 Hi, I'm Daniel Bryan. I'm the International Director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation and I'm here in Brussels with Julia Radar, who is the MEP who has been leading the battle to stop the link tax and censorship machines that we've just seen unfortunately pass in the jury vote. So that's kind of disappointing, right? But not the end. Yeah, I mean, we've lost with a margin of one vote in the case of the link tax and the upload filters was a bit more than that. But I think, well, experience shows that the Legal Affairs Committee is all the copyright maximalists in the European Parliament getting together. So I think almost being able to kill the proposal at committee level was already a good success and kind of a sign that people are waking up to the threat of this proposal. So I do think that we have a good chance in two weeks to get a majority against it in the plenary when all members of the European Parliament can vote. So I was just going to ask you what comes next. So this is the day after the vote, but there's another vote. When will that be? Right. So what happens now is that the committee has decided on a package that includes the link tax and the upload filters. And now there's going to be a simple yes-no vote in the plenary as a whole to decide whether we accept this outcome or not or whether it goes back to the drawing board, basically. So what we need to do now is to convince the majority of the individual members of the entire Parliament to vote against. And, well, we have two weeks to do this and the vote will most likely be on 4th of July. So I like to call it our internet independent state. Okay. But that's basically where we are. And yeah, we've got our work cut off for us. I don't think the United States has successfully copyrighted that term. And I noticed that you've got this. I would love to assume for it. Yeah. This is just printed, right? So yeah, this is basically what the European Parliament looks like. So we have these eight different political groups from the far left, the Social Democrat, Green, Liberal, Christian Democrat, Conservative, Eurosceptic and far right. And out of these 751 members, we're going to need to have a majority in the vote. So over the next couple of days, this will be filling up with green and red dots of who we expect or who has declared that they're going to vote for or against this proposal. So it really is a matter of winning these people one at a time. Is there a huge amount of party discipline? Do people vote in blocks or do they have some flexibility? In the committee, the party discipline was relatively strong. So for example, from the biggest group, the EPP, people who didn't agree with the party line were asked simply not to go to this vote and they would be replaced by other people. And with the exception of one guy, Pavel Swoboda, who actually voted against the link tax, they stayed completely within party line. However, they can't do that for the primary vote because everybody gets to vote. So I do think that you're going to see more people diverging from the party line. In the EPP, for example, the Swedish members have already said that they don't agree. In the liberal group, there is a huge fight going on because the liberal members voted for this upload filters and the link tax. So the goal is to break the party lines and to make sure that every member has to make up their own mind whether they want to be responsible for ending memes on the internet. So 64 million euro question, like if you're an individual, if you're someone in Europe, you have an MEP, what do you do to persuade them that these are terrible, terrible ideas and to vote against them? So I think the most important thing is to spend five minutes to find out who you're talking to. So if the person who represents your district or your city is really interested in the defense of fundamental rights, then you might want to tell them that actually the United Nations special rapporteur on freedom of expression has called these proposals dangerous and a risk of censorship. But if you're talking to somebody who's really interested in startups, then you might tell them about how impossible it is for startups to pay for upload filters. So you really need to know what is the MEP interested in already in order to get your foot in the door. And then always calling their offices or getting a journalist to ask them for a statement is a lot more effective than just sending an email. And it's not just your voice to the MEP too, they're going to be reading the papers, they're going to be listening to groups that perhaps start up innovation groups or even a local hacker space or maker space. So if you can get not just your voice, but a collection of people together. Definitely, I think it's always a lot more useful to have a statement from a group or a particular constituency. And definitely one of the most effective things is to get a journalist from your country to ask the different MEPs where they stand on this, because then they tend to feel like they really have to respond. If it's just an email from a citizen, they might decide to just ignore it. But well, if they are on the record in the press saying that they're going to vote against this, then this is immediately useful. And they will get a little green dot on here. Okay, well, we're looking forward to seeing like a few green dots start. Thank you very much for everything. And I guess it's now time to organize