal favorite okay so what's next what's our next what's our next inventing Anna is so good so inventing Anna wins a prize here all right great next one of my list was actually been fired by the greatest registered means I ever saw on the dog and I just think that it encapsulates my thinking a lot of the time when I go to a dog show there's a tiny question and her name was whispering rain I shaved my legs for this oh my god I love that like for this you know encapsulate what I think that I'm at a shell and it goes back to what we were talking about in my opinion about why gatekeeping is bad right because it's already a frustrating experience for some people and so when you make it a frustrating experience and then people are mean to them and then they're like and I shaved my legs for this you know there's the gatekeeping piece I like and we're all crazy we are all crazy the fact that we're doing this means that we're crazy so let's not try to out crazy each other okay one of the things that makes me laugh the most is when you know we all have conversations they're like oh my god she's so crazy he's so crazy and if you really thought things about it we're all nuts so like pot may I introduce you to cattle right absolutely and I've got one for you I it's totally and this is a good segue actually because Cindy Wright has a question about thoughts on history and opinions on the consequences of war and implications of gene pool die-off in those areas and those breeds what are we most concerned about in the current situation that may already be struggling great absolutely amazingly good question Cindy I don't know exactly all of the breeders in the Ukraine I clearly I know that I have heard from Chihuahua global community Amanda we kind of in answering this question we need to to take a broader view than just the countries that are directly involved in the conflict I think that war and even the pandemic you know to a great extent has had a tremendous impact on absolutely every part of yes I can tell you that here in Canada just travel alone you know moving dogs around has become incredibly difficult and so you know anything that if our ability to work with one another you know and and if it you know God forbid that this killer conflict were to grow you know it could have catastrophic implications because it's piling on top of existing issues you know when we had the Second World War we had a very different dog scene you know a lot more people kept animals and bred them then is the case now and the way that we keep our dogs now there's a lot more breeders who have you know very few dogs and for those breeds that are supported by breeders a few dogs their ability to continue to produce at a rate that will maintain a healthy gene pool can be very quickly undercut yes that that that is really really I mean when we look at breeds after World War two say the clumber spaniel I know personally individual animals that they rebuilt the breed from okay and that was large numbers and so now when you're talking about as you say you know individual breeders with one two three dogs and and then they're all gone I just I can't even imagine it similar breedable terriers but it's a larger variety in the United Kingdom and they didn't port from the United States in order to you know rebuilding but you know they were importing from another compromised population we had here in the United States I mean just ten years a little over ten years after the war ended the the standard Manchester had to be rescued by the toy because the numbers were so low so what we see now you know that first later is that the coefficients and breeding of inbreeding are incredibly high and we have some ability within our worldwide population to bolster that but you know if we look back at a really small number of founding dogs but to a large number of bottles I it is absolutely a valid point and and I think that Sylvie makes a really good point as well she just dropped in the comments there any number of breeds that are at significant risk if they have major breeders basset hounds do she says I saw several really major lab kennels English cockers a few others and it's not necessarily of the breeds essentially having to be rebuilt the way they did white say for example with Irish wolf hounds during the during World War two but definitely of losing those major those huge gene pool country contributors and at some point if people can't feed their dogs I mean people are in subways just can't even well and you know difficult to pick up a large you know kennel and move it to my heart breaks for every person that is in that country I have such an amazing respect for their resilience but you know she's right there's a lot of potential for a lot of damage on every front for that wonderful country which you know if we stop and think about it a week ago was exactly like the you know city or camp that we all live in well and this is why there's five candles because honestly this is five days and I what's so incredibly difficult for all of us is just the the sheer mind-numbing shock and and we're thousands and thousands of miles away I for the people who are there on site I just I can't even begin to imagine so that with our theme of our new t-shirt motto I say United we stand it's a little trite but there it is what say you I mean that's a great one I think that sounds great I really do think it kind of goes with mine which is a little bit and you know that's important yeah the arch or chavka I don't know how to say that name of that breed but Sylvie's man and hungry where they are absorbing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people as refugees with their pets I mean the number part of why I did that interview with auntie is that I had seen so many news reports of people who had left everything at home but brought their pet with them just the average people and their pets are people in Ukraine are saving their pets before their thing just like we would and and I believe that that shared humanity is an enormous piece of the United we stand concept absolutely thank you Bethany well there of the major kennel organizations have come out I haven't seen CKC's but I AKC posted one today sharing their solidarity with Ukraine and the Ukrainian dog people so that is at this point about all we can do and stands united so Amanda I am sorry you guys this this particular format I was hoping was gonna be a little bit more interactive because it was Facebook got me so there you go back to YouTube next month the first day of April we will have a an important conversation to carry on so thank you all for joining us on pure dog talks live podcast thank you Amanda for bringing us your invaluable knowledge and thank you everybody for stopping by to join us thank you all right thanks everybody