 We have here our next presentation from a guy called Clemens Schuhl. And I have him actually in my pocket here. It's this little man. And he's going to tell us, announce us actually what he's going to do or what he gets. I just leave the stage for him. Yes, keep it, pay attention. Here he is, Clemens. Are you all there already? Hello, I'm Kasperle. I would like to tell you a story today. She may seem a bit like a fairy tale, because many people wish that the digitalisation would be a fairy tale with beautiful, clear relationships. But in the end, you see that the thing is not that easy. From one of the exhibitions, to find a apartment in Berlin. The first two acts were actually only to be understood metaphorically. Those were exhibitions. But now the third act is completely automatic on a stage. If you've noticed in German teaching, you know the catastrophe is coming in the third act. I'll tell you again what happened in the first two acts. Once upon a time there was a princess. She just finished her art studies in Leipzig. So what you just saw was an exclusive preview for an upcoming exhibition. It's a play about the Warnung Spot, which I'll tell about more later. And in the upcoming scene that I just stopped now, you would have seen the princess realising that she has to move to Berlin. So let's talk about moving to Berlin. Let's talk about searching for a flat in Berlin. And the situation might be similar in a lot of other big cities, but it's hit Berlin especially hard and especially fast recently. So what we can see here is a flat viewing. And this was of course a bit out of the norm because what happened was that someone was offering a decent flat for a reasonable price. And hundreds of people showed up. And now we're going to ask why, right? And there are deep going complex analysis of the situation in Berlin. But I'd rather start with something really, really shallow. How Berlin portrays itself. Berlin's city of freedom. So they've got all these nice slogans there that always end with Weiles Gitt in Berlin, in Berlin, because it's possible in Berlin. And I asked, well, what is possible and what is this freedom? Because really, if I look at the situation of myself and my partner, there's really nowhere it's possible for me in Berlin, apparently. And I don't also understand what should be this freedom of me standing in the cold waiting to view a flat. What is this freedom exactly they're talking about? The resource housing in Berlin has hit exhaustion. And why I'm putting this connection to the resource exhaustion here is because I think that housing is fundamentally a resource allocation problem. And so a lot of what I'm going to say here about housing could be generalized to other resources. So of someone who went forth to find a flat in Berlin like The Fairy Tale is a project I've started as a media artist. About two years ago when I wanted to move back from here in Leipzig to Berlin. And I needed a flat, right? I needed this resource. And so I started looking for a flat and it looks pretty much like this. You sit in front of your computer all day and you're refreshing these same websites and it's really mind numbing. You sit there and you sit there. This is day one. It's day two. I hope I'm boring you by this point because it's really boring and boring and really annoying to search for a flat in Berlin. You're just wasting your time there. But then by day three, I was so annoyed that I thought, well, actually, I do have a background in computer science and this is not exactly the thing I like to do. So why don't I simply build a bot and automate this entire process? And there I am building this bot, which from the outside, I admit must look exactly as boring and tedious as searching for a flat yourself. And to do this, I deployed some cutting edge technology. I'm going to spill some secrets here, so prepare. Which is basically, well, I'm going to do exactly the same thing as before, just automate it. I was using a browser before, so now I'm just going to automate my browser, do the same things as before. And so a lot of people ask me, well, are you hacking this? Are you accessing their API? No, nothing. I'm just using Firefox as before. That's the nice little fellow. And then Selenium, which is a way to talk to Firefox to make it do things that you would usually do. And then Python, which is a programming language I like for its simplicity. And what you're doing when you search for a flat is that there's this button. So you're looking for something on this web page and you say, well, it should say submit or unfrei gesenden, which is German for submit this request. And then you're clicking on it, cutting edge technology. And so yeah, if people ask me, is this a hack? No, it's just automation at work for an individual, which seems to be something that we're so unused to that it seems like a hack. But it really, it's a hack as in you're using this really dumb old school technology to do something because you've kind of understood how it works, but you're not doing anything unusual really. And one thing I want to point out is that building this bot is something I personally enjoy. So I rather spend my time building a bot than looking manually, although I must admit I probably spent as much time tinkering on the bot than if I had looked for the flat manually, honestly. But I'm also pointing this out here because a lot of us here enjoy coding. And so we always think, oh, I could automate this rather than doing it manually. But sometimes that thing that we're automating also for other people might be something they enjoy. So we should take a listen to kind of we're automating parts of society that maybe there are people that enjoy doing this. But I'm sure there's no one who ever enjoyed looking for a flat online. So I feel good there. Yeah, and then I found a flat through this process. I wouldn't find this flat otherwise because it was online only for half an hour and then I moved back to Berlin and the end of the story. Thanks for coming. Which is of course not what happened because people I started asking me, oh, I'm in this dire situation, a friend of mine is in this situation. And I get messages and messages and I started wondering, is it fair if I give these people that happen to know me, who are often computer scientists themselves, to give to them these tools? Because it's unjust in a sense, right? So let's review what happens if you build a bot. I mean, it works. We see this, I have a flat in Berlin, now it works. It fixed my situation, but it's probably unethical because you're getting this advantage, right? So what happens if you share it with your friends? It also works for them for a while, I guess. It also kind of fixes their situation and it's still problematic. And then you're like, oh, I'll release us on GitHub and everybody can use it. But that's still your friends. It's still people who can use this technology. The first version of the bot I couldn't give to anybody who was not technical because you had to configure it in the command line, all these things. That's not public. That's still your friends just internationally. So what if you give this to the real public? Will it still work? Will it fix anything? And most of all, in what ethical situation are we there if we're doing this? Also, how do you even do that? How do you give a bot to the public? Because you're still in this resource allocation problem. You're still fighting for the same resource. You're still competing. So there's often the incentive to not even give it to everybody. And not everybody can be satisfied. It's not something I can fix magically to give a flat to everybody in Berlin. So there was an interesting situation and if you're a researcher, you would probably now say, oh, I'll write a paper about this. As a media artist, you will say, oh, let's do an exhibition about this. And so this is exhibition number one act for the first act. Your future is calling reply now, which was showed in the Art Academy here in Leipzig. And one thing to know for the people who are not from Germany, there's a bit of a competition between Leipzig and Berlin, just who's cooler and where do you move an artist if you really want to be on the edge. And it was hanging in the age room of the university. So it was confronting everybody the moment they entered the school. And what you see up there hanging is a banner, which is using the same slogans as we saw before. And it reads in English, search for a flat on the cultural metropole. Secure your career as an artist because it is possible in Berlin. And by this stochastic approach, I thought this is the language that you actually reach artists with, hopefully. And what was hanging above it was this box with a printer inside that would print flat ads coming online in Berlin in real time. And bit by bit flood the atrium with these... Oh, give me a second. OK, sorry, attack problems. It was filling the atrium with these... Here we are, with these ads. And what would also happen is that every time something came online, yes, we would get this notification sound. And what I was referring to there is that for a lot of people by now, technology has become something very negative. So they have this thing in their pocket that is pushing them to do this thing. They're feeling surveilled all the time. So we've got this very negative narration of technology in our lives. And this was also kind of like reminding them, oh, you haven't made it yet, you haven't moved to Berlin, put out your phone now, do this now. I would see people sitting with me in a bar suddenly pull out the phone being like, oh, there's a new flat online. I have to reply to this now, right? And so they're constantly feeling like they're being punished by technology. And people are going back to brick phones. They dream of moving to the countryside. And I wonder, where have these dreams gone about automation where people could maybe feel positive about this? Yeah, now it worked for once. Yes, so where are these dreams about automation? Is anybody still feeling hopeful? And so one person that's feeling hopeful is the bot. The bot made this promise to us. The bot said, well, I can fix this for you. We can come back to new utopias. And so if we want to give this to the public, if we want to public utopia, we need a lot of computers. And then we can show this to the public. So I selected this shopfront in Neukölln, which is an area in Berlin, which has been hit especially hard by gentrification. And the idea was that people could come there and sign up during the exhibition for the Wornungspot. They would configure it for themselves. And then I would be standing there in this shopfront day and night and search for a flat for them. And people in Berlin really know the interface of these platforms. So it had this strong impact on them. They would walk past it and be like, whoa, this would be cool if I didn't have to do it. But unfortunately, it doesn't work because people, when they realized this is art, immediately thought it wouldn't work. There's a strong association people have between art thingies and things that don't work. They thought it was a video or they thought it was that. No one believed that it actually worked. But they had this imagination. I could trigger the imagination of, whoa, what if we had a world where these things were possible? And then at the end of the exhibition, I made this possible. I put it on the Wornungspot website. You can still download it right now. It works, Wornungspot.de, where it was downloadable for all the major platforms. And now coming back to this, what is public if you're building a bot? Public to me means it's easily installable. You don't need to know about technology. You don't need to understand anything. And so I look for something where it could have the same automation tools as before. So a thinly wrapped browser. And I know a lot of you hate electron, but really for something like this, we need to get something to the public in an easy and understandable way. It's a great tool because public means accessible. Otherwise, you're just building software for you and your friends. And so I spent a lot of time tinkering on the user interface. It first greets you, then it tells you a bit about, well, this is actually art. It's not just something that you can use. But there's an art aspect to it. And then comes the important part of the configuration. You first tell it, this is where I want to live. This is the type of flat that I need. And here I already started inserting some useful things that usually can't do such as saying, well, I'm not willing to pay more than 10 euros per square meter. So I'm willing to put this much money up, but only if I got more space because otherwise you just end up with expensive apartments with little space left. Then you have to put in tons of personal data, which was not my idea. This is just what the platforms request from you. And now the cool part, your personal application. And as you can see here, it uses placeholders. So the bot can later on imitate you much better. It will put in the landlord's name or the landlady. So the lessor's data will be in there. The street data will be in there. Normal people also just copy, paste and do this by hand. And now the bot will pretend to be this human for you. Then you review everything if the day is correct. And then you start it and you see on the right hand side the normal user interface. So you can really see it acting. You can see it clicking. You can see it typing. There's an overlay for you to understand it better. But it's really just the normal website running in the background. And on the left side, you have an overview of what you've done so far. And then comes the fun part where you watch your computer writing this application for you. So now you will ask, OK, this is a nice bot. You've showed us you can you can build a bot. But where's the art in this, right? What's the artistic aspect of this? And so there's one more thing I haven't shown of the exhibition yet. There was this kind of like art stopper, kind of like a shop stopper, just for art. And it claimed that the artwork, which you cannot see here, is the change of the network. So what is this change in the network at what I'm referring to here? There's three ways of looking for a flat at the moment. You can do it manually. You can search with the notifications the platform provides or you do it fully automated. And when you're doing it manually, you'll sit there refreshing the same website all day, because if you're not fast, you're not getting it. You can wait for their notifications. But the problem there is that the notification might come so late that the flat has gone offline again, like flats in Berlin or sometimes online only for 30 minutes or something. Or the bot sits there and refresh the website all day, which sounds better, right? Then you normally spend valuable time reviewing the flat. And this is something I'll come back to later a lot with this time. You spend reviewing flats. And what you have to keep in mind here is that you'll often assess a flat that you won't get afterwards. So you're just wasting time on things that you have no chance of getting. The bot doesn't do this. You just apply it to everything. And then comes the part where you have to write the application, which doesn't consume that much time. I mean, copy, pasting and putting in the lesser's name doesn't take much time, but you have to be in front of your computer, which is hard, especially if you're a working person. Most of the flats come online during the day. And you have to be there to do this physically, or at least on your device. The bot can do this by itself, because this is one thing you'll all know, bots are really good at copy, pasting. And this is what's necessary here, natural bot work. And then it's lesser's turn. The lesser will go through the first few messages that hit their inbox. So it's important to be fast. And then it says, well, is this person, does it fit my criteria and invite you or maybe not invite you? And I've explicitly left out the option that the bot gets rejected here, because of course it can get rejected, but you will never know. You have never reviewed the apartment, you have not written an application, you have not wasted time on it. So it doesn't matter if it gets rejected once in a while. Whereas if you really wanted this flat, you'll feel sad if you don't get it. And now this little black bot jumped up there, right? So what does this mean? It means that there's another case of people feeling mistreated by technology when the lesser start using email responders automatically to simply message the first 20, 30 people, the viewing is next week at this time and date. And there was this article in the New York Times recently where it said that human contact is becoming a luxury good. And so not even when you're applying for a flat, you're being treated by human anymore. So sometimes you'll feel sad that you didn't get the viewing. Sometimes you'll feel happy. But in the case of the bot, this is the first time you assess the flat. So only if you're invited, you start considering will I really go there or not? And so I want to talk about working time here. And why working time matters, and this will maybe get a bit chaotic, but I'll still try, is that if we jump on this theory of the labor theory of value, which you might not subscribe to, but just do the thought experiment, it says that a product is just measured by the socially necessary time to produce it, that it's value. If you look at time historically, you would have a real estate agent. They would spend time on finding this resource for you and you would give the money, normal transaction. Now these platforms appear, online platforms, which promise to you, you can do this in your previously free time. You can do this, of course, for free. You're saving money there, but you're not realizing that in the sense you're working because they're somehow still making a profit. So who is making this profit? How, if no one is spending time on it? And so this came to me to this idea, if we're not okay with the current situation of housing, maybe this is a way we can reject it by saying, okay, we're not putting up free time anymore to work on this. We'll push this to the lessers, because if you're not spending this time, someone has to spend it, and this will be the lessers again. So there could be this hypothesis of like a working time denial of service attack, which sounds cool, but of course doesn't work because the lessers, what they will do is still just go to the 10, 20 first messages and select the best offer that you gave them, because we're always giving them our best effort, and they can just choose. So as a thought experiment, it's nice. It's something I would keep you in the back of your head, but it's not how it works. The lessers will still always win. And so if we say, well, this is what we dreamed of, right? You write the simple Python script and then you fix the social problem. This is what we wanted. But what really happens is this. You write this simple Python script. You think you can oh, we can just do some text solutionism and the problems just multiply because the problems will adapt. There will be problems within your solution, all these things. And so the the slogan of the bot I've come up with was there is no technological solution for social problems. And of course some of you will jump up here and say, no, no, no, there are things. And so I will go back to, OK, there are no exclusively technological solutions to social problems, because of course, under certain circumstances, technology can play an important role. But where I want to get at is that if we simply reframe this as it's not a solution, it's a reaction. If we just change this word, we get a lot further. So let's reframe this. I've not solved the Berlin housing market situation. I've reacted to it. So do this the next time you're discussing a solution with someone. See if reaction would not be the proper word for what you want. And if we say a reaction, another thing becomes apparent that someone else might react to. If I had solved it, no one would talk about it anymore. It would be solved. But I've only reacted so the platforms will also react. And reacting for them mostly means forbidding. How do you forbid a bot? Well, there's mainly three ways. You can put in technical barriers, which are mostly designed to say, well, you should be human to do this, prove your humanity, which might get interesting in the future with more AI and, yeah, better capture prevention technology. There's legal barriers, which is simple. You just tell people, do not automate this. Otherwise, I will sue you and you will be bankrupt forever. Seems like a simple solution. And there's another thing that we don't think about that much, which is important, which is simply moving on. So people admire capitalism for its ability to adapt. And so these are three startups that, from what I understand, have adapted to this situation. These are platforms where you sign up, you put in your profile, and you can't search for flats. They have a matching algorithm, which will then say, oh, this Lesser is looking for someone with a high income. So, hey, you Lesser, pick one of these 10 people that we suggest to you. And I hope that you all see the danger here is that what is happening now implicitly would be explicit, that people can filter by only high income people, only people, well, it might be latent variables in some point in the future, only people that are of the social class, all these things. So it just moves on. And then the question is, can we even use automation for good? Is it maybe implicitly designed to not help us but the other side? And to understand this, I will go to Michel Soto, who has these two words, which we use in our normal life interchangeably. But so he does not use them interchangeably. He says, strategy is something institutions do when they're trying to plan for activities, and there's tactics which we use as individuals. And one example for this is that if we look at a city, institutions such as the city government come up with strategies. They say, here are the entrances to this park, there are the exits. This is where you should move. And all of us, we have tactics. We're like, oh, I'll do a shortcut here, I'll do this, I'll do that. So the strategy never really works out because we adapt it for our needs. But our tactics never change the rules of the game. And that's the important part here. We don't change the rules of the game, we just adapt. And the bot is obviously a tactic if I do it for myself. I found a way to find my ways through the housing market. And the question is, if I release this to the public, can this become a strategy? Can we scale software in a sense that we're now on an equal eye level to this really becoming a strategic thing? And the answer is, of course, not in case of the warnings, but theoretically maybe. And how would this maybe look like? We were still allocating resources and so what we would need if we really wanted to have a strategy here is to have a proper resource allocation mechanism that works, that isn't just based on money, that is not perpetuating the inequalities we already have. And this is the hard part. We live in a society where the only resource allocation mechanism we know is money, which leads exactly to capitalism. So the challenge is to find new resource allocation mechanisms, which I honestly don't know about, but there's people out there who look into this, which we should listen to. I'm just an artist. And so as a summary of this, also like a very obvious take home lesson. If you build bots for yourself, ask yourself, am I gaining an advantage here and is it unfair? Am I giving others the possibility to take advantage of this, which will usually be your friends, either physical friends or GitHub friends? And then would it be theoretically possible to give everybody this benefit? And if you say, oh, yes, I have something that does match these criterias, then appears the question, should we have a right to do this? Should there be a right to automate? Which is hard, this question, because what would be the implications of this? If we look at Congress, they're struggling with finding a way that is both privacy preserving and does not resort to brain licenses in giving out these tickets. So it's hard to allow automation without being deeply intrusive on privacy or some other level and allowing for this. So a bot for yourself works, whereas a bot for the public often leads to expectable systemic failure. So I did I released the voting spot with two intentions. On one hand, giving people this thought of automation could be cool. It could be something positive. This could be something I'm looking forward to, but then also the failure. So this is like it's a drama, right? And we're now coming to this dramatic end where we simulate failure. We know that the voting spot currently works. You can download it, but it will fail in the future. And so I wanted to simulate this before it happens, so we can learn from it and adapt as a society. And the way I wanted to simulate this is coming back to theater. Theater is a really old technique for simulating something and sharing your insights with an audience. So as the last consequence, which is the title of Act Three, we well, I build a theater and as I'm into automation, I built a fully automated puppet theater. Again, puppet theater being something that's publicly accessible, in my opinion, it's something that people can relate to and thereby hopefully better understand what I'm trying to tell as a story. And again, I'm using very high end technology. So the plot of the theater, we've seen the very beginning, is that the princess wants to move back to Berlin and the voting spot tells her, well, I've helped so many people, I will help you find a flat. And the princess historically in these German puppet theaters is someone very helpless, so she's in the position of someone needy here. But if you watch the full play, you will see that she's really cool. Don't worry. The voting spot says, I can do this for you. He's helped so many people. But now as everybody's using it, the landlords and the lessors are reacting and they have the lesser bot now, the Famita bot. And the Famita bot keeps rejecting the princess because other people with more income have also started using the bot and her income is not high enough to have any chance anymore and will now jump back into the play at the dramatic end with the war of the bots. I'm disappointed. Forgive me, princess, but I don't find a flat for you. The dream of a simple search for a flat is over. Have I only worked because I have helped some people? Under the first to be, I change the logic and discrimination of the search for a flat, but not. If a person has spent a year on his search for a flat, that's tragic because he still doesn't have a flat. But he hasn't spent his own time with the search for a flat. Spent? Disappointed? Littered? Fingers and mind stumped? You are everything we have to show that we don't take part anymore. We refuse and in which we refuse our working hours. Only then can we automatically re-react in our society. You are the wooden shoe that we can throw into the machine's transmission. No, I'm not. Now close with the Gäckersbär. I'm the wrong tool. I'm a machine, I don't care about Berlin as much as the investors who bought your house. 12049 10997 10249 13353. I know your mail address, but I wasn't in your street. The investors probably didn't either. Did my face give you hope? Did I find a flat for one of you? If I had emotions, I would be happy for you, honestly. But I have to disappoint you. I help people find a flat. It works quite well for a long time. They find a flat faster and easier, because not all people use me. When everyone uses me, no one has a advantage anymore. But at least no one uses time with the search for a flat, as far as the dream. But to be honest, that's not what it's about. Don't just think about yourself. What's wrong with them, who don't even have internet at home? Or no computer? Other than that, simplify it. What's wrong with all the people who don't care how long they're looking, no matter which means they can't find an adequate flat that they can afford? Those who are really forced here don't even come to the public debate. Those who have been looking for a flat for months and you hear them when you see them and talk to them, immediately know that no other months will help. There's no point. Our system has given you up. I'm the wrong tool. I think it's a really good tool to be. I work as I thought. I automate well, work self-sufficiently and ungrateful. But I'm the wrong one. It has been said many times, but I can only repeat it. There are no technical solutions for social problems. Maybe I've been looking for a flat for one or the other. But that didn't help. I can't help you. You have to put the tools away and take it back in your hands. Together. Organize yourself. Get back to the tools, regulations, controls, distribution, emergency services. Techniques, years of age, what more do you want? Your woot has the wrong goal. The problem is not the search for a flat, but the market. The problem is that the flat is a market at all. I'm the flat spot, a art project, a hack that was carried out from personal needs into the public. A young man with big promises, big ambitions. But my goal was always to cheat. I cheat to stand here in front of you and to say, you haven't cheated yet, yet you can go on. I cheat to warn you, you can't cheat, the city is built on you. Now is the moment when you can still demand how you want to be given the apartment. Now is the moment when you can determine how automation should shape our lives. Now is your moment, not mine. You. Thank you, Clemens. Super. I had you in my pocket, so I can imagine some people have a question here and please step up, take your microphone and, yeah, drop it. Number four, there is someone. I'm sorry if it's on your website, but did you plan on putting the Wohnung spot to other cities? It's a question that has been asked from day one. Why Berlin, why not another city? This and that situation, a city is in a much worse situation. The reason I chose Berlin is not only because I was there myself, it's because I think that it's the city in Berlin that is the most interesting, in Germany that is the most interesting in this aspect. It feels to me like the one city where this situation could actually change. So they're right now debating something called the Mietendecke, kind of like the cap on rents, which will really get to the situation where we have to reconsider how to allocate flats afterwards. So I think it's the city where the most is moving and I wanted to have it only in one city because to me, artworks are kind of like experiments that exist outside of the scientific way. So I'm still wanting to experiment with something, I want to have a model. If I do this with every city in Germany, we don't learn anything because it will just change everywhere. I wanted to have one city where we can see how does it change if we apply the solution, right? I'm using it myself. How does the city react if we do this in comparison to all the other cities? And so I mean the source code is in GitHub, I know that all of you can fix it for your own cities. I'm not doing it for the public because that's not my goal. It's still an artistic research in that sense where I want to see what happens in Berlin. Yes, number three is here. All the questions. Thank you for your talk. I have not really questions, only two recommendations. Well, first of all, you said something in the end about, well, people being rich and how to pass by them. Sometimes I myself, I think of that we are the new riches. We the technical people who get around the expensive things by automating things because it's great to automate things and pass by everything who buy by the people who have to pay for everything. I don't mean stealing, but automating things. Well, that gives you some kind of richness that we deserve. Second thing is I saw your theater thing. And first thing I thought was, oh, this would be cool. If you would do it with an improvisation group, I play improvisation together myself. And if you get an improvisation group on stage and you give them the input, I am a robot, you play the robot and they play with you, you can get amazing scenes on and share ideas about this whole housing problem, not only in Berlin. I have to cut the commercials here. Hey, hey, sorry. But improvisation. OK, the advertisement time is over. Number two again. Well, let me give me one short reaction. You want to shoot? You said, well, there's other forms of being rich, such as knowing how to code. And I think in that sense, we should see capital as something very wide. Capital is not only money, it's also the social capital, there's a cultural capital. And in the long term, these all converge into one another. So it really doesn't matter if you only know how to code now. At some point, you will accumulate classical capital so we can focus on that, I think. Two things I want to ask. The first thing is that you check GitHub before creating everything from scratch because they are already projects there that work quite fine. And I want to understand. Well, at the point that I checked, there was someone who had built something that would automate parts of it. But as I was trying to find out, something being on GitHub to me is not the same as being public. And so I wanted to build something. I mean, I've built the bot twice with the exact purpose of building something that's not on GitHub, but somewhere where people can actually use it. So I was reviewing things that existed, but my goal was different. It was not just to find something for me, but to release something to the public. OK, and the other thing I want to ask is, why did you choose such a high level of automation? Advertisements on Emo Scout, for example, deactivated after 25 non-premium requests. And if you give such a bot with a high automation to many people, this will lead to many flats going off the market very fast from people who did not even check them manually. You're pointing out one thing where you can say, OK, this is problematic, the bot shouldn't exist. You're creating a problem. And I was trying to point this out before that whenever you react to a problem that's social and not technical, you will create new problems. And so what you're pointing out is one of these many new problems that will arise from this. The same being like what is with people that don't have a desktop computer at home, right? I met people at the exhibition that were like, I can't download this at home because I don't have a desktop computer. I don't have internet at home. And this is where you must see this is not meant to solve this, to do this or to that. This is an art project. I want to get into this discussion with you. I want to have people on the street thinking, OK, maybe we need different technology, maybe we need different regulation, a different society. So this is about creating this imagination, about creating a statical moments for yourself and not fixing this. So yes, there are all these problems, but that was not my focus in this. I wanted to have a theater there where people can start dreaming rather. OK, thanks. Correct. Number three, please. Hi. You basically said if I use your bots and the response rate depends on my income. What is your experience if I say, OK, but I pay more for the flat? So as it's capitalism, if I pay more for something and I say I pay more for my flat, I will get more responses. I've heard from people doing this in other countries. I've never heard of someone actually doing it in Germany to just offer to pay more. I have no idea how people react here if there is something where they can't do it. Like it's not something people talk about in my surroundings. So I have no idea really. It might work. It might not work. I don't know. No, I mean more if I if you search for a flat, which costs 700, it's really hard to find because so many people are looking for flights. But I say, OK, but for me, it's fine also 900. And I adapt the search parameters. Do I get a higher response rate with your bond? If you I mean, the thing will if you're looking for flats for 700 in Berlin, you'll likely get very few responses because there's very few flats like that out there. I can tell you that much. I've not done any data. I was considering adding data research parts to this. I've not done so I cannot give you any statistics on where you'll get the best response rates. It's out there. You can tinker with this. But that was not my focus here. OK, thanks. Thank you. Are there other questions here online? No one online. Very close, I think. Bourdieu is a good reference, actually, that he gave regarding capital, social capital, economic ground, you know, looked at up because that's actually the next step about what is then the context and in what kind of context one you want to live, actually. And with what kind of people do you have to integrate? Thank you for this fantastic thing for the theater that you gave us. Thank you for the doll.