 Thank you for staying with us. It's still plus politics and we're still looking at the crisis within the People's Democratic Party at the national level and still talking with me is chairman of the local government area, Samo Wanosike and former executive director of public affairs and social media to a do-state governor Greg Ogogua. So I'm coming to you Mr Ogogua now because Samo had had a lot to say about his days and I still ask the same question over and over again. We see a trend in many states across the Federation whether it be APC or the PDP. Once a particular person is the governor of the state and that state flies the flag of a certain party, local government elections are automatically given to those people in the party and Samo was talking about conducting free fair and credible elections. If these elections are free and credible where is the room for other smaller parties because those parties may not be big at the center but they can be big in those little communities where is room for those parties to fairly participate and win elections and we've seen many of these parties take parties like the PDP and the APC to court. So if the PDP is complaining about the fact that in Lagos state there is no fair play, it's their fair play in PDP states. Now my other question for you, it's a two-prong question so that you can answer it before we wrap things up, is if the PDP intends to win in 2023 and you were supposedly asked to be on that think tank what would be the recommendations going forward because it looks more like the PDP is now becoming a regional party of sorts and it's not necessarily a national party as it should be anymore. Well okay let's do it let's do it the same way you asked the questions one after the other. Okay now the issue of representation, the parties representing people from local governments operates and so on and the states determining who runs the local government is a systemic issue it's a very very systemic issue it's got a lot to do with fiscal policies as well you know revenue derivation and all it has a lot to do with the very basis of our democracy so when people talk about power sharing and so on I always say to them it's not enough to say let's just you know do power sharing to regions or power sharing to local to states how about local governments and how about to individual clans and family units so that's a totally different issue you take a whole one hour to go into that because it's a constitutional and very very fundamental issue in politics now but the main the main thing is this the PDP as it's were has had the greatest experience in running Nigeria it's had the longest period of time in governance has held the presidency at you know has held states and local governments at the largest extent over the history of democratic rule in Nigeria since 1999 now we've lost a lot of that and as a result of that it had to learn learn new things learn new habits learn make you know make amends for the mistakes that we made during that period of time and now we realize so we can see from our vantage point the mistakes that we that that the party in government is making however one of the things that we know we have not done is that we have not sold ourselves properly we have not come up with our new policies with the lessons that we have learned why we were in excellent why we were the wilderness these are the lessons we have learned this is how we're going to take Nigeria into the promised land we have not been able to articulate that properly and I think that that is one of the reasons why Prince Wichita II is under so much pressure because truth be told Prince II is is also a product of the previous generation which is a generation that was in in in governance so they did not learn how to be in opposition now that they're in opposition they probably do not have the skills of what a party in opposition should be like like my brother said we have to be agile we have to be very very extra just don't mind my English now we have to be the best of us yes that's the word and then you know we have to be able to quickly learn from the mistakes that government is making and quickly pro-offered new and innovative solutions to those same mistakes that they're making we're not doing that right now nobody is saying that this Prince Wichita II is personal force or fallacies it's also it's a systemic thing and just as we know that generation by generation not too young to run and all that stuff is coming along we also have new ideas and new innovative policies and new innovative ways that which we can run political parties and new innovative ways that we can bring in big you know the women the youth the the rural dwellers the pensioners and so on disabled people that we can bring them on to our fold increase our inclusiveness as the people's democratic party as it should be and as such we need to explore those things in innovative ways we need to think outside the box okay and what we're seeing is that what we're seeing is that the old executive doesn't seem to be doing so so we do respect to them and everything they did their best but you know we are stepping ahead into a new generation and so we need to then also bring in a new fold of people who will lead the charge into the new generation into the new into the next level and then and we know that the APC has failed so very well fully everybody sees that all we have to do is to translate that failure into electoral success for us at the next elections and I believe that Nigeria the Nigerian people know well enough to do so well on that note I want to thank you um Greg Ogogwa is the former executive director and public affairs social media to um a dole state governor uh and of course um Samoanaseke is the query local government chairman in river state thank you very much gentlemen for speaking with us I really appreciate it thank you appreciate it all right well thank you all for staying with us throughout the conversation that's all we can give today tomorrow is another day I am Mary Anna Konzi have a good evening