 Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE covering OpenStack Summit 2017, brought to you by the OpenStack Foundation, Red Hat, and additional ecosystem support. Hi, I'm Stu Miniman and my co-host this week has been John Troyer. This is SiliconANGLE Media's production of theCUBE Worldwide Leader and Live Tech Coverage. And this has been OpenStack Summit 2017 in Boston, Massachusetts. John, we came in with a lot of questions. One of my premises coming into the event was that we needed to kind of reset expectations a little bit. I know I learned a lot this week, still one of my favorite communities, a lot of really smart people, really interesting things going on. And open source infrastructure is really the focus here. Start with you, big meta takeaways from the show so far. Big picture, my first summit here, didn't quite know what to expect. I love the community, a lot of activity, a lot of real world activity going on. People building clouds today. So that was very insightful and very, that's a great data point. As far as the ecosystem goes, a lot more talk about integrating with the rest of the open source ecosystem, about integrating with other public and private clouds. So I thought that there was also a lot of self-awareness here about where OpenStack is on its journey and how it might proceed into the future. So overall, I think a really practical, focused and grounded week. Yeah, came in, right, was that the whole concept of big tent, I think as we said, there's a big hole poked in that. The core is doing well. There's a number of projects, I forgot the user survey, whether there's kind of the six core pieces and then there's like nine or 10 in the average configuration. So there's more than the core, there's interesting things going into it. And last year, I felt that OpenStack kind of understood where it fit into that hybrid cloud environment. As you pointed out, this year, some of those upper layer things, I feel like I understand them a little more. So, of course, containers and Kubernetes, a big piece of the discussion this week. Containers definitely transforming the way we build our applications. It seems a given now that containers will be a big part of the future and OpenStack's ready for it. We had yesterday, we had the people that did the demo in the keynote, but containers doing well. Kubernetes fits in pretty well, even though I think it was Randy Baez that said, well, OpenStack needs Kubernetes. My paraphrase is Kubernetes doesn't need OpenStack. KubeCon is going to be an Austin at the end of the year and that show could be bigger than this show was here in Boston. Year over year from the North American show, attendance is down a little bit, but still robust attendance, lots of different pieces. Containers, Kubernetes, you mentioned some of the other pieces. Any other add-ons on that? Well, no, I mean, other than it's worth saying that these are not either or. These are, this is all ant. If you look at the total addressable market, every place that containers and Kubernetes can play, that's every cloud in the world, right? It's up there at the application layer. If you look at where OpenStack belongs, it is in these private clouds that have special needs, that have either from privacy, security, or functionality, latency, just data gravity, right? There's all these reasons why you might want to build out a public cloud. And we see that with Telco, right? Telecom is building out their own infrastructure because they need it because they run the network core. So that's not going away. As far as containers go, again, the story was not either or it's ant. You can containerize the infrastructure. That's super useful. Sometimes being bare metal is useful. Separately, you can put containers on top because that's increasingly becoming the application packaging and interface format. So I didn't see a lot of ideology here, Stu, and that was refreshing to me. People were not saying there is one true way. This is a modular system that at this point in its life cycle has to become very pragmatic. John, I think that's a great point because we knock on and everybody knocks on. OpenStack's not simple. And the reason is because IT's not simple. Everybody has different challenges. Therefore, it's not a Lego brick. It's lots of ways we put it together. I had some really interesting deep dives with a couple of users today. The Adobe Advertising Cloud, Patty Power Betfair, both of those gave us real concrete examples of how and why they build things the way they do, how OpenStack and Kubernetes go together, how acquiring another company or switching your storage vendors is made easier by OpenStack. So we've talked to a number of practitioners. They like OpenStack, reminds me of VMware. People like being able to build it and tweak it. Very different scale for some of these environments, but people are building clouds. The telecoms are doing some good things. All the Linux companies are super excited about the future that it helps them kind of move up the stack and become more critical environments and how it all ties into this multi hybrid cloud world, digital transformation, many of these pieces. I need that modern infrastructure and the open infrastructure coming from OpenStack and related pieces pull it all together. Well, where is the innovation going to come from in this next generation of cloud? I thought our segment with Oram talking about the Massachusetts OpenCloud was great because he's there as a computer science professor, somebody who's been intimately involved with virtualization with IBM, with VMware, saying, okay, we need to build this next generation. Where can we innovate? We have to own the stack and OpenStack is a great way for us to innovate with those different components. One of the challenges because OpenStack as a set of technologies is so modular is where does the knowledge come from? Where's the knowledge transfer? Can you find an OpenStack expert? Do you have to grow them? So I see that as one challenge going forward for the OpenStack community is how do we grow the knowledge base? How do we make sure that people are trained up and able to architect and operate OpenStack-based clouds? Yeah, John, how about the individuals themselves? We talked to Lisa Marie Namphee about the ambassador's program. We talked to a number of our guests throughout the week about training everything from Oren Krieger, talking about how his students are helping to build this, to engagement, contribution. It's nuanced when I look at the future of jobs, a lot of companies here are hiring, which is always heartening to me. What's your take on that aspect? Well, it's still a very vibrant community. You look at these different camps, a lot of them are vendor affiliated these days. There are very few communities that are outside of a vendor and these open source foundations are one source of those. I think, look, there's still five or 6,000 people here, right? This is not a small event. And these people are active, hands-on operators for the most part. And the thing I point out, there are lots of companies that have contributors here. The other category is still really big here. Point Lisa Marie made, many of the people that have contributed here have switched jobs a number of times. NASA helped start it. They kind of left. They came back. Some of the big telecommunication telecom companies, they're not selling OpenStack. They're using it to help build their services. So it's like, wait, which are vendors? Which are providers? I think we know everybody's becoming a software company. John, tech reckoning. Are you a software company yet? We use a lot of cloud, mostly in SaaS side. Yeah, SiliconANGLE Media. We actually have a part of our business that is software. We've got a full development team. Open Source plays into some of what we do. But I guess what I'm saying is the traditional demarcation between the vendor and the consumer in Open Source tends to be blurring. I don't remember in the keynote if they had, hey, how many people have contributed to the code that's something we used to get, partially because we have splintered out this event a little as to the goals. It's no longer the people building it. They've got lots of ways to do that. And a lot of the drama's gone. We had for many years in OpenStack, it was who's going to own what distribution and who's driving what project. And a lot of that to come out, we talked about for the last couple of years, has it become boring in certain ways? But it's important, it's driving a lot of pieces and OpenStack should be here to stay for a while. It's part of the conversation. I love the term open infrastructure. We heard it once or twice. We'll see if that becomes a topic of conversation. Going back to at least Marine Amphi's segment, I encourage people to check out your local OpenStack meetup. You'll find that other conversations are going on there other than just OpenStack. This is an ecosystem. It interacts with the rest of the world. And talk about that next generation. Edge is really interesting, the conversation we had with Beth Cohen. Also talked to Lee Doyle from the analyst perspective. Lots of cool things happening with that next generation of technology. 5G is going to play into it. So there's always the next next thing and OpenStack is doing a good job as a community to be open, working with it and understanding that they now don't need to be all things to all people. Certain other pieces we'll pull in and we have that broad diverse ecosystem. Look, so I'll go out and make a prediction. I think in five years we're going to look back and we're going to say actually OpenStack driven plumbing is going to be driving a lot of the next generation of the internet. Yeah, I love that. I actually, I forget if it's two or three years ago what I said was that as Linux took a long time to kind of work its way into all the environments, OpenStack pieces will find its way there. Brian Stevens from Google said, if it wasn't for open source, in general, Linux specifically, we wouldn't have any of the hyper scale guys today. And all those companies leverage open source a bunch. We've heard whisperings that, not just the telecommunications, some very large global companies that are trying to figure out how OpenStack fit into it. Coming into the show, it was all the talk about, oh, Intel stopped its joint lab with Rackspace, HPE pulled its cloud out. There's some other hyper scale companies that are looking at OpenStack. It's reached a certain maturity and it will fit in a number of places. All right, well, hey John, we started at the beginning of the week. It was cloudy and overcast, a little cool in Boston. The sky's open up. It's blue. I've loved having two weeks here in Boston. Really appreciate you joining me for the journey here, here for the OpenStack summit. Thanks for having me. It was fascinating. Thank you, John. I want to thank our audience and thank the whole team here in Boston and the Broad SiliconANGLE media team. This is our biggest week that we've ever had into how much content we're creating. So thanks so much to everyone. Thanks for our community for watching. As anything when they scale, let us know if there's things we need to fix or feedback that you have for us for Stu Miniman, John Troyer, the whole team here in Boston and beyond. I want to thank you so much for watching theCUBE. Be sure to check out SiliconANGLE TV for all the upcoming events. 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