 I'm Jenny Donnelly and at Display Week and I am here with Lee Epting who is a speaker and an author and a technology consultant. So Lee, thank you very much for being with us today and I am curious did you come away with any new ideas or were there any surprises in our discussion with the fellow panelists today? Well I learned a lot from my fellow panelists. I mean obviously Sam and her background and being both of our other panelists are immigrants and very successful women. One is a venture capitalist, one is an R&D VP and I think their approaches were very interesting to me in terms of you know how to lead as a woman and the kind of tool sets that are required to you know build a great VC fund and be a woman out there competing right for example. So that was hugely enlightening for me. Absolutely. And what do you see do you You were a bit of a trailblazer in your experience especially in Finland and so forth. Do you see there being more women in those sorts of roles now? Like has it gotten better since you or more integrated since you were in that role? I think so but I do believe that you know in my case for example I took a huge leap in fact I leaped to other continents and that's hugely brave and whether I did it you know 15 years ago or I you do it today it's still a pretty brave move. Yes and I think what I'd like to see is more women who take that kind of step and go abroad and don't just you know necessarily stay within the context of a Silicon Valley or Portland you know scenario or not what not. I think that if you want to go out and really lead then go out on the global stage and lead and I think there's a lot of opportunity in that because in my case the companies that I did go to whether that was Nokia or Samsung or Vodafone they were looking for leadership and of course being a woman was even a bonus for them because it really did help their diversity story as well but at the same time they hired me for my competence and allowed me to lead on a global stage and that was a huge opportunity for me. Yeah absolutely. It's a bit of an awkward question maybe but I see a lot of women holding back from adventures like that because of romance or because of family and that kind of thing. Is that a bad perception? I mean do you think that women I guess my question is do you think that women can should go ahead and have the family move with them in that kind of thing or just focus more on the job. Oh you got to move together. I mean at least in my for me I wouldn't be able to breathe you know if I didn't have your family around me so we had to go as all together or not at all and one thing I would say about doing international moves is you know if your family isn't happy where you are then nothing's gonna go right including your job. Yeah so the first focus is get the family settled and get the buy-in but once they get there make sure they settle and that they're happy and you have to give the time to doing that otherwise you won't be successful getting off to work every day that would be my advice and I don't think that women you know are should be held back in terms of whether they're planning to start a family or whether there's a romance or whatever you know if you want to if you want to grow you're gonna need to go take risks. Exactly. And it's a risk whether you're with your family or you're not. I mean I brought my family to for example Finland but then I left to go around the globe for the next five years and so I was on my own but that's it's hugely hard to do but you know you have to find your right balance. Yeah. Wise words. Thank you very much. Thank you.