 Hello and welcome to the Capitola planning commission meeting of October 6th In accordance with California Senate bill 361. This is a hybrid meeting with commissioners and the public attending both in person and remotely via zoom Information on how to join the meeting using a zoom application or landline or mobile phone along with how to submit public comment During the meeting tonight is available on our website city of capitola.org and on the published meeting agenda As always this meeting is cable cast live on charter communications cable TV channel 8 in the city of capitola And on channel 25 throughout Santa Cruz County This being this meeting is being recorded to be rebroadcast on the following Monday and Friday at 1 p.m. Meetings can also be streamed live on YouTube or on the city's website Our technician tonight is Eric at Johansson and with that we can Start with the roll call Here come shun on your mind here come shun our Westman here come shun our roof here chair will here Okay oral communications. Are there any additions or deletions to the agenda? Yes Thank You chair will this evening We're requesting that the public hearing for item 3c That that item for 401 capitola Avenue conditional use permit and parking variants for a bar-and-lounge Poor room be continued to the November meeting You will have to open a public hearing and close it for that item since it is on the regular agenda We also received additional materials. We received comments from the The business owner as well as two public comments that were sent to the planning commission as well So additional comments those will be included in the next packet in November as well Okay, very good If there are no more additions or deletions to the agenda we'll move on to public comments This is a time for anyone At in the public at large to speak on issues that are not on the agenda. You have up to three minutes and And can either speak here on the microphone or On zoom or do we have any anyone who wishes to speak on items that are not on the agenda? I See that we have four participants via zoom and no hands are raised Very good, we'll move on then to commission comments. Are there any comments by the commissioners Seeing none we'll move on to staff comments item D staff comments No comments this evening just actually one reminder that when It's due to our hybrid meeting we've been getting some comments about Public not being able to hear at times So just a reminder to always speak into the microphone and that reminder goes for the public as well when you come up to The podium to please speak into the microphone. Thank you Very good item E consent calendar. There are Two item one item just one item on the consent calendar 216 central Avenue Anybody wish to pull that from the consent calendar either the commissioners or members of the public? I just have one comment I would like to ask staff When this item comes back to us Can you give us information that makes it clear why this is a historic building? I Know it was at one time, but it's been moved from where it was currently located and so I would like to Historian or someone to you know validate why we're still considering it a historic structure Thank you, and with that I'll make a motion to continue this Airplane mode You have so I hear a motion to approve the consent calendar is there a second We have a motion by Commissioner Westman a second by Commissioner Christensen Correct That's a request to continue so could I have a roll call vote on the consent calendar? Yes, please Commissioner Christensen I'm sure not new man. I'm sure now Westman Comissioner Ruth. Hi Joe. Okay. I Okay item three public hearings. This is a portion of the meeting that's intended to follow a series of Protocols starting with the staff presentation planning commission questions public comment and then Deliberation and decision our first item on the public hearing agenda is item a 3720 Capitola Road and 1610 Bulb Avenue. Do we have a staff presentation? Mr. Chairman, I'm going to recuse myself Thank you, Commissioner Newman so they'll be for us Good evening chair Wilk and planning commissioners this evening before you I have a conceptual review for 3720 Capitola Road and 1610 Bulb Avenue This application is for a conceptual review of a future annexation and whether or not this Application meets the findings for a community benefit application The community benefit being proposed is a senior living facility And to be clear the property at 1610 Bulb Avenue is located in the county of Santa Cruz And as part of this project the applicant would like to go through an annexation to bring it into the city of Capitola Within our chapter 17.88 Incentives for community benefits They have been established to incentivize applicants to locate and design Projects in a manner that provides a substantial benefit to the community These incentives are intended to facilitate the redevelopment underutilized properties consistent with the vision of 41st Avenue Corridor as described in the general plan The city may grant incentives only when the community benefits or amenities are offered that are not required a Community benefit must significantly advance the general plan or incorporate a project feature that substantially exceeds the Senate the city's minimum requirements Within our community benefits allowance if a project it has to be located in a certain area of Capitola to even qualify and if an applicant brings in a community benefit the result is that they can get increased floor area in this part of town from 2.0 to 2.5 and Increased height from 35 feet to 50 The first step in this process is to go through a conceptual review to make sure that the Planning Commission and the City Council can make Findings for a community benefit 1610 Bulb Avenue is located within the County of Santa Cruz and is zoned as a residential property The parking for the elderly care facility is not an allowed use within the residential zoning district Therefore the applicant must bring that property into the project and be part of the City of Capitola if the proposed project is Supported by the Planning Commission the applicant can then begin the application process to be annexed into the city a Letter of support from the city is required for the annexation process to begin the City Council will be reviewing this application that they're hearing next week in order to Qualify for an annexation a property must be within the city's sphere of influence this is the map from the general plan and the property is within the sphere of influence and Basically within the sphere of influence we have looked We can we ensure that urban services can be provided to that area should those the areas within the sphere of influence If it's within the sphere of influence, so this property is Next I'm going to this kind of a joint effort on the presentation. We have the architect Greg Irwin He is representing the The applicant and I'm going to hand over the presentation He's got two slides in which he's going to go over their proposal and then from there. I'll continue with my presentation So at this time Greg if you could unmute Okay, Greg. You are now unmuted. You're welcome to Give the details of the next two slides Although you we cannot hear you It'd be a good idea to have applicants be present now that we're back in person. It would help Lee Corey is are you able to speak on behalf of Greg Irwin or Raphael? But you'll have to unmute Greg can you hear us Greg? Can you hear us? You're now unmuted Lee Corey, can you hear us? In the chat they're saying there's no sound on their end. It's we miss Larry Laurent. We do Maybe we should go on to the next item while they're trying to figure this out. Yeah, we could continue this For a few minutes and do the other items on the agenda Yeah That sounds like a good idea so At this point, we're going to continue and move on to the other items on the agenda. I am going to ask Greg Irwin to please send me an email with a phone number in which we can reach out to him directly In order to get comments Thank you Okay, so we'll postpone that till the end of the agenda and move on then to item the 529 Capitola Avenue, I have to recuse myself Very good. Thank you, Mr. Chair. We ready to go. Yeah, go ahead Okay, so this next item before you is 529 Capitola Avenue Proposal is for an ADU over a garage Which a two-story ADU does require a design permit? Property is in the coastal zone, but not in the appeal area, so it's not appealable and I just wanted to point out that it is in the mixed-use neighborhood zone even though it is Being used as a single-family residence Just some existing photos street views This is an existing 1380 square foot one and a half story In 2019 a pretty extensive renovation and remodel was done to the property adding those Dormers and then on the photo on the right. I'll point out the the shed which was An issue that I'll go into a little bit During our plan review. We had to look at its status as a historic building a Brief overview of the project is to demo the mentioned garage or shed Construct the two-story building ADU over garage The property as I mentioned was listed on the historic structures list So I have a slide. I'll get into that and then two other topics to talk about There's a bit of an atypical parking design and the applicant is requesting a deviation from standards for some upper-floor windows So just getting into the historic status With the 2019 edition the city contracted with a consultant identified that the garage was existing as of 1927 so it is older than 50 years which Means we are to look into it if it's an identified property And they also did not fully or thoroughly investigate the garage at that time So we were able to get the same consultant prepared an addendum And they found that the garage does not meet any criteria as a resource. So that issue was closed Getting into the proposed site plan Existing residents in purple and the ADU over the garage is in orange and then the parking space I mentioned is in yellow A couple things about the parking space in the garage in particular. I mentioned this is in the mixed-use neighborhood. So Curb cut limitations that are typical with R1 are not applicable here as well In order for this property to provide Parking in a driveway. It is only 40 feet wide a new curb cut on Capitol Avenue really isn't ideal in any way Given how close it is to the intersection Property being 40 feet wide and accommodating tandem parking spaces doesn't allow To 10 by 20 spaces to fit so property does need some creative parking solution and Which is why we we ended up with this. So this is a parallel to Beverly Avenue parking space with a flared access which lends to its ability to be readily used on a daily basis and This is just floor plans Ground floor is 21 by 24 Accommodates an interior stair to parking spaces and then as the stair approaches the landing There's room underneath for a washer dryer and then the second floor is just a One-bedroom ADU I've got the arrows here that are pointing toward the south Which is the windows that the applicant is requesting the deviation for Elevations it's 22 feet height Matches the board and batten siding same standing seam roof material that's used on the primary And then the roof slope matches the dormers on the primary and then I've got the the arrows here again This is kitchen window and the living room of the ADU So Specifically I've got the code section here that does call for opaque or clear story windows on the second story We're facing adjacent property After the development and design meeting staff did go to the property and took a real world visit to see what the impact was There are some mitigating conditions just in with Landscaping and the fact that the nearest adjacent building is 20 feet away. So we came up with a condition that Does pay respect to the code But it does allow the applicant an ability for some clear windows and so we're recommending anything below 60 inches Be treated with an opaque coating in a window or they could have the option at building permit to increase sill height These are the photos that we took at the site visits are going left to right You can see the the building is removed from the property line. It's approximately 20 feet away and then the middle photo You can see there's a Mature hedge and vine that do provide some privacy and screening although this isn't the exact vantage point And then the photo on the far right Is just an acknowledgement that the applicant is doing opaque windows to face the the building to the west Which is that would have the greatest privacy impact so With that we are recommending approval with the With the condition and findings as reported in the report I'm available for any questions Are there any questions? I just have a question Brian on consistency of policy In the last several years There have been four new homes built on Emerald Street Three of them required clear story windows on the back facing the adjacent lot And then last year we approved one on Emerald Street that has a four by four window Overlooking three different lots their backyards and now in this case We're requiring opaque or the windows to be at 60 inches So I'm just concerned that we're inconsistent in applying this policy so the poll the objective standard is Tied to the ad use so it's one of it's it's clearly defined in our code as a standard for ad use I Believe the home on Emerald that you're speaking of is a single-family home not the ad you which we don't have We don't have standards for single-family on the second floor. So you are correct. We have not you we have not applied that consistently Privacy from an ad you is the same as privacy from a single-family home. So I just don't get it Before the objective standards came into effect Yeah, it was something new that came out of the the update to the ad use standards which happened between the code update and we had our code update and then we had our ad you And then the final code update. We are doing a cleanup to our code currently that we're hoping to hear Before the end of the year It might be January though and when we do that we could look we could look at that. Thank you any other questions of staff Not it's now time to move to public comment. Does anybody member any member of the public wish to comment on this particular agenda item Excuse me could you excuse me Dennis could you announce who you are and then write write your name on the Okay, I am Dennis Norton. I'm the representative for the family La Torre family is here as long with along with their neighbors and Including the ones adjacent to that property. I remember Doug Messini saying someday I'm gonna take a chicken coop to the planning process to see what happens. We just did it That's basically what that building is is that it was a cow barn or a chicken coop or maybe maybe I don't sure they had tractors in but maybe they could park a tractor in there But if you've seen the condition of that you We we agree with the conclusion of staff and and the Historian Leslie deal that this the structure is not saveable Although we will save the wood on it the wood will be recycled in that in that project there We agree with all the condition approval with the exception of number 12 on here and what number 12 is asking for is to Underground the utilities to this the the house is serviced from across the street overhead and has been through history and A recent remodel there was no condition to put that underground on that underground What we're gonna do is we're taking it from the existing meter on the on the main house and we're going underground to this to the ad you and so that is the most economical way to do this and It's quite impactful cost-wise for for this applicant to to actually put underground from across the street to their to the existing house there and I don't know I've seen another ADU that's been required to to underground the main house This is a new condition that I've ever seen so I'd like you to look at that if you could please and the members of the family are here in the neighbors to speak with you also and I think it's a good project and The barn will be the barn chicken will be recycled and thank you Thank you go ahead you have an estimate from PG&A for the undergrounding. No, we haven't yeah, you have a ballpark It's gonna be probably from across the streets probing and be with with carrying the street up there probably in 30 35,000 Thank you I have a question also Dennis so will ADU in the home still be just on one meter is that it over yeah It'll stay on one meter and he's going to during the process upgrade that meter to a 200 amp So that'll give it enough power and we that's kind of what we've been doing with other places They're do a 200 amp on the main and then do a hundred amp on the on the accessory dwelling Thank you. Well, I've got a question I maybe want to direct it towards staff since we're focusing on this utilities thing. Why was item 12? added Yeah, I actually think in conclusion. We're on the same page With the applicant Or with what Dennis is saying we even we added language saying and or meter So the expectation is that any new utility lines would be underground So from the meter to the new the ADU is okay So just to clarify. I think we're we're close here We're saying the same thing Thank you. All right. Thank you Dennis Are there any other public comments members of the public wish to speak on this either on anybody on zoom? There are six attendees on zoom None with their hands up Okay, we'll move this then to planning commission deliberation any members of the commission wish to speak on this item Well, I think it's a good project. I have no real issues with it Undergrounding is a good thing a good policy and a good direction to go as much as we can but It may be a little excessive We're getting closer It may be a little excessive in the context of this project Just spend that amount of money other comments. I would move approval. I have one question Courtney So just to be clear for number 12 you're going to revise that or are you going to admit it omit it completely? Yeah, our intention was that the And I did talk to the applicant about this so they were going to pull from the existing meter on the house So that the condition is intended that that Conduit be placed in a trench to the ADU but that the existing drop from capital av can remain Okay, okay, I Have a motion from Commissioner Ruth and a second by Commissioner Newman are there any other discussions on this item? I have one comment. I guess and that is Mr. Norton mentioned the chicken coop and it just did seem to me that The idea of having to go to a historian to get this approved Seemed unnecessary that somehow I realized I talked to Brian about this and I understand the logic behind it But it just seems to me that we use consultants More than we could and something like this could probably you know, maybe a quick phone call the historian or something said hey You know, we're just gonna tear this down, right? Anyway, that's just a comment and doesn't affect my opinion So with that we have a motion and a second. Can we have a roll call vote, please, Louis? Sure. I'm sure not Christensen. Hi. I'm sure the new man. Hi Come channel with I Westmines recused chair will I pass unanimously unanimously Thank you Good luck with your project. Are we ready to move back to Capitol Road and Bulb Avenue? I want I Want to check with the applicant Whether or not they can hear us on zoom Because if if the applicant can't hear us on zoom then the public can't hear us on zoom and Therefore I think if that's a scenario we should probably continue Greg if you could unmute or Raphael Or Lee we're wondering if you can hear us I'm going to give a call to the applicant. I just got their cell phone Based in Costa Mesa We can hear you So is your volume Oh, yeah, I've been using it all day, so it was fine all day long No one on the team can hear anybody Okay, this is what happened to me last week, so okay, I'm thinking we should Well, I mean we've had a chance to Yeah, I can hear you too we just can't hear the council chambers for some reason Public Okay, no actually it's helpful Lee, can you hear us Lee? Can you hear us? Is Lee in the same No Lee can you hear Hello, can you hear me? This is chair you I I haven't heard any of this and I wasn't getting Yeah, we're not getting on the live stream or You can't hear this Can you hear I hear you Katie. I think I'm hearing you through Greg Stone. I think the issue is the city council's audio is input is not working I can hear you Actually, can we go through the agenda? Okay, you know guys one thing we could just do is You turn our mics off and dial in by Connect but we connect with you five minutes to do directors report it. Oh, I see what you're saying Yeah, what can we do? So you hmm, so you'd rather do directors report and comments and then then go back to Oh Well, let's do that then let's move on to item four Can we go ahead and do the directors report? I mean we have four four one Capitola Continued blackjack and I don't have to hear that either You're right, right? Yeah, so you want to be here for the directors report? Yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't miss it There is no directors report I Does anybody have any last-minute commission comm communications you want to that Here now that we're back here. We're gonna put the pledge allegiance back on. Yes. That was I Noted that If that's okay with did we did we want to vote on that do we want is that something that? well, I think Policy to have it for us to do it we were skipping it when we were zooming because we had such difficulty with none of us being able to Right, right time But I think that Technically we're required to have it on our agenda I know I asked Jamie that Jamie Goldstein that he said it wasn't required. Let's just do it He's gonna just do it We can just do it And it always makes me chuckle through it Don't say why I Can't look at him What did you want to be recused while we talk this briefly and just give them another few minutes to try to hook this up And then so the last two things left are the two things I'm recused from 401 and 529 We already did 529 For the adjournment, oh, yeah, yeah, so let's do the adjournment first So Wait a minute you so wait a minute so you don't want to be part of this 3720 bulb with capital rodent Bobeth on this one You're accused oh I'm sorry. I was thought you're Thank you, Ed Okay, so why don't we go ahead with item C then which is 401 Capitola, which I must recuse myself from Capitola Avenue the staff is requesting that this item be continued to our November 3rd meeting And I would actually like to thank the staff for making that request because it seems like we've gotten an awful lot of new Information in the last day or so and I think this is an important issue So can I hear a motion to continue it to the November meeting? We have a motion We have a motion and second Can we have a roll call vote? Okay, all right, we'll have a have a vote to continue this item Only three of us So this items continue to our next meeting and now we'll see if we can go back to item B on our agenda and Can't we go on to item B You know I do think there's something to be said about having a process where the public can easily Participate in here and be involved and this seems like tonight. We're not quite there. Maybe we should continue this This is one of the bigger projects. We're going to do This year in Capitola and I think an important one for a lot of people Yes, do we need a motion to continue we do I'll make a motion to continue this item To our next regularly scheduled meeting Second, I would just like to add this is a big project. I think it's important to have the applicants present not on Zoom. I Agree with Commissioner Ruth. I think that it is a big project for Capitola and We're accustomed to having the applicants be here Or at least at least a representative Easter representative who can answer our questions and questions from the public So we have a motion. Do we have a second? second Motion from Commissioner Westman and a second from Commissioner Ruth We have a roll call vote to move this to Continue this item till our next meeting. Sure Commissioner Christensen. Hi. Come on a new man. He's recused Comissioner Westman. Hi Comissioner Ruth. Hi, Joe. I apologize gentlemen. We just don't know how to handle this And we'll hope to see you again soon And with that we'll move on to item number six, which is adjournment if I had my gavel I would adjourn this Meaning is adjourned nice to see everyone