 All right, here's a simple step that you can do if you want to lose more body fat, build more muscle or just improve your health. One step. Ready for this? Eat more protein. Eating more protein has been strongly connected to losing more body fat and getting better health and building more muscle. It's a simple step you can take that'll help you pretty much regardless of where your goal is. And this is true for most people. This one is interesting because early on we started the podcast. I was the guy that kept saying that protein isn't the magic macro nutrient. It turns out it might be. The studies keep coming out. It's funny how we had conversations about it in the beginning and I think it's because we came directly from the gym space where you just see like the unnecessary version of that. But your average person, I mean for the most part really under consumed protein. The studies on it with fat loss show that when people simply try to hit more protein, they end up eating less and lose more body fat. And this is a great strategy because it's not a take away. It's more like a just try eating more of this, right? So psychologically it works. It also works physiologically because it suppresses your appetite. Then for muscle building, that's been well established. Everybody knows that. And then there's this new weight loss study that came out. Max Lugovir shared it recently where they had groups of people lose weight, same calories, but one group had a higher protein version of the low calories. The other group had a lower protein version of those calories. The higher protein version had better health markers. So the argument used to be that most of the health marker improvements with weight loss were just from the fat loss. So you eat less calories and lose body fat. So as long as you're hitting your macro nutrient minimums or whatever, it doesn't really make a big difference. It's just law of thermodynamics. Not true. They're showing that a higher protein, same calorie version of a diet is actually better, not just for fat loss, but for health markers as well. Things like insulin sensitivity, glucose, and other blood markers. So eating more protein across the board is good. Now I will say this one little thing I'll add here. Don't try to do this through protein powders. That's the worst way to do this. In fact, I think there's maybe some benefit to doing that, but if it comes from Whole Foods, that's where you're going to reap all these benefits. That was the go-to in the gym. And I think that's what led us to kind of question it a bit in the beginning. Yeah. From Whole Foods sources, obviously that's where we want to steer, buddy. Yeah. No, I challenged this from the very beginning when we talked about it. I remember this was one of the first things that we actually disagreed with on those podcasts. If you go all the way back to the early episodes, we would go back more. Not that I don't necessarily agree with Sal's argument, like I think the point he was making back then was true too, was that there is this massive push just to sell supplements and protein powders and that the fitness community, like they overdo it, they're taking four scoops of protein at a time and like everywhere they go, they got bars and shakes. And so I totally understood the angle he was coming from. But I just remember that general message not being a great one for the majority because most people that I coached and trained, they suffered from this. They didn't get enough protein. And it doesn't, it not only benefits, it benefits both building muscle and fat loss significantly. It's like one of the few things that doesn't bother. Right. So if you're somebody who over consumes, you know, bad calorie, I shouldn't say bad, over consumes any calories, right? You're overeating and you're, and you're putting on, on body fat, focusing on a higher protein diet helps satiate you and keep you from eating more calories, obviously a huge benefit and will help with fat loss. Then in addition to that, it's essential to building muscle. So you cannot build muscle without any protein. You got to have protein in your diet. And we know that there's benefits as you start to go up towards the one to one ratio. And so the more of it you tend to consume, the greater the benefits are towards building muscle. So you have a single macro that is benefited the people that are trying to lose body fat and benefit the people that are trying to build muscle. And I just, it's, I think it's a message that needs to continue to be pushed because still to this day, if I tell somebody, just eat the way you eat, let me see your diet. And I look at it, one of the first things I see as a glaring, obvious direction is to add protein. Even if they're getting the essential amount, there's still room for me to tell them to eat more. And when I tell them to eat more, they tend to eat less of the other. Yeah. Essential protein for most people would be like 40, you know, anywhere between like 30 to 60 grams approaching a day on average. But what we're talking about is studies will show about point six to point eight grams per pound of body weight. That's kind of complicated. Just simplify it. Eat your weight in protein and grams of protein or eat your target weight in grams of protein. I say target weight for people who want to lose a lot of body fat. And or somebody who wants to build a lot, right? So if you're somebody who wants to get to two hundred and twenty pounds and you're the only way to eat for two hundred and twenty grams of protein, right? If you want to lose 30 pounds, aim for that target body weight, but it's going to be high protein regardless. And that has profound fat loss, muscle building and health promoting benefits. And this message needs to be communicated more often now because of the interesting demonization of animal sources of food. It's been somewhat politicized. And look, you can do this through plant sources. It's really hard, though. It's it's you're probably going to want to get a lot of this protein from from animal source. It's really hard to eat 30 or 40 or 50 grams of protein from plant sources without also having a tremendous volume of other things and just total amount of food and maybe digestive issues. Animal sources tend to be best, but it's look, the data is very clear on this and it's a lot of data. It's not a little bit of data. It's a lot of data that supports this. So it's one easy step that you could take, whether you want to lose weight, gain weight, or just improve your health. Just hit those, those protein targets. It's a big one. All right. Today's giveaway maps and a ball like here, say you can win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Also subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We're also running a huge sale this month on some correctional exercise programs, maps, prime, maps, prime pro and the prime bundle all 50% off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Back to the show. So we got home yesterday from Utah, which we packed it all in, man. That little short trap that we took and we did a lot. We did a lot, a lot. By the way, the, we have a place for people don't know. We have a place up in Park City, Utah, and we, we designed it to be like this great place where you could go if you like skiing or hiking or mountain biking or outdoor stuff, but then in the house, we put a gym and red light therapy and sauna and steam room and cold dip and all the stuff that, you know, fitness minded people. So that's what we're up there doing. We're putting more stuff that like that in there and plus also doing some creative stuff behind the scenes that we can't talk too much about. We don't want to ruin the surprise. By the way, we all built the sauna ourselves. We, I don't want anybody expecting it. It might fall apart. Hey, you were overconfident. Oh, well, okay. So I was like 30 minutes will finish. So it came with two days. There's a YouTube video on it, right? Okay. Well, first of all, we had somebody hire to do it. We already know better, right? So like, okay. First of all, we already know better, typically. And so we had someone hired to do it. Now the idea was because we had Eli with us. We have our, you know, videographer, photo guy. I want to get some photos of the house with the lap. This was pretty much the last piece. We have some little things here and there, but this is pretty much the big last piece that's coming into the house. And so we wanted it finished before we left. And so the guy who was scheduled to come do it ended up postponing till that following Saturday. And we're all like, piss, like, dude, we've got to get this done. It's like, okay, we do have a house full of, you know, five dudes. We should be able to put this, you know, Lincoln log type of jacuzzi or I mean, sauna together. And so Jerry sends over a YouTube video of them assembling this thing. And when I watch it, I'm like, oh my God, not a tool is required. And it's going together like butter. And in 12 minutes and 43 seconds, they put the whole thing together from the box to that. Right away, there was a bunch of cuts. So I already knew that was bullshit. Yeah, that was time length and signature length. And that was at least an hour that they condensed down to like 12 minutes. Well, my favorite part is you're the most. Justin is by far the most handy between the three of us. Adam and I are. Yeah. No, I just still try. We're pretty bad. But Justin's the most handy. But nonetheless, we're putting this together. And what makes me laugh is, and this is something that I have to learn over and over again. Anytime I put together one of my kids toys, where I have to build a bed or a piece of furniture, I always have to relearn this every time. If the piece doesn't fit, something's wrong. I don't have to force it. Yeah. But what do we end up doing? Pieces aren't fitting. Justin's down there. Oh, shove it. I'm pulling down. I missed the whole beginning of it. I come in halfway. We were squeezing shit together. Why is this fitting? This is strange. After a certain point, we had built some of it, and then we looked at it and then I looked down and I said, oh shit, I think we did backwards on the base. I'm taking it all apart again. Well, our biggest strength, our weakness, we do things and we do it efficiently, but we go. Like, we don't slow down and take our time, pay attention to all those little details. That's just not our M.O. And so it played out how it was going to play out because I've learned this from construction. It's like, if you don't get that base, that foundation, like completely square and perfect, everything else is going to be fucked by, let's say, a 16th. The now up higher, you get like an eight, now higher. It's an inch and it just keeps getting away from you. So pretty much that was the case. What a great point, Justin, like the things that have served us as successful entrepreneurs, ready, aim, shoot, hurry, just go, you know, get yourself back up. Yeah, I was saying those things have served us really well in business. Well, because in business is no instructions. Well, and in business, you're expected to fail multiple times before success. Here they gave us instructions. So the theory is the way the theory is we operate in this place of like, just go, we're going to fail. We'll figure it out. Fail, we'll figure it out. We'll fail, we'll figure it out. But with something like that, it's like, no, if you actually. It's not supposed to be iterative. No, Justin, it's like building is not iterative. You have a plan. You can't talk about really a new hole or shaving a piece off of the solid. I don't know if we should do that. I know. Well, you know, I'm a problem solver. Like it's not going to be good. But then we're all done, finished finally. Oh my God, so, so elated, right? And then we look over. There's like a bag of like little things that like wedges and stuff. Oh, that would have been helpful for the roof. Well, it's all put together and it's great. It's solid and it's beautiful. Solid. Yeah, so if you visit our place. It's made with love. If you go to visit our place. What's the site for the place, by the way, is it? Minepumpparkcity.com. Minepump, if you go visit the place and you stay there, just know that we put our own blood, sweat and tears and to put in some of that stuff together. So yeah, well, I mean, I really hope that, you know, so we've actually we've talked a little bit about the show. We haven't like really pushed it hard on the show because we wanted to wait till this kind of this last piece. Like it the place is ready to rock as far as, you know, having all the cool amenities that we had planned to be there. And what I hope happens from this process is, you know, like any any business is that we will reiterate some of the things as far as making it better. Like I really want to disrupt this space and do something different than what most people are. So I hope our listeners, and we have actually a lot of listeners that already booked for the rest of the year that go and give us feedback. I hope that it becomes a place that people that like this show that will go there and they come back year after year and every time they do, we've enhanced it. We've made it better. We've added things to it or made the experience better for that person. And so I'm super excited. I've been waiting for this day when we have everything all in there and actually can kind of promote it and talk about it. So can't wait to hear all the feedback. Dude, I came home and this has got to be the best thing. I know you guys also have the same thing, especially when you have little kids for a father who works and comes home or goes on a business trip. The most amazing feeling ever. This is like the best thing in the world. I swear to God, it's probably top three. Is when I come home and I'm driving home. Yeah, and I'm on the phone with my wife on my hand. I'm on my way home right now. Oh, okay, you know, the Aurelius wants to wait by the door. I roll up and he literally runs out to the car and I pick him up and she's got the baby and the baby's smiling. It's like the greatest feeling in the world. This is the best. Oh, it's so amazing. It's always the best, yeah. Until you have teenagers and you come home. Well, I was just gonna say, I was like, I got, which was crazy, they still got that a little bit, you know, how to eat it like, you know, he definitely was like, but it was like, I know that's gonna go away because he does have that too cool kind of thing. But you know, every runs jumps on me. Oh, it's the greatest dude. I saw the video you posted. Yeah, I actually posted. I mean, I had day in the life, right? What a terrible day to have day in the life. The day we're flying, traveling, I'm exhausted. Like, I don't know if you guys saw I had to get on the thing. It's like, sorry. It's like I fell asleep for three hours in the middle of the day. Like it's just like, you know, we did this, we did this. Three hours later. Yeah. I should have done the SpongeBob thing, but yeah, I know so. But when I did go pick Max up, Katrina did film it, right? So we went to his school and to pick him up. And obviously it's- He ran to you, so cute. Oh yeah, dude. And then on top of that, like, he's different that day. Like, and we were prepared for it. So part of like me taking in a nap, like I actually told Katrina, I was like, I need to lay down because I know Max is just gonna wanna be with me the rest of the night. And I won't, and I'll be exhausted. And I don't wanna be the dad who's just like grumpy because I can't have him slept. And so I'm like, go home, let me power nap. So I have a little bit of energy. That way when I see him and he, I'm all excited and we can play and we can do stuff because he is. He's like, he's like full on wanna be and do everything with me. And we took him after being from school. So he was all excited. Then we take him over to the grocery store. Oh my God, the cutest thing ever. I wish I would have caught more footage of this. I recorded a little bit of it, but then the rest of the time I was just experiencing it, which was great. He wanted to help so much that I got him one of those little, the baskets, you know? And the damn basket's ever almost as big as he is, you know? And so he's like carrying it, somewhat dragging it on the grocery floor. Yeah, I'll follow you, you lead the way. Yeah, you got the- Yeah, you want me to carry that or you got it? Okay. And he just did not wanna let it go. And so we started getting stuff and then Katrina went off and did her own thing and then Max and I would go get some things and he wanted me to put it in there. It's so cute. And so it's getting heavier and heavier. And he's like dragging it, like, yeah, you barely do it. I'm like, hey buddy, let me help you. No, no, I got it. I have muscles. And he's like flexing and saying he could do it. I must have got stopped by at least, I don't know, eight or nine people that were like, oh my God, he's so cute. And he was just talking all loud. Like it was, he was talking as if it was just him and I in the grocery store and not paying any attention to anybody else cutting. And I felt so bad, I'm so sorry because he's like dragging his thing, cutting people off, like walking over right where someone is looking for stuff. But everybody, you know, it was really nice because I think, which is great. Like I wasn't dealing with any like 20 year olds or teenagers, everybody were like, probably parents themselves. And so everybody was like super cool with it. And we were like, you know, would you get your kid out of the way with that? All of them were just like, oh my God, he's so cute or interacting with him and talking to him was, it was a good time to do it. Oh man, it was such a good time. You know what else is really fun to watch is and at some point, I mean, not everyone's gonna be able to experience this, but if you have the opportunity to go to an airport with Adam, it is, it's a good time. It is, Adam is not an airport person. What did I do this time? You're just irritated. But then we go to the airport in Salt Lake City and this airport is giant. I hate that airport. It's the worst airport in the country. You'll go in, land in one place and you need to get under the gate and it's a 30 minute walk or 20, like that's what I'm talking about with those moving sidewalks and everything. It is far, so you're like, oh, I got plenty of time. No, you don't. At least get some weird murals for us to look at. Yeah, like something like crazy apocalyptic, like I'm interested in that. We go through security and Justin and I was, yeah, you and I were kind of there first or whatever and we're waiting and we're like, where's Adam? Like, I swear he's watching, he's gonna walk up, he's gonna be so mad. Sure enough, we see you walking for a lady. You're so pissed off because it was a distance. She's definitely has a type of a game. It's anger lock. Yeah. I mean, I get now. Fuck this airport. I've flown out of that place so many times now that I just, I get irritated being there. I mean, when we got, when we landed, remember we landed, so we're, I mean, you know, when you're coming in on the plane, you know, when it gets, you know, down to a certain level, you can already pick up the cell phone towers. So you're like already texting and stuff, right? So you guys are all like, where are you guys at? And I'm like, I was still coming down from, you know, and I was like, oh, I'm landing now. And then like, I don't know, about five minutes later, Doug's like, oh, I'm not far behind. I'm coming down now too. So I landed, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes before Doug or so, give or take, and then still took another. But your gate was like, on the other side. Oh, bro. And then, and they, the plane, you think a bus from the middle of nowhere to get to the actual airport to then walk for another 30 minutes. It's a, it's the worst airport. You know, it's bad when. It's, bro, LAX is the worst airport. I don't, I disagree. LAX in general, because it's like so packed and busy, it's like San Francisco is like the two. I hate that. It's always under construction. But the way the airport is designed is the worst there. It's just a stupid design. It's literally, instead of like a spoke, like I think most airports are where it's the hub, and then you have all the A, B, C, and it's like a spoke. There's just like- Did you look it up? Is it just long or something? I don't need to look it up. I walked it a million times. I don't know what the fuck it looks like. It's all full. It mapped it out like one of those hours, when I got my GPS, when I got my boarding pass on the way home, I don't know if I told you guys this or not, but she's like, where are you going to? And I go San Jose, California, like that. And she prints it off and she goes, oh, you're B1. It's gonna feel like you're walking to California, by the way. That's what she said to me when I walked away. I'm like, that's when you know it's bad when they say shit like that to you. It's like, oh, you're gonna feel like you walked to California. Oh, bro, it is. It's a hike, but you get your steps and everything. But it's good, you need to know this because if you think you got time to get your gate, you don't. Yeah, so that Doug, let me see that. Is that what it looks like right there? Yeah, so you have Concourse A, which is just one long, long strip. And then you have an underground thing that takes you to Concourse B, which is another long strip. It doesn't look super, it doesn't look like it's shaped. Yeah, because it's shrunk down 1,000 times. So what you don't know is the difference between Concourse A and just to B is like four miles. That's from space. It's like the worst satellite view. When's it in Utah? When's it in those things? It's awful, man. Wow, wow. But I thought I was pretty calm this time. I was like, what's he talking about? You were, you were more calm than I was. Yeah, we were fine. Everybody left at a reasonable time, you know what I'm saying? Like everybody got to me. I almost killed Doug and Eli, but I didn't have all my caffeine yet. And I didn't realize they were in the car. Justin never drives. It's always me who drives. And I was like, that's why he was in good mood. Oh, hey. Maybe you're right. Justin's good, dude. Oh, maybe you're right. Maybe I need to drive less. I was trying to bring Adam's stress levels down. Increased at the beginning. Well, they were behind the car, and it was like a suburban. The trunk was open. By the way, if you try to reverse with the trunk a little bit, the camera you can't see, and the car beeps. But the last Justin starts backing up. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Well, that's weird. We didn't have the car. Yeah, I almost killed him. No, everybody survived, and we're good. Yeah, we're good. Nobody died. I mean, I was eggs. I'm still tired. Super tired. I didn't realize. We put a lot of energy into it. I mean, whenever we're doing something creative, and we haven't done this in a while together, but when we do, it's a lot of energy. It really requires a lot of energy and thinking and just putting it out there. And we did a lot of work. We're telling a bunch of bitches, dude. There's dudes out there digging ditches in like 120 degrees. Like, it's such hard work. We have to sit in an air-conditioned. I'm not going to confirm myself crying out. That's true. That's true. Different work. But you know, honestly, though, to defend it, it's different, right? Because I've done, I did manual labor growing up, and I've had some grueling, crazy days of like laborious work, right, especially working the dairy and doing crazy shit out there. And this is different. It's the, and I never experienced this when I was younger, where I did something that takes so much mental capacity, right, and so much out of your thinking. Like, I don't, I literally, after I leave from a trip like that with us, I just, I don't want to talk or think much. You know what's weird about it? This is what I, I come up with. My brain is mush, for the most part. You know what's weird about it? Is that your body isn't tired. Right. In fact, your body needs to move, because we haven't been doing less. And that, and that. But your mind is fatigued. Which, by the way, makes for shitty sleep. It's a shitty feeling. It's a, you can't sleep very well, because the body's not exhausted enough that it needs to like, settle it down, but your brain is exhausted. So then you even have this problem with kind of falling asleep, I found. Like, that's part of why. I'll feel like that sometimes being in here too long, with the lights, and you know, just sitting here, you know, doing podcast after podcast. I'll leave, and I can tell, my body needs to move. But I'm mentally fatigued, and it doesn't feel good. You know, it's like, get me outside. So I wish, if we ever open another one of these studios, or whatever, build one. I want a sunroof. I want a sunroof. Yeah, big skylights in here. I love that. Won't work on camera, Doug. Yeah. Did you guys, I know I brought it up on the drive home, and we talked a little bit about it, but I wanted to talk more about it. And I wanted to know if anybody actually researched it more or looked more into it. But I saw a post the other day about the AI that China is doing with children in schools right now. And there are these AI headbands. Oh, that's crazy. The kids wear headbands all day. They have chips in their clothes. So they're monitoring heart rate, temperature, movement. Brain waves. Brain waves, focus, eye tracking, and all that. The headband will light up and let the instructor know if the student is engaged or not engaged, and they'll connect it to other biomarkers. And they're literally creating, using AI to find ways of manipulating or controlling these kids to produce the outcomes that they want. Really crazy. Really crazy. And they're rating them based on how well they're paying attention and staying focused. And it's scary because it's going to set a new precedent. If, let's say, that's successful, and people think that this is a good thing, that parents are going to be like, yeah, well, I have to to keep up. So that's what I was saying on the car ride, right? To you guys when Sal's like, oh, that is crazy. That's going to backfire. It's going to be all this bad shit afterwards. I'm like, well, I don't know. First of all, it was voluntary. Tons of parents already volunteered their kids to do this. It was all voluntary in the first place. If the outcome is to your point, which I think will, is I think kids will learn faster and be smarter. And all these things that they're looking for will happen. What makes you think that it's not going to be adopted by even more people and not be pushed? Well, if the AI is ultimate tiger mom software. So here's the deal. If the AI is really intelligent. Are you looking at it, Doug? No, I'm checking something else here. I'm born hubby. Way to go. Just let us work over here though. Yeah, it does. If the AI is really good and intelligent, what I think it's going to start to figure out, because initially you think, oh, they're going to try and control these kids. They're just going to try and force them to do more. But if the AI is smart enough, it's going to see that that's not working. And it's going to start to realize that creative time alone, play, music contributes to better learning and better innovation and creativity. We haven't been able to quantify this, but I think AI may be able to. Like we've made a huge mistake where, if you look at schools now, we thought we knew what was important. And we took out stuff that we thought wasn't important. So kids are not active. Kids aren't playing music. They're not learning other languages. We're making them sit down and focus and try and learn a particular way. And what's happened is reduced of innovation. You're getting kids who are feeling disenfranchised. And entrepreneurs and innovators tend to be different. Creative thinkers tend to be different. And so we may be crushing a lot of people with that approach. I'm wondering if AI will pick up on that. If it's intelligent enough to see, oh, you know what? These children's brains actually work better when we do this, that, whatever. It kind of reminds me of when we revisited the work week to see productivity and how they experimented with reducing that substantially and then found better output. But then also too, it took a little bit away from the amount of volume of things a kid accomplished. And so it's like kind of that dance of how much can you do effectively at once versus stay focused on very few things. And I'm wondering if, even with that technology, like monitoring these kids, how much can we bombard them with before they like fry out? And that's my concern is these kids are like sort of the beta testers of this whole thing. And they may crank it up to a level where they're going to be psychologically damaged. So here's the bad side of it that I could see on the good side. The bad side of it for me, I don't think necessarily they're going to hammer these kids to fry them because the AI would show productivity is coming down. So that's not the part necessarily. The part that I'm more worried about is the data that they're going to get on humans. And the way that they're going to figure out how to control people and how that may be used in the future. So that's the only negative thing actually I really see is now the power to condition young minds. Because they'll know exactly how much time, exactly how much they'll know which one's rebelling or being distracted or which ones are following suit. Like, yeah, no, that's, I mean, there's obviously that part of it that I think has got. But I mean, I think it's going to end up getting adopted. I think it's going to get praised. Yeah, so think of a future like this, right? In the past, totalitarian regimes and control was very forceful. But imagine using AI and AI figures out how to get the outcome without you feeling like you're oppressed or being forced by simply manipulating you with the right imagery, music, stimulation, whatever, neurochemicals. So the whole time you're like, I'm not being, this is what I want to do or actually feel this way. This is cool. So that's where I think it could be really interesting. And then people in control of that will have lots of crazy power. For people who think that it won't go in that direction, if I thought it, they did. And I don't have bad intentions, so we'll see. Well, I mean, marketing companies and I mean, there's been a lot of that, what do they call that? Like when you have like images, imagery and like commercials and things that are like, you know, subconscious subliminal messaging, right? Like in things like that where we've been experimenting with the human psychology for so long now to have like AI and all that on top of what we've already learned from just human psychology behavior is going to be crazy. What do you guys think about the new Apple courts? Have you guys seen that? Doug, exit out of your back door bandits and look up Apple courts for us, please. If you insist. Hope to, hate to pull you away from what you got going on there, but could you pull us in the front? Yeah, he was robbing that guy. You know what's funny about that? I 100% would bet money it's a real title. I guarantee that it's just somewhere. I guarantee it. I actually think that's where I got it from. I think I heard it a long time ago or seen it a long time ago. I'm sure that's a real thing. It's called Apple courts. It's I think the courts is the the codename for it. It's AI coaching that Apple is working on and going to roll out soon, which is going to use all the data that they've been collecting with all the heart coaching. Yes. Oh, yes. All right. Well, here's the thing about it until it figures out the psychological piece, it's not going to do shit. Of course, it's just going to give a lot of information. So I think it'll become it'll probably be utilized by human coaches who understand how to build connection and that kind of stuff. At some point, the AI will learn that, too. I mean, isn't it kind of isn't this the normal evolution of all things really like this, like the new technology, new, new, better ways come in and then the cream rises the top still. So it eliminates the majority or replaces the majority, which forces the competition to elevate their level or get outcompeted by this new thing. And then that cream rises and then a new technology again. And then it just keeps. So, I mean, that's kind of how I feel. But I mean, I think that this is going to really make our space very competitive for somebody that isn't at the top as far as their knowledge, their abilities. Like if you're kind of just put out a cookie cutter diet, a cookie cutter workout program, I give people basically cookie cutter Google. All that? You're done? Yeah. If you're not the kind of trainer or coach that we talk about where you connect with people, you know how to guide them, not just telling them what to do. If you're not that trainer, and you're the one that gives them workouts and meal plans and tells them what to do, just does that, you're done. These will crush you and they're gonna be free or almost free. Now, if you're the kind of coach that connects with people, knows how to guide people, help them develop relationships with exercise and nutrition that will be with them for the rest of our life, you're safe until AI is indistinguishable from humans, but that gives you some time. So those coaches are gonna be fine and they'll be able to use this stuff to maximize what they do. Like if you're a good trainer or coach, you'll be able to use something like this to really kick ass. I mean, when you see, okay, we just had a great little thing that we just had side note with chat GBT stuff and the things that we're working on with this business behind the scenes. You already see the power of it to be able to give you a great answer to some of that. Imagine that integrated with this. You gotta think that Apple is working on that already. I mean, will this coach not be that? I mean, this coach could be pretty good. If it's using, I mean, let's be... It'll tell you what to do, but you have to wanna do it. That's the part that's the challenge. I mean, of course, but that's the same challenge. Always, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, but I mean, it could easily dominate the market. It could easily be 80% of the support for most people. I mean, that'd be that that they would receive and it's better than what they were currently getting elsewhere, you know? Yeah, I could see this being used by health companies, medical companies. If they do a good job, this should be able to tailor medications and treatments and other ways of augmenting your treatment. It should be, because it'll be so individualized. And right now, that's like a big missing piece with the medical system is that individualization. So this may be like quite transformative. What do you think does? I'm thinking of other things right now. Oh, you're still thinking of your... Adam's gonna keep calling it. He had that look like he actually had something on his mind. Obviously did. Not what we were talking about. You know what he's thinking? He's like, Adam's an Adam. Adam made me close out that fucking... Isn't that so? Hey, so, hey, speaking of A, speaking of AI, this is fucked up. This is terrible. I saw this on Instagram. Yeah, let's talk about this. And until people catch on, this is gonna get a lot of people. So they have AI, you know, bots or whatever online that can mimic any voice that's online. So you could show it a sample, it'll mimic it perfectly. So here's what some seriously disgusting people have done. They've taken voices off of people online and then called their family members with that voice and fooled them into thinking that person was dying or in major danger. Like they would show this mom, she was crying because she thought her daughter was kidnapped and the daughter was like, mom, I need help. And you hear your own kid's voice on the phone saying, mom, I need help. Please give me some money, whatever. And terrible. It's terrible. And this is like... So scary. Yeah, and you said, you know somebody. So, it was so funny because you sent this over to us. I hadn't heard this yet. You sent it to all of us like, beware just so you know. And so, and I told you guys like, okay, I have this idea like, I'll come up with a family password, right? So now that anybody in our family will only know this password. So if you ever get some like crazy, alarming phone call from me, just go, oh my God, that's crazy. What's the password? And if I can't give it to you, then yeah, it's not me, right? Yeah, it's popcorn, real hard. Thanks. So I'm telling Katrina this. And Katrina's like, oh my God. She goes, while you were gone, my mom called me and said, you need to watch out for this. I know somebody and she tells her the story of some girl who was taking advantage or a mom that was taking advantage of saying her daughter was kidnapped. Oh my God. And said that, you know, now luckily the mom called the daughter right away and the daughter was like, what are you talking about? I'm doing it like, she was like busier with that. But the fact that it would fool the mother of the child. I can't imagine. Can you imagine being on the phone and hearing your kid's voice say that? Even if it's for five seconds? Well, and by the way, those are extreme things that really wake people up. Once you get some scammers that are a little smarter and more sophisticated, it won't be that crazy. Oh yeah. They'll set a trap. Yeah, it'll be easy. They'll just be like, hey, mom, I'm over this. I'm over this. Okay, and they'll hang up and then they'll call back. And they'll be like, oh my God. I forgot the pin number. Yeah, I forgot the pin number of this. And then it'll get you real good. So that's obviously somebody who calls and says they're kids for ransom or does something crazy. Like, okay. That might hit one. That's a good point. For any information that could be damning through the phone, they should probably have a password. No, that's, so I gave it Katrina already. We came up with one. I said, when we have your next family meeting, we all get together. We'll share in person with all of them that, hey, going forward family, when we are to discussing bank account stuff, money stuff, helping each other, anything that we're giving personal information over the phone, we should just have a family password that you just, you know, ask them real quick. Oh, before you give me that, what was the family password? And just because it's especially my family who's connected to me because to your point, we have so much recorded content that you can use everything that we have out there and piece together almost any conversation easily. Maybe not so much for Katrina, but definitely with my voice, they could easily get somebody in my family. Dude, we've come a long way since like the scam of the Nigerian Prince and it's literally where we are now, dude. Like they're mimicking our serious family. Like it's crazy. Oh, I didn't even think of that. Hey, honey, what's your social security number again? Oh, it's gonna be, yeah, when you told me, like I wasn't thinking like, oh my God, life-threatening sounds like, bro, this is gonna be like, I got stuck on the life-threatening stuff because I was imagining my kid coming. No, of course. I know where your brain goes right away, where my mind goes like, oh, you know what they're gonna do? No, they're gonna do simple stuff. You seem like a criminal. Yeah. He's like, I know what I would do. Yeah, well, how you, yeah, and the way you set a trap like that is not by asking for the clothes right away. You do a simple call is, hey, mom, heading down to the bank, I'm gonna swing by that, then we go do this, and then you do like the more sophisticated question that the mom has already just talked to you. You set up the dominoes, so you can get into the real world. Yeah, so I mean, for anyone listening, I think that- Do that with your family. Yeah, do that with your family. Have a password anytime you talk about it. By the way, they probably don't even need to go, if they really want to target you, they can have you answer the phone, get your voice sample, and then, you know what I mean? So you might not even need to be online. Yeah, who knows. That's already happening. That's already happening? Yeah, so I'm looking, reading interesting stuff about this, and all kinds of CEOs, hundreds of thousands of dollars have been scammed and stuff, but a big strategy is they'll call you with an unknown number or a scam number, they'll wait for you to speak, and then they'll record your voice, and they only need like a few seconds. Wow. And then they have it, and then they'll now know who you are, your number, and then they'll target someone in your family. I'm gonna start making fake voices, so many problems. Hey! What's up, huh? You know what I mean? Just start talking weird on the phone. No, I mean, the move is a password, and I just, how weird is that? That that's gonna be a thing in the future? 100% it's gonna be a thing. It will be a thing. Because these guys are right now making money doing this, but they're not in a couple, in a few months, everyone's gonna figure this out, you know, our year or whatever. And so that's the way to stop it is to, you know, you just, but I mean, you gotta discipline yourself, it'll be interesting the first time that's happening. Yeah, but whatever guy like pretends to be you, and just like gets a job somewhere like over the phone, and like creates an entire identity as you, operating as you, and then, you know, you don't see it till you're doing your taxes or whatever later. I don't know, dude, there's just so many ways, like somebody could use your voice and likeness in so many directions. Well, and how inconvenient that's gonna be like, obviously we're sharing the stuff about our family, because it's the people closest that we care about, but Jesus, I have phone calls with so many business people where I'm exchanging personal information or talking about bank accounts. So it's like, the future is I'm gonna have to do that with everybody who I connect that way with. With any sensitive information. Yeah, imagine, I mean, in person, off air we were just talking about real estate deal going on right now. Imagine if I call Debbie and I have to be like, hey Debbie, what's the password before I give you our information about the business and stuff like that, and she says, then she relays it to me, then I can proceed and give it to her. Otherwise, what if I'm giving it to some random person? Like, that's good. I don't have enough clips of our voices. I'm glad we're not that public. Our last and everything. Dude, speaking of hacks, I watched this, this is something short, but it was hilarious. This dad, there was this page on Instagram with like dads or whatever. And this dad's like, I got this great hack when you want to get your kid to stop watching TV. He goes, when they're not paying attention, I switch the language to Spanish. And then when my kid goes, I can't understand daddy. He's like, it's because you're too tired when he comes. It's because you're too tired. Why are they talking like that? Oh, we got to turn it off. You're too tired to get to stand on TV anymore. I'm going to do that when I get home. I'll put on Spanish. I'm getting tired. Let's see if my kid notices. No, I'm not saying y'all are. I thought that was hilarious. Anyway, I wanted to talk about, so one of the peptides I've been using, people have been asking me, because I've been mentioning, I've been taking these peptides and testing them out. And I have now have done this particular peptide for a while. And I can say, hands down, one of the most effective compounds I've ever used, C, I've talked about this on the podcast before. Yeah, just starting that. Bro, it is... Oh, you started? Yes. Did you try it already? And Doug too, right? I did it. Doug didn't like it. I had a reaction, so I had to stop. Oh, see, I wonder if it's going to be like me. On your skin. So sometimes you get a reaction like in your skin or something. Yeah. So then that depends. Some peptides can do that with something. That was my test of moral and I tried that and I had a rash. Oh, interesting. Like localized reaction. Oh, interesting. Okay, I haven't had anything yet. But did you just try the matzi yet? I just today. Just this morning? Yeah, just today. Okay, so it's pretty remarkable. So the muscles produce it when they exercise. And it tells your mitochondria to uptape more glucose. It also lowers myostatin. So if you look at, so build muscle, burn body fat, more stamina. Animal studies, when they give it to mice, have dramatically more stamina. And then they also had mice where they fed them a very high calorie diet and the mice wouldn't gain body fat. So pretty wild. Interesting. Yeah. And so I told you guys, I love it because it gives me very good, clean, amazing energy. Yeah. I also feel like I just stay leaner, easier. I'm looking forward to that point. Is it, do you feel it's like a compounding thing where like it takes a little bit of time to be in your system? Or do you, is it like I take it and then that day I should notice it? So I know, so the first day I kind of felt a little bit more energized. Then, so the way that the dosing schedule was, it was three days a week for the first, I think four weeks and then once a week afterwards, as I believe. The first day I kind of felt a little bit of energy I thought but it was kind of subtle. By Wednesday and then again by Friday, I was like, oh my God, I got way more. To the point where I was like, am I going to have trouble sleeping? But I still slept okay. And then I just felt great the whole time. Just really good. So by the end of the first week, I could really tell. Okay. You did it this morning? This morning, yeah. Okay. So just, you know, starting to feel things. Yeah. Really interesting. But, you know, again, for people, peptides go through a doctor and a pharmacy. I'm hearing horror stories of people. There was one person who commented, who was on a peptide, didn't see any changes in their blood markers. And people were like, where did you get your peptide from? He's like, oh, research chemical company. They're like, you probably got nothing or who knows what you got. So he had to throw it away. I wonder how much, what a difference this makes like each person, like, I mean, I feel like Doug and I are kind of similar when they, especially with like the cognitive stuff. Like, I mean, you were raving about C-Max and I think Dihexa. And like, I ran C-Max for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I ran both of those. Didn't really feel much. And then we just had a week where we were gone and I didn't have any of them with me. And I didn't feel like I would crash right in. There's an interesting individual variance. You know, that's what Jay was telling us. Jay Campbell was telling us too. Same thing. He says that some people with the MOTC can tell a big difference. Other people, not necessarily. Yeah. I noticed a huge difference. The C-Max, I noticed a pretty big difference. I can tell when I go off. Yeah. I'm not as sharp when I go off. Yeah. So far, the BPC-157? You noticed a big difference. Yeah. That I noticed for sure when I did that one a lot. Dihexa kind of not really, nothing bad from those. And it's hard, right? Because I typically, before I talk about any sort of supplement or peptide or anything that I'm taking, I like to try it, not try it for a while, try it. Like, I like to have a couple. And I really feel like the coming off of it, not using it for a while, comparing and contrasting to me, is the best way for me to decide if something is really working for me is that. You know what, along that line. So I tried Tesla Fensin, which I was very sensitive to. I actually had to stop taking it. Lots of people love it. Say it's the greatest, amazing. I feel great. Lots of energy, good mood. I'm sharp. I was very sensitive to it. I actually stopped taking it because it made me feel like, just not good. Too amped. Like, uncomfortably so. So I had to go off of it. So that's the thing is that you might have some bio-individuality with this kind of stuff. Anyway, speaking about people we work with or mention, your suits looks, OK, you have how many suits from State and Liberty? State and Liberty? I think nine now. Did you get one from them? Nine. No, I haven't yet. I got to go get fitted. Yeah, and like Adam's always showing up to the live events, like upstaging us now. And they're like, oh man, I guess we got our suits from them. So the back story on them, they've been one of my favorite, creating a partnership. We always talk about on the show how we don't just take a partnership, that we meet the CEOs, and we do this kind of courting process. I mean, we've been technically courting them for over a year now. I remember when I first came across their stuff. So one of their people that worked for them is a huge fan of the show and reached out one time to me and said, hey, I'd loved it. And they sent over some shirts to us. Shirts are rad. Sat here for probably, I don't know how many months. I think it was Doug who first opened it up and made a comment about like, oh my god, I really like this. Then I tried it. I'm like, oh my god, I really like this. Then I finally got something from them, fell in love with all their button-up shirts, their polo shirts. All their stuff is amazing. And then got in contact, got a chance to hit it off with the founders and ex-NHL player, athletic fit dude, just couldn't find. Well, so that's the thing that's different because you could literally, if you're fit, so if you work out, you know this, if you're a guy, buying suits is a pain in the ass. Especially around the neck. Yeah, they're not built for guys with wide shoulders, small waist, bigger arms. You always have to, it just never fits right. You'll never get a suit off the rack. I could get a suit off the rack with them because they're designed for athletic bills and it fits like it was taken. It hugs it, yeah. So that's the same thing with their shirts and their pants. So well, I don't know if you guys know that. I just got back last month from Austin when I went out there for my nephew's wedding and he's a bit of a last minute guy and was calling me because he knew that we were connected to them and said, hey, I wanted to order a suit for them for the wedding. I'm like, isn't your wedding like in two weeks, bro? I'm like, so the last minute to get a suit for your wedding, bro, let me see what I can do. They actually were able to ship him a suit that he was able to wear off the rack and it looked amazing. They're incredible. The team over there is awesome. We're finally working with them and it was a great relationship for us as far as the building process to get there because I love this part when I meet another company that's like this too where they're like, listen, when we first started talking it was literally just kinda hooking each other up and helping each other and it's like, listen, I mean, one day maybe we'll do a formal business deal and we'll make money off of it but for now, I love your product. I like what you guys are about. I really like the founder and so for like almost a year we were just kinda plugging each other, helping stuff out and now it's like a formal business partnership that we have with them and so launching this or kicking this off formally for me is really cool because it's been like a year in the making. Dude, you said launching, you just reminded me. So you wanna talk about, I can't think of a better example of how biased and crazy and fake the media is than the way that they covered the SpaceX launch. Crazy. So I did not know this. I read, probably like you guys in articles it said SpaceX launch goes up on flames or rocket explodes. That's the titles, right, of these articles. Like, oh man, they kinda had a failure that kinda sucks or whatever. The odds that they would get the rocket off the ramp or off the base or whatever was like 50-50. Like the goal was just to get it to launch. That would have been a huge success. Not only did it launch but it went up a significant distance and then it did explode like they expected but it was a massive success. But the media covers it as this terrible horrible failure. So crazy to me. It's so wild. So I listened to a podcast where they were discussing what they've been able to accomplish. They've been able to take the cost of flying a couple tons up to space, take that price down by like 50 times, like lower it by a factor of 50. Which means that the cost of delivering goods travel, they're like you could travel to Tokyo in like three hours with what they're doing. Look at it, look at it. Jugs pulling all these articles up that are talking about it. Look at that, SpaceX Starship blew up after launch. It also caused catastrophic damage on the ground. By all measures, this was a massive success for SpaceX. You hear them talking about like, oh my God it was. I just read articles all the time. It was like Mashable, TechCrunch, like all these like tech magazines like we'll find any and every opportunity to just throw shade and just dig. And even, you know, especially Twitter and all that kind of stuff. But like, this just again is another huge example of that. It's so weird. I mean, it was all in that Sal's talking about and I had the same experience because it happened right, I think while we were in Utah, right? It happened when we were in Utah. And I saw the articles next day come out and I, you know, guilty. I saw the headlines, didn't read deeper, dive into it and just assume like, oh man that sucks for Elon. Like those huge failure. And then I'm watching all in podcast this morning. They have the guys in there that are, you know, one of them is a major investor and other guys, one of the guys, engineers I think in the company. And they're like, damn near in tears because they're so emotionally excited to happen. It's like, this will become one of the most monumental days in history in pursuit of like space travel because of the technology that we proved already and what we're gonna be able to build on. And then they actually explain the process of when you launch a rocket that is completely new technology, the learning curve of that like you is going to blow. You have a one goal, which is like, can we get it off the platform? Can we get it here? And then you get data each time. And this is how you iterate. So yeah, you're able to quantify that. So they exceeded, they exceeded like their stock explode. Everybody thinks exploded because investors know like, oh, this is a huge success. The media covered it like it was this terrible thing. It's so crazy the like the media bias against Elon Musk is really interesting and strange. Like for people who don't think that there's a bias just look at the media. It's really strange. He used to be like the media darling because he was like pro green energy. It was really the instant Twitter and all that became an interest to his, everybody turned on him. It's so crazy. I don't know. I'm mad at myself for not going with my gut and betting more on that guy because I even have allowed the media to like probably, you know, persuade me to not like continue to double and triple down on him. Because where Tesla is going, I mean think of you invest in Tesla just three, four years ago, like where you'd be at SpaceX, same thing, Twitter probably, soon you mentioned in San Francisco that they just passed those automatic cars, the automated tax service taxis. Doug, maybe you can find it in San Francisco. There's a company that just got approval. Okay, so how is that going to happen? Like with the integration with, I asked you guys before, like, how long were like horse and buggies on the road at the same time? I know, you're driving next to a car or taxi that doesn't have anybody in it. Like this is going to be really weird. Literally pick you up and drive around, all automated, all self-driving and it's going to be happening in the city alongside. Like now or is that like the first approval process? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I'm not mistaken, maybe Doug could see, no, that's not, look up a news articles around this, Doug. If you go to the top, you could click. Well, that said something there, there it goes. News. Oh, look at that one. NPR, NPR, driver's tax, driver's tax. That's the 2022 article there. Okay, okay. Yeah. Maybe click on news, but it's pretty wild. According to this article I read, like this is happening and it's happening very soon. That's going to be really weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole new dimension to, you know, what we have out there to access. Like I, I mean, Uber was a huge thing, right? And then now it's like, well, what if we don't need drivers? We just, That was in the BBC in 2022. So I heard that they already have data on it. So I heard someone talking, I think I sent the article, Justin was the only one that commented on it about Tesla stock still going to be worth 10x more in the next five years. And one of the reasons why is because they're leading the way on these driverless cars. And I guess they already have data on the likelihood of a crash in half a million miles, the human versus the Seltra. And it's like, It's way different. Dwarfs, yeah. Dwarfs it. Of course. Like the human error like eliminates so much. Yeah. And if that's true, and they, and they build off of that, like it's going to happen a lot sooner than I anticipated because it was like a major difference. It was like, it was something like, I believe it did driving around and just seeing traffic and how it starts and like my frustration with that. It's all human error. Yes, it's human error. Yeah. You know, people don't realize just how much it's going to change society. Like, first of all, the car itself. God, I love driving. The car itself is going to change. I like to drive, dude. I'm going to make you into driving. Think about it this way. Like when you get in a car, it's driver centric, right? You have your driver, your passenger. Yeah, I'll never be like that again. It's not going to look like that. I already thought about it right now. When we were talking about this and we're driving from Utah, I thought the way it's going to be designed is you two would have been turned around and we'd all be facing like in a. You'll get a meeting car or a restaurant car. Or a music car or whatever you want. It's not going to look anything like. Nobody cares about that. I mean, too, they're probably not going to want to give you access to a wheel, you know? Because then that'd be a liability for the company. Yeah, what is that? I mean, I'm trying to think of another example of where we've seen something like just go away, the horse and carriage in the automobile. I mean, were there a bunch of people that are like, man, I like to sit on the wagon and hold the reins. I'm going to miss that. Like, is there always that? Like, am I that guy right now where I'm like, man, I love. I just really miss the smell. Yeah, yeah, no, seriously. Was it like that? I have a deep connection with my horse. I actually, I really like to drive, you know, hence why I'm into cars and stuff like that. I love, I actually enjoy driving. You're going to meet people that like horses now. You're going to have like a stable car. Yeah, I got the car. That's kind of a question. My property will have like its own little in the lap. I'm going to drive around my car. Yeah, we drive around my property. That's it. We're going to drive my cars. Sweet. Remember guys, remember? That will suck. That will suck, dude. That's going to suck. Or, you know, to your point though, maybe there will be just like you would with a horse go somewhere back country right over there. There'll be designated roads where self-driving cars are a rally, tracks and stuff. Well, I mean, it's going to make shipping super inexpensive. It's going to take away the fatalities in driving. Drunk driving, is it going to probably exist anymore? Right? You'll be able to get out of a car totally drunk. They'll probably be bars. They're probably going to be cars. You have to be 21 or older and you can get in there and drive around the city while drinking. That's going to be so funny. That's crazy. It's going to be so funny. You know what I'm saying? I found a recent article here. They've completed thousands of journeys in San Francisco, taking people to work, to school and to and from dates. They have also proven to be a glitchy nuisance, snarling traffic and creeping into hazardous terrain such as construction zones and down power lines. So they have a lot of glitches and things right now. You want to know what's funny? I bet you. So here's what's interesting about this, right? I bet you, I'm guessing, I don't know this. But if you look at the percentage of their cars that did that with the amount of miles they drove, probably less accidents and less mistakes than the humans would. But because it's one company, one of the cars took down a power line, you know? Well, that's the staff that this executive gave. I don't remember in relation to the company who they were with them, but they were rattling off all this stuff that I just didn't know. And you know, I assumed one of the hardest hurdles was going to be that, yeah, that they could prove that this automated vehicle would be a better driver than a human being that would have instinct to react. But they basically are proving that. They're showing that, you know, this automated car drives X amount of like millions of miles before it has its first hiccup where it does some of that, where a human has it way. And I wonder how many times it repeats the same mistake or they, you know, go back to reiterate, they make sure they reinforce the code, learns from it, and so then it's going forward, never repeats the same. You know, in the past, you mentioned how people reacted to cars. Did you know that they thought that if a person went faster than 60 miles an hour, I think it was, that they would die? It was like a belief. They're like, yeah, no, no, you can't go that fast. Your body can't maintain. It was 88 miles an hour, back to the future they gave. You cannot go over 88 miles an hour or you'll go back in time. Yeah. There probably was like a belief that there were air tracks. I swear to God, somebody made like a fast train or a car and people were like freaking out. Yeah, imagine that if you had something like that where, you know, at that time. I feel like that one. The fastest, like, what's the fastest animal on the planet at that time was like a cheetah or something like that, Ruggard? Like, man, imagine if you ever traveled 70, that would be. Your head would explode. Yeah. We have any shout outs? So a shout out today, obviously when we started this, the idea was to shout out more than just people. We shout out people on Instagram a lot, but I also wanted to shout out like articles that we read or a book. I hadn't been reading that much and so I hadn't much to share on that. But I have been lately on our flights, I did. And Mike Matthew, so shout out to Mike who shared this over to me the other day. And it was, the book is called Die Was Zero and the author is Bill Perkins. And it's just, I think it's a really good read. It's just, it's a different thought process around saving money and spending money. I have a lot of respect for Mike. Almost every book he's ever referenced to me, I've thoroughly enjoyed. And so of course I gave this one a shot. I'm almost done with it and it's been a great read. So check that book out. Hey, check this out. Continual glucose monitors can be used to monitor your glucose and then attach those to things like cravings, how you feel, the foods you eat to help you eat a diet that is great for fat loss. Now here's the challenge. How do you put all that together to help yourself get to the point where you just eat healthy and you feel great? Well, work with Nutrisense. This is a company that uses CGMs with certified nutrition experts to help you lose body fat, feel better, improve your health and get better glucose measurements. In other words, improve your insulin sensitivity. Go check them out. Go to Nutrisense.io forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump and get $30 off. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Patrick from Texas. Patrick, what's happening? How can we help you, man? Hey, first of all, well, my question is, I don't know how to turn the switch off. Real quick, my background, I'm 42 years old. I'm five foot six, 150-ish pounds. I bury a lot. I am with you, Acala. I'm a hybrid athlete. I run a lot, cycle a lot, and I lift a lot of weight. So I have a lot of passions. Age 40, 2020, when I broke loose, I was diagnosed with cancer. I went six months through the chemotherapy and thanks to you guys, you kept me going and I still worked out. Did a lot of band workouts that y'all recommended because the gyms were closed. And so got through chemo November, 2020 and started lifting weights again because I got a home gym and everything. And I instantly started training for my marathon. So I have the passion of lifting weights and running a lot. So I know when I need to rest, but I go in the gym and I start lifting to go easy and next thing I know, I'm running. The gym is split, not super loud and I'm waking up my neighbors and I don't know how to turn that switch off. You're talking wrong people. Yeah, I know. And that's why I like y'all's mindset of like go easy for the best results and see, I kind of have that. I want to go hard on everything. Yeah, this is obviously not a results driven relationship you have with exercise. So let me, by the way, congratulations on beating cancer. I'm glad to hear that you got through that, especially during that weird time when you're probably not able to be around a lot of people. So that's a good job. It still worked. Good, okay, well, good. I tell you, you gotta figure out what you're running from when you're working out like that. That's really the only way you're gonna be able to turn that switch off. Otherwise, this is your drug and you're using your drug to, I don't know, run from something, medicate yourself, numb yourself, distract yourself. So go ahead. Here's my thing. I did back from my 20s and early 30s, I did party a lot, I drank a lot and around 35, I found fitness. I've always worked out and whatnot, but I like found fitness and I just quit drinking. And then I kind of went moderate, I cycled a lot and lifted weights, but once I got through with chemotherapy, that's when I started going hard. Like I jumped from chemo to training for the marathon and like I said, lifting weights and I just didn't know how to turn it off. Before cancer, I did, now I can't. And I think some of it is trying to prove to myself that I can still do stuff at my age and after what I've been through. But I just, I can't figure out how to turn it off. Yeah, man, look. Stop listening to slipknot, first of all. As much as we all love that. I mean, switch it over to Salza Inya playlist, man. No, you're, that's scary, man. Well, you went through with scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not that long ago, bro. No, you're probably still- Have some empathy. Home base is fitness for you too. So that's tough because it's definitely somewhere you wanna, you know, steer yourself back to and I get like how you're, you know, really passionate about like trying to make sure that like that's a big part of your everyday lifestyle. So yeah. I have something for you because there are other modes of health and fitness that you can kind of like, for example, shifting your mind to like a mobility challenge, right? So like you see these all over the internet. I did one a long time ago where I hopped up from my knees and did a pistol squat and picked up some dumbbells or whatever, right? Like maybe because you have that kind of obsessive personality, maybe do something that's a little more recuperative for your body, instead of something that's hammering it so much. Allow yourself to be obsessive about it to where you're thinking about it, you're working on it, you're doing something like that, but it'd be more recuperative for the body than something that's so stressful as running and, you know, PR-ing and hitting, you know, training to failure with the weights all the time and become like this super mobility guy. I mean, and that's tough. I know to make that transition, but that's served me really well to, you know, use my competitive, you know, kind of athletic mindset with something like that that I know I'm not gonna do damage to myself. So that would be a suggestion is to, you know, kind of go deep on something like that or like Justin's really good with like the unconventional stuff. Like I don't know if you've ever got into kettlebells and macebells and- I have that in my garage. Okay, so yeah, like, I mean, like you could totally try and become like a master at that and really master those movements. Look, Patrick, like what you're doing now is better than drinking alcohol, but, you know, here's the thing, what Adam is telling you to do, it's like you're an alcoholic and you love tequila. And he's like, hey, switch to beer because it's way less bad for you. You can drink the same volume, get less out, but it's still alcohol, right? Still, you still have to figure out, look, what's going on with your relationship to exercise? And I'm gonna guess it's not so much the PRs and the performance, but more the pain and the drive and the getting that whatever it is. Yeah, okay, so now look, here's the deal. The data shows quite clearly that exercise itself is an effective form of therapy. Okay, but like all therapies, like all modes of or methods of therapy, you can get only so much out of a particular type and then you gotta try something else, okay? You went through something really scary and before that you had some issues with substances, which tells me you probably were dealing with stuff beforehand as well. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Are you seeing somebody that can, that you, are you seeing a therapist or a count? Okay, that's the first, that's 100% where I'd send you to go, 100%. Go see somebody who's an expert working with trauma, find yourself a trauma therapist, change nothing. Keep doing your workouts, go beat yourself up, that's fine, but go see a trauma therapist and that should address the root and then you should notice that you may, at some point you'll start to address the workouts themselves, because I could give you suggestions with workouts, but it's your drug right now and it's, and here's the deal, here's the deal, a lot of people don't realize this, but self-medicating is, medicating, so if I take away your workout, like you, it's probably what's keeping it going right now is damaging as it may be, yeah. So I don't wanna take it away from you without something there, that's gonna address what's going on as a fallback. And I know as a man, therapy can be hard, you can sit down and you're probably a go-getter, so I don't wanna ask this person, advisor, tell them whatever, I can go do this. So it's gonna be hard, but find a, specifically find a trauma therapist, somebody who deals with PTSD or trauma and go start working with them. It's gonna be a long process, but I don't see any other way out of this other than like white knuckling through it, which is what you're already doing. Well, it's a psychological kind of sticking point, right, at that point. So I think that's pretty sound advice. And it's a hard one because like you said, like it's more of an ego thing for a lot of guys to like admit that I need to talk my way through this and really like dive into that deeply. And so this is something, I've even had to go through this myself. And so it's just, I'd look at it more as like, I'm improving myself on, in multiple dimensions. This is just another dimension that I'm addressing that obviously it's been filtering its way into, your physical pursuits and things. So this would be something that would be very helpful. Here's why I said don't change your workouts because if you go to a therapist knowing that they're gonna make you work out less and right now you're like, I don't wanna do that. You're not gonna wanna see a therapist. Cause you're not ready to touch that. That is true. Okay. So don't touch anything. Go talk to somebody. Just start there. Sorry, go ahead. I am starting my neck. I am a distance runner after, right after, I think I did my marathon exactly a year after remission that I did a troll race last year. Now I'm doing the Tuesday marathon again. So I remember when I, and I was still in recovery but like when I was training for 2022 marathon I was still lifting weights. And I did feel a huge burnout. I was running 50, 60 miles a week and then going to the gym afterwards. So I, lifting weights to me, it's a passion. So even if my focus is running I'm still going to lift weights. Sure. So, and that's not just do just do one day a week, two days a week. Yeah, look, I could tell you what to do but you're not gonna do it. Look, yes, once a week, but you're gonna abuse it. I'm just gonna tell you, I know this. I know this Patrick because I've worked with a lot of people like you. So I think you know what to do but you're probably gonna, you know you might do it for a little while. Oh, they told me to do this on mine pump and then it's gonna creep back into overdoing it. So I'm gonna stick to what I said. Go see somebody and change nothing. I don't care, go beat yourself up but go talk to somebody that's a trauma specialist and that should help you deal with this if you're ready to deal with it. Now, if you're not ready to deal with it, I get it. In that case, I would say try to mitigate what you're doing with as much focus on recovery as you know, beating yourself up. Like sleep and nutrition and massage and ice bath and that kind of stuff. And yeah, strength training once a week would probably be ideal for you, moderate intensity. But you know, like I said, I don't think you're gonna do what I tell you. Yeah. I mean, now you're circling back to what I said and that's the reason why I said it. I mean, I just, I'm trying to get you to go from, you know, binge drinking tequila to just having some beers. It's an actionable thing. Yeah, have some beers right now. But the truth is, none of that addresses the root cause until you work on the things that led to the abusing substance, what has led to the abuse of even fitness. And so that has to happen at one point whether you find someone to confide in, have that conversation or you learn to have that conversation yourself or you hire somebody to do that, that has to happen or else it'll just resurface in other ways. Now, look, I'm gonna say this because I think this might help you. You probably identify, and rightly so, I would say that you are this person, but you probably identify with being a fighter, a survivor, like you ain't gonna stop me, you know, I'm gonna, nothing will stop me. I'm gonna keep going till I die type of thing. So, okay, look at what I said because I know right now I'm talking to you, I can tell that you're like, no, no, not gonna do that, I'm gonna keep doing what I do. Look at it and say, okay, this thing that Sal's telling me to go talk to somebody, I really don't wanna do it. This is harder than my workouts. This is way harder than my workouts. I'm a survivor, I'm a fighter, I'm gonna do the thing that's harder. So if you identify with being a fighter, then you gotta go do the harder thing. And the harder thing is not your workouts, that's easy for you. The harder thing is what I said. I also recognize that by doing this, you're building a new level of resiliency. So someone like you also likes that ability that you can, by the way, we're all talking to ourselves right now too. So there's a part of you that we all identify greatly with so this is, and that's just it. It's like, you're not giving anything up, you're not like what you're going to do. And it was kind of, I think what Justin said is like, you're just gonna add a new tool to your tool belt and you're going to be even better and more resilient because you now know how to see these things and these behaviors that maybe you didn't see before. And it doesn't mean like you're gonna cut out your hardcore training, it's just you're gonna have a better balance and understanding of what drives you and motivates you and know when to throttle down and when to throttle back. You just feel like navigate better. But you can literally do this, you can find somebody and you can sit down with them and you can say this, literally. You can say, look, here's the deal. I'm not gonna change my workouts. I'm not gonna change my lifestyle. I love doing the stuff, but I know I need to talk to somebody. That's it, just start right there and just start there and see what happens. That's it. Yeah. And maybe turning down the slip knot. Yeah, yeah. Maybe switch to Anya for a little bit. Do some Jimmy E. World for bringing that a little bit. Well, hey, look, do you have Maps Prime Pro? I wanna give you something that might prevent you from hurting yourself if you can use it. Do you have that? No, I do not. I did your, when I was going through chemo, the one I have is the at-home one, Maps Anywhere. Okay, I'm gonna send you Prime Pro because there's mobility stuff in there. If you really wanna get crazy with recovery, that'll help you. My wife is a yoga instructor, so I do need to take advantage of her classes. Oh yeah, that's great. You gotta hang out with her more. Yeah, Doug's gonna send you Prime Pro and then I want you actually to look at Maps 15 as a potential thing to compliment your lifestyle. I was actually going to get Maps 15 a while back when I started training, look into that, but did I have a gym here at work that I can go down on my lunch break and use because I'm gonna run in the mornings and lift in the afternoons, but so I was thinking about that, but yeah. Patrick, how long have you been married? We, 2019, I mean, I shouldn't have second-guessed that. Actually, I started coughing my symptom of Lephoma on our first anniversary trip. Oh my God. Wow, wow. So you've been married? And then I got diagnosed three months later on my 40th birthday. And you made it through it together? Yeah, she was on my side. She's pretty badass. She sounds like an amazing woman. Would she agree with my advice, Patrick? Yes, because she hears me grunting into the garage. Hey, man, listen to your wife. She loves you, obviously she loves you. They're right sometimes, dude. Yeah, for sure. By the way, when I was in Guadalupe, went to chemo, I went back and listened to all y'all's old stuff from 2015. I love it. I love it. Appreciate it. You really do like us then. On the rails, yeah. Thanks, Patrick. I would sit there and just listen to all the old stuff, so. Hey, man. I appreciate you calling in, man. I'm glad to hear that you made it through the hour. Hey, circle back with us. I'd really like to hear where you're at in about three to six months, too, okay? Circle back with us. Let us know how things are going. Oh, I'm gonna be running a lot. You'll hate me. That's all right. Thanks, man. Take it easy, man. All right, brother. He ain't ready to deal with what he's saying. I mean, at least he says it, but he's not ready to deal with it. Yeah. I get it, bro. The place you really don't want to look is always a place you need to look. That's hard, like you just said. That really is the hardest thing you can do. If you're into being uncomfortable, doing the thing that's gonna move the needle the most, that's one of them. For a man, especially, he's just like, oh, hell no, I'll do everything else. Our only hope is that the wife listens to this. I was just gonna say that, and I'm like, but he's not gonna let her listen. I hope he does, okay? Patrick, she should be able to listen to this, let her listen to this, because she will be, I think, our ally. She'll be our ally, because even if he ignores it, continues to do what he's doing, it will, and it doesn't hurt him injury-wise, it'll bleed into the relationship. And then she'll remember this conversation and go, remember those three really smart guys that were trying to tell you what to do? I think it's time you listen to them. If you still wanna have a wife around, so make sure you keep her in the loop and share this with her, too, because I think she'll be an ally. But I mean, that's rough, bro. What he made it through, he might not be ready to face that shit for another couple years. Well, that's why, so that's the direction I was going, right? So that's why I like- I just don't think he's gonna listen to anything. I think we're gonna tell him and he's gonna go beat himself up. I don't necessarily believe that. I think, so I've had success with people like this. I think I definitely trained a lot of people like this, and it is- With one conversation, though, you can probably coach them all the time. Well, that's why I tried to switch them to beer and you wanted to be like, no, go, hey, buddy, you've never done therapy in your life before. It's not even beer, it's non-alcoholic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, you know, I was just trying to get him to transition in a better, more recuperative, instead of punishing yourself type of direction by using that kind of competitiveness that he has. I just have had more success that way. And then I'm, of course, you guys know, coaches, you're moving them. Yeah, exactly, as I'm coaching him through the process, because I'm seeing him, I'm also doing therapy along the way. So hopefully he goes and hire somebody. Our next caller is Kyle from Guam. Kyle, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going, guys? Just wanted to say, first of all, I've been a huge fan of you guys for the past years, listened to you guys practically all the time. The question I have for you gentlemen today is how can I incorporate long-distance cardio without sacrificing my muscle gain? So I have a pretty high metabolism. I've struggled to gain weight over the past years. Right now I sit at 220 and I have to consume like three K calories daily to maintain this weight. If I don't, then I'll drop off. And recently I got picked up for the police department. And, you know, there's a lot of long distance running and wanted to see if you guys had any input on how I can incorporate that in my current workouts without necessarily, I guess, having to run. Kyle, this is the police academy that you're in right now? Yes, sir. How long is that for? Nine months. Okay, and they make you run every day, right? Yes, sir. Just two miles? It's gone up to seven, so there's no telling. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, so a couple things. Scale back your strength training because a lot of times people make the mistake of thinking that they lift more when they do more of this stuff to try and preserve the muscle, but that's actually the opposite of what you need to do. So if you're running five days, is it five days a week, Monday through Friday? Yes, sir. All right. Twice a week, full body. That'll do better at preserving muscle mass. Increase your calories. Or a MAP-15. MAP-15 would be another good program. That would be another way to do it just 15 minutes a day. You're going to lose some muscle, but when you're done with the police academy, it'll come right back. So that's the other thing. I mean, you might lose some in order to go through the academy training. It'll come right back when you're done, though. Have some liquid calories before you go to. Oh, yeah. And post, right? So right before you run, get some liquid calories in right afterwards. Get some liquid calories in. So you're not depleted either. So that'll help. But nine months of doing this, seven miles is a little high. Two miles is not a big deal. Two, three miles, that's under 30 minutes. That's not that big of a deal, especially if you take the advice, Sal saying is not make the mistake of trying to lift more weights because you're afraid you're going to lose muscle. If you follow like a MAP-15 or scale back a little bit, you stay fed before and after. You know, you might just get more shredded. I don't know how lean you are right now, but you know, you could potentially hang on to most of that muscle and just lean out nicely. But if you do seven miles and you do more of those and you do two miles, it's inevitable you're going to lose some muscle along the way. But it should come right back if you take really good care of you a lot and you stay consistent with the training while you do it and stay fed. Yeah, I like the MAP-15 angle, just enough dose of stimulus for your muscles to respond and keep that anabolic signal alive, but like you're really focused primarily on your aerobic training at this point because you're preparing yourself for this. Rubber bands are really good for adding and providing that kind of stimulus with not a lot of damage. So to consider that in terms of incorporating that as well for your strength training, I think would go far. Do you have MAP-15, Kyle? No, sir, I don't. All right, we'll send that to you. And I think that is gonna be the best program for you, why are you doing it? But remember, it's only nine months. It's a police academy. And after you're done, and I don't know why police departments do this, it's like... Nine months and then... I don't know why they do this, like when in ever are you gonna be chasing down a suspect for seven miles? It doesn't work that way. It's usually a sprint. So I really, it's just out to police departments. I don't know why it's an easy way to get someone more fit. It doesn't require much programming, but they need to focus more on like sprinting, mobility, hit style training. You get to. And then of course they do that because most chases are not... You might run a couple miles max. I mean, do no seven mile foot race to catch somebody. You get a car for that. That's almost never gonna happen. So... I tell you, every run a mile, you run the first 100 yard dash, and if he's separating himself from you, you're probably ain't getting him. Jumping over fences. Yeah, so, but that's it. I mean, it's nine months. After that, it'll come right back. I wouldn't worry too much about it. And in the meantime, don't overcompensate by doing more weight training. That'll make you lose muscle. That's the biggest mistake you can make that I think I probably would have made at your age is thinking that, oh, shit, I'm gonna be doing all this running. I should also... Lift more. Lift more. I mean, this was my experience. Obviously I wasn't running. I was playing basketball, and that's what I did was lift more. And just all I did was get leaner and smaller. I have a similar metabolism. The first thing that I did was scale back three days of my lifting, and I added 10 pounds of muscle. So don't make the mistake of thinking more weight training is gonna help you retain more muscle. Okay, got it. Thanks, Chents. You got it, man. All right, man, good luck. Good luck to you, dude. Yep. I appreciate it. You got it. All right, Kyle. Yeah, sometimes I look at the... I've trained a few people through police academies. It's funny. I mean, I know what they're trying to do. They're basically trying to wean out people that won't be able to perform at all. Although it doesn't, they don't seem to keep it up because then later you see veterans and you're like, you don't even run no two miles. You can't even run 10 feet. How did this happen? But the training needs to be more specific, you know, because it's more gonna be like sprints than it is gonna be these long runs. Totally. Which is like I said, after 100-yard dash, you're either staying close to your suspect or he's gone. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And if he's already got a huge lead on you and he's darting in and out of places or hopping fences, you ain't gonna run seven miles looking for him. Yeah, I think like you said, the thought process is like, you know, less programming we have to like implement. Also, it's gonna get him to lose weight. Yeah. It's difficult. Totally. Yeah, but in terms of it being more specific and applicable, like if they did more, those like short, like fast twitch kind of like training would be a lot better. That's good for people who officers watching now who are at an academy and kind of now it's up to them to maintain the kind of fitness that they need. Absolutely. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Sarah, what's happening? How can we help you? Oh, wow. I was all calm going into this, but now I see you guys, this is actually kind of, I'm star struck a little bit just a tad, but thank you. Honestly, seriously, thank you for what you do because my pump played a huge hand in digging me out of a grave, out of depression, alcoholism back in 2019. So I'm living my best life now. Amazing. Hell yeah. I definitely do it way more than ever dreamed of. So now I have the first world problem of wondering how to optimize this lift. All right, go ahead. So what should I do off season when I'm not running maps OCR? Okay. Do you compete in OCR events? I mean, yes and no. Sometimes I do age group, but sometimes I do the open waves. Right now I'm definitely not age group ready because my line of work is a little, maybe too high stress to really make me kick so much ass anymore. Like it's, if I train anymore, it takes away from my job performance. Okay. What do you do? I'm a driving coach. Like a, like a, like get your license driving coach or like a sports performance like drive, like driving coach, are you? One of these. Oh wow. Really? Yeah. No way. Yeah. So how do we sign up? Where do we, how do we see, are you going to take us around in a Porsche? That sounds freaking awesome. Well, it's better to talk offline about that. We'll email you later on. Okay. Yeah. Okay, got you. Well, okay. So if you're, if you're not doing a race and you want to just maintain that level of kind of like mobility and fitness. I mean, maps OCR, maps cardio, maps performance. Those are all great programs. Can really cycle through those three. Yeah. You know, maybe throwing map symmetry here and there for that level of fitness. And then when you're in season, maps OCR seems to be much more specific, but the symmetry in there for sure. Yeah. The issues, the challenges are going to be things like mobility, joint health, and not over-training. Those will be the three main factors that I would focus on. So I would save the real hard training for getting ready for a race. But in between, I think more recuperative, what feels good, what makes my joints feel good, what gives me good, healthy energy. And then when you have a race, then you can scale it up to maximize performance. I guess I would ask more too, on if you have any specific goals too, because it doesn't sound like you're so hardcore about OCR, all you care about is winning trophies. You sound like you like it, you love it, you do it as like a fun thing to train for. Do you have other goals, either aesthetic or performance related that you care about right now? Well, I mean, it would be nice to get under 18% body fat, but I find that cutting on the food part, I get grouchy, I know that it's not gonna work, I like eating, and it would be nice to get my squat to 200 pounds. Deadlift, I'm already at the goals that I wanna be. I'm already doing like 225 on my deadlifts, but squat, I would love 200. I also rock climb, I dirt bike, or I'm just getting into that, so those are some of the other things that I like to just maintain. And plus, I'm dealing with a recent Hashimoto's diagnosis, and Element T, by the way, has actually really helped with that, so. Yeah, awesome. That's excellent. So those are the notes that I have. Do you tend to over train? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there's a connection there with the Hashimoto's autoimmune issues and like too much stress, too much working out. So I would, with your workouts, I would really focus on, because it sounds like you really enjoy the outdoor stuff, the fun stuff, like the rock climbing, the dirt bike, like that's the stuff you really enjoy the most, right? I just love being outdoors, and I know that going 10 tenths all the time is not good. I've learned to dial it down, but I know I could probably still dial it down a little bit more. Like, with MAPS OCR even, it's a five-day-a-week workout program, but I don't do the five days, because I know four is much healthier for me. Five, I just, I can't do that without it affecting job performance. Oh, that's good, that's good. How many days a week do you do these other activities, like all this outdoor stuff? So the skill day for MAPS OCR, I don't do that, because on like two days out of the week on top of the other OCR days, I'll throw in maybe 15 minutes of like rock climbing, like that's it, because the gym I go to has a really good workout space, but it's a rock climbing gym per se, like. That's cool. And then the bike stuff, I just got into it, so that's not even, that's not really happening right now. All right, in a perfect world, because you look, I want you to focus on what you enjoy. You look fit already, you're lean, so. I'm glad. Yeah, so okay, so in a perfect world, how many days a week, forget working out, okay? How many days a week would you rock climb, focus on the biking, and you know, other fun stuff like that? Like what would that look like if you were just doing, like if you were just being active for fun? If I was being active for fun, I would work out six days a week. Like honestly, but I know that that's not doable. That's not doable. Perfect world, if I had a million mouths of energy. Yeah, now forget the workout. I mean, like going out and rock climbing and being active, forget the workout. Rock climbing, dirt bike riding. Yeah, like how often would you want to do that stuff? I would love to do that like every single week, like at least one of those things, every single week climb and ride. I would place almost entirely your focus with workouts, like gym stuff, on mobility, maintaining stability and recovery. And then I would just add days of the stuff that you enjoy. I can tell you have so much enjoyment at it doing those things. And that's a nice balance by the way. Rock climbing, biking, OCR, like you're getting a lot of functional work in there. I don't see you developing imbalances because you do one thing all the time. And then, you know, one day a week, you could do traditional strength training just to keep yourself strong. And I'd focus a lot on the other days on just mobility. And what that's gonna do, it's gonna give you the energy and strength and performance to be able to do all the fun stuff even more often. And you'll probably find that your body will respond as a result. Because I can imagine, I'm gonna guess that you're probably always teetering on the line of overdoing it. I'm so close always, but I have to reel myself back constantly. But I've gotten definitely a lot better with that over like over the years. And I mean, ever since I started listening to you guys, 2019, I would really get out for it. And then there would be times that I'd hurt myself, obviously, but I figured out, okay, don't push so hard. Dial it down a little bit. So I like maps performance and you decide based off of what your activity, stress that the work looks like on whether you train it one day a week or three days a week. And then the other days are mobility days. So it addresses the mobility stuff Sal's talking about. I think maps performance is definitely more of your wheelhouse of what you like. And it will support the things you do outside of the gym. And then you just have to learn to tell yourself, like, hey, this has been a great rest, not a lot of stress at work. I didn't get a dirt bike session in. I didn't get out there. So I'm gonna train three days this week of my map's performance. Let's fast forward to the next week. The next week, oh, I got dirt bike riding in. Oh, in addition to that, it was been a stressful week at work. Oh, maybe a scale all the way back to one day. And so teeter between the one to three days of foundational training based off of what you're the rest of your load looks like outside of the gym. And then incorporate the mobility days every other day, which is something you could do in your living room. You could do it anywhere. And that's really going to support your joints and support all other things. Beautiful advice. So in other words, there's three foundational workouts and maps performance. Treat those three days as just the hard workout days. So if you do none of the rock climbing, none of the biking, none of the hard stuff, you can do all three foundational workouts. But if you do two days of the heart of the other stuff, then you're only gonna do one foundational workout. If you do three days of the hard stuff, then you're gonna do no foundational workouts. But the mobility sessions, you could do those every other day. Because I'll be at home and I don't have to go head over to the gym or anything. And you'll see your performance improve by doing that. Yep. Oh, I so need that. Because I'm so bad with everything else. Doug's gonna send that over to you right now if you don't have that already. Do you not have mass performance? I'm one of those nutjobs who kind of bought almost every program. We actually call those people smart people. A hero. We call those the smart people. You know what we're gonna do then, Sarah, if you're not in our forum, we'll put you in our forum because I'd love to just hear from you. Yeah. And in your forum too. Oh. Keep us up to date there. What can we sell you, Sarah, while you're on the phone? Yeah. You want anything? I think the only program that I don't have is probably Maps 15. Oh, that's a good one for you. Oh, that would be great for you. Yeah, that's a great one for you. We'll shoot that over to you. Yeah. Like, that's the one that when I think about it, like, because I have a hard time with reducing, like 15 minutes was so hard for me to even buy too. I know. But you guys preached it. I know it, but getting my brain to accept it. No, we're gonna send that to you. And by the way, there's a 20 minute like advanced version in there too that would fit you just fine too. So we're gonna send that over to you. I think that one, that's a great one to complete. But I mean, look, you love this stuff so much. The idea with strength training for someone like you is how do I use it so I could do more of that other stuff and feel good? That's what you want. That's the idea, okay? Don't look at your workouts as the fun stuff because you would much rather sounds like a rock climbing, dirt bike, like that's way more exhilarating and fun for you. So look at the strength training and mobility as a way to support that stuff so you can do that stuff as much as you want. That's the idea, right? That's the idea that I'm trying to sell to you. Okay, I will do my best to get this brain and accept all that. You will, you will. You're doing great. Yeah, and then email us, let us know how you could drive a Porsche. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about that. Well, our social media rules are pretty strict, so. My bad, my bad. Oh, we're gonna be off the road, so. Yeah. All right, guys. Thanks for calling. Thank you, thank you so much. Bye. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny. It's like when people love doing an outdoor activity, it's like you do more of that. Use the strength training, keep yourself from getting hurt and just do that, man. Yeah, I get, okay, this is the second question we've had today going through these live callers that, you know, we had the guy that was the MMA guy, right? And I think it's, we get listeners that have listened to a lot of our episodes and they've probably heard us kind of harp on these people that have these like major aesthetic goals. And then they also love combining everything together. Right, but if you notice these two people we had today, she wasn't like, oh, I wanna sculpt my butt and I wish I had abs. Like she didn't even say any of that stuff. She was like, she's all- That's the thing I love doing this. Right, I love doing this thing. I'm passionate about a more performance-driven. And so that, there's different advice. But when I hear someone go like, I wanna look this certain way and oh, by the way, I wanna run marathons and do all these exports. Like, well, that's really conflicting, you know? It's funny, I can totally relate. Like I weave in and out of this a lot in terms of like being a part of an activity or something else that's like outside of just lifting weights all the time. But I always come back to lifting weights because I love it too. But it is nice to just step out. And physical activity is physical activity. I mean, if you're out there and you're doing it and you love and enjoy these other types of activities you can incorporate, like have at it. It's just a matter of like complimenting it. I mean, honestly, in what's going on with our society now and we're becoming more and more disconnected from people, disconnected from nature, I'm more pro that than I ever was. You know what I'm saying? I think more people need more activities like that in their life that we're so quick now to get on our phones or be in front of the computer and social interaction totally. The gym used to be a social environment. And now everybody wears headphones and became an isolated environment. But look, I've said this before, I'll say it again. Nothing is more modifiable than strength training. So you can only modify rock climbing so much. You can only modify cycling and swimming and running so much. But strength training, you could tweak it, change it, modify it to make all the other stuff better. You just have to do it the right way. You can't train like a bodybuilder to make yourself better at rock climbing. You gotta train with weights like a rock climber would to get better at rock climbing, for example. So use strength training as this amazing tool to allow you to enjoy all these other things that you like to do. Our next caller is Ashnia from the Philippines. Ashnia, how can we help you? Hi, good morning, everyone. Hi, good morning. How's it going? Thanks for having me on. So excited to be here. Thank you. All right. All right, so before I continue, I just would like to take the opportunity as well to say my thanks. I am actually one of your success stories from your episode of Why Women Should Both. You know, I've heard and read a lot of positive information surrounding it in the past, but I never really paid attention to it and never even tried because for me, before Scaleless the King, but it all changed when I discovered your show. So I just wanna say thank you before changing the fitness message to all the women out there and for all that you do in the fitness phase. So yeah, the fitness world definitely needs more people like you. So thank you guys so much. Thank you so much. That's a great compliment. All right, thank you, you're welcome. So I'm just gonna read my question. This way I will not lose my train of thoughts. Before I discovered your show, I was not having my period for more than a year already. I was under eating and overtraining which damaged my hormones. Now after consistently listening to your show, I realized I was doing everything wrong from training to nutrition to recovery. I did the nabolic two times twice already to focus on building muscle. My first run, I did the three foundational days and quit doing cardio. Now shortly after I finished my first run, there was a live caller with the same case. So with your advice was take a deload or a week off and do nothing but walking is fine and then run nabolic after that. So I took all your advice from that episode and in just two weeks I swear I got my period back. It's like, I'm amazed. So thank you for that. Now I'm running performance. I'm currently on week, sorry, phase two of performance. Unfortunately, I lost my period again last month. So I'm not really sure if it's because I switched back to three times a week of training or... Oh, by the way, I also started the program with a 500 calorie cut from my previous calorie from after I run my second nabolic. So yeah, my question is should I eat more or train less or do a little bit of both? Okay, so you... Because I'm not having my period again. No, that's okay, great question. First off, how do you feel otherwise? How's your energy and sleep and libido and all that stuff? Yeah, with my sleep, I didn't notice any change in my sleep. I still sleep very well. My libido is, yeah, that's a problem. Okay, did you notice a change in libido or has it just been like this consistent? Yeah, there was a change, a significant change as well. Okay, and then when did you get your period back? How long has it been since you got it back? So I had it for like two months and then after I finished nabolic, I started performance and then after my first week of... Sorry, phase one of performance. Yeah, I didn't had any, I missed my period again. Okay, and then I'm assuming you've already ruled out that you're not pregnant, right? No, no. Okay, okay, sorry, I had to ask that because... It's okay. So she didn't read, she didn't say it, but I'm looking up at it there too. She worked her way up from 1,300 to 2,100 calories. Does that mean you were, and then from 2,100, did you drop back down 500? Yes, when I started the performance. Well, there's a couple of things though. There's a couple of things to look at here because I know where you're gonna go Adam and I agree with you, but there's more to the story. So you just got your period back a couple months. When you get your period back after not having it for a while, it can sometimes fluctuate. So you can get it consistently for a few months, it goes away, then it comes back. So sometimes it takes a second for it to, a little while for it to become super regular. So you only had it for two months, then you lost it. But here's the second part, and I know where you're going Adam, you're gonna mention the calorie cut and the increase in activity. Whatever you were doing that got your period back, I would have done that for longer. Yeah, I would have stuck to that for a while before trying to change anything. It was a bit too quick of a change. You got your period back for two months and then you changed your diet, changed your exercise. I would go back to what you were doing before and then if you get your period back, I'd wait at least five to six months of consistent period before trying to change anything else. Cause it takes a little bit for everything to normalize. That's what I figured it was too early for me to cut my calories. But what about the performance? I don't see any options for it, am I missing something? Is there an option to do the perform? Cause I really love the program by the way. Is there an option to do it for just twice a week? I mean, you could do that. Yeah, we don't. Two foundational days. In anabolic, you know, Sal created it with that option. Calendar. Yeah, in there, but with performance, you can still do that. You could just drop one foundational day off of that. I really do think more than anything though, it's the calorie restriction. I think 500 calories for anybody, even in a healthy state for a female is a big chunk of calories, especially when you think about you were only at 2100. That's 25% almost of your calories. That's a dramatic drop. I think you easily could have just kept your calories around the same or maybe a hundred calories down and just kept going and you probably would have been okay. But what you were doing was working so nice. I would want to keep doing that. Yeah, your body just started to regulate itself. And so what you want to do in that situation is keep everything the same. Or I mean, I would even have you start to reverse diet even more. Yeah, no, keep bumping. That's what I'm saying, keep going that direction. Keep adding calories and getting stronger. Yeah, but give yourself more time, right? So you get your period back and then it'll be like, okay, I want to see if I can maintain this for six months consistently and then evaluate if you want to make any changes because you literally just got it back. So you changed everything too quickly. And a good goal. So this is kind of, and if I had somebody I was training like you and we, let's say, we did exactly what you did, Phenoma, right? We got up to 2100, periods back, you're feeling a lot better and stuff. And as your coach, I'd be like, okay, let's keep going now. And you're like, well, Adam, I kind of want to lean out a little bit. I say, like, trust the process. Let me, now that I know that your body loves being around this 2100 calories and straight training, let's get you up to like 24, 2500. And then I'll pull you back down to 21, 2200. And now it's a cut. And now it's a cut, but it's still more calories than you ever ate before. And we already know that your body starts to thank you when you're in that calorie, right? So you at 2100 calories, you were starting to see positive things happening with your hormones, with things going on with your libido, with your strength, muscle, all that stuff is happening for you. So that's a place I would like to keep you, but I also recognize that clients have goals and maybe they want to lean out a little bit and lose body fat, I recognize that. So I would have said, okay, let's keep building the metabolism. Let's get you to a higher calorie count so that when I cut you, we're cutting at this, where you're at currently right now. Austin, how long did you lose your period for again? It's more than a year. Yeah. More than a year. Just by following your, I literally just follow the advice you gave to that color and in just two weeks, it worked like magic for me. Well, that's great. That means your body's pretty healthy, but because you lost it for a year and it just came back, you got to kind of keep it consistent for a while before you decide to add more stress by cutting or doing more workouts. You got to give yourself a little bit more time. I bet you're going to respond very quickly. If you bump your calories, scale back the workouts, you'll probably respond really quickly again. And then, like we're saying, kind of start, keep reverse dieting. Like give yourself some time to really build that muscle, build that metabolism, stay on track. I know it's exciting because you're like, I feel good, now I want to go in the other direction, but stay there for a little while. Yeah, because you're still kind of iffy. Your body still is 100% sure that it wants to remain that way, right? So give yourself a little bit more time. The only struggle that I had was that the reason why I stopped eating more food is because I feel it's too, the 2100 is really, I feel like too much for me already. So I decided to just stop there. Who has the 100 calorie for me is just too much for me to eat. You mean like it was hard for you to eat it or you just think it's too much? Yeah, yeah, it's just too much for me. Okay, well, hey, look, go back, go back to just start increasing your calories. Maybe go up to 1900, scale back on your workout and see if that works. Just stay there, stay there for a little while. Also keep in mind when you transition from a program like anabolic now into performance, that is a new stimulus, that is a new stress. And so even without messing with calories, many times people's bodies will start to lean out and change just from switching a program. That's one of the nice things about doing something so dear, like anabolic and performance are very different. And so even without manipulating calories, many times. So that's why I said, if you were to cut or reduce calories, I definitely want to go on 500, maybe 100, you know? Like, and so Sal's advice of, you know, go back up to like 1900 or whatever, if 2100 is a lot of food. But I do think a good goal is to try and increase those calories if you can. Hopefully the new stimulus also creates more of an appetite for you. Yeah. Right. You're not intermittent fasting or anything like that, are you? No, I'm not. Okay, good. I don't do that. Okay, good. You're doing good. Stay the course. Thank you. Go back to what you were doing before and just try to stay consistent before changing anything. Are you in our private forum? All right. Facebook? No. Okay, I'm gonna have Doug send you that so you have access so we can keep an eye on you. That way you can just message us, tag one of us or all of us and we can keep an eye on you. All right, thank you guys, appreciate it. You got it, thanks for calling in. You have a good one. Well, sure, bye. Bye, bye. The reason why, you know what? So I actually had a client like this, right? Where she, you know, I trained, she was an athlete, hardcore, lost her period for a while. A lot of female athletes experienced this. And then she hired me and we got her period back. And it was like six months, she was having a period. And then it went away again. She's like, what happened? I'm not over-training, whatever. And I'm like, are you noticing this symptom, that symptom? And I don't forget what it was. It was something like, yeah, my gums are a little swollen. I'm like, you're pregnant. She was like, what? She went literally, my studio was next to a grocery store. She's like, oh shit, she stopped the session, got a pregnancy test, came back, called her husband, we're having a baby. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. That's cool. It was pretty awesome. That's pretty cool coming from someone who just, six months before that, wasn't having their period. Yeah, but you look, if you're a woman and you lose your period, it's because your body doesn't feel safe supporting another human. It's a really, really strong sign that you're doing too much, eating too little, or there's a nutrient deficiency or there's too much stress. So it's like a really loud signal. And when you get it back, you gotta give your body some time to reacclimate because it'll go back in the opposite direction real quick if you don't maintain it for at least a little while. Yeah, you gotta be able to set that new standard and allow your body to really get to that, cementing it in place. Yeah, and people have to keep in mind, like when we talk about, because we say the number three to 500 as a kind of a standard, like reduced calories. Yeah, but if your calories are so low. That's right. It's relative to the size of the person, the amount of calories they're already consuming that we recommend something like that. So you take someone who's got only eating 2,000, 2100 calories and you cut them 500 calories, 25% of their intake. You're eating 4,000 calories, nothing. Yeah, exactly. So it's a huge, huge difference right there. And then also keeping in mind that, again, that this is another stress, a new stimulus. And so throwing both of those at the body that just started to get its period back is, of course it started to revolt. It probably felt like, oh, shit, we're going back to old ways. Totally, yeah, totally. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our fitness guides. We have guides that can help you with exercise, fat loss, muscle building, mobility. I mean, so many different goals. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm on Instagram at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. Today we're gonna teach you everything you need to know to build a strong, well-developed chest. When I think of weak points and areas that I struggled with developing for a really long time, chest was up there with the weak part. Yeah, it was for me. It was for me for sure. I got more caught up in the weight I could lift versus how I was developing my body. I think it's one of the most challenging muscles to develop for most people because the form and technique.