 I'm an introvert with extrovert tendencies. All of these things that go into the computer can cause fear and panic. Oh, mate, I love you, mate. It's so kind. Do know that it does feel like it isn't going to end. It will. How do I...? How do I...? Oh, balls. Bobby, how are you, brother? I'm really good. Today I am really good. It's nice to speak to you. You've already made my day. You sent me a really nice message this morning, and... Yeah, I'll tell you what. Your empathy and your compassion really, really touched me, and I'll tell you why. I was watching the SAS program, and then I went on YouTube to... I found you, basically, and you were talking about the SAS program. And how you interpreted their life and their story and the empathy that you gave them is really crucial right now, just in general. So I thought I'd reach out to you and say I appreciated it. Oh, mate, I love you, mate. It's so kind. And I asked you before you pressed record, I asked you how you were, and you say kindly, your guests ask you how you are, and I always say the same thing. You said I'm in paradise and it's all in there. I'm in content. I've got to content. How do you get to paradise? I don't think there's any such thing as like being happy every day, right? I wish there was. It would be great if that was an end goal. You could just aim for that, and one day you get there. But I don't think you ever get that. Life is always going to be ups and downs. And the way to live in paradise is how you interpret those ups and downs. So it's how you make sense of everyday incidents that might not be pleasant, or they might be the opposite, might be delightful. But it's kind of like rolling with the highs and rolling with the lows, but staying in the middle. Basically, all of these things that go into the computer can cause fear and panic. The difference between me now as a middle-aged man and the person that I used to be, I saw it, said that's interesting, tomorrow will be different. And it was. Whereas before, I understand a little bit about your history. If that would have happened, I thought I used to think that I was going to feel that way for a decade. When I joined the Marines, I joined the toughest basic training in the world, or past the toughest basic training in the world. I just took everything as it came, Rob. What we're doing today, we're doing that right. Give it your best. Try and pass. Tomorrow's a new day. It was when drugs, possibly a bad acid trip I had once. After that, I started to know what anxiety is and that kind of thing. And this girl moving forward to South Africa, recognized that I was in an anxious state. She just went, don't worry about a thing, because every little thing's gonna be all right. I'm seeing to Robbie Williams. There you go. There's a tick off the bucket list. Nice. I was different to you. I sought a two drugs to fill in the blanks. You know, and when fame came to me at a very early age, I was 16 when I joined, take that, it sort of magnified all of the negative aspects of who I thought I was. And before that, I was quite content, but I was vulnerable and incredibly sensitive. And I felt like I'd been born with an open wound. And then when I was thrown into this mosh pit of show business, it intensified the negative aspects of my own self-doubt. So I took drugs to become the person that I thought the world was telling me I should be. When really, you know, I'm an introvert and it's okay to be an introvert. I'm an introvert with extrovert tendencies. I'm an extrovert for a living, but I'm an introvert in real life. I wonder if the anxiety and the depression and the lack of self-worth and self-esteem for you was a sleeper self? Do you know what I mean? It was there, but maybe you just blocked it out because of the trauma of what happened to you. How do I, how do I, oh balls, how do I get the screen back on? Oh, there's, should I call you back and you can edit it in? Yeah, well let's, let's do that. Mate, I'm loving it. Okay, so you were saying that you have a binge every now and again. This is what I'm finding for me. I've been sober for 20 years. I haven't had a drink for 20 years. In that period, there was a period of time for a year where I relapsed on a certain substance. When I was 19, something happened to me one evening where I woke up the next day and thought, oh, I'm an alcoholic and I'm an addict. I didn't do anything about it for another two to three years. I've mainly been a sober person for a majority of my life. Where I am now as a 46-year-old is content. I don't, there's no binge. You know, I think the last bastion of negative addictions for me that I can't cope with is food. And I've sort of, I'm getting that down. I'm managing that. I'm managing that addiction. What I was thinking over the last couple of weeks in this slipstream that I find myself in of sobriety is the delusion of our reality when we were growing up. How old are you? I'm 50 now. Okay. So the school doors close and the pub doors open. And as simple as we breathe, we just walk into those pubs and it's a lottery whether you survive them or not. What it's becoming apparent to me is there doesn't have to be that paradigm. The paradigm that you, you get your entertainment and you deal with life from numbing yourself. You know, I'm just, I don't want to do anything about it. I'm just finding it interesting as a sober person of 46 to go, yeah, we didn't need to do that. But it was just the, the river was taking you, you know, and I've got four kids and I, and they're all young. My oldest is seven. The youngest is three months old. And I wonder how they are going to approach that particular phase of their life and how I'm going to approach that particular face of their lives with them. Because I don't know about you, right? And I know this sounds crazy, to some it might not. I think drugs are like the equivalent of a Ouija board. And you don't know what you're opening up. And I think that when people talk about demons and sorting out their demons, I think they're actual demons. Let me tell you, the greatest hits of the worst time I've ever had with drugs are painkillers. Yeah, it's the angels, my song of the greatest hits that have been the most problematic. Nothing is a day trip or a walk in the park. But pain medication is fucking evil. Yeah. Evil and legal, just like alcohol, you know. And meanwhile, you know, the people that own the patent for those pain medications are currently living in 50,000 square foot houses is the thing somebody might be watching this that's actually currently medicated that knows exactly what we're talking about. And I would say to them, there is a new reality that you can step into. It isn't easy. And while you wean yourself off those things, you feel like the pain and the discomfort is never going to end. But the truth is it does. And the other side is freedom. I think it's important that people know that. Do know that it does feel like it isn't going to end. It will. We've been to places that only Superman is inhabited. So we think that's normal. It's not, you know, for me, my paradise right now is not being in pain and is feeling content. Yeah. And, you know, that's the sort of a rebalancing of the Richter scale. You know, I often say to people rate your day 10 being orgasmic and one being suicidal. And I just think we need to rejig the scale. You know, because what I'm expecting as a 10, I can't inhabit that place unless I become a monk and meditate daily for weeks and weeks and weeks and years and years and years. But I can inhabit a different 10. My 10. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, very much. I think when I use the word paradise, maybe it sounds a bit too powerful, a bit too sort of idyllic. Because content, I could equally substitute paradise with content. I think I use the word paradise because, like, I genuinely love this planet. I really do. I mean, I love the universe, but I don't think I'm going to see much of it. But effectively, my bottom dollar is we're carbon molecules, right? That's what we're made of, the same as, you know, everything else. Well, the first thing that thinking that way does is it takes away your fear of death because you can't go anywhere. Even if you wanted to, you can't go anywhere, you know. I wrote a lyric and it said, I'm not scared of dying. I just don't want to. Yes, perfect. Yeah. I think I did that the other day, actually, because I think it really resonated with me. Yeah, it's from a song of mine called Come on Done. Yeah, this is an avatar. You know, the Chris, the Robbie Williams. I believe this is an avatar. I say I believe. I think I have a knowing. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. I think I have a knowing. Now, I'm either mad or I know some shit. I'm picking up from you that you and I same thing that people call research, right? And is it research or are we just watching videos on YouTube and are we stuck in an echo chamber? Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating. Do you ever ask yourself the question, is this a simulation? Is this just some? Hey, mate, I asked myself that. I was nine years old. I was on a BMX. I was outside Port Vail Stadium. And I was by myself. And I had this overwhelming sense that none of this is real. And I was absolutely terrified. And I pedaled home as quick as my legs could carry me. And I didn't mention it. I still feel the same. I'm not scared about it. I think it's weird. I don't know if it was a dream. But when I was a kid, I dreamt for some reason, I was walking along this wall. Then all of a sudden, everything went white. And I just kind of feeling that. And the kind of aura, if you could describe the aura, it was like, that's it. It's over. And now when I look back at it, I think, was I imagining like all that new, you know, a nuclear holocaust, that's what, as an adult, you would have described with what I experienced. I don't know. This is it. Sorry, that triggers a thought for me, because my first memory of being a child, we lived in a pub until I was four years old. So I can differentiate when my memory started. My first memory is astral projection, you know, in dream state, floating off around the town. So that's my first memory. You're saying that's it. It's over. Was that nuclear holocaust? It's interesting. Social media on a whole, I think, is a bad thing. But I've been able to connect with you instantaneously. And this has happened in a matter of hours. So there is good that comes out of it, too. I do Instagram live stuff. At the moment, I'm doing this thing called Corona Oki where I take requests and I sing to people. But in the past, I've gone live with people, random people and chatted with them. The amount of spirits that I picked up just talking to people on Instagram live has been incredible. The amount of people that I talk to that are carers, that are nurses, that are fans of mine that like what I do. In fact, I only kind of speak to people that care for things and the earth and other people. And for that alone, I'm glad that social media exists. But then there's the negativity that's very, very powerful that people, you know, it's an energy. And I have the ability to join in with that energy, too. It's only because of the position that I'm in that I suppose I don't. Otherwise, I'd be throwing in callous, dismissive, disparaging, shameful, judgmental opinions too out into the universe willy-nilly, I think. But because I am the recipient of that abuse, I know what it feels like, so I don't do it. But I guess that if I was Rob that was in stoke on Trent that I hadn't been lucky enough to audition for take that and get in, I'd be doing the same thing. You know, I'm surrounded by people in the forces. Special boat service. That's what SPS Marines, Army, and I love them. Very, very, very special people, you know. They look after me. And yeah, I love them to bits. There is a sort of knowing that they have and an understanding. And I think also all of them that I've worked with over the past 30 years, there's no chip. There's no chip on the shoulder because they've done it. They're not sort of, they don't have to be the big I am because they were the big I am. Well, it's like the SAS Who Dares Wins program, isn't it? When you see them go in their little gaggle in their hut and they have to discuss the, I'm going to call them contestants, but the selectees, I suppose we'd call them. They're really quite nice about them, aren't they? It's almost like they care and they want, and that's what the Marines is like. In training, you might be put through your paces and you might get, you don't get bumped out a lot in the Marines. It's not sort of like you, you'd experience in the Army, for example, some sergeant major just shouting at you like you're, you know, you're a nothing, but you do get shouted at at times and you get what you call beasted, which is just severe kind of physical endurance like exercise, which is put on you as a form of punishment. But it's all that's to serve to, you know, to create a fighter machine at the end of the day that follows orders, obviously, when they're told. But behind the scenes, they're quite thoughtful people and they'll sit down and say, right, this recruit through, he's good at this, he's good there, what do we think about that? How can we kind of, you know, encourage him to get better there? And yeah, so I can imagine your security boys are that kind of ilk. And special forces guys are really good. They're not what people think they are. If you see my chat with Colin McLaughlin, he's a really just an absolute gentleman. For seven weeks, I haven't clicked a headline or read the news. I also don't really watch the TV. Apart from a few odds and sods, but I'm on YouTube all the time. Probably a bit like this is, this is where I get my news. Yeah, it's certainly the better way, although obviously this platform is becoming more and more censored. Which reminds me, which I want to get on to. So we're all watching the same videos. We're all coming up to the same conclusions. But I'm on the other side of the veil, right? I'm on the other side of the curtain. And just for context, you know, sold 80 million albums, sold 10 million tickets for people come see me, was the biggest artist on the planet for two years, maybe three years. And I say this, not for ego, just for context. Hey, Rob, you can say what you like, mate, because you thoroughly deserved it. And you've, well, bless you. Thanks, Chris. But there's a reason that I'm saying this, right? Because this is what I'm worried about. And it's discernment in the echo chamber that we find ourselves in, right? You would think that the platform that I was given and have, that I would have heard something, know something or been invited to something, right? I can tell you, on my children, I know nothing, haven't been invited, haven't heard. The only thing that I ever heard about was what everybody else heard about. And I heard about that when I wasn't famous was Jimmy Savile, right? So this is what I'm saying to you. And it's really important because we're coming up with our own conclusions, but we're also magnifying our own thoughts and theories, and the maths is off. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do, because I, yeah, I tell you, I tell you, you know, everybody's saying, you know, this and this and all of these things and Hollywood's in on it and everybody is in on it. It's not true. You know, it's not true. You know, everybody's not in it. I'm not saying that there aren't people that are. I don't know. But you would have thought I would have heard something. And that's what I'm saying is sort of like, look, I was breastfed, red pills. But the reason why I don't indulge this outside of you and other people that I talk to is because there is a chance that you could become a red pillock. You understand what I'm saying? Exactly. I think it's why a lot of people get to a certain point, Rob, and then they just pull back because it all gets into the realm of subjectivity. Yeah, you know, and you do you think hang on a second. There's Rob there in Los Angeles. He's got a beautiful wife. He's got four gorgeous kids. He's, he's, he's trying to get by, you know, like, like everybody else is really as he got time to be going to meetings and, you know, drinking the blood of children and all this kind of stuff, right? I, I, I would say right here now, I wouldn't dismiss anything. Me neither. Me neither. Why then? Why all the symbolism? What, what is who? Listen, I'm down for symbolism will be there down for. Yeah. Down for. But who actually gets it in the, in the, in the videos and the, and the, and the songs and let me tell you, let me tell you, you know, the zeitgeist of the moment is this talk for certain people, right? What popular culture does and pop music does is regurgitate what it's receiving and present it back to you. Now, I myself, like I remember when I did the shame video with Gary Barlow, I put on a Masonic ring because I wanted to, I wanted to wind people up, you know, I wanted to, you know, prod them and take the piss. What people, and in my lyrics, I've put in things that those will know, will understand and those that don't, it just passes them by. The reason that I've put them in is because I'm going, Hey, I'm interested in this. That's what I'm doing is I got, I'm interested in this. I think there's something in it. And then I sort of, I suppose that it's sort of like for me sending out an all points bulletin going, are you picking this up too? Are you receiving this too? You know, and I wonder if that's what other people are doing because that's what I'm doing. You know, it's like, I've got, I've got lyrics out there that are really dark that people don't know are dark. And what I don't want is that to come back and kick me in the ass and have people think I'm one of them, because that's really dangerous. That's really, really dangerous. You know, and we know with, I won't say the words, but you know, if you like a dough-based food with a dairy topping on it, you know what I'm saying? You know, you know, there's sort of like this, this sort of out of control red pilling can come back and bite a lot of people in the ass. And there's a lot of people pointing at people. And they don't know. They don't know. We've all, we've all heard the same YouTube documentaries and talks, but nobody fucking knows. There's no point having a YouTube channel and working your ass off, which is what you have to do to make it work. To have it demonetised. Yeah, just to have, just to, just to have it taken away from you. And it's interesting. I mean, David, I put a lot of stuff out there on his YouTube and you do, it does make you wonder how, and I'm not, not suggesting anything for one minute, but it just makes you wonder how it gets away with it. Yeah, me too. But then can I also state for the record, this is not a hill that I want to die on either. You know, I don't want to become the face of this. You know, it's like I'm, I'm a interested bystander that's connecting dots too. But I'm not, I'm not here to lead a charge because I have as much truth as everybody else does. And I don't even know if it's true. The narrative of who I am has been dictated by people that gaslight in positions of immense power, you know, and, and, you know, perception is, is everything, you know, who I am, what I stand for, what I actually believe, how I actually feel is not out there. There is a cartoon character. But to be honest with you, 30 years of this, my arse is so numb, I oddly feel the cock when it goes in. The power that motivates me to become the person that I am and carrying on being the power that I am also comes from people's disdain, hate, and lacerations and hate, just hate. You know, that's been a potent force in the making of me, both ways. A, for my psychology and how I feel about myself, but B, for what I've achieved. Yeah. But I find it very difficult. I find it very difficult to forgive. I think if the other person or people come to the table at the same place as I am, I find it incredibly easy to forgive. It's so easy, you know, but if they don't, I carry on in this drinking the poison, expecting somebody else to die sort of thing. Yeah, well, that's massively how it is. See, for me, it's probably quite, it's not a selfish thing per se, but if you want to achieve enlightenment, which I would suggest everybody gives that a go, it's like, if you're in the marble championship of the universe and you've got your pot of marbles, all the time, you've got an axe to grind with someone, or you haven't forgiven them, or, you know, they're arousing these emotions in you. It's like you've taken some of your marbles out and you're putting them in their pot, and then you're wondering why you're not winning the marble championship of the universe, right? Yeah, I get it. It's like, forgive them, forget it, you know, if it's the bullies at school, is an example, a lot of people come, you know, something a lot of people suffer from. Forgive them, they was probably victimized, bullied, come from broken homes themselves. They, if you met them today on the street, would probably be the first to apologize. Forget it, and this is kind of what I say. And yeah, but it's only because that it's... It goes back to what you were saying before, it comes back to empathy again. To understand everybody is to forgive everybody, is a saying that I saw and was like, yeah, you know, it's like, yeah, if you understood everybody, you'd forgive them. It's not, I think a lot of people listening are like, oh, I know, because I've said this before on podcasts, I think I said it on Sean's podcast, it's not a weakness, it's not about, you know... No, that was one of the lyrics, one of the lyrics was, I'm not giving up, I'm letting go. Yeah, it's a strength, it's a strength of character to understand, to empathize with other people's situation, to see why they behaved in the way they did, just to let it go. So, yeah, I hope that helps somebody listening. But going back to the media... No, no, no, it helped me. It helped me. You know, it's like I'm like a fucking Rottweiler with that stuff. I just won't let it go. It's another lovely quote I heard this the other day, it's like, lift the weights in your own gym. So don't be at the window of your gym, looking at the gym across the road going, oh, they got nice dumbbells, it's fucking shit. You lift the weights in your own gym, you do the work out here, you know, it's stop, you know... Hey mate, listen, I need to go for a pee and I also need to get some food. Well, it's been amazing talking to you. Hasn't it been great? I've loved it. I knew that we would instantly have an understanding. Also, you know, it's like I'm kind of sitting on the sidelines watching things occur and seeing the same YouTube clips, knowing things, knowing certain things are just like batshit crazy, but also knowing that there's a lot of truth in there. You know, it's been nice to get this off my chest to go just fucking pause for poise, man. Don't die on that hill because we haven't got the facts. We haven't got the facts. The amount of bullshit that has been created in the places that we go to over the last seven weeks, because of what's happened in the last seven weeks, that remain unfulfilled, that remain not happening, that remain no proof of, but people are fucking sure that it's truth. Guys, just back down a little bit. It makes sense that a lot of it's smoke and mirrors though, isn't it? A lot of it's fabricated to purposely take people off the real genuine on the planet. Yeah, I suppose that could be true too. Because yeah, how do you controlling the enemy would be the first task I would have thought? And listen, if they exist and they're as smart as we believe them to be, why wouldn't they be in control of this narrative too? That's what we... If they exist, they're not just going to sit there going, oh, shit. They're going to get smart. Yeah, well, they are smart. They've been doing this for thousands of, you know, since the days of the pyramids. If they have... Oh, they have. Look, I'm as... I think that that is true. I have a belief that that is true. Would I die on that hill and worship of the church of that? I don't know if I would. I'm not as sure as you. Well, it's at the end of the day, I say to everybody, you get one life. If you live it right, one is enough. And I don't let this get to me. I'm not afraid of anything. Rob, you know, I'm just... I'm not afraid. Like I said, I'm carbon molecules. What can happen to me? Well, I go back to this beautiful universe that I love anyway. So that's a good deal for me. But while I'm in this form, while I've got this kind of... This vehicle to experience, which is life experiencing itself, right? I'm going to have the best time possible. I'm going to smile. I smile at the sun every morning. And I think this form of me, thanks Mother Nature for giving me another day on this beautiful planet. I've had three of my best friends now die from two drunk themselves to death and one drowned on when we took LSD. So it's all very, very real for me. And that devil that you talked about is, even if we're talking in metaphorical terms or literary terms. No, I know. I know that. Yeah, I know that. I know that feeling, Rob. I know it. When you wake up in the night, you think he's got me again, isn't he? He's got me again. And this is why we fight the good fight. You know, this is why we believe in ourselves. This is why we have to have ultimate self-love. This is why we love everybody, every other being on this planet. Listen, I love people. Love people. I love connections. I love empathy. I love compassion. Yeah, I'm in love with the planet. I'm in love with its people. Which is weird because I'm an agrophobe. Being a lad from Stoke and coming from centuries of navies, you haven't got a clue what and how to do stuff with your finances. And then you realize this is the loophole that you get in. You're constantly chasing your tail. It's like, now that you've got that, you have to pay for that every year and the upkeep of that. It's not a complaint, it's just an observation. It's an observation. So yeah, I have this really great big house and then I worry about my finances and having to pay for it every year. So I think that what people do in my situation, I've noticed, they sort of have that big splurge of fame where the financial tap gets turned on and then the flow of that sort of decreases. And I think people go on to simplify their lives and get rid of things. And that's what I'm in the process of doing right now is going, okay, well, I've experienced this. This has been a lot of fun. But for my age, where I am, what I've been through, what's happened to me, having financial insecurity, perhaps shouldn't exist. Can we just, let's just jump in there, Rob, and say it seems to be this period where some of us, they've had the massive fame, they've had the girls, the cars, and let's remember that a lot of us, myself included, when I came into writing, which was my art, I had one goal and it was, I wanted my five minutes of fame. Right, you know, I'd always, you know, I had a dysfunctional childhood as we've already discussed. And I felt, I felt kind of like overlooked, you know, I thought, do you know what, I'm going to start writing this book, eating smoke. So I started writing that off my fucking head, right. I thought, I'm going to write the best selling book. People are going to, you know, enjoy it. That'll be my thing, right. But here's the thing, overwhelmingly, it seems that celebrities have this desperate yearning, maybe desperate's the wrong word, but a yearning to be acknowledged and recognized. And when they have this initial success, and it's everything's gravy, and then it goes away, then it seems that these satanists, if we want to call them that, and my jury's out, Rob, always, right. I can't go and hear say, I can only go on what I see. But it seems that they come in there, they get the, they offer the celebrity the deal, you know, you're going to be rich again, you're going to be famous again, here's the million dollar contract. But it comes with clauses. They call it a Faustian pact. And I won't even pretend I know who Faust was. I don't know if he was the writer or the character. I think it was the character in a play. I like knowing that it's called a Faustian pact because as somebody pointed out, it adds to the pseudo intellectualism that we have. But it's, I think that's where the intellectualism stops is like, we know it's called something, we just don't know why it's called that. I think that if I am being used, then I don't know about it. You know, it's like I can, you know, let's, let's talk about the comments about which, which sort of make me laugh and at the same time scare me and at the same time find them infuriating, all of those different things infuriating, scary and make me laugh. You know, that sort of, let's say that these very powerful, clever forces have run this world for centuries, which is kind of what we believe, right? We don't know, but it's kind of what we believe. So three weeks ago, those forces had a meeting and decided to send Robbie Williams. You know, I did that meeting go. So in that meeting, when they're all chatting, decided to send Robbie Williams to talk to Chris Thrall. So I did that meeting go, shall we send Beyonce? Well, she's not answering. Shall we send Rihanna? Too unpredictable. What about Gaga? Well, no one's going to believe her at the minute, you know. Williams? Well, Robin Williams is dead. No, no, Robbie Williams. Robbie Williams. Is that, is that, is that genuinely the level that people actually think things happen? Because this is the scary thing about all of this. It's becoming a religion, a religion where, where people would rather believe than know. Mate, why didn't they send me Kim Wilde? Come on. Listen, she's not going to make it into the Illuminati. Is she Kim? I love it. I know, but I might get a snog out of it, you know. Who do you want us to send over next? So yeah, that's, that's, that's the thing, you know, is, and like what I was saying before, that sort of negates everything that I've done and achieved off my own back and with my own hands. Me personally, it went like this. I auditioned to be and take that. We worked our bollocks off, like you would not believe it. Like you would not believe what we, when we add the energy and the ability to do it because we were really young. We started with a school in the morning, school in the afternoon, performing, youth club, under 18s club, over 18s club, two gay clubs and a straight club. Day after day after day after day after day, building up this reputation. We had these cards that we used to throw into the audience with the PO box on the back where they could get information about us. Basically what those cards were, were information data because once we had your information, this was then worth something. This is basically what happened. No record company wanted to sign us at all. Boy bands were dead, but we amassed 70,000 of these cards with people's information on it. The record company that signed us, BMG, bought the cards, bought the information, bought the data that we came with. That was what was worth money to them, not us, our image or our songs. And then we and them exploited that and we got lucky. I had a hit with, only takes a minute girl and a phenomena grew. I left, I wrote and recorded a bunch of songs, I released four of them and with lesser degrees of success and a note went around the record company. We're about to drop Robbie Williams. That week, Angels came out and Angels changed absolutely everything for me. Now when I went on stage and performed these songs, people like what I did. Not everybody, lots of people fucking hate what I do. I totally get it. I'm just saying the people that came to those shows, liked what they experienced, told people about it, bought somebody with them and that audience grew and grew and grew. Of my sweat, of my back, with this throat, with this mind, with these jazz hands, I fucking did that. Now, if you think in 96 that I went and had a clandestine meeting with somebody and they made it possible for me to become an international pop star, your intuition and the way the prism that you view the world is off. Now I can only give you that information. You can lead a horse to, you can lead a horse to culture but you can't make them think, you know, you can lead a horse to water, etc. Now also if you can't ascertain real soul and real authenticity and real truth when you're being presented with it, then you're fucked. Also you can't see these people. You can't see their lives. You can't see who they are. So the flatness of text, you can't get much of a read on these people might be dreadfully unhappy. These people might be suffering with some sort of mental illness. These people might be all of those things combined. But when it goes into my computer as a human, it has very detrimental effects, very detrimental effects. And I need, this is something that I've come up with myself I need to sort this out because there's undue pain happening caused by the words of strangers. It has a very powerful effect and hold on my life. And I don't know why but I know that I need to release that to live a happier life. I seem to be addicted to finding people that will tell me what I can now. I think if you see like-minded people and you see the aspects about them that you respond to that you think are beautiful, you fucking tell those people you've seen it. It's deadly important to tell people, hey, that thing you did, I really like it, I really admire it. I admire your courage and I admire your strength. There you go, brother. I think especially if these things, only if these things come from the heart. But it's important to reach out to people and say, I've noticed you being amazing. Who doesn't want to hear that? Who doesn't want to hear somebody say a nice thing to them meant from the heart, you know? Anyway, I've got to go play golf online. It's a fucking hard life, mate. It's a hard life. From the sublime to the ridiculous. I just want to clarify something I said on the last thing. I was actually clarifying my opinion from where I come from and I said at one point I was the biggest pop star on the planet and arguably, let's just say arguably, and there has been comments, you know, there's been comments going, you know, well you weren't. Here's where I come from. I said that to clarify the next thing that I meant. To be honest with you, when I say that, it doesn't come from an egoic place because I actually am more bewildered than any of you fuckers out there with the prospect that that actually happened to me. It's bewildered as me. The reason I said that was because, you know, they just paid me the biggest contract in the history of music. I just, I own a Guinness Book of Records for selling the most tickets. You know, people are pointing out about America and me not being famous. They're granted. Guys, I bet you the biggest pop star on this planet is in China and we don't know the fuck he is. Over there they have TV shows that have ratings of two billion, two fucking billion, and we've never heard of them. The reason I did say that was that I went on to qualify. If that was the case, where was my meeting? Where was the shadowy figures coming up to me and going, oh, we want you in the club. It didn't happen. I said to myself, when I lived in a vision of Brown in the hills of Beverly Shire, fuck me, this needs an upgrade. And then I thought to myself, I'm not going to bother. I'm just going to wait till I find a wife and then she can do it. So she did it, you know, she got a, she got a budget and off she went and she did this house in London and she did it impeccably. Her style and her taste is just, I bow down to her. She's a, she's a maven when it comes to that stuff. Does my wife know that I'm talking to you about this tonight? Does my wife know anything about this subject? No, not really. You know, every now and again when there's a nugget, a gold nugget, I'll just go, here, look at this. So she has the information, you know, and she'll go, like that. The rest of the time she goes off and buy some furniture. She likes fucking butterflies. I don't arrive into my living room in that London house and look at the, the, the table and think Monarch mind control. I just think there's a nice table that my wife bought. You know, that's, that's the, I don't think you could be Monarch mind control to have the conversation we, we just had. But that's when you get into the layers and layers and layers of conspiracy, you know, which will undoubtedly happen. Yeah. And butterflies are beautiful things too. You know, I like a butterfly. But that's about the size of it. You know, when I, I read, I was walking around the Bodhi tree, which is a very, very powerful bookshop here in Los Angeles. Incredible. It's sort of add what we consider to be the truth of everything. It was a mind blowing bookshop about the esoteric and a bent down and there's David Ike's book and I picked it up and I opened it and read a bit and went, fuck me. It spoke to me. You know, it spoke to me and I, yeah, it spoke to me and led me to many different places. And if you look at me in my radio, there's a song called radio and in that I grow a tail out of my ass and that is me going, anybody else checking this? Anybody else seeing this? Anybody else get what this reference is? You know, which is, which is why there has to be care and attention drawn to throwing dispersions of people on the internet, jumping into their comment rooms and claiming them to have affiliations with the darkest forces that have ever ruled this planet. How can you just do, how can you cast that dispersion upon somebody without having firm evidence? Yeah. I'd say it's to anybody listening, you know, don't say something in a comment section. You wouldn't say to our faces. People don't. You just look like a twat. You just, you know, it's not a free referendum to just or people. That's it, Chris. People never, ever say to my face what people write in comment sections and my day to day life, at least for the last 15 years, I mean, when I lived in Stoke, they did, they said it to me face. And they also gave me a lot of love too. But these days, you think anybody comes up to me and says, well, anybody set leaves anonymously in a comment room? Well, it is, is a thing too, just to delve back into the love aspect of it, because I can get carried away with how excellent and inflaming it feels to be angry and vitriolic towards people. There is a real energy in that. And I felt it, you know, it's visceral to dip back into the love energy for a second. You know, we all have our blind spots. Chris has his blind spots, me, Rob, I have my blind spots. And they are blind spots, because we can't fucking see them. Those people that are leaving comments too, you have your blind spots too. Be kind. If you spot something about us that we can't see about ourselves, you don't have to shout at us, we just don't know. Let us not know. Just let us not know. It takes nothing out of your day. If you see it and it annoys you, go about your day. Go about your day. You're not going to change us. So, for everybody at home, massive, massive love to you all. Thanks for watching another edition of the Bortless issue podcast. Massive thank you to Robbie for just coming on and speaking his truth. And that's all we can do in life. So, Rob, thank you, mate. Bless you, Chris. And bless everybody out there in listening, land. Keep fighting the good fight. Have discernment and try and stay in the love. I'm going to try my best. I do enjoy hating a lot. It's powerful, but it's progress and not perfection that I'm seeking. I'm off to seek some more love. Why don't you all join me?