 Okay, good morning and welcome to Kista Supernatural Ministry. We'll pray and start our discussion. Anyone would like to pray, maybe from the online batch, would that be possible? Yes, I can pray. Thank you God for this day. We come together for this class. Father, we pray God that you speak to us. You help us to learn things. We pray also God that every word and so much of your wisdom you put in and speaking to us, we pray God that we'll be able to receive it and we will learn it from you in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you Ravali. Thank you for leading in prayer. We were at the fourth key and we said, yeah renewed mind, how we must think the way the spirit of the Lord is guiding us and not be limited just to the natural mind and just to the limitations that we see around us. But to just open ourselves up for the possibilities and we saw how in the case of Jesus feeding the 5,000, there is a contrast between the way Philip thought and the way Andrew thought and Andrew had that possibility thinking surely led by the spirit of God and we saw the multiplication of the bread. And we also looked at the time when Jesus called Peter to step out of the boat and he was actually able to walk the first time but the second time because he went back to his natural thinking, he was not able to continue. So these are things for us to really consider and ask the Holy Spirit to give us revelation. Now why should we depend on what the Holy Spirit reveals? Why should we depend on that? Because the Holy Spirit is the one who reveals to us the mysteries and the thoughts of God and what he wants. Yes, correct. So thank you Rin. So the Holy Spirit is able to reveal the mysteries but most importantly like what you said the thoughts of God. So we will just quickly look at 1 Corinthians chapter 2 for a bit. Yeah, 1 Corinthians chapter 2 verse 16 to 11. Sorry, 11 to 16. Okay, 11 to 16. Yeah, would you like to read it out, Prince please? 1 Corinthians chapter 2 reading from verse 11. For who among men knows the thoughts of men except the man's spirit within him. In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the spirit of who he is from God. That we may understand that God has freely given us. What God has freely given us. This is what we speak not in words taught by human wisdom but in the words taught by the spirit. Expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the spirit does not accept the things that comes from the spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgment about all the things but he himself is not subjected to any man's judgment. For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him but we have the mind of Christ. Yes, thank you. So a lot of amazing truths packed into this one passage. There are so many things that firstly that the Holy Spirit reveals the mind of the Lord because the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and even for us our spirit knows what we are thinking. So in the same way the spirit of God knows what he is thinking. So Holy Spirit carries the revelation or he carries the revelation of the mind of God. And then we see in verse 13 that the Holy Spirit when he speaks we must receive and understand those spiritual thoughts have that spiritual mind because the natural mind its capacity is only for natural things. So with the natural mind if we try to understand the spiritual things it won't be possible. So we need to switch that's the whole point that is being made. In verse 14 you see that the Holy Spirit he reveals the mind of God and the mind of God could be such that for the natural mind it may be foolishness obviously because God he knows all things and he knows every possibility. So what he is suggesting may not be valid for the natural mind so that could happen. So we need to make a deliberate choice to walk in the spiritual mind and accept what the Holy Spirit is revealing. And only then we will be able to make those choices deliberately. Like when Holy Spirit starts to speak to us and tell us what needs to be done to really begin to act on it. I think of people like Philip they were so led by the spirit of God that the Holy Spirit tells him like in Acts 8 we see that he overtakes the chariot or you will see this man and he is reading Isaiah. Where is he getting all this communication from the spiritual mind? So to really function in that spiritual mind is what we are asking for. It's fine to function in the natural mind but as required we need to exercise that spiritual mind and that way it will be easier for us to hear from God it will be easier for us to know what God is saying right now. And you know the things that someone was saying this statement that the things which arise in the heart of God are so powerful and every time we release a word that is genuine. Genuine means really it's from the heart of God. For example like we say prophecy like you hear from God we hear from God and when that's an accurate word it's so amazing because it's been born in the mind of God and the Holy Spirit has revealed it to us and our spiritual mind has received it. And then you release that word it's so powerful if it's genuine. If it's not genuine now when does that happen not genuine? Yeah if it is from our own thinking it doesn't carry the power because it's just our maybe our wishing well for people that we just say hey God is saying this that. But it's not really originating in the heart of God. What must be our pursuit? Our pursuit must be I've got to know by the Holy Spirit what is from the heart of God what is from the mind of God. So we may say our own thing there's two ways in which that can happen one is intentionally which is so wrong we shouldn't do that because that is like you're trying to manufacture something that doesn't exist. But the other way is when we are growing in our understanding of hearing from God sometimes you know we interpret wrong which I think is okay because it's just part of the learning process and slowly we figure it out and we're like oh yeah God was saying this but I kind of heard it this way I shouldn't have it becomes a learning experience and you progress from there. But the point that I'm making is the Holy Spirit can reveal the thoughts from the mind of God and that's what we want. We're always thinking okay God what are you thinking you know we are curious what are you thinking and as long as we are able to gain that and then we move out of that there'll be a lot of supernatural like today in the book of Acts that's what I was talking about like when Paul he goes from like he starts off the missionary journey he's at Troas and from there his desire was only to go to Bithynia but the Holy Spirit says no no you go to Macedonia he gets a vision and he sees one Macedonian man telling him no please come please help us so these are all the directions of the Holy Spirit and it's so nice to see that so many times people were led by what is birthed in the heart of God and there was an impact on every city wherever they went because they were so directed led by the Holy Spirit the revelations of God and there was so much demonstration of the supernatural so same thing applies to us today we need to train ourselves to hear from God to function with the spiritual mind okay and if we apply only the natural mind the verse clearly said that the natural man the natural mind cannot discern the things of the spirit the spiritual mind needs to be operational and yeah ultimately ultimately the good news is this passage closes by Paul saying we have the mind of Christ okay how can we have the mind of Christ because we have the Holy Spirit who reveals the mind of Christ and it's like one of those truths of who we are in Christ okay we do have the capacity to walk with the mind of God okay I say that with a lot of humility not that you know we are so proud that yeah we can know what God is it's not like that but there is that capacity to function with our spiritual mind so often that we can know what God is thinking about any and every situation and then move accordingly and there'll be so much of impact so much of fruit so much of the supernatural because you know we are talking about the supernatural in our lives so any thoughts about demonstrating the supernatural through the renewed mind any questions regarding that if you have we can talk about it and then we'll move on to the next key which is anointing yeah ma'am as we are talking about our spiritual mind where we have learned that it's only through spiritual mind we can understand the thoughts of what God is saying so what are some of the things that we can adopt how we can start practicing to have this spiritual mind okay very good question so what are some things we can do to exercise the spiritual mind see to exercise the spiritual mind we need to let it work that's what I would say because practice is so key because when you go to a passage like there's one in Hebrews chapter 5 and verse 14 okay Hebrews 5 and verse 14 I'll just share it it says solid food belongs to those who are of full age that is those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil so the first portion of what the writer of the Hebrews is stating is solid food or full of age referring to mature believers or grown-up believers okay in the spirit not necessarily age but in the spirit those who are stronger in God who are able to have solid food because in this passage he also talks about drinking milk the pure milk of the word babes so he's talking about the growth that takes place in us spiritually so maturity how does maturity happen he states here those who by reason of use have their senses exercised that means what I told you Prince the more we operate in the spiritual mind the stronger it gets it's like faith faith is like a muscle we use that analogy the more you exercise the stronger it gets same thing when it comes to the spiritual mind the more you tune in and listen try to listen from God then it's it's it gets faster it gets easier it gets better but also sometimes when we are trying to listen from God like we are in some situations and we are asking for God guidance we want to actually listen what God's instructors what God's because but at the same time there will be many other thoughts that show up maybe our own experience thought that comes from during all this was how we can actually have like discern this is not from God and this is from God so in the next section we will consider scripture but I'll state it now because it's relevant it's one John chapter 5 and verse 7 where it says yeah one John 5 and verse 7 it states there are three that bear witness in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three are one now let's focus on two parts there the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three are one I think in some translations it says like the word and the spirit agree something to that extent so for us here is here is the understanding so when we keep saying okay you let's practice hearing from God the more you practice the better you hear now it is not separate from knowing the Word of God and growing in the Word of God because see the word and the spirit they agree right oh yeah so it's not the translation it's the very next verse that says these three agree yeah agree as one thereby the way we look at our senses becoming stronger princes if I want to hear from God accurately I should get strong in the Word so the more I meditate the more I visualize the more I confess I act on the Word it puts me in a better position to hear faster or more accurately from God so we can't do this independent of each other so the point you were making is sometimes we have our own thoughts sometimes we have some distraction how do we know which is God which is not but the more well-versed you are in the Word it becomes easy to eliminate so that's how it is so you can yeah yeah correct correct correct so yeah aha I know I know what is going through okay I was praying for him yeah so I have all these thoughts in my mind because I know him yes if I get something from God I mean how can I decide like it's from me or it's from God for the random people and all if we go and pray maybe if we see something if we send something we can directly can say very poorly yes because we don't know about them we got this correct if come to a known person yes then how we can discern so see in this we usually say something practical which is if you get an impression or a prompt or a you know a word from God when you're not looking for it generally it must be God because you're not premeditating it for example if I am thinking if I'm thinking about my sister and then I get something about her it could just be psychological because I'm so worried about them that I'm getting my mind is working overtime and I'm getting a picture or it could be okay but let's say I'm just driving okay and I'm thinking about this class and suddenly I get an image about my sister it's out of the blue out of the context so most likely I can accept that because it's not from my psychological mind okay so yeah that helps that is one thing yeah when you're praying for that person correct so when you're praying and when you're intentionally seeking for a word at that time also what one practical thing I've heard people says the first thought you get you receive that and go with it okay because like if you if you think too much about it like some thought comes to your mind as a word from God we should develop that ability to pick up that first thought I don't know how else to explain it to you but I hope you're understanding what I'm saying somewhere you get to know that it's not you and as I said the more you practice you'll know wait a minute that's me sometimes I get that I get an arm pain I'm like that's me it's not a prophetic word for anyone so I better not call this out but then there are other times when I send something and I'm like hey no this has got to be a prophetic word I have to call this out so you'll get to that place keep practicing but practice will help a lot just step out just step out just begin to take the like be bold will we make mistakes what do you think yes we will okay but we can do our best as much like integrity of heart know the best knowledge that I know I've done all the elimination in my head according to the word according to the psychology everything and then when you after that also you feel yeah this is it go for it and then it just gets better and better I hope there's some yes okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay yeah so see familiarity I'll just state that for the online asking is when people are familiar we have concerns to hear from God for them because we don't know whether it's just a familiarity that we are speaking out of but you know I would say that even when it comes to prophesying and all right what we usually says go to somebody that you don't know and then you pray for them because you can just avoid that but there will be those rare occasions where there is no one else to pray for that person and you have to pray and you still have to trust God to get a word for them yeah yes Francis ma'am you said like thinking about one person is more and is get a thought is according to psychology so like I know one thing like is mind reading I don't know I learned about that what is that so I talk with one of the counselor okay she's a pastor so she said mind reading and is not the concept of Bible and psychology is not including including yeah reading mind okay coming under the hypnotism and all so how is it is like if you are thinking about one person if he's not coming from God yeah yeah something yeah so I would say that Francis see because psychology is still scientific and logical okay anything that goes out of the boundaries of logic is you know either supernatural the good part which is from God or it can be from the demonic so obviously when we look at scripture always go back to the word of God always go back to the nature of God let's think is there any instance where God lets us read other people's minds no not at all not at all prophetic is different it's not mind reading so therefore we can conclude that it's demonic yeah so better to stay out of those things which one biblical counseling how is biblical counseling you mean to say that when we are counseling someone we will understand them a little bit and guide them yeah yes yeah yeah so how do we do that is of course we have to use both natural and spiritual mind so natural mind will give you some logical answers like yeah out of logic is from the right supernatural that is God's source whatever we said now the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God and he reveals to us we have the mind of Christ so access into the right supernatural and do it yes regarding question ma'am way like like it's happened something like when we my question is like my question is like if we know someone like if I know one person is going through one loss yeah if I go and pray mostly it's because I know what he's going through that's why we're going to go and pray and it's not necessarily can is from God telling me to go and tell he's going through it I already know what's going he's going through yes but still I feel like to go and pray for him over the situation so when we are praying that we receive some words like or even before going also pray we know that his situation and so we get some like we like okay I will go and encourage him with this words so will it comes under this prophetic word yeah or it's not out of our own emotion or we feel that connection with them we are giving or it's actually God is also using the knowledge that we have to speak to the person yeah so the checks just to be careful we can have checks on both sides we ourselves can check that's what I told know the more we read the word the more we practice the prophetic then we'll we'll come to know to the best of our knowledge what we are sharing is a prophetic word okay so we'll do that and then we'll share it but you can also put a check on their side and say this is what I'm feeling you pray for a confirmation so if you put it that way then what happens that person will not take your word as the final which is actually good because then they will trust God for a confirmation and when the confirmation happens they'll act on it so it's safer so why I asked is like some of the times when someone comes and pray for us or someone asked us to pray yeah we'll actually ask them do you have any request to pray for and when we know their request and when we are praying for we'll be releasing some words correct yeah so I have actually asked as I've heard some pastors say that no not Paul there's another pastor I used to know he would say don't let them talk like you know if they're saying prayer request keep it minimum sometimes what happens is you know people will say so many things they'll say I have a fracture I was just going out of my house I went two steps ahead I opened the gate like one full narration will happen you're like yeah yeah correct yeah what I said then what happens your brain your everything starts to work so he used to say don't listen just ask what pray for pray for your pray for your fracture okay come let's pray so that way just to avoid the that psychological bias somewhere I believe it somewhere I practice little bit of it yeah you guys will have a baby he prophesied then after that he prayed those people don't like no pastor we are not husband and wife we are brother and sister he got shocked from next day he was he was asking what's your prayer request oh like that is it yeah yeah correct assumed she was going to have yeah yeah so correct so fair enough fair enough but you know the point that I'm making is to minimize the knowledge of the you know like who they are and the kind of person they are to minimize the knowledge of that but even when it comes to releasing the prophetic word we have we share this in understanding the prophetic that we need to ask them I sense that you know I sense that maybe you praying for a child so when you communicate it like that does it make sense you're giving that person an opportunity to check whether what you're saying is right or wrong so moving away from that says the Lord you are going to Japan pack your bags you know there are very rare occasions when we do that because maybe for somebody God wants to get their attention unless you say that says a lot they won't listen right and God may give us that thing to say come on this is the time you have to say that says but 99% of the time the way we prophesy is have any one of you been praying for a child you know like basically you want to say that God is going to give you a child but to communicate it present it in a better way to reduce error so yeah so yeah yeah yeah yeah to see safe side or aggressive it depend basically the communication is what we are talking about if God gives a word if God gives a word we definitely have to act on it right either we pray through that word or if God impresses us to release it then we release it and the miracle takes place or you know whatever there is direction there's healing there's deliverance so you got to act on it either way either by praying about it or by telling the person but yeah you have to act on it now how you present it whether you're presenting it in what you're saying aggressive or you know safe it's up to you I most of time I tried to be super safe but it's still prophetic yeah it can still be prophetic yeah sometimes it affects people's faith yeah yeah oh controversial topics yeah elections and like how people I mean this this big church pastors and all interpret about this politicians and it won't happen I mean for sometimes it won't happen and some say sometimes it will happen because they'll they'll know all the analysis and all because of see it happened before I was in our state he was prophesying on a big crusade like when one party leader came and he was saying your party leader will become a CM next year like I mean how come I mean is that good like it's it's some way if it is not happening people there will be so many people who used to mock us like you said on the stage yeah so see where when we talk about the prophetic understanding the prophetic we will talk about levels of progression where you have something known as a simple gift of prophecy all of us as believers can operate in the simple gift of prophecy which is first Corinthians 14 3 exhortation edification and comfort to people when we prophesy okay but then there are other levels like grace gift of prophecy and then the office of a prophet so usually when it comes to speaking to leaders speaking to nations and all it tends to be the responsibility of the prophet generally God will reveal to a prophet whoever is functioning in that office so also there's a whole lot of other things about the wisdom to communicate it and and all so my point that I'm making is we must stay away from these kind of prophecies like even if we are sensing something you just pray about it because we are not you know in that office of a prophet or anything to go and communicate it in public you know what I mean and it creates so much confusion now maybe the people who are speaking these things it could have been a true revelation but maybe they could have prayed about it or personally communicated to the individual concern that I sense this pray about it work towards it something like that and left it there but when people bring all these prophecies to the public space okay it's not very judicious it's not very discerning and it creates a lot of confusion so most of the time confusions have happened because of this okay so yeah but if someone's in the office of a prophet and then God is revealing these things there is a way to communicate there's a way to communicate and it can be done rightly because yes God can communicate why not predict who's going to be the leader so I'll summarize yes yes yes yes yeah correct correct yes yes okay so Anand's question is people who flow in the supernatural ministry are mocked when things are wrong like things don't happen or there's a false prophecy yeah okay so how do you how do you understand this so as I told earlier Anand there is going to be a little bit of practicing exercising our senses where being you know being sincere even though you're being sincere some mistakes might happen okay so the way we look at this is we won't immediately call them you know false prophet or false pastor the reason is mistakes can happen from all people okay so like even let's say in teaching we've seen maybe there are there have been teachers of God's word who initially said that there's nothing like the supernatural there's nothing like the baptism in the Holy Spirit and then when they get the revelation of that then they say I'm changing my teaching about the Holy Spirit yes there is a baptism in the Holy Spirit but we don't call them false teacher no because over a period of time they have they have grown they have developed they have matured and they have understood the doctrine clearer right so even teachers sometimes there stands about some matters change as they understand the word better you got it but we don't accuse them as false teacher but I think the supernatural people have a lot of interest for the supernatural so it gets noticed faster and when something goes wrong people start accusing and saying what you pray nothing happened no healing happened you prayed and this person died you know such comments people make but I yeah yeah so these things could happen and as I we discussed earlier there can be so many reasons for why something went wrong but when people are accusing they don't think of all that yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes correct sure so I'm saying that some pastors or preachers they'll just stick to the word they'll not explore the supernatural because it's too risky they'll get a lot of feedback they'll get a lot of attention but I think somewhere we have to take the risk because we have to go by the word Jesus taught and he demonstrated the supernatural so it was part of his ministry and he told us also we went through that initial thing right the invitation where even we you shall do greater works than these so we carry a mandate just because people say people accuse we should not go away from it but I get your point of how sometimes the way it has been done is not very nice which is why people have their reservations for the supernatural because they didn't have a good experience when it comes to the supernatural because these things I mean they're abusing but they won't be no one will comment they'll just be there and do if you do that then the videos come out like like whatever and okay oh okay I see so okay so the thing is like when a mistake happens not even a mistake not even a mistake just the manifestation just the supernatural yeah tongues yes yes yes yes when you see the perspective of them they're showing in a very bad way like Christianity yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so in social media just the manifestation of the gifts of the spirit the supernatural is being marked a lot and that's something that's come to your notice see we do run the risk of being marked but the point I'm making is we can flow in a very honorable way and in a very wise way you got it so when we are practicing let's say the gift of tongues usually how do we do it it's in our circle so that we need that discernment we need that discernment yes of course sometimes there will be some public meetings but when we have I'm using the word practiced now that you all know what it means when we practice in these safe circles and we go out there in the open maybe I have to preach in a crusade at least I'll have the wisdom to know what to say know what not to say or how to release the prophetic word how not to release who to release the prophetic word to so when we operate with wisdom even for the supernatural somewhere you need that then we can escape at least try to escape most of these people who are trying to catch you yeah that's all like his question is from some people will be doing keeping all these healing and deliverance or maybe casting out demons they will be taking all this and they will be uploading in their profiles and some people they will be taking they will be creating memes on it or is it needed we need to do it because people who are gentle like Christians we know it other people who don't know what we are doing take it and make fun of it so is it not dishonoring or definitely see if we are working if we are not discerning and it's giving more and more opportunity for mockery then it is dishonoring God so I think as God's people we need to take a stand and have that wisdom to say maybe certain things don't need to be published we practice it in our Christian like our churches and all that and something that's very verified so I don't know if you have noticed even when it comes to testimonies we are very careful so we won't just randomly say literally a person would have emailed so we have the date of the email they themselves from their email id they have emailed you then yes of course it's come from someone it will be like the doctor said some confirmation that's when we will actually read it out so about every matter if we are going to be little more judicious wise then it will create more and more of an atmosphere of faith and lesser and lesser an atmosphere of doubt mockery so that's our responsibility as leaders and believers ok ok so even close friends are seeing all these things they are interpreting ok ok so it's leading people away from God how about we pray and we pursue God and we try to become that testimony of people who are strong in the word and strong in the spirit so they can see that yeah this person can be so sane but this person is also talking about the supernatural there must be something to it so I think you have a great task ahead of you Anand sure can we take one last we can take only one last question 3 minutes left as we are speaking about spiritual mind and doing things you told we need to practice and we need to exercise so is it ok or can we start practicing on ourselves practicing for ourselves for example I give like for me most of the times it's like a prayer and also sometimes it's like I declare by faith we'll play this you know games on Saturdays when we have end game when we are holidays we will be playing for me the best setting to practice prophetic and to receive God I feel like it's the same because I actually ask God what is the last God I'm going to put end with because you knows ok and sometimes it happened for me and sometimes I just prayed for other people like ok if you gonna finish the game what the color of the card it will be I prayed actually to be frank and I got the color I told them ok but even when I told I'm not sure I told you will end with this red color card and actually when he finish the card it was red actually ok see is it actually acceptable to practice that way so when we say practice it would be good to practice it in the context of you know like following God and serving people so more in terms of you know praying for them hearing from God for them that way ok so when you say for myself that's revelation that's not prophecy like if I God revealed something to me that's revelation that's different ok now when it comes to things like a game and all I would be a little skeptical about it because I mean what's the objective of the game ultimately it's to win right so then when you're asking God ok show me show me it doesn't sound very edifying or exhorting or comforting to the other person so I would maybe you can practice in another context is what I would suggest but I have Ravli is on this call Ravli you remember that phone story I don't know if you're able to speak but maybe I can share so it was weekend school of prophetic ministry you're ok if I share it I already mentioned her name she should be fine I guess so what happened after the prophetic school there were a lot of people so those of us who had gone to share we were praying for the people and I think there were a lot of participants and Ravli was also there and her phone hung there was some issue with her phone she said can I have your phone I have to make a call it's urgent so I just gave my phone but I didn't tell her my like I had what do you do like a picture password I didn't tell her my password because I was so busy praying right and I'm going on praying praying praying and I forgot about my phone I forgot everything after the prayer was over I went I apologize to her I said I'm so sorry I gave you my phone but I didn't tell you my password she said I already got it I was like are you serious you got my password she says yeah I opened your phone I made the call it's all done I was like but how apparently she just like prayed and she got some sense and she did that she opened it I was like God it's not fair but you know what I mean God honours our faith that is there but these are all controversial spaces to get into yeah so just stay away don't try to ask God for people's passwords yeah just FYI okay so we are up time is gone as usual okay I'll consider doing a Thursday class when one hour is available from whose class Pastor Paul's class okay sure I'll let you know early next week okay yeah we can try that but I think the learning is part of asking sure good so shall we pray and close then okay who would like to pray thank you for this time that we have in this class keys to supernatural ministry and how you work in and through us Jesus and Lord I pray that we could become more sensitive to the voice of the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit will reveal to us your thoughts and your mind Lord Jesus and God I pray that we will grow spiritually we will be strengthened and I thank you that we have such a good time in this class and I thank you for your blessings in your name and prayer Amen Amen okay thank you everyone and today I will post assignment okay and also I'll post the final assignment early enough so that you have sufficient time to do it so yeah alright have a blessed day thank you God bless you God bless you all on the call as well God bless