 Rydych chi ti'n gwneud arall o'ch cyfnwysgol mewn gweithio mewn cyfnod, am ddigon chi'n gweithio'n gwneud eich gwestiol ac yn fwy o'ch gweithio'n gweithio'r bydd y cyfnod ac ymgynghori'r bydd yn ymwneud ac mae'n cael ei ddim yn ei ddweud ar y gweithio'r poddiol yn awdd. Byddwn i'r gweithio eu cyfrifiadau neu ddim yn cyfrifiadau ac mae'n gwneud yn argyrchio'n gwneud. Mae'r gweithio'n cyfrifiadau. Dan rym ni'n eigylched weithio. Felly ni'n ddegwyddi wedi bod yn dweud nifer. Lleidwyr ffyrdd. Rym ni siarad i gyd. Rym ni ddefnyddio gyda'r fflor. Ac nid i'n gwybod mewn. Rym ni'n bobl eitha'r hoffb ymhyrraedd. A'r rddion gwneud hwn yn gweithio. Er ei ddŵr, rwy'n gweithio beth. Rwy'n fyddi educio i'r gweithio. Ond, y'r gweld y gweld.. Ym hyn ychydig, dyn nhw'n siarad. dyna, a dyna'n pumais llawer na yna. yna... dw i'w ywch yn Cadg yn cymryd, dyna'n gallu ddoedd yr gallwch. Mae gynnal survey ond. Ond gallu dynnu, mae'n tynt o sylfa cyflogol, sydd wedi gweithio. Dyna d Inaudible, a mae gennym yn... ... dyna eio'r llwyth. yna ymwraeth, ac roeddwn i wedi ateb. Mae gynnal, dyna gŵr gyfan hynny. mae'n gyfarod. Mae'n siŵr yn gynnal Ion fel'r flan. And dŵr dw i'n... was blood everywhere and I thought oh s***. We were in the hotel room and we were gonna have a prostitute massage legal high, you know. The setting was set. We're in the hotel room don't forget you know yourself between the camera, sound people, there is a director, the producer, this, there is that. You had to lay on the. He had her single bed there, you had to lay there.你 had to straight lay it s just gonna come in. No you see ladies walked in. iawn yn gallu gwasanaent iawn i gynnwys ond yn mynd yn gwybod i gydyddio am ei gweld yn ddigon o gyflym, a mae'n ddech chi'n siart'au oherwydd… A mae wedi bod adeg arall. Rhaid o fe'n gyntaf, Lleidon. Wedi bod, mae'n ddechrau hwnnw i fyllfon wedi bod chi yn gwybod i'r ysgol'u Felly bob mwyaf. Ac yna bod rydych chi'n sianthol iawn. Yn cael ei maen nhw. Rwy'n gweithi mewn gwmwyaf i'w dduniedig, 30 ysgol, rydyn ni'n amser a fflet, 30 ysgol, rydyn ni'n nifarol o gwaith. Rydyn ni'n olygu 20 ysgol ar rhaid. 20 yr. Rydyn ni? Rydyn ni? Rydyn ni? Rydyn ni'n olygu 20 ysgol ar rhaid? A roedd yn 2003? Rydyn ni'n olygu? A'r ysgol yn'r ysgol, ewa'r ewa'r 21. Rydyn ni, rydyn ni'n olygu 20. Ych yn y gallu'r ysgol? mae'n gwyfyddi'n bwysig i'w gwneud ydy'n mynd, ond o'n jei, mae wnaeth anhygoel gyda'n mynd i ddiogel a dwi'n gyda'r ffwllfa, ond edrychu anhygoel gyda'n mynd i ddefnyddio, ond fe'n ddiogel e'n mynd i ffwllfa, arnynt o'r anhygoel yma, i ddechrau ac eu meddwl y byddai sy'n gwneud i gweithio gwirio niw, mewn ffwllfa, i ddechrau Sannysiaannaid a cael ei wneud, ond mae yna'n beth oes bwyddu. Ond i wneud ichi gynnig i ddeudolol o'r llwyth gyrs, o'ch fathio a'ch raidio'r llwyth a gynnig i drawer. Ac mae'n gallu gweld gweinion i chymdeithasol ar gyfrifoedd nhw, ac nad oedd ymddangos o'r industry. Mae oethai'n gwneud ychydig, rym ni eisiael yn cael ei bod yn cyd-industri. Wrth gwrs, rydyn ni wedi gael, felly rydyn ni wedi cael ei fod yn ateb, ac y ddechrau i arwale i arwale i arwale i arwale i arwale i arwale, anion, bobl e gilydd am gwybod gweithio bydd i hynny. Rwy'n gwybod, mae pob hwn yagedd, mae'n gwybod hynny. O'r gadegrifin. Felly mae'r ystyr ardal, mae wedi'i gydig yn y lluniaeth, o fe wneud i'r ddaeth, a chyngpriddol gyda. Fe gwuzio'r gadegrifin… Mae wneud hefyd. Fe gwwundialch chi wedi gweld. Mae'r gydig wedi cael panfair o'r organicau amser, Rwy'n meddwl gyda'r ysgol. Ychydig dw i'r rhodd drwy'r holl, gallwn os yn ddiddorol ar unig. Rhyw gyd, rhodd arrych atlantig. Ar amlwg ffordd. Diolch. Rwy'n meddwl gyda'r ysgol. Mae'n 15 oed i'r byt. Rydw i'n meddwl, ac rydw i'n meddwl am y gwaith. Mae'n meddwl gyda'r ysgol. Rydw i'n meddwl ysgol. Rydw i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r ladr sy'n meddwl ..gwad iddo yn Cardiff. A byddwn i amser yn y Llyfrgellparter Llyfrgell... ..ryd hynny yma gwych ar gyfer y bydd. Dw i nhw'n rhai pwysig. Maeín bwysig yn fwy adeiladau chi, .. ..diogel am y Llyfrgell... ..yna bwysig, .. ..yna floodedoli'r Gwydrychi. Fe Chymoros Amser Cyddiol, .. ..yna'r Pwysig fel ydy. Mae gennym mewn gweld pwysig yn Llyfrgell Pwysigol... yn y rôl ar gyfer Caerniff, yn ychydig fel Albany Rôl, o rôl o'r byd yn ddod o'r ddechrau i'r penderfyniadau yn llunio gael. Rydyn ni'n gofio'r bwysig i'r broses, ymlaen i'r mfau ac mae'r rhaglen i'r llunio'r gweithfyrdd. Rwy'n gwneud i'r llunio'r llunio, lle'r sgwr yn allan, mae'r bwysig i'r llunio i'r llunio. Rwy'n meddwl i'r llunio i'r llunio i'r llunio, ac rwy'n meddwl i ynglynig. Ac yw'r ymddyliau gweld i'r ysgol i weil fel cysylltu sydd wedi bryddi am gael byddwn i'r ysgol a'r amser. Felly, rydyn ni'n arwain gyd yn eu cynghori'r ysgol a'r ysgol. Ond rydym yn ymddl buddydd i'r ysgol. Rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r busgwyr Rhaglen. Rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r glantnaw. Rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r busgwyr Rhaglen, gallwn i'r glantnaw. Mae, da. Mae'n iawn... Rwy'n rhan gyfath... ... yna sylwn oedd sylwn draf yn ddefnyddio. Mae'r rhan yn sylwn yn gwneudio. Mae ydych chi'n dwylo chi'n dwylo. Rwy'n dweud hynny'n gweithio gwyseid. Rwy'n gallu sgwrs o'r yffodus, i'w chymuch a phoblu. Ond mae'r gwneud o'r cyfrydd eidiw. Oherwydd mae'r eidiw yn dweud. Mae'n hubod i chi'n gwneud. Ymgyrch, lle'w. Rwy'n i. Rhyw meddwl, eich rhai ph Tin? Rhaid your hyn? Rhyw ymdffudd— Rhyw hefyd, rhaid your hyn? Rhaid your hyn, ac rhai hynny'r rhain, eich rhaid your rhain yma. Rhaid your hyn? Rhyw hynny'r rhain eich rhaid, a rhaid your hyn. Rydych chi'n ME, yna chesff Llyfrgell, y cydnod yn rhaniaid ei fod wedi. Rhyw hefyd i ddweud. Rhyw hefyd wedi ddweud wasinol yn ystyried, rhaid your hefyd. I spent most time looking out the window daydreaming and it was actually on my report in school that Matthew spends a lot of time daydreaming while I was daydreaming about it, I don't know, but I think it was mostly daydreaming about being outside school and not actually inside. I did enjoy doing art classes, enjoyed the odd bit of sport, but even when I played rugby I used to spend half the time picking the grass and the flowers rather than getting stuck in. But yeah, school for me, I just wasn't that interested in just school. I think the majority of the kids, it's the same old shit though, sit at a desk, crunch numbers, learn geography, learn history, but people, it's the individuality and the creativity that you want in life to keep creating, but it can be damaging. We spoke earlier that it's just constant thinking, constantly trying to think of the next move like chess players, but it's just plain chess in a fucking warzone. It is. I wonder what I was in school, that's when I picked up skateboarding. That was me then. I got, well I managed to persuade my cousins to hang out on the streets and my friend got a skateboard, a really rubbish skateboard. I just loved it. So rather than hanging out on the streets, I was actually skateboarding whilst hanging out on the street and I asked my mother if I could have a skateboard. No, too dangerous. But then I just constantly kept using my mid-skateboard and then I actually went, I remember going out on the street in my road. Number 10, my road used to live in Cardiff and I said, look man, look what I can do and I showed what I can do and then I have to quite a bit of convincing. I had a paper round and a milk round at the time. She said, well you can have one but you have to picture it yourself. So I saved up my paper on a milk round and I bought myself, actually first of all I got a pacer, hogs. Now I had pacer wheels and I had, I kind of remember what the board was anyway but I had these pink wheels, they were great and then I bought a vision psycho stick which was my first proper skateboard. And I took so much time over putting the grip tape and made spider web grip tape out of it and that was me then, I was hooked. As far as I can see, I couldn't shit about school. All I gave shit about was skateboarding and as soon as I came back from school, skate, skate, skate, skate, skate. How were you treated then back when they were skateboarding? It wasn't as popular as it was now? No, it wasn't popular at all. I mean, I had to see the very late 80s and I mean I, there was a shop in town called Seatsurf. Sadly Seatsurf was actually just behind us there and it moved to the top of there and it moved to there as well but you know it was the internet and everything, people buying stuff online and fortunately it went down. But it was with us for 30 years and back then that's where we used to get our skateboards from and they supported the scene big time and Jono, the guy who owned it, supported me a lot as well so I'm really grateful of him for doing that. He always gave me cheap boards and stuff and it was a good time. It was such a small sport and not many people did it when you did actually see a skateboarder when you were out in town. You were like, oh yeah, what's happening man? You were interesting friends and you hung out and you did stuff and even if you went to Bristol or to London or something like that for a day trip, you see the skateboarder, you just hang out like these days. So many people skateboarding, that kind of stuff doesn't happen. So it was a fun time. Is that your passion then as soon as you found that? Is that your one true love skateboarding? Well, as soon as I found skateboarding that was me. I was literally having my addiction, hung lying down and sinking. That's all I did. I went to school all the days on the six weeks off. I just get really early and I would not come home until my mother told me what I might have to be home because my mother was pretty strict. I used to go and I met, that's where I met half my friends today because I used to go to a place just in town down by there called the Cardiff Panks and every Saturday, Sunday, if the weather was nice everyone would congregate there and that's where I met all my, just all my, all my smoke to my school friends I didn't really hang out with. I just made new friends through skateboarding. What were the injuries like then? Did that help when you went to Dirty Sanchez? Did you break anythings, cuts, crazies? I did do too, but I've never broken touchwood. I've never broken like an arm or a leg or anything, but I've broken like little things in my foot or fingers or, I'll say that, I actually fractured my spine. That was two years ago in Dubai. Me, I'm 48 year old with a 25 year old mind, yeah I can still do it and then bang, fractured spine. Anyway, but back then it was just a lot of tweaked ankles and stuff and that's all really, a lot of cuts and cruffs. But you don't give a shit when you're at your, you fall over, back on again, even when your ankles didn't even heal properly, I convinced myself that I would have bought a freestyle board, a smaller board, that it wouldn't hurt my ankle as much. Where's the logic? Of course it did, but it just still carried on. Did you want to be a stuntman at an early age? What age did you realise you wanted to be a stuntman? Yeah, I wanted to be a stuntman when I was in school. I remember seeing to the, because you used to sit down with a careers teacher. It's what you want to be when you're older. I said stuntman. Can you imagine how that was received? It's going to be a stuntman. You want to be a doctor, whatever, you know, all those kind of jobs working in office. No, I'm a stuntman. And that's one of the reasons why I didn't really like school. I didn't want to be any of those things. I just wanted to be a stuntman. I think skateboarding was pretty much a stuntman. Most of the stuff I did on a skateboard I really enjoyed jumping big gaps and big down big stairs and stuff, which was quite dangerous. So I'm guessing that was my stuntmany kind of stuff. And then Sanchez had come along and that wasn't stuntman. That was just day devil. Did you ever visualise anything, the love attraction back then, that to believe you wanted to be a stuntman and then kind of everybody tried to fit you into a small box until you couldn't do it until then eventually becoming a stuntman? Yeah, when you say you were going to be a stuntman back then, there was loads of naysayers. They'd always say you were like that. It was different back then. If you said that now, all right, I'll read it to you. Well, let's see if we can do some research and see where we can get you as there's got to be a stunt school somewhere you can go to and learn. But back then it was just you classed us. Well, you might be a stuntman. I'd be giving them Hollywood do stuff like that. And I always wanted to be a Hollywood stuntman because I'd see cult severs on TV. I'd jump off a tower building and break my neck and legs and I was like, yeah. And, well, it didn't happen to me. Well, it did happen. Sanchez was my stuntman days, I guess. Yeah, it was. I mean, I was in movies doing it. Yeah, it's fucking still doing it on MTV. It's not too bad. How did that The Sanchez come about? Very popular show back in 2003, was it when it started? 2001. I mean, Dayton were, me and Dave Best made hanging about skateboarding. I met him at the Cardiff Bank, where it was on about earlier. He got a video camera and we were filming. We just did lots of filming of us skateboarding. And I currently at the time, Barma Gaira was doing a show called CKY. Camp Kill Yourself was. And we were just happening to be doing filming as well. It was just one of those things. And we got loads. We filmed those big skateboarders in the UK, the Ben Leighton, Allie Karns, Matt Davis, me and Dayton had a scape section as well. So it was always me versus him. If I did something, he had to do it. We're always playing pranks on one another. And we thought, brilliant mother. And Pansha was in it as well. And he was always falling asleep. So we were filming him sleeping and fucking about with him and doing what we normally do with Pansha. And then we knew of a guy called Dan Joyce, who was always, would turn up the skate comps and he was like the food cake that I always did. And we thought, he'd be great for the video. Let's ask him. What do you want to part? Yes. Let's do it. So we did some filming with him. So it was like a mixture of skateboarding, pranks. It's like a comedy skateboard mix. And at the end then it was going to finish with what the main thing was Dan Joyce having a shit in his hand. Had a cardiff beauty spot. Not far from my house now. And putting the shit in his face. And that was big back then. I mean, you can see that on the internet every day now. But back then it was just, people were like, you are, you did what? So yeah, I was on the video. And then we finished the video with me and Dayton having a fight in Lenox, Lewis and Jim. And we put the edit together, cut pressure for this Dayton. And it just was one of the most talked about skate videos at the time. And CKY was out as well. And then Jackass came on the TV, MTV America. And I think then MTV UK wanted a similar kind of show. And I was working for Globe Skaters at the time. I was a team manager for the skate team. For the distribution company called Double Overhead. And I got a phone call off a woman called Martha De Lap from MTV, a talent scout. And she said, oh, can you come in for a meeting? We'd like to do, possibly like to do a TV show with you. And I thought, it just didn't wind me up for something. Because he got some moment to phone me up. But no, it was her. So I phoned, daint up, told him. We went for a meeting. We gave him the videotape. And then they called us two weeks later and said, can you bring the small guy and Joycey with you? For us went for a meeting. That's what's happened. Did you realise how popular it would be? Or did you just think it was a bit of fun? No. No, no, no. We got it on stage. This is going to be one series and that's it. So let's just have a laugh. And then, you know, that's just what's going to happen. We're just going to go back to normal jobs for them. I think when you start going out and everyone's going, no way, I love your show. And it's just been absolutely crazy. And I think at the time it was MTV's biggest sold show outside of the UK. And it was their biggest show. So it just took off. And then they kept calling us up again. So we went and do a second series. Then it was a third, then it was a movie and so on and so forth. How did that affect you mentally? A kid skateboarder from Cardiff to then being a household name? Well, from being a-hated. Because when you were skateboarders back then, nobody liked you. You got everyone's effort with just little scumbags. We had fight for security cards, get off a build and stop skating. You know, stop doing that, stop doing that. Wouldn't let us into pubs and nightclubs and stuff because you're dirty skateboarders. But then when MTV came along and the show came out and it was a big time. All of a sudden, yeah, come drinking at our pub. Come drinking at my club. But you know, it was fucking great. Free piss. So yeah, happy days. Just going in and just enjoying it. It was a good time. Some day you stood in the ladders and some day drove right through the ladders. You'll have to crash your own. Whose idea was that? I think that was the very first stunt we ever did for Sanchez. And I said, because my stuntman days, I've seen it before somewhere. I'd love to do that because it looks good. Don't get away. You're not going to be. It's not painful. It just looks good. So I thought, if we get a ladder a step right, then I stand on top of it and you get a car driving these fast and not just land on my feet. You just all laughed at me because he obviously knew different. And now we've got this car. Put it up. What do we call that place when we did it? 8052. We call that place when we did it. And he came. He was coming rolling towards you. I thought he needed to go faster than that. But he was just, you know, you're up there. You're not going to stop. And he was just too late and he hit it. Next thing I know, he just fell on my back and then come off. Felt like I broke my neck. And I'm quite glad it happened like that because it was funnier. I mean, how boring would it be if it went perfectly? I would land on my feet and go, didn't it? Shit. But it went wrong. How much pressure does it put on you to try and do more extreme, every series, every prank, every stunt? Does that come, I mean, old pressure with that to try and get more views, to try and get more popularity? It's always, I mean, it was different back then because we didn't have internet. We did have the internet, but we didn't have stuff like social media and all that kind of stuff. So you weren't searching for likes and all that. But personally, for me, if I was to do a stunt, I'd have to do it. And the next stunt would have to be tougher than the last stunt. So you're always pushing a barrier, pushing a barrier. Because if you push it that high and do something that low, then what is it to the viewer? So the pressure, I sort of got that. I got that with skateboarding as well. Because I like doing this, jumping the stairs. And if I jump by 10 stairs, then people expect me to go 12 stairs, 14 stairs, get bigger and bigger. Just to see an improvement. But, you know, it gets to a certain amount of length. It's just, yeah, you fuck yourself. That wasn't getting any younger. But with Sanchez as well, of course there was a pressure, a mental pressure to keep beating the last stunt. And just because, I mean, you have to, don't you? Because to keep people interested and keep people seeing more crazy stuff, you have to keep pushing the barriers. And I think that's just human nature. But I think we pushed the envelope quite an extreme level, I think. What was people's reactions to you and Wales, first of all, to what you were doing? People's reactions, what? To Dutch Sanchez, did they accept it? I mean everyone loved it. Especially blokes. I mean, it's a bloke thing, innit? Oh yeah, if you can smash a few beers, smashing bottles on your head. Doing loads of narcotics, just do what you want. Living life, going bonkers. I mean, a lot of women loved it as well. But it's not really a woman kind of show, isn't it? Seeing a load of men pissing and shitting on each other. Sticking drumsticks up their ars and smashing bottles on their heads. But at the time... You haven't sat in either? Yeah, you can see that. But it was just fun. We didn't have a kid in the world. We were young, we didn't give a shit. Empty, we were paying for everything. Let's fucking go, man. Literally we got the key. I opened the door. And behind it was a lot of fun. What's the worst thing you've done? Worst thing I've done? It's quite a few. Stinging owls. Drumming in the stinging owls, naked. Me parents were in deep wrestling. Literally 12 hours of just... We had bumps all over us. Almost an epileptic shock, I think it was. I'm just just like... Having the worst bad trip that wouldn't go. Of course all these wives' tales. If you put duck leaves on it, it goes. That doesn't work. Somebody said if you piss on it, it goes. Me and Daint, Daint was in the bath. I'm pissing on him. Just to see if he can get rid of it. Pouring vinegar on him. We were just doing anything to try and get rid of it. It just looked like a wrong scene. If somebody walked into that bathroom at that time, they would have been like whoa, what the hell is going on there. That was one thing that was bad. Getting shot to point blank range in Prague, I had a bulletproof vest on. I got hit with a shotgun. There was a camera on the floor filming up at me, and there was cameras behind the shotgun as well. When you look down at a double-barrow shotgun, with just a bulletproof vest on, and all you've got is your sunglasses on. It was quite gnarly, man. I thought, shit, what have I said yesterday? I blew me backwards, scarred all my chest. One of the bullets went through my arm, and knocked me to the floor. I was just like, whoa, buzzing my tits off. It was fucking brilliant. I remember saying, and then the cameraman came up to me and went, can you do it again? I forgot to press record. What did you want? The camera on the floor, he didn't record it. He's like, no, oh my god. I'm not doing it again, no chance. And the guy who shot me, there is no way I'm doing that again. I think he just walked off, but there's that. There's loads of things, man, I just can't. The paintball is sore. Paintball is sore. Did you just not try and beat the world record for that as well? Well, Jim fooled me up and he said, Jim Hickey, the director, he said, we're doing the film. What do you want to do? I was born to be in the Guinness Book of Records. He said, yeah, but what are you going to do, though? I went, what? He did paintballs of one of the first things in the first season. I said, I wonder if I can take as many paintballs to the human body and if there is such a thing. Jim goes, leave it with me. I'll do some research and I'll find out if there is. Let's do it. She came back to me and goes, not realising he's most probably spoke to Daint and gone, this is going to be a wicked wind-up. Just telling there is. He said to me, oh, yeah, there is. We'll reveal all on set. I said, oh, brilliant and wicked. So we got to Russia, like minus 25 in this basement somewhere, dark, dingy basement. There can be this paper reading a Guinness Book of Records, printed and everything, really professional. And they said, the current world record is Anthony Kelly from New South Wales and he's got 102 paintballs. I was like, I can beat that. And these paintballs, because they were so cold, the paintballs were getting solid. So I stood there and I did 103 and my body was in a fucking mess. Literally I was swallering arms, everything. Stoked, found my parents, found my mates, found everyone. I mean, again, it's a book of records. Two weeks later. I got in Thailand and I did something. Well, I love dating tasks. We got my cock to wind him up. And then he went, I've got something to tell you. He said, you know, the world record, I made it all up, so there was no such thing. He'd actually wrote the papers himself and made it look professional. And I was like, you're actually bastard. But I'd give it to him and that was it. And he goes, you've just got my name on your cock and I've just fucking stitched you up with paintballs. But I said, I thought I didn't. Every time I have a wank, I look at your name. Did the MTV ever tell you that no rats too much? I think, was there anything he said too much? I think one of two things I think may have got, I know that my grip, the grip tape house, when I got, we put sandpaper, glued sandpaper to the floor and I put my ass in it and they got things going, tracked me across the whole thing, like a meter of grip tape. I've never seen that. What was that one though? Ripped all the skin off the ground and then saw them and they got blood everywhere. And I think when they did go out, they'd get shown, you couldn't show that these days. And then they blanked the screen. You could hear the screens, but you couldn't see any. And then eventually it got banned. So yeah, that was, yeah. How was the boozing stuff then, the drugs? Was that the heat overall? Or was that the just beginning? I mean I've spooked quite a lot about this before in the past. So, I mean it's nothing new to anybody out there being pretty open about it. It's just, you know, young dudes, you've got a pocket full of cash. What are you going to do? We're all bloody nutcases anyway, you can tell me, filming the show that we were doing. And we just, yeah, just, it was like a lucky dip really, wasn't it? Let's go for it. And we'll go for it. We went absolutely head first. Let's go. Did it make the cranks easier and the responses? Or were you sober then, doing them? Most of the day stuff we were sober, and most of the stuff you see in the house, we call house of doom, where we were based. That, a lot of that is sort of drug, drink and drug fuelled. Not all of it, but most of it is, like the night time stuff. Not much of that made it for obvious reasons, because it looked like we were going our faces off and stuff, but that doesn't look good on camera. But yeah, I mean, most of the stuff we did sober. And when we did live shows, we realised, because we did so many shows over the year, when we first started doing them, there were just car crashes. There was no sort of planning into it. We just got on stage and battered the living shit out of one another, looking like we'd been in a multiple car crash. But we realised then that you could never do cocaine before going on stage, because everyone would be talking over one another. One person is more important than the next one and they're just like a clusterfuck. So we all came up with this deal. And the same with alcohol as well. Too much alcohol, it was just a shit show. So we all came up with this deal because of the two-point rule. So you'd have two points before going on stage. So about professional as well. Yeah, because at the end of the day, people are paying to come and see us. I know they won't carnage, but they still want to see a polished show, even though they won't carnage. And just seeing us arguing on stage wasn't... I'll say that. It could be quite funny an argument on stage for us a lot, but... Yeah, just that to be. How hard is that to be doing what you're doing on TV, on stage, and then seeing people on the street expecting you to be that character, but do you have to get into a character straight away? Or do you just like fucking leave me alone? You're tired. How hard is that for people to see you and think you're going to be that way all the time? Yeah, when you're young and the show was at this peak and everyone was loving it, literally you go out into the street, into the clubs, in the night time, Friday, Saturday, but absolutely bonkers. You would public enemy number one and everyone would take photos of you, which is great, because they all love the show. They all want to get pissed at you. The famous question, I don't know if I'll slap me in the face. I'm not going to slap you in the face. If I can sue me or something, I'll smash this bottle on my head or do something stupid and it's like, oh, come on, I'm not a performing monkey. But then, depending on how wrecked I was, he didn't do his stupid stuff anyway, but it was... I didn't really mind it to start with, but then after quite a few years of it gets a bit tiring. But at the same time, you'd never want to be horrible to people and you didn't want a time to fuck off because they're your fans, they pay your wages and they, you know, you've got to look after them. So you just sort of try and put them down nicely and say, oh, come on, just have a little day off for a bit. How did you end up in the advert with Wayne Rooney and three kids from Wales, one from England to then being one of the greatest footballers of all time? Nike phoned up an agent, and a member of the agent went, right, lads, I've got a bit of a job for you. Nike's been on the phone, and we were like, ooh, Nike, big brand. They want to do like a football thing with Rooney, Catooso, of Torsten Frings, and a few others. And we were like, oh, ace, this is brilliant. Yeah, of course we're after it. Yeah, just going to be the pay packet. It was going to be decent. It was Nike, and getting to go and hang out with people like Rooney and stuff as well. It would have been amazing. But Rooney was the first one, and we were meant to be, because we were going to film at Rooney's house, but then I don't blame him. I don't think he wanted to be at his house, but let's go to a house where it's pretend it is. It's a big, huge manner, with a big field, grass. Rooney was going to be on his mower, on his football field, and we were like, Rooney, running towards him. And I just thought, poor, poor fucker. He knows what we do, and he's got us four running towards him, going Rooney, so he better not do anything to us. But man, he was sound as fuck. He was really probably a nice guy. And I read a laugh for them, and I remember, I couldn't believe how hard he kicked a ball. How hard and fast. I was like, how would you do that? And anyway, he read the goals, I went like, penalty, and I'm going to be the goalie. And he kicked the ball, and I swore to God that I dived, like a proper dive, and I saved a Rooney penalty. And it was just, it was the best field that he did. I thought my hands were going to come off. Honestly, yeah. I saved a Rooney penalty. Was that a good moment for you, to then getting big brands like Knight coming from you, even all the stuff that you've done? Because it's still a talent, and it doesn't matter people, even if you're winging it on live shows, it's still a talent to be creative for people to enjoy, especially the human brain span. Watching a show, and creating something special, where millions are watching, that takes talent. That's a talent, that's creativity to then be creating it. How much would you use in control of the show and the final results, or was it all production telling you what to do? It was a bit of both really. I'd say MTV would come up with a few stunts and they'd have them all listed down. And then there was a lot of spontaneous stuff as well, and we found that the spontaneous stuff was the best. Because it wasn't planned, it just came natural. We always said don't turn the cameras off, just keep the cameras on, because even when we finished filming something really funny could happen, like an argument on my app, would just be hilarious, whatever, but we always found if you just kept the cameras rolling, you'd always get gold, because if you know what you're doing it's planned, so it's not going to be as funny, but with us just the spontaneity stuff was the best though. How did Pancho accept it with getting his hair shaved all the time, eyebrows, and going off his fucking nut? Was does he really sleep like that? Like where he's out, he can't hear clippos, he can't hear shit? Right, Pancho, I love Pancho the Betty, he's absolutely brilliant, get on with him like a house on fire, I hang out with him every now and again, lovely bloke, but when he's had a drink, especially when he was hanging out with the three of us and he knew what we were doing, he was always on 10 drugs, and he'd have a drink, he didn't stop drinking, and he'd become a little bit of a nightmare, not on a bad way, he just thought, oh, Pancho, don't see you, sometimes he'd look you and he'd hit you across the face and go, ah! I was like, what the hell was that for? Ah, fucking nothing, fuck off! And then he was like, me, Dane, Joyce, looking at each other going, anyway, so that's why when he slept, we always messed around with him, but he would get so drunk that he was just, he was like, that's how out he is, but we got to know him so well, we thought, right, when he's gone to sleep, don't mess with him, give him time to go into that deep sleep, but as soon as he's gone into that deep, we go, yep, he's deep in and we can do whatever you want with him, and then just leave him, and then when he wakes up, he realises, just make sure you're about 10 metres away from us. You can stand running! You can stand running! I was watching one, he's just shaved the top of his head, and put his head back, his hat back on, and that was out to the house to do, and he went, right, that one, fuck a gig, don't fuck everything, need food. Joyce, you're fucking dead! I'm still going in my head! Oh, brilliant. We've done some things to him, one of the good things he did, he fell asleep at the Scotland actually, he fell asleep and he put one of the delogs on his neck, the bike delogs heavy things, and Joyce said, boop, swallowed the key, so pan she woke up and went, take it off, take it off! Everything off me! But he wouldn't, he obviously couldn't get it off, he said, where's the key? Joyce, she swallowed it, oh, great. So he had that on for three days, I think he was also filming, and he went to the pub on his own for a point, so he'd go to the pub for the delog around his neck and he said, what the fuck have you got that on your neck for? A lot of fucking boys put it on. And then Joyce, he then took a shit and he said, hey, the key's come out and pan she went, oh, brilliant. Get it out for me. No, you have to get it out if you want to get it off, so pan she put his hand in the shit, the key, so get it off. But then he did it to him again with another delog, but this time he put sotsman lids and stuff on it as well so when he woke up he sounded like a one-man band. Oh, hilarious. Did you miss that? Obviously when you're talking about it, you see how happy you are. Right, so how can you not like that? It's just, me and Tate would be, oh, me and Tate and Joyce would just be sitting there laughing cos he's so fast asleep and we just knew what was happening when we woke up. That's like your days to be zero fucks giving, innit? No, yeah, exactly. That's brilliant. How much was the rivalry between yourselves and Jackass, because Jackass was a global show as well, it was massive. Was there a rivalry between yours and those guys, or were you his friends, or did they know about you? There was no rivalry. I mean, they did their thing. They did their thing, we did our thing. I was a Bama Gears skateboarder, I met him before, so, you know, never met John Knoxville, met Stevo and stuff and we went to America to do the Latin America Awards, they were there as well. Yeah, it was all cool. I think the only beef we've had is, I think Joycey went on the gumball once, and apparently Joycey wrecked his, cos Joycey, rather than going on the private jet, he went on the plane with all the cars on it, the Russian plane, got pissed with the Russian pilot and then drove Bams Lambo off and burnt the clutch out. But that's the only, but I don't think Joycey did, but I think somebody else did it. Anyway, Bams got pissed off and he might think it was all of us, but I think somebody did it with Joycey. Oh no, it's all good anyway, but we never really had any rivalry. Cos our show went out to MTV 2 in America, and did pretty well, did really well actually, and then the movie went out to America that answers the movie, and it was available on Blockbuster, Blockbuster Video for hire, and we made 4 million quid, or something like that. Harvey Weinstein bought into it, of all people. Yeah, so Harvey Weinstein, you still owe us 4 million quid. Does he? Well, yeah, this is what we got all. But what we think he did, he bought Sanchez and didn't really put it out anywhere because he didn't want Jackass to get, he didn't want to ruin the Jackass. Yeah, so he bought it to hide it. Yeah, bastard. Yeah, it just fucking goes with his nature then. Exactly, yeah. That's just scary then, how far it can go and how far it went, but I'll just show you how fucked up that and the stress, like any competition, any even brands, whatever it is, people just buy it and sync it. But the thing is, because it was now a brand, whoever sold it, happy days, he just sunk it over the other side. That's just the way it is, isn't it? How hard was it when it was coming to an end for you? Did you already have things on the pipeline or was that a relief? I mean, I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed filming. I mean, when it was coming to an end, if anything was gutting, because, I mean, how can you not love doing that job? It's just, you know, but at the same time, when it was coming to the end, things were getting a little bit more tense, because, you know, the booze then I caught as the party, everything, you know, you're hanging out with each other's pockets so that kind of stuff and you're touring as well, so all that kind of stuff is getting quite heavy and all the boys know that anyway. So, if anything, we needed a nice big break from one another and then started again. But it's a long story. And I'm a forgetful. My head's been screwed over the years, but quite a lot of things happened and Dan and Pants went one way, me and Datemann another way, me and Datemann started and also me and Datemann went back to Pritchard versus Datemann so me and him were touring just doing the Pritchard versus Datemann was successful and we did that. I mean, they did Wrecked for MTV, they did Sanchez Get High for MTV as well and then Sanchez Get High for me was most probably my favourite show I've ever filmed and I'm gutted we didn't do Sanchez Get High 2 because I just really enjoyed travelling with Dink learning how other people live and tribes and stuff around the world and learning their medicines and that was just a really good show and me and Datemann carried on that live show for up until 2014 so it wasn't that long ago and I just and I could just see the crowds were dwindling and at the same time quite an old getting old and he wanted to see an old guy on stage sticking drumsticks up his ars and it just came to that point where it just felt a little bit desperate and it's just like you know, we've had a good run and that's when I decided in 2014 before I opened this shop actually I had some money saved and I needed to do something new I didn't have time before to open the shop because I was too busy touring Ed was in the shed a little bit so I just wrote an email and said I'm out and just went from there then opened this shop and Aida tour manager he manages this place as well so yeah that's what happened for me and that's when I sort of put the plug on it really Was that hard? Yeah it was quite hard it was because I have to say it was almost 15 or 14 years of doing with no stress whatsoever it was just when I say no stress you know what I'm saying you just did whatever you wanted you were getting paid well there was people loved what you were doing it was just a 24x7 lifestyle fun games travelling partying it was just a dream and then that sort of went to Inglis you sort of got a little bit lost but at the same time you've got to look into the future and you've got to live your life yeah nothing lasts forever that's just life that's the fucking circle of life so when you left dirty Sanchez and then done the Sanchez getting high which was another phenomenal show especially back then all the psychedelics and all that kind of natural medicines they weren't really spoke about how did that idea come about I think MTV filmed us up and said we did one series of Rect and then MTV filmed us and said well I was to like this idea you go around the world taking legal lives with tribes and all that kind of stuff but you're not going to say I don't like that idea I was probably trying to do something else but now as soon as me and Dayton knew about that we were like yep sounds great let's do it but then it was good because you were sort of going back to that picture versus Dayton thing me inside out, I know him inside out so he knows how to push my buttons so it was quite an educational show with a bit of comedy as well of me and him messing around with one another and it was just yeah it was a great show it was filmed really well as well some of the countries we went to were great some of the tribes in it were amazing some of the drugs we did were got medicine as they call them were good I mean we did mushrooms with in Mexico never forget it the setting was just amazing it was in the mountains and there was no windows in this building and it was the flesh of the gods I think they called it you could see the mushrooms in this tray the shaman that was there with us I think she seen some of the Beatles as well through some of their mushroom trips many many years ago and me and him just sat there we took these mushrooms and he just saw us through our trip it was just so relaxed and peaceful and it started raining outside the pit of paradise did you eat a snake's heart as well yeah what was that thing it was in Cambodia and they put the snake I mean obviously I wouldn't do that now because I'm vegan but at the time I wasn't they put the snake through distress so the adrenaline of the snake goes boom straight into the heart so you're sort of taking on adrenaline and there's hearts still beating in your hands and sticking in your mouth and you don't wash it down in water you brought a swig of a snake's blood I was in my mouth I could feel it beating on my tongue and I was just gagging it took me ages to get it down and I got it down in the end what's the benefits from that I think it's the adrenaline the adrenaline going into your body which you find I'm just getting like turning you into that man I guess didn't do fuck all the way how many places in the world did you travel for that show we went to Cambodia the Philippines Australia we were going to go to Papua New Guinea but we had a guy looking after a special forces guy and he was a medic as well and he was like a security medic and we were going to Papua New Guinea and he said if we're going to Papua New Guinea I need a glass region as well and he said I need a gun that's a shit that I was going to ask wasn't it I need a bloody gun man and I was like being dated to him being dated to him he needs a gun I don't want to go there but anyway because it was so dangerous and he couldn't get a gun we didn't end up going so he did it for sure on the way into the Dominican Republic as well through some witch mastery kind of stuff so there's a few places Japan that was paid for some woman to shit on dating Z because you get high on sexual gratification and stuff but that was just oh man that was we were in a hotel room and we were going to have a prostate massage legal high you know the setting was set we were in a hotel room don't forget you know yourself behind the camera the sound people there's the director the producer and then we had to lay on a single bed there a single bed there we had to lay there and they were like these ladies are going to come in now so these ladies walked in they had these cat's eye glasses on and they just sit there these little condoms they put in their fingers me and Dave sat there and they they're lubing up their fingers and they're massaging our prostate and they're cracking us off at the same time and I'm just like I'm going to have to close my eyes pretend I'm somewhere else because this is my mate's right next to me and there's loads of people around the camera like go like this and just say hello to somebody else so I did concentrated concentrate because I wanted to come just for the shot the camera and stuff anyway she's cracking me off and fingering my prostate and all I heard to my left was um um Dave Dave did come but as he said I come as well so I came at the same time as him and they looked over at me winked at him and he went don't you dare don't you dare wink at me like that again after you've just shot you both at the same time as me I swear to god man it was the funniest thing ever and still to this day I wind you up a bullet I wind you up a bullet and remember when it came out on TV his mother said to him I've seen what your conflicts are conflicts oh fucking brilliant but yeah and then I pay for him to get a shot on what a laugh so madness how does your mum family members when they watch that stuff do they just see his entertainment or do you tell them right don't watch this tonight uh I mean my my parents watch it they love it I mean oh yeah I put my mother through hell over the years but um you know when you say what are you gonna do today just look just don't tell me anymore but she's yeah my parents are very supportive and stuff they love it because they know themselves I wasn't very academic school so if I'm gonna make a living doing something I love doing what I'm doing then happy days but um yeah it was uh sometimes she phoned me up and said well I couldn't watch that I was almost sick all over the place so I mean still to this when I did that when I did going on the row and all that kind of stuff when I do all these challenges she's always she gets really worried then so I mean I don't like seeing her worried obviously but she's gonna do what you've got to do haven't you and she knows I'm happy so I think that's her mother's instincts just no matter what you're doing you keep in here and they're still going to worry but for the career that you've had and they've travelled the world and making fucking films and series and working for MTV it's phenomenal it is a good feeling and no doubt your mum will be mega proud there's not many people from Wales who says they've had a career that you've had don't you know what I mean like you left the blueprint for some of that mad shit 20 years ago that kids are doing now I don't the stuff you've done then we would never touch that stuff now TV is shit now like nobody cares do you think like would you think from watching the stuff on TV now to then back in the day when it was a kind of open to any idea yeah I mean back in the day there was that there was this, there was Jack Ass there was the Dutons and there was I think there was Team Squirrel for the Scottish guys and that was just that was the scene then I think you couldn't do that I know Jack Ass a film in this fourth film but that's just going to be for cinema but like you say, you can't you can't say anything these days we're not doing any trouble so I dread to think if you really start with stuff like Sanchez we don't be locked up without being a feminist, a sexist a racist, everybody's just words getting through about too much now where people are getting silenced, you can't have a laugh on comedians, I know some are struggling because of some of the stuff like I used to love Roy Chubby Brown, Eddie Murphy people back in the day they were just a free-for-all I've got quite a sick nature and very dark so when I see things I'm like that's not funny because people are just so PG now I mean it's a joke I mean obviously what if you mean it, different story of course it's all I do in meaning but if somebody stand down and it's telling jokes, it's a stage telling jokes it's their job but people can still call me a taffie in a Welsh cunt and a fucking sheep shag you laugh it off yeah, laugh it off but then that's a load of them it's a strange world just live life loving it what happened when you were in a supermarket and somebody stabbed you with keys wasn't keys was that knife? they said he got away with it as keys it's like your knife I remember that I was my girlfriend at the time I just went for a run a 6 mile run and it was in Toffwood in Durham knowledge and I ran back to her house and she lived right next to her a co-op or whatever it was so I was thirsty so I walked in and there was a guy effing and blinding screaming at the ladies behind the counter and there was quite a few people in there as well and women and children and stuff and oh man I was just I thought that the actual some of the things you were saying I just lost my I just lost my marbles you can't talk to people like that it's just not on he came by the door and I just ran after him and I just grabbed him grabbed him by his throat just chucked him out the door don't you dare speak to people like that again I'm not an hard guy at all I can't stand fighting I hate confrontation but that guy didn't want to do anything so I just chucked him out he came badging back he pushed the door back in he had an oval plastic thing with a thing you push out and there was a blade and he just went sliced down there on my chest and then I didn't feel it and I turned around I saw my girlfriend at the time she was screaming crying fell to the floor and I was like it was blood everywhere and I thought oh shit and that was that was pretty heavy at the time because you know you just think you're gonna any minute now I'm gonna go to sleep and the women in shop calls an ambulance and one of them came up and they gave me a a tea towel to try and did I wrap it around my neck and tie it on it was just put on that anyway to stop the bleeding and I think it literally just missed my jug this is the jugler this is so close to it so he's put it on there and then I just sat down to give me a seat and I sat down and I just was just honestly I was just waiting to go to sleep I thought any minute I'm just gone and then I was there for quite a while until the ambulance came and I thought well if I'm being here all this time it should be alright anyway the ambulance came I got in the ambulance and then it took me to the hospital in Norwich and then in that situation you look at other people's faces I was really calm I was quite surprised how calm I was considering I thought I was gonna die but I kept looking at other people's faces and you can tell by the look on their face how bad it is because people do that or and when I got to the hospital they took it off I saw some of the doctors and nurses giving one of those looks I thought that was really bad anyway I was fine I was good obviously I'm still here I did a lot of internal stitches external stitches I kept something there in my chest and then I went and just relaxed in it my girlfriend's house at the time and then I went to court and the guy got five years Nicker I've been dead I couldn't walk easily all the stuff that you've been through the madness with Dirty Sanchez and tried to help women in a supermarket and thought you could have been fucking dead what year was this good question 2006 2007 2008 so at the height of your career at the height of Dirty Sanchez and all the fame, attention yeah but just it wasn't the height height but it was still pretty well known and that's taught me lessons I mean it's sad really you should be able to get involved in stuff like that but it also taught me to be careful in what's think before you do something how does that make you reassess your life at the time I was like stuff like that I couldn't be here I should be dead because if he hit that wrong there I would have been gone so at the time I thought yeah I'm just feeling extremely lucky to still be here and be able to do what I'm doing I don't know if it I wouldn't know if it's really affected me mentally or over the years maybe or I was mental to start with I don't know I'd have to speak to a professional but if it has done something to me mentally and no doubt it would over that nearly dead when you've brought it up and mentioned it I have gone because it's not only just leaving your loved one at a time it's your mother and everyone else in your life that comes through your mind did you have any flashes or did anything like did you think did you see her light or was it I didn't see her light because I wasn't I wasn't on my way out I mean in my head I thought it was because I knew it was on my neck my message screaming on the floor and that only says to me that it's a really bad character and everyone else coming over to me putting it in and going but um no I just meant to be really peaceful I remember being so so fucking calm and weird like I should have been like you would have thought you'd be panicked haven't you I was just like just sat there just concentrating that but I didn't probably saved your life though being calm because I was led to death being calm probably saved your life could have yeah who knows fair play to the ambulances and the doctors and stuff didn't have to be a good job they don't get the credit they deserve these people that are saving lives every day and the recognition they deserve my mum's a home help and even the work that she does for Codir and just seeing old people every day they do some amazing work let people just help them these are the ones who should be getting paid football or salaries they should be called heroes do you know what I mean there's so many people called heroes these days and it's like anyway I mean I know there's a guy in what's his name the comedian Rob Welsh comedian Rob he did the thing on jobs oh it's bugging me oh damn that's going to do my editing he did a he did a show anyway he does jobs Rob whatever goes and does this this week and he worked in a care home and doing the job of a care home worker and it was really good just shows you how their job is and they just don't get any of the credit or the wages for it definitely man these should be getting paid for the ass for those kind of stuff so going through all that then the career when you kind of you never retired but 2014 you made some changes what was life like after 2014 when you quit doing the live shows well I started in 2009 I think in 2010 I started looking at taking doing a bit of fitness because with the use of going going bonkers so I took his toll a bit and I just wanted to set myself a goal so I did the kind of half marathon when I was 15 wonder if I could do it again so I set that goal and I ran the kind of half loved it and started just sort of found another dictionary fitness running and I was sort of burning the candle at both ends because if I I could do all this training I'd done all the training and go out now I'd do my free pass and then that's when then they did a full marathon and then I was looking to do the Iron Man I did that, I went bolting in 2011 and it just worked my way up with all them kind of things but 2014 do you think the near death experience made you do the fitness kind of things to keep fat healthy on your toes in my death without me knowing but I know when I took one look at myself when I was in Sanchez I was bloated and yellow and it was just like wow my mother become I don't give you wrong I had a lot of fun doing it but I didn't want to be that fit and healthy and chubby and fat and stuff, everything did it that party and like so dust you I didn't want to destroy yourself at the same time and I just wanted to do something about it so I did in 2014 when I started working at opening this place I had another something else to focus on and it's still here today six, seven years later and I've sort of, yeah the party is being turned right down and I just love doing fitness stuff going up mountains, doing the venture stuff hanging out with my dog, hanging out with my fiance just doing the simple life stuff I'm the same like I've replaced like six hundred addictions for another six but it's more healthy I just want to be like some things isn't healthy that I want to be the biggest podcast on the planet I want to be the biggest presenter I want to run ultra marathons but I still question myself I still think what the fuck is it all about see when you started changing at all did you feel happier or were you escaping from more stuff I think like you said I think you changed I literally what I did I changed one addiction for another addiction that's all it was but the new addiction was far healthier than the last addiction but then is the new addiction far healthier because I was pushing myself some fucking add with running, cycling, swimming that it couldn't have been good for my body because it was just doing ridiculous distances and until I got a coach Mark Will and he sort of gave me a plan I realised I didn't have to swim until I almost drowned just to train for an event and that worked really well but still I did one Iron Man I wasn't fucking happy with that I wanted to do a double Iron Man so I did a double I wanted to do a triple and then two years ago I did 10 10 full Iron Man actually in 2015 I did 30 half Iron Man in 30 days and then I thought I wanted to do the 10 the 10 full Iron Man in 10 days which is a continuous version there's two versions there's one a day for 10 days and there's the continuous and the continuous is a 24 mile swim in a swimming pool a 25 metre swimming pool which is 1500 something length and then get out and you jump on your bike and that's a 1,120 mile bike ride in a 7 mile loop and you keep going over the time in Matt and you just keep going and he was doing 21 hours a day on the bike 3 hours sleep back on the next day keep going and then once you've done that then it was the 262 mile run in a 1 mile circle around the links it was just going round 260 times and then across to finish line done How do you feel after that? Fuck Is that a sense of accomplishment a completion of something mentally, physically Do you think you enjoy that there's a moment you enjoy that maybe 2-3 days later cos I imagine you've got cuts and sores and blisters I was completely my body was completely out of the ruin but when I was I just enjoyed it cos I switched myself off I found the world in life too noisy and just like my head just went ahhh and just any kind of excuse when I'm on when I'm riding, when I'm cycling, when I'm swimming it's almost like a meditation thing for me I'm away from everything so I switch off so when I was there doing the deca it was just all in the same place and you shared in the race race if you can call it with like minded people and you just go round the circles my phone was switched off my emails were switched off and it was just me in my own mind but the same time my endorphins were kicking off and it was just me in my own world but again I don't know why Is that when you feel free though cos it's like switching off from it's like disconnecting from the universe even the podcast, the documentary scenes the views, give me attention, give me likes that's not what fulfills me it fulfills me for 10-20 seconds when I'm feeling low on a poster photo from 2 weeks ago for people to give me some attention I'm not really happy but I want attention but when you're on running you're pushing yourself to new limits, new heights the body can go through so much it's the brain, we're both for comfort so if you're pushing yourself to the pure extreme feeling free, feeling alive you feel as if you're living taking chances, taking risks I said that on the boat when I was rowing I said I remember saying it to the skipper I looked at my phone and he said screen time when I'm online my screen time I'm 10 or 15 hours here 12 hours, 12 and a half I'm like that's disgusting and on the boat it just came up it's 37 minutes it's 37 minutes for reason cos I'm fucking living and that's exactly what it was I'm not doing anything on my phone, I'm rowing every single fucking day and that's living that's living because look at human beings now the lockdown's finished but people are too scared to come out of the house they've conditioned themselves into pure fear fear of anxiety that they don't want to do anything that's a scary part what does the training take to do 10 Ironmans in 10 days? I think, again I did it with no, I didn't I didn't train when it was what I should have I know that but I've done with experience experience I think would help me get through it and I know I'm pretty mentally strong enough to do it but still I was going into the unknown I've never done that many that much distance before so I trained what I could and I think you could only train to a certain amount anyway cos as soon as you get to a certain peak the only thing that's going to get you past the finish line is your mental toughness and I did the swim wasn't too bad when I got on the bike that was the testing thing, the bike was just my all my undercarriage all the skin had gone being taken off so it was just a red roll so I had to keep looking after that making sure it didn't get infected cos if it got infected I would have been game over and I couldn't sit down on my bike seat for a good 45 minutes every time I got back on it cos it was so sore so it's just I think it's just that too stubborn to give up, to quit I ain't gonna fucking quit and my leg would have to fall off for me to quit, yes I've been paying yes I was moaning quite a lot but it is what it is and there's no way out I wanted to cross that line and I wanted to get that buzz across the line ten full I am in ten days and I crossed the line I had the Welsh flag around me some tears in my eyes, my brother's on the line give him a hug Have you ever been depressed so I say though? yeah but yeah I've been there yeah I've talked about it before, I talked about it I did I don't really want to go there again that's okay man, of course man I spoke about it I did a show called Wild Man to Iron Man for BBC and I opened up about it then I don't really want to go there again yeah of course because I was told from experience as well that I'm doing we're doing the 100k, I get a calf injury but the majority of people are doing these extreme runs and pushing themselves through extremes I've battled addictions back in the day had those mental thoughts and mental battles and I've replaced it with something else but it's still who's been close to the close to death, close to the suffering and they've bottled it up and then they'll maybe try and heal the suffering through alcohol, drugs whatever it is but then doing it through an actual phase which is I believe anybody that's fucking struggling, anybody that's watching this or really battling is to get out in the nature even walking, even if you don't I don't like running, I don't fucking like it I don't like it but yeah I'll go and smash it 50k running I'm thinking but see for that 3-4 hours after a long distance run I feel untouchable it does disappear no I'm not a doctor but for people that really are battling, nature where it's at exercise is key, just keep believing that you can make changes and that's important for anybody that is struggling 100% I totally agree nature, a massive place, a massive part I said with running, running is the most easiest thing you can do put your trains on quite the door and I've always said this doesn't have to be 20 miles, don't have to be 10 miles don't have to be 5 miles, even if it's a mile and you're guaranteed if you felt like shit the hardest thing to do is get yourself off our sofa if you can get off your sofa put your shoes on, run out the door run a mile or whatever you're comfortable with come back in the house, I guarantee you you will be a different person to what you were before you left, every single time nobody ever regrets a workout and today with so many people I've been out of going to the doctor with depression I've had a surgery on tablets this, that, that, I'm just trying to sort my head out, the only thing that's sorted my head out is exercise now doctors, instead of doctors prescribing pills and pills and pills and pills to people they should be prescribing gym memberships and giving them workouts to do and stuff you watch your life change as soon as you start doing exercise and getting out in nature rather than sitting down eating shit food watching the TV, watching the shit they put on that TV constantly that's not good for anybody and everyone's just been locked down we've all been locked down and we've been stuck in front of that TV and especially with the news I have some news at the moment that's not good for anyone that's what your nose was off people are arguing about this it's just you are allowed out to exercise as well in lockdown, so make use of that time get out and it's not easy for everybody I understand that because a lot of people haven't got gardens, a lot of people are locked up in little flats and stuff for anyone out there if you want to sort yourself out go for a run definitely so the role how did the role come about rowing round Atlantic was it 3,700 miles no 3,200 miles for 3,700 how did that come about, was that just another way to test yourself and push yourself to pure extreme my mate John Askell he's a fireman, I was doing stuff with him in 2011 he was raising money for the firefighters charity and test goes on the treadmill in full fire outfit breathing apparatus as we take it and turn the stuff and he was going to do the Atlantic from Lagomera to Antigua he did it amazing watched his journey, followed his journey and then in lockdown I went for a bike ride and he lives on a boat now in Cardiff marina and I could see him outside and he said I'll come down to a kingdom I'll spend some time out in the bay I'm in beers and stuff and I'm in a chat and then a few days later he phoned me up and he said oh do you want to rule the Atlantic and I got asked a few years ago and I just said no because in my head it was just for me it was death, it just spelt death for me this for this time, why I don't know because I just see some big bratsy out there and they're big waves and you're a goner anyway he asked me and I didn't even think about it I said yes anyway because it was locked down and I couldn't think of any way better to be away from my house on a boat with nature rowing so he said right cool I'll speak to the monkey fist adventures guys Billy, Barry and Alex and I gave him a ring to find out what is it in tale and all this kind of stuff and then Barry came down to speak to my parents to tell them what what it's going to be like on my mother's day actually I checked before I said well I said yes but to confirm my yes I had to check with Aid, my business partner in year Miles, Head Barber Mam they obviously they all just give me permission and then he came down to where my mother was entailed and it just went from them cool, we're going in into January from London and start training, start eating putting on weight because you're going to lose a bit so I managed to get because it was locked down I managed to get a row machine from my mate's gym putting my front room in the house Mark Whittle, my coach he gave me a training plan and then I just started rowing in the house rowing on a concept 2 row machine that fucking worst thing ever just in the house nothing but anyway did that and we chose the other people who were going to be joining us there was Johnny the guys travelled to all the countries in the world and then there was Martin who has been in the audience for many years he was a 62 year old and then there was Billy since four of us Billy was my partner on the boat and Johnny and Martin were rowing partners on the boat as well but there were so many obstacles women it would go on but not because of brexit covid borders being closed and we did a lot of research into how we can get there legally and apparently if you're doing such big charity events you're allowed to you're allowed to get into Lamsa Rotty so everything was above board we didn't do anything illegally and we got there and I spent some time with Johnny and Martin got to know him quite a bit before we went and then Billy was coming with a boat from Avermarina boatyard and that took 8-10 days getting the boat turned up loads of stuff was going wrong constantly like the boat got there then we couldn't get the boat out we didn't have the right paperwork we really needed to go man because the hurricane season is in May in Antigua anyway we launched from Lamsa Rotty it was just the first week of March and started rowing out to Antigua and it was most probably the most emotional thing I've ever done I can't begin to tell you anytime not on the boat before leaving because there's a documentary going to be made about it so we were filming for it and I had to face down my fiance before leaving and just trying to trying to say goodbye to my fiance he was just in tears man I couldn't speak because to me I was going out with the big bad sea to die which is, you know it's efficient it's a gnarly day and I had to pull my mum and dad I was crying doing her it's just got on the boat and then off we went and then we got next next to and it was two days in and the Billy said to stop rowing because the seat that I was on the rollers the thing started snapping so we had to put the para anchor in which is a big parachute which goes in the water on a hundred foot line which then stops us from getting blown further we called for the SOS Spanish SOS they came to rescue us and all they did was argue between them we were like oh man we've got to get this power anchor in trying to pull the para anchor a hundred foot of line and they're like and then the next thing crashed into us the rough seas as well brushed all the fibreglass on the boat I'm just sitting there going oh my god and we've got anywhere yet we're going to fucking sink we they hooked us up took us seven hours to pull us back to Fort of Inturna we packed the boat up there took five days to fix it and then we hit the seas again and then it was two hours on two hours off 24 seven for seven weeks until we got to Antigua Was there any moments at Fort of Inturna that fucked us and I'm just going to get a flight home there was a good opportunity for people to do that I was like nah nah I mean as much as it was quite scary I thought nah I just wanted to get going on that boat really wanted to get going because before going out of my head was all over the shop I was losing the plot and I knew that as soon as I got on this boat I'd get to the other side of the massive smile on my face and I was looking forward to it but just being the first two weeks was amazing I was just like yeah man you've got to wake up and you see the sunrise every morning you see the sunset moon rise, moon set I've never seen that before and I was just like what and when there was no full moon and it was dark you just turned right off on the boat and the stars and the milky way it was just like nature's cinema and it was just and you drove for two hours you go into your little cabin you cut your food you jet boil the water, put it in the bag dehydrate your food, zip it up 50 minutes until you eat it so you get about an hour of sleep wake back up again, two hours repeat repeat and then when we got to because one day we had really bad weather I can use some huge smiles and I was like I said to Billy because Billy's done the engine ocean he's done three other oceans so this big red he said yeah this is pretty big I was like right game on I was going right at the top of these waves could see everything and next when you're down the bottom and you look up and it's just this water of water it's like fuck it's a proper roller coaster and then there was one day which was no literally the smoothest sea it was just glass and there was no noise at all it was so peaceful and the boys were sleeping so we woke them up just so they could come out and witness it there's four of us sat on the deck just looking had a bit of a moment that's good to have a moment a natural moment after a run sometimes I feel very emotional I lie in the bath and I think I feel fucking like yeah I feel as if I've accomplished something cause I'm an emotional guy anyway I cry majority things obviously when I'm alone I don't know what the fuck it is just a build up but after a run I lie in my bath and I think I've achieved something here because I know how much I can slip over the last four weeks I've done my calf I can't run and I've just blun battered the weight on again I should still be going to the gym I could still be going cycling that's just my get out of jail free card do you sometimes have tears when you're running because man the music I listen to is sad as fuck so I've got a whole mixture of music I listen to sometimes an audio book or motivational stuff or dance music but I've got a mixture of sad music that I know makes me sad reason beings because I don't know if anybody else does this but sad songs make me realise that I'm still alive so they make me go why should I quit don't quit because people are dead that would still love to be so that reminds me it's quite a dark thing but it still reminds me that I'm here so keep pushing yourself James there's limits and there's so many stairs to the ladder that I want to go in life so it's fucking weird that I do do with it that's why I asked you if I get run as high I do that very often when you know run as high it's just the best thing you just feel like a superman fucking Batman holding one and there's music playing you're high as a kite naturally high as a kite and sometimes you just start crying I say to my missus I come back that was an amazing run it brought me to tears was it painful I was just fucking so happy that's a great feeling but that only comes I've done that once when I've done a 35k for the second time it brought me to tears after that I just felt lying down in the grass and I wasn't pain to a certain degree but it was a happy pain because I'd accomplished something again I shouldn't be running the runs that I'm doing at 14-14.5 stone but I still go out and smash them comes up here man I'm fucking I should not be running those I shouldn't be running those it's like the boys are running at 12 stone 13 stone great shape I'm 14.5 stone and I'm pushing it after there's a stage that I get to 22 miles a wobble a wobble every fucking time like something comes in just quit and a wobble and then I push through and then I feel fucking great again but I do wobble many times when I'm running high distance I want to get this 100k I will smash it before September I can't start to feel good the way it will come down again but I want to maintain it I don't maintain I get myself in great shape and then I go fucking missing yoga and you have been doing hot yoga but obviously with the the hot down has been closed but you keep stretching and everything I know we all say it but we don't always do it to me the stretching is harder than the fucking runs but you don't worry sometimes if you went through a massive run or whatever it may be and you next morning you fucked and you wake up and you're like I can't wobble I'm happy as a pig and shit yeah I did something man like a positive thing and this and that and you're like that's negative and you can't walk down the stage it's like yes How did it feel then crossing that was there a finishing line, was there a family and friends there what was the moment when you crossed the line after the row I think that was one of the worst things about the road because of Covid not having aah fuck yeah to me that's the moment that's to me that was to see in fact you know your close family of the loved ones after going through all that you know I would well I just know I would have just broken down into tears seeing them and I knew they weren't going to be there and I was still quite emotional even though they weren't going to be there I remember Billy remember I woke up in the morning and Billy said to the skipper he was an absolute fucking diamond by the way and he said have a look behind you I literally turned around and there was a cliff a cliff I could see it all with my eyes it wasn't miles away it was just there I was like fuck have you fucking done it and I just had this little moment of myself and I had some tears in my eyes and stuff you know you just look back and you just you think fuck seven seven weeks out to see you know you've done it never thought I'd ever do that in my life and then you just see that that's amazing congratulations proud of you brother I genuinely was waiting for you I was sending clips to let my sister and that I was like how well he's doing but days you would look fucked you're lying in a bed and the way it was falling off you day by day but I was genuinely following your journey because I think if you can do that I get jealous you could do it I get jealous even though you're root for people when you want them to do well I get annoyed that's the way my mind works if I see somebody running 300 miles that's amazing but I think I can fucking do that I'll show him for me to do it because everyone knows I'm an axe record and if I can show them I can do it then to them hopefully that will inspire them to think well if you can do it how can I do it I think I need to if you can do these big feats of physical endurance why anyone can do it anyone can do it if you've just got to want to do it if you don't want to do it where do you go from here Ruffin now how do you use that bar I asked Billy the skip I said engine ocean because he's doing the engine ocean next year he's going to be the first people from Australia to Basel or something like that engine oceans they're different categories really tough apparently engine ocean I don't know man I honestly don't know I'll do it with another ocean because I really enjoy it so if I get the chance to do another ocean I think I'll be up for doing it I don't think my mum and my fiance will be though but after doing something so physical I knew from experience that when I got home I'd have to concentrate on doing something set in my mind for another challenge because I think there's a thing called the row is low I'm guessing any ultra endurance thing and I have had it before just go whoop just start eating like shit and just doing nothing so I wanted to find something new another challenge to do and then I found out there's this backyard ultra thing in north Wales August 27th and it's run four miles 4.1 miles every hour you have to complete four miles within the hour until you can't run anymore and then the person who wins is the last man standing so I mean I'm not going there to win I'd be happy if I can get the 100 I've always wanted to do the 100 miles in one go and I think that the event happened last weekend two guys Matt and John and they refused to give up and the record was 75 that's 75 hours and they kept going around and they beat the world record and they just kept going and they got to around 80 and Matt took the towel in John had to finish another lap to cut himself a winner so he'd been running for 80 hours with no sleep and it's 357 miles I'll say it man just shows you what can be done though it won't exactly just shows would you just go and try and do the 100 straight away without taking a break if I run and stop I'm fucked I can't really go again everything seems to seize up with me so I would need to go full steam ahead and just try and get it done as fast as I could dating Thompson it would do you know what I mean but I if I was running my normal pace when I'm fit I could do four miles in half an hour but at the moment I'd be looking at it about 45 minutes so I'd usually have 15 minutes to take on some food some maintenance and stuff and then off again because I know people all over the 48 hour one but that's four miles every four hours every four hours every four hours that people are doing and people are struggling with that because you still need to get up at 2am 6am it's not easy man to do that and would then enjoy anything from 1am to 5am it's the hard how's your sleeping pattern just now how are you getting up in the mornings are you feeling lighter getting up earlier yeah pretty good I mean my Mrs is over from W so I was actually going to wake up at 5am this morning and go for a run start training for that for the ultra but I didn't do it this morning I got pissed off of myself you don't score anything I meant to do it and I was like I'll get a run in later I'll start tomorrow and then Wednesday I'm just joining someone calling me on some run he's doing 15 man of things in all national parks across the country so I'm going to join him on Wednesday sleeping at the moment easy peasy sometimes I go through stages I can't sleep because my mind is constantly ticking and yeah that is where it is I'm the same that's why we've got to keep pushing myself that's why I'm constantly travelling as well just to keep busy keep his feel as if I'm achieving something and working hard what about the vegan stuff, celebrity chef dirty vegan, how did that change your life as well well I was looking I was doing a lot of stuff I was doing a lot of the ultra-introling stuff and doing a lot of research and a lot of the ultra ultra runners, cyclists a lot of them are on vegan diet and I wondered why so I started looking into it and then there was somebody said oh watch Cowspiracy and to me veganism was not eating meat or dairy and that was it and then I watched Cowspiracy and it just blew my mind like there was more to veganism than just not eating meat and dairy how much more did it take just to make a burger and all the the methane and the stuff that caused the greenhouse gases and just I love animals as well so it took me all this time like 2015 for me to realise that I'm eating like if I saw the sheep there or a pig or whatever I couldn't kill it so if I can kill it then why should I be allowed to eat it you know I've got a dog let me love him to bits somebody was going to cook it and I go absolutely fucking bonkers so after watching it I just went right that's it I'm just going to stop and that idea I went vegan the next day and started cooking because we had to start learn how to cook without any meat on your plate because I did used to eat quite a lot of meat, meat and veg or whatever it was and that then sort of brought me back into cooking and my love for cooking and that's what I studied when I left school when I left school I went to college for two years I became a chef had a bit of a bad experience so I worked at a Persian restaurant in Cardiff in City Road and the manager was just a proper bully and he bullied me he was just a really shitty time so much so my father wanted to go round there and absolutely batter him but obviously my mother stopped him from doing it but he just put me off the industry and I started cleaning windows and I was skateboarding at the time as well it worked for me because it wasn't working as many hours but then I started cooking again and I thought let's do a YouTube video and I was looking for ideas and stuff for vegan recipes and everything on YouTube and every YouTube channel I went on for vegan recipes fucking boring great recipes but the people presented them I was like let's do it and let's have a laugh so I contacted Pete and James two friends and they liked the idea so we started, we hired Airbnb somewhere in Gloucester which had a nice dress they've been fancy dress just made some recipes cooked them and we had a laugh doing it, it was great and from that then BBC came knocking so I had a meeting with BBC we hooked up with a company called One Tribe Productions it came up with an idea it was called Dirty Vegan and they commissioned it and we went out filming basically the whole show was about me convincing people like ice hockey players a women's rugby team school kids at a school about the benefits of a vegan diet especially a sport kids with their brains and stuff thinking and it was just and I go and meet scientists as well so they'd give me the science behind the food stuff, vitamins the minerals and everything which is in the vegan diet and it worked really well it was a really good show I really enjoyed doing it especially doing stuff with the devils popping meat eating guys cooked food for them they enjoyed it so the first CDs it just all happened they were fucking crazy as soon as they said we've got the show we started filming for it but at the same time we wanted to do the wild bantawai man to become the first person to do triathlon around Wales so I jumped in the sea in Penarth swim 25 miles to Porth Caw in the sea get out of Porth Caw cycle following the whole coastal path of Wales taking in Anglesey as well and then stopping the very end of them running offers dyke down to Cardiff that was the challenge so I was trying to train for that a film for 30 vegan one which the days were really long because nobody had filmed the cooking show before and then I got told they want to do a book I haven't got time to fart so I used some of the recipes that I did on my YouTube channel for the first book and then it went when did it go? I think it was 2017 hit the screens I was the first vegan show ever to hit the UK TV so I was quite proud of it and went out vegan in 2017 and did pretty well then we filmed the second one then it was a good laugh from some career brother and from what you're doing now the dirty Sanchez party boy to then becoming vegan travelling the world it's unbelievable, you can see your eyes are clearer your skin's clearer I believe you hit your prime in your 40s your 50s, there's people out there doing marathons in their 80s like there's no limits to where you want to go in life there's no limits to how far you can go so you're still down to this to try and quieten this down a wee bit and truly go for it for anybody watching brother that's maybe in the struggle just now what advice would you give for them? for people struggling quite funny you say that because I was speaking to my fiancé it was yesterday the day before and she's told me to meant she said you need to bring this up in your podcasts and stuff because she's quite sorry to make her quite emotional that's okay brother I get quite a lot of messages of people seeing that they're struggling on taking your instagram various platforms and stuff and they've seen if you've got any advice and I try my best to answer every single one of them but you just would not believe how many people out there at the moment struggling with drugs, drink mental health loads of stuff and obviously a lot of them know that I've been through that myself but I don't know for I mean the only message I've got for people out there is just don't give up I know it's tough I know it's hard, we've all been here you've been here a lot of us have you've just got to keep fucking track of it man don't chuck the towel in because it may be a bad day today but tomorrow will be an even better day and if you put the effort in you put the hard work in and you don't stop the award and like I said earlier it's pretty easy to look after yourself but your train is on for a run or even a walk if you can run exercise is key if you're playing listen brother for coming on today and telling your story I thoroughly enjoyed that followed you for years back to dirty science days and even now I think you're an inspiration for what you're doing, your fiance your mum must be so proud of you for everything that you are achieving and sometimes I don't think you give yourself the credit that you do deserve from what you've came from at that time listen no matter how many runs you do how many rows you do around the world we still battle I work hard because it's it keeps me sane to a certain degree even though it's making men sane it's still keeping me balanced that I feel as if I'm achieving something while we'll ever be truly satisfied I don't ever think so but as long as we can keep pushing myself and leaving the blueprint for other people to then make better changes in our life from drink abuse alcohol abuse, drug abuse whatever the fuck it is over eating people and they're eating people are really struggling and if we can bit the forefront and try and make changes and try and be honest with our own lives and our own struggles then other people will find inspiration from that but for yourself to keep pushing on in 10 Ironmans and rolling the fucking Atlantic it's unbelievable do you realise what you've actually achieved or do you still doubt yourself still doubt myself yeah it's crazy brother the self confidence in everything is terrible and I still doubt myself but like thank you you just keep keep pushing do you just keep swimming don't sink brother thoroughly enjoyed it and I genuinely look forward to seeing what you do for the rest of your journey God bless you check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast thank you