 live hello everyone and welcome back to the Wukong waiting room where is this patch but uh this is the Paragon the overprime partners where we talk about Paragon the overprime and I'm the man goose joining me as always is my friend stunt how you doing stunt good man goose thank you how are you doing stunt is streaming on his channel stunt V if you guys want to check that out on Twitch joining us as always as well the egoist how you doing man hey man I'm doing well doing well very happy to be here very sad not to break the door down a plat yet but a lot of people are feeling that in a very special guest this week the the winner of the 1v1 competition Diamond Claire Raven how you doing Raven how we doing folks I'm doing doing excellent tonight you guys ever want to know how to play ADC especially Revenant Raven is the man to go to check out his twitch yeah so not a lot going on in the world of overprime this week but they did announce one-year bands it was probably the biggest thing they've announced one-year bands if you get caught using third-party software so I don't know I know in the close beta tests even in the final beta test I did see a lot of people cheating hacks I have not seen a single but I would consider what I thought of as a hack since started playing since they went early access have you guys seen any hacking or any kind of strange behavior I've seen one I saw one and it was it was a quick play right I haven't come across in a rank but it was a chimera using what looked like a speed hack because he was moving in basically sprint mode like sprint mode speed and you could tell because the animation was like DC with the like way the character was moving in the speed they were moving it was a really weird thing and this was like a few weeks ago and I was just like okay whatever we ended up surrendering at like 15 and then I think everyone at every point including his teammates right because he was like zooming across the map so we're like okay well we'll just not play this one that was a pretty common hack to when the hacks were prevalent with speed hack people would just stay in sprint mode and just fire fire fire fire fire I haven't seen any the only I've seen I haven't seen a personally from playing but the ones I've seen are pretty funny it sucks but they're pretty funny like some guy looking like on Murdoch like he's got a machine gun like he's got like 4.0 attack speed and then another guy on Murdoch again with a literal aim bot you can watch there's like two clips the guys literally it's jittering on the target and then he sniped someone with no vision just get to kill it's like you're clearly cheating I can tell police brutality Murdoch unlocked we're not taking anyone in anymore I was a wire with the how we had in our game my brother was playing rate mid sniped how we about a good four or five times and his life didn't go down at all like just how we had in the game late game he was one v five the five in people with like a better like tank build then let them rampage I'm not joking with you he would one v five the entire team still stay alive and in his health would go up with the seconds just like it was because he had sweet life yeah right I don't think he had any of those cards and the problem is that two games after after we reported him when we played games against him it wasn't the same anymore same situation and who's getting melted now whether he got he was warned by somebody or somebody noted something but it just wasn't the same with the same cards he was using that's wild I haven't noticed anything anything I mean either listen people won't cheat in your lobbies man goose you have too much clout yeah right yeah right yeah that's what it is they're like he's gonna tattle on me on his lunch he's probably recording I'm not gonna go to the partner and go to the partner and be like yeah they will five-stack his every single time I'm still I'm still traumatized by I help I help the juggler leash I'm heading back to mid lane five people in the bush wait for me in mid lane and I still got away but I find it funny this is how your community shows how much they like you like I would do the same shit I would do the same shit their day I know that guy I'm gonna fuck him up yeah I played against you in the ranked and I was playing with a fan of the show actually she might be watching Ena I was like recording because we're doing like a like a play with the fans type of thing and afterwards she's like is that man goose wait was that man goose man goes I'm gonna get those goose and she's like oh my god I feel so bad yeah she's straight bullied me with pay I was like what do you feel bad about it she's like I don't know I watch his videos and I don't want him to think that I hate over I was like dude you brought faggots man goose I hope he gets you banned you know I'm in range are really close so so this week let's get on to some topics here I want to show off my shirt real quick uh-oh for Christmas best cat ever nice all right we can continue since we got Raven who is in diamond I wanted to ask about the meta in that high level because right now I'm bronze like I'm on the cusp of going silver but you know I'm bronze and I see a lot of dumb shit and a lot of heroes that I think are probably kind of bad but what do you got what do you see at diamond now do you still see like rampage steel band every game fey band every game or is it starting to drift so the bands have gone from literally every time it was steel rampage right and then all of a sudden now people are like well wait a minute guys this muriel character is still kind of good and like really good late game to shields so now muriel starts to get banned but actually let me reverse real quick then it was it was first it was the fey then I was like oh my god the face broken so it's been fey so then it turned to the fey and then people like oh my god do we ban steel to ban rampage I don't know which one to do here so it's then it turned to fey and then mostly steel then now it's kind of like weird you get the weird bands every now and then like some of my band wraith but it's mostly muriel fey or muriel steel or if you now you kind of play it right so now if you want to get one of those picks we'll just ban rampage you know he sucks he's not gonna really make much of an impact but we'll ban him because we'll get either muriel or fey and those seem to be the two power picks right now the follow-up would be nabash but I don't see him getting banned but once you ban muriel it's get the darbash and then you kind of win the duel in I don't know Decker seems to have fallen aside as like a really good I think I think Decker is a really bad I think she's fun but she just doesn't bring as much to the table as nabash or beer well the late game good thing about Decker is her cage because nabash you could just get stunned out of your hole so really for him it's just sunk and then the healing which dominates you through early to mid game the ability to like reset then kind of repush on objectives or initiate on teamfights on the back of nabash feels really good I personally every time I see a Decker on my team I get a little sad because whenever I see someone in the support role I need you to be able to take hits for me and I need you to help me initiate on some of these teamfights and maybe maybe just you know at the rank I met every Decker I've seen plays just like a backliner right they're back there the next to the carry they're next to the caster then you normally stunning the peel maybe setting up for a good a nation with the cage but by comparison steel muriel and I so like I would say like like muriel steel power gap nabash and then like Decker just because like I don't know like people was not in student still is gas feels not not as support not as support as off lander or as jungler yes as support he can't get he can't get the items that he needs to be the tank that he needs to be fast enough as a support it's the same thing with rampage like if people you can't do rampage supporting more because he's literally useless and steals useless until you get six in lane with duo I would say that because I don't play a bunch of duo lane especially experienced players yes like my my cousin and my friends that used to play OG paragon with me are back they downloaded over prime to a point where my cousin just literally built a new PC for over prime nice that's that he came back and against higher players it's hard to pay to play like a a face support because he's either a twin blast player or a rampage player he doesn't play anything else so I either play carry or support just just to show them the game and stuff and Fey works when you have a lower elo against lower you know teammates when it comes to support but when when you get into the higher elos I mean yeah obviously it's it's a steal or muriel or and I wonder if after mangus is live the video if people are banding because because when I go to competitive match it's it's still gadget and rampage for most part for for us it is not existent as a band now or people are just trolling and what if I'm gadget just to just to have fun but the rampage gets banned nonstop like I see rampage pretty often it's funny too because he's just so shit he really is like even if you get him in solo lane he just build anti-heal he's not shit but if you yeah if you build anti-heal and you apply it correctly like after he ults that's when you use your ability that's going to apply the anti-heal then you could shut him down pretty easy um right clown bring something up he can't find placement matches that's I think we should probably discuss that later night because that's definitely a problem that solely means so Reaper says that I need a support starter that gives protections so instead of are you saying instead of like a ward it would give you like a shield or like a miniature heal or something yeah you know what bothers me about competitive matches in order for me to advance another level I have to play carry if I give a carry to a random player and I end up playing mate or something for some reason for some reason we lose week week we can't I'm not saying I'm the best player or but like having that responsibility on my end like to play carry is is another thing I don't know if you've experienced that too like I don't rave in your mid player right you play mid I'm ADC oh you're ADC that may have some mishados well yes I do go and and it's happening when we play with men is to every time we stack with menace menace will repeat this and he'll say stunt either you go carry or I go carry because when we give it to a random person no matter how well we do on the back end we still get a fall into trouble either we're catching up or or like we lose because our ADC is out doing something he's not supposed to be doing or she's not supposed to be doing I don't know I feel like okay this could be me and I told you I've been I'm into my hyperbolic time chamber trying to train up trying to get better at the game and a it's a hard grind but I feel like there's some gods outside of the carry roll that as it was put to me are kind of like one of you five I'll just win the game guys if you guys like are going I don't know if either of you really play jungle but like gods like grucks and fang mal are capable of 100% carrying a game late especially if you're farming you're getting your last hits and you're adequately building not just through kills but through invades ceiling farm putting of the other teams jungler behind and also applying pressure on like mini prime I mean it's as soon as it spawns dropping it on a spirit and stuff I felt that like fang mal went from a guy I never played to what I have 15 hours on because he can he can just carry it late same with grucks I'm not as good on grucks but I do understand the notion of feeling like oh man my carry isn't good I guess we lose I guess it doesn't matter and I agree the carry is like super important to be able to pull out a game the issues I have with carrying is when you notice that the enemy rampage it's extremely tanky why are you waiting for the last three minutes of the game to add chainsaw and a merchant's jewelry box I don't know man take it prime and then they've then all of that why are you waiting for that opportunity and then you turn on and you say rampage is OP no I mean if you build right against them in the beginning you should have a normal game without an issue I'm surprised grucks isn't looked upon as more of an issue I think it's because he feels he's really good but he feels fair again it feels a little unfair when rampage jumps into your backline and stuns your ADC for two full seconds at level one yeah but it doesn't feel quite as unfair when grucks lays like a big smash and grab to the ultimate oh no you know it's like an actual skill shot I mean so is the rock but you can sidestep cone like just yeah you see a grucks going to initiate move slightly to the left brother there's it I remember a time there's I was in sprint mode and the grucks came up to me he went to pull and all I did was go to the side yeah so Reaper puts it the best grucks is super one-dimensional I know in a Reaper's opinion he has the best gank in the game which after playing him a bit more to you know just try to power level throughout right I definitely I like thing mouths kit more because he feels a lot more safe with the teleport being able to gain an ability with the ability shield plus the shield on top of it feels really nice but grucks is gank is so potent if you know how to play him right his mobility is super solid to be able to close distance even after like a Murdoch knockback for example the jump pull to get that extra range when you're doing it right can just completely like grab someone unexpectedly plus the damage buff you're getting off of assault grucks is really good these what he's really fair and he's really one-dimensional grucks isn't doing anything that you don't anticipate you can't counterplay with like superior positioning so that I don't know if that's my that's my two cents on the grucks meta thing superior either here's a question for Raven based off of what we know so far if Wilcox kids stays the same do you see him ever being a hero that's gonna be playing competitive because I feel like he's gonna get banned all the time I'm your honest opinion if they keep it original they did mention that they wanted to have the old feeling but that doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna keep everything original I think they're gonna keep him probably the same kid from the little you know gameplay we saw it is the same abilities now if they go through with what they're saying they want to do with and if they change up XP gain or minion damage whatever it may be it'll it'll be good for Wukong because then we're actually will probably get a split push meta where pre pre 15 maybe even pre 20 minutes there's actually no point to you sitting in the lane and farming unless you're behind XP if it's more beneficial for you to actually rotate still and get the kills at the time because the XP share the kill gold is still way too high so if you just sit there and like let's say you're your lane rotates but you're like oh perfect I can push the tower against the tower damage you're not doing any damage to the tower meanings are doing any damage to the tower it's actually still waste so if they change that and then they then we'll have a split pushing so then Wukong is actually an issue where it's like oh shit I got respect this guy because he just built up a giant wave and he's running down on my towers well now the Wukong can now rotate and then go take objectives with this team in the sense of like it could be meta I I could see it but it only in that sense right because you still have the superiority of like CC at the moment in the tank items so unless they again they must take change the tank items I don't know don't worry about him building up giant waves I'm worried about him just soloing towers like he did there are gone he would just solo a tower he would solo inhibitor inhibitor if you didn't check him he would go solo the cool without any minions whatsoever yeah I I don't so as far as like split pushing with the minions I feel like minion waves move a little too slow especially with the gap between the first tower and you know in hip so I'm not as pressed about the split push pressure unless like you said if they do implement some of those changes which by the way I would just adore a minion movement speed buff like give me like an extra 10-15% movement speed to these things cuz oh my gosh yeah I don't know I just I wish they were a little bit faster so they can apply pressure I'm like I'll set a slow push online emphasis on slow and I'll be like all right you'll be at the end hit in six years approximately as long as you sail correctly that that'd be a bigger thing for me but if they do drop him down with the current tank items exactly as he was I I'm nervous about 20 minute Wukong with like sweet life or pendant or a Zimia's built just walking into in-hits and being like this is mine now with the combination of what his mobility was in the old version plus the tank items he's I'm nervous about it not even making it 20 minutes based off of the towers and the towers aren't as strong as OG Paragon was so if like Rangoo said he's gonna go into the tower and solo it I'm expecting to see Wukong's the show in the tower within the first five minutes of the game if not like and if he's anything like he used to be he's also not gonna be building any tank items so whatever because his 84,000 hairs it gained damage based on his basic attacks each each one of his clones would deal damage with a percentage of his crit attack speed base power and and life steal so once he would get like 10 10 or 11 of those fuckers rolling on a tower he could just walk we could just walk out of the tower and they would just kill it themselves I don't know I think the other issue though actually has not he mentioned it I don't think early it's gonna matter because again still even with his ultimate with the with the clones I still don't think it's gonna be enough because you're also not really gonna have enough attack speed that early to just like melt the tower pre-10 minutes yeah I don't think that's the issue I think the bigger issue is the fact that he can just go up to underling and just solo that probably way too fast and now you have a second jungler who's still solo lane like you could technically second jungle if you're solo lane but you're not gonna be able to clear the camps as fast as him so that could be a big issue I feel like also in the solo lane the pressure he's gonna be able to apply to the enemy team's jungle is gonna be insane right like you're gonna have to your jungle warded or a wukong just gonna step in or he's gonna clear your right side and put you a level and level a half behind without the enemy jungler having to win fates yeah and he's just gonna cloud step up to lane he doesn't have to run through bush or anything I do see him being abused in the jungle too if if they don't play them solo like if that's the case oh he's gonna be a great jungler oh yeah that's the case and he's gonna be he's gonna be trouble in the jungle too and then like you said Raven and they face soloing the baby Prime and and all of that yeah I mean the wukong just became the breaking news I think he's gonna come up in every episode so we till we actually get him and see what's going on because I mean I don't expect him that early in the game I mean most junglers can solo so like I'm not as concerned about him necessarily soloing objectives because any jungler can solo prime if they're adequately farming maybe getting an invade on to put themselves a little bit ahead at eight minutes like it's not like it's at risk for killing you but the speed at which he'll be able to take it is my primary concern well my thing from like the high elo whatever perspective is that too much priority is put on underling so as soon as eight minutes rolls around if your whole team's not there then you're just trolling basically because again that's like I was back to my point of there's no need for you to be in that lane because you're not gonna get a beneficial push versus getting the underling gain a free tower or the free spirit just by dropping it on it so I don't know if a jungler can just maybe at low elo because no one's warding or no one's paying attention and rotating so maybe junglers and solo objectives easier there but definitely in like diamond plaid it's not gonna happen but I think man goes mentioned this a few weeks back during the show that I think you should be able to lose the the prime buff if you get killed because even when you're soloing the baby prime underling and you you snipe it I mean a smite it you're not worried that you're gonna get killed afterwards because you know it's not gonna get a go away yeah if you allow somebody to steal that that becomes a more more of a careful play and you won't have people just fucking run and pill mel into a tower dropping it and yeah because right now people just don't give a shit in chat here actually makes a good point well they make his passive cost man that's how to balance him I could see that happen if if you have to make it toggleable toggleable exactly if you make his old toggleable then I could see that being really good because if it's just every auto attack why would I ever why would I play the character then I'm just losing manna manna like this way I'm talking about that that that sounds interesting to me yeah I like that like that make it like Grimm's slow slow basics right one calls like a whole bunch of manna so also real quick backtracking to the to the talking about the next patch and like balances and stuff that we'd like to say because I would like Raven's as well as your guys's input on this because I know in the past we've talked about we are here to protect towers the towers aren't here to protect to protect us right but with the ease that it is to kind of dive but also the lack of support it feels like millions offer to like taking good towers and pushing lanes which is the primary function which can be kind of frustrating for me personally would you guys rather so like let's say we live in a timeline right where they buff the towers or maybe just in hips and it makes it super easy to turtle underneath them because I know that was a problem in the old I think was it I think it was pre-modelist during legacy that the towers were a little bit on the strong end and then they had to nerf them right that was legacy would comparatively would for over time in the way the game plays currently would you guys prefer a metas more similar to that where you're turning towers or something like we have now where maybe they're a little bit too easy because from what I've seen from the balancing off and I do hope they take a more like nuanced touch to the next balance batch because like I remember the close beta like they was bad they was bad and phase was like insane and then oh the devs saw that and they were like and now it's like I completely switch and phase insane and in my opinion phase is a little bit underwhelming would you rather us have a kind of tower meta where it's very easy to turtle up or would we prefer to see something like we have now where towers are a little bit easier to take I want the I want tower shots to deal increasing damage the more you take more more shots you take more damage should deal that way if there's a coordinated tower dive where people are trading the tower shots then you know it's fine but one person being up what's that no no no it ramps up damage no it doesn't ramp up damage you take the same amount of damage pretty sure I think I think that would be the safest way without extending the length of the game I disagree if every shot it ramps up how that I agree with the way to not extend it if we make towers stronger then we're extending the the length of the game don't you think and you're making that or prime even even more of a need to take I just don't think that they're gonna do it only because that's not like the intention of the game itself like I get they're getting a lot of feedback now about like all this crazy shit going on but I think at this core they still want it to be fast paced so making towers like tankier it's just it wouldn't be good easy to turtle or way too strong and honestly it's the fast paced portion of the game that's actually grabbing me the most aside from their creativity when it comes to the kids it's the fast paced gameplay that's that attracts me to the game the most that I don't get bored playing so if you take that away what am I here for just to suffer whatever it's just Lane pushing simulator what I'd go play league but no I so maybe this is coming from I have like a slightly more I did a biased perspective on it I do want them to do something about minions I'd rather they not increase the tankiness or damage on towers unless it's like the scam like they which I think it's a phenomenal idea because I remember the legacy turtle tower meta being the most AIDS MOBA experience that I hated it like it was like are all five of us and at least three of them dead meat we can take this in hip we've made it boys and I'm just mildly worried because with the balance changes they've made in the past it's been like very sweeping either large with the exception of the last one where they like they like baby nerfed gadget then I go the range is two centimeters smaller now we did it boys but I hope that they do take with the next balance patch because they're gonna be adjusting you know some items and some characters that it's it's my new things and then we just get updates more frequently and I do kind of wish we got more details on the like battle pass and that implementation of stuff but I understand it all it's gonna come a time I understand it all come time that fire has a nice suggestion how about giving towers some sort of beneficial aura I like I give extra armor while you're under your towers I'm like there's a card it's might that you can like build an item that increases your towers like the speed at which it takes shots and then decreases the speed at which the enemy towers I think it's emperor's armor and which the enemy towers take shots I think some cards like that that interact with the map and with crap what's that with objectives on the map like primer spirit would be super beneficial to the game and also I said that a couple couple episodes ago but I think yeah some things that could like help you become like maybe that is what you guys are going for you're going for slow grind on the game you just want to incrementally build advantage into the late game outside of these prime pushes some cards that encourage the type of playstyle I think would be really silly we need a wake in the emmerich back I love that card I don't remember what that did it would swap it was swap there it would switch the maintenance to your side yeah you would have three people with it on the team to counter who called he's moving send one of us you get all five of your teammates to get the cook of the item and you guys constantly move them with the back and forth take your dreams I was trust issues with many and they'll turn on me on the dime it was the worst when you were like pushing a wave and you didn't have a wake in the emmerich but then the guy rotating on you did so he just switched the minions and now your friends are killing you yeah it's like oh god there was another card that would you could make a tower invincible for like three seconds that that was another good one that would that would counter we're calling welcome in taboo yeah oh yeah yeah there was a card that made towers invincible I don't know a want after these patches because what is it I want as much as I am excited for the characters they're releasing and the kind of listing of things that priority for including accounts on all the stuff I wish we got more word on like when they're gonna be adding more items I'm gonna keep touching back on this until Magnus makes me stop until he gives me that side look and turns the hat backwards on me and I'm in the and I could be completely wrong but I'm just in the in the boat of like they're working on whatever they're working on they've showed what's coming why is that not enough you know it is it's just a personal preference for me like everything everything that they've shown I'm really into I'm really excited for and I think it's the right decision for things to help grow the game adding new items isn't gonna help people you know better learn the game it's not gonna help in this phase of the game but like coming from having plates my coming from having played leak I'm just much more used to a more expansive item system and I know that this game's only its beginning phases and we're going to get more down the line they've told us we are but having like these conversations every week with man goose stunt yourself as well now for your happy to have you part two I just it feels like a lot of the times for me whenever like oh yeah this is the thing I'm like oh man and this there's there could be a cool card that does this or be a cool card that does that and it makes it especially since all cards are available to everyone unlike smite where it's like divvied up by like magic and physical that in my head like adding more cards could be an easy fix to some things but that's that's just an and again no I agree but I still look at it as like your second month at the early access people are like oh my god in this nerf that do this what about like it's a MOBA it's a longevity game I mean and I've said this example right to like was league perfect in its first couple of years though you didn't see that and leagues went around for 10 plus years was my great at the beginning probably not but I wasn't part of those communities back then we're a part of the early access community for a game I mean even the people that played paragon look at how much we complained about that that game lasted for years and obviously XYZ but still I mean that game with different fucking change games completely yeah it did yeah we got three games over the course of that time yeah and then a good thing about over Prime is that day transparent when it comes to news but they also keep cards to their chest to make it really interesting yeah being partners ourselves we give a lot of ideas that we talk about it and you guys know we we say everything and we know that they have the manpower they have the money and they have the the capability of creating a new map at the same time as having a team to create new heroes at the same time having a separate team creating skins so the fact that they're not releasing information and keeping us in a kind of in a mystery even as partners is I don't have a problem with it like like Raven said I enjoy it because for the last couple weeks a man who's has mentioned that Grimm might be the next hero we meant I mentioned that Drongo might be the next hero because of their because of their their keys and all of a sudden what do we get yeah I came out of left field yeah this guy's going through like the data mine website the guy he's like we got this we got that order to be found and all of a sudden boom I like to think that they actually did it on purpose like they were like watching a couple shows that will show we'll show them the data mine or should do we really send me those things we're gonna get Grimm in the game probably pretty funny to them too going oh yeah yeah let them talk about yeah we just showed a picture and and these guys are getting excited for all I know that PlayStation 4 kid picture they put up probably has Xbox stuff in it I don't know yeah the other thing that they bait and switches with is Adele they're like they showed us Adele they all this stuff with Adele and then it's like Xena like okay Adele's gonna be next like wait what the fuck is this pretty little motherfucker where's Adele dude that was so funny to me because they're like we're gonna be releasing a custom character and I'm like oh Adele looks sick and then I see it for you I'm like oh she met Mako what's next my holy fuck dude did you guys scrap the character they're like no she's for later though taboo you're asking about a new map what what you talking about taboo over probably what overprime has the capability of doing all of this and they have the manpower where they can have a department in the background creating a new map when at the same time have a department that does skins and updates and so on and so forth so I'm not worried about it like some of the other games were where the community complains about missing items these guys have the capability of working on it hide the background yeah there's there's some spoiled art for a new map on the reddit too that I thought looks pretty sick I think Reaper was the one who sent it was Reaper Reaper like sent it to me it looks super awesome it looks something like an a ram like 3v3 mode which I think would be so cool so I think this game would be like the mode like that would pop off so hard in this app game it's not anything I expect anytime soon like within a year but I think it would be something down the line I'll be super excited to play and I think would also be a great way for new players to kind of learn characters in one of the game Reaper is absolutely right here but the EA trailer that you slow down the the spirit the spirit buff or I call him Bambi some people call it reindeer is actually on the top of the the red buff and the blue buff now again it might just be a trailer because they put them there but when you slow it down you do see components and designs in that trailer that look like a new map hey deathfire we're gonna gerbil hamster as the next original here I wanna hear this waifu bullshit listen really in the little gerbil hamsters yeah I agree a spider waifu would be cool if the gerbil hamster or whatever you guys want to call it is balancing on that ball like a circus clown for the entire game Jesus I think I think that's the idea yeah pretty sure that's the idea I'm so excited for it I'm really excited for them to show us like some things outside of the waifus but I will I will I might get canceled for this but I will never frown upon them adding more attractive people into the games and politically correctly I don't know I've I spit the money on that gadget skin and on the shinby skin and whatnot and you know hey we're running an unreal inch and five and attractive people wouldn't get you know spider waifu mag was a freak bit I've been telling you yeah yeah freaking spider thing that epic had shown off one artist yeah Hatch Hatch was done and ready to go into game they just yeah it just didn't work apparently broke some shit yeah to hatch you know what yeah I'm down for that too some like some weird heroes like I guess Mako was is kind of along those lines but I want yeah he's not human but I still I would like to see something a little more monstrous like Marsha Hatch the ones that we've seen that um that uh that pair that epic had planned for Paragon but never put him in I would love to see them do something a little more creative like that it was interesting that it wasn't released with the assets if humans completed like Boris was completed too but Boris never got released but the assets they gave it to us it was weird that some of those concept heroes were not released with the assets mm-hmm yeah I was gonna make a joke about a Richter basically being a monster but I'm not trying to have to fist fight me it goes so nice I mean look at him he's all fucked up he's all fucked up I mean talked over we are getting Iggy right yeah that's another game February yeah February I was actually I was actually lose my shit the day over prime brings in a skin of for Richter that looks like crank from Ninja Turtles he does look like he should have a brain brain in his belly brain in the stomach my shit if brain comes out and starts grabbing somebody overprime the next fortnight game and crossover extreme dude Spice been doing stuff like that got the cool the Nickelodeon one was awesome I got the invaders in Cupid not gonna lie I popped off today I was watching Smite worlds and they were like oh yeah the next crossover is Magic the Gathering and I was like no my buddy I don't even play this game anymore god damn it but then yeah I would like to see a couple cool crossovers don't don't don't expect it guys don't expect it looking like a shoe but I mean I feel like down the line with the pool this game has and the rate at which I think its growth will increase with it getting older getting better getting more balanced and new wants because I believe in these steps I feel like we got a good community on our hands and Ravens right here right we are partners participating in an early access can currently so it deserves a degree of like leniency on a lot of things and understanding and we're gonna even have to pay for it it's free right it's fucking you don't have to play it it's free I think if they were if they were to do a crossover I think probably the most obvious crossover since that marble has a pretty big stake in it would be seven deadly sins I think that would be what they would do crossover skins with first I would pay so much money for an escort or skin you don't even know I would love a diana skin for a steal like a gender bender deep right yeah it's an anime and a game okay but it's a game that marble does is seven at least based on an anime oh man bts op mcdonalds oh yeah hell yeah you like some gender bender ones too like we get a fucking Hawkeye for Marvel a sparrow that'd be sick you mentioned it obviously while I do stunts right in Hollywood and I do all that other shit I had a chance to talk to Disney about making a an avengers 3d MOBA an avengers 3d MOBA just like Paragon mm-hmm the fucking money that these guys are asking for for like the heroes and the names is outstanding half a million to almost three four million dollars depending on the the name and the hero you want to you want to wow it's a lot of money because I threw out the idea of having a 3d a third person avengers game a mobile game with everybody Thanos and all the whole mix and then they backfired with with the type of prize money they're not gonna charge that much for Hawkeye though I mean come on red clown g said a good cost of would be over primates predecessor myself I'm like the only thing about the skins that is different is you can't activate spirit mode I mean but you can kind of bring in a crossover with like the movie hunger games and stuff where sparrow is dressed like the main hero no i want to play decker from predecessor in over prime yeah yeah you want that and everything that that that would be cool that would be cool different kids oh yeah that's that is true for competitive who's the best adc who's best adc all right do you want me to give you the the the golden team the god tier team which i give us the god team we're still lost because my fucking teammates were stupid you love that for not going to name drop but wait yeah we got to I had an ego player as my jungler today and uh yeah he was just terrible but the god the god tier comp is uh steel solo revenant adc if muriel's band nabash support with grok strungle and fame in lane i actually got that today that's insane that you got that lost yeah that's insane that you lost yeah yeah just to show you it's that the character it's the player yeah that's that's another problem that we've talked about on here before is that people see that like oh rampage is always banned he's up i should grab him and you they have no idea how to play him it's like yeah if you don't know how to play rampage but you can play grok's the fucking play grok's don't just pick rampage today just because people are going to get pissed that you didn't pick ramp the common mistakes with with players and when and this is why i was kind of upset that in the lower tiers they didn't allow us to five stack you know i mean i'm okay with the top tiers not five stacking and allowing you to only be doled or even single play but the common mistakes i see is warming is a problem and not paying attention to items when your enemy enemy uh player is kicking your ass look at the items he's building and or she's building and try to counter it the best you can like i said when you have a rampage that's tearing up your entire team as an adc don't wait for the last five minutes to build uh chainsaw and merchant's jewelry box i think too that's what kills it though that's something that's that's been happening a lot is people are learning how to play against these um overpowered heroes like there's counters to them uh i fucking hate when people take wraith med but like you build pendant of confinement first against wraith and he's just done he just completely shut down no matter who you're playing against him um and it's just like that that's reason counters kind of sucks is anybody could just build pendant of confinement or fanatic dessert or any kind of shooting item encounters get shut down it's just people are starting to learn how to play against these heroes and how to play with them a little bit i think um i think there's a lot of untapped potential in aurora i don't see a lot of aurora players but i think she's got to be she's got to be so good i mean she's got basically a decker cage as a basic ability okay so so so real quick since as you run it up i didn't open the can you did you did this to you man goose i love aurora and i am i am such an awards the ability to be able to unlock your ice wave first stop your wave of minions and then actively deny the solo lane the first two waves while you get them guaranteed every game it's so good to me i i love it it's really good gameplay it's really tilting for the other party but i i feel like she has some untapped potential i stop playing her and solo because i was told she was kind of bad and i'd like thought about it from like a logistics standpoint i'm like okay well kind of she yeah okay she's bad like kid wise but i feel like in a team like in a 5v5 setting there's so many options for things you can do and bring to the team like that old the double stun on it is superb her ice wall is literally if you use her jump into it first or a blink or 17 other points of elevation that the map has literally blocks off lanes it literally just completely cuts off lane you can use that to help set one of your own waves of minions to push up a little bit slower for someone else to push into you there's a lot of things that situationally i think she's really i agree with sorry but she is super team reliant but like i feel like if you have a good team and you're kind of playing around her setups she has the potential to be super good and super fun okay done i'm done something for the ice queen another hero that's underrated but i have not seen enemy team play well uh is sarith sarith has a lot of potential too i've seen some really good sariths i think sarith is the third best jungler are horrible like it surprises me again like raven said it's not the hero it's the player how much time third players screw up their team comp because they cannot play sarith and she has potential she's extremely strong and here's here's to something else let people play this stuff in quick match even if they suck with it don't immediately fucking f4 just because they mean quick plays hilarious to me like why yeah like quick matches where people learn this shit like you're not going to go into competitive with sarith jungle and just be good at sarith jungle you got to get in the quick match practice help with her a little bit against people but people take quick matches if it's important and it's not it's not that important it doesn't matter if you win or lose in quick match you're not going to lose anything what are we just seeing raven's eyes right i like it looks funny it it does look a little funny i'm i'm looking at this race built and he just said to talk please refer to the put it up on the stream man god this was a bold game this guy told me jesus he locks in race mid right this was a long time ago at this point but he locks in reason in the draft and he goes i go there's no way you just did that man you're not doing that right he goes why rates a good character i'm like okay built this is what he built man this is really bad this i don't really want i was like there's no way this guy went he started ad then went ap and then built started building like half then he had like tailwinds gem i'm like what is this man this is i'm cracking up right now because of approach a musics comment she she's required to expose herself to free poke it's so much for her old kid yeah rora expose herself to free poke all right with that side cheat damn dude so probably the music but an account counter to that is when you built so like just wait to get your pendant online when you have literally three escapes built into your kit just there's no reason for you to be getting poked just check your angles on how you're initiating initiate off the side on the back line and you can be the one to be the first to get in there but with that level of mobility there's no reason you should be getting caught built tank you're going to take a couple hits you're going to oh you're going to drop some cc chain and if you're feeling spicy your team's initiated off the back of that set up an ice wall so people can't leave and then just drop off the other side of it there is no reason you should be really getting caught as as an aurora like there's there's like zero i'm not saying you should have zero death games because there's only so much you can do there are cooldowns but like but like come on now come on you're not gonna poke that much hey sir i saw dude i've seen you okay welcome in my of course low has to come in when i'm making jokes about poking aurora it's so cold i think an alarm went off to to lows to low when you said oh it's making notes about the appearance of a hero i'll be uh success up in here low was in bad it's like floats out the eyes are like shining yeah so i do have a couple other competitive questions for since you are since you are up there in diamond my my aspirational place as soon as the plat door unlocks for your boy so what i've been doing recently uh this is this is a jungler question and maybe it's more preferential for you since you're playing jungle all you do jungles i mean i played all the lanes at this point except mid i've only played a caster one time and it was quick nice nice i will say ask anybody i'm mainly jungle but i got a mean giddy in mid lads i got a mean giddy in mid respect but uh for you jungling at these higher elos i've been taught and i've been practicing and it worked for like like i said like 12 game win streak just stomp kick just gone no more pain just dreams of helping build a lead you know taking red count basically crossing over invading doing the three count to put you at level three bouncing back to fin blue and every it basically requires you to be in jungle for a good majority of the time until you hit level eight because if you're hitting a lane and you're trying to gank but you don't get that gank you're just putting yourself behind on uh on farm and uh at the higher levels and like ranked right we're not about like 5v5 scrubs in a ranked how frequently are you like rotating into lanes to gank let's say first 10 minutes it's something i'm curious about how often are you full committing to a gank first 10 minutes of the game pretty frequently pretty frequently putting a lot of pressure it's like if i'm jungle usually i'm playing grocks and if we start dawn side i'll start red and i'll either go immediately trying gank mid or wrap around and come up through the middle by spirit to get dueling depending if they're pushed up or not if not i then i'll go if i don't go for like an immediate gank i'll just go grab their blue and then jump up through the side five wall to gank dueling because usually that's not warded and they don't see it come in but dear god psa this goes to anyone at any elo if you're ganky gank the fucking support who can't flash away please oh my god it doesn't matter if you burn the 80c's flash just gank the support get the kill move on magus do you want to go have a beer we're not high enough to be in this conversation i consider myself better than all of these guys okay all right so with that in mind with that in mind you know committing yourself to committing yourself to some ganks and stuff and higher elo and set up in ranks you know in the diamond master lands uh how comparable are teams to understand when you are just behind in allowing you the time to just farm back up because i find in some games right i'll go for maybe a gank or go for invade uh and i i don't know if it's just a goal people feel the fear of god but literally like i have had to do as the jungler have a ward war with people in the enemy jungle to like just so i could have vision on where their jungler is and i've like seen enemy team junglers like first thing to do come in ward my side jungle fall back over to theirs and so i feel like there's always vision on my side which makes invades a little bit more difficult but at those higher elo's and ranks if you are falling behind is your team are comparable to see that and just like not initiate as frequently and allow you to put okay cool so everyone's still full sending everyone's still in it yes trust me because there'll be times like if i go to try because i'm not a jungler so like the other day i was playing grox i went one in ten but i also had i think it was like 17 assists or something so like i wasn't just feeding but i was dying a lot so there were times where i would try to gank early on and then i got behind so then i literally just started farming but the problem there is that because you need that xp in the farm because if you don't then you're just gonna get you're gonna get really far behind or what kind was happening to me so i started farming more but anytime we had a team fight i mean i'm the first one dead at least i get some of the cc off his grox and then maybe the team can clean up i don't remember if i won that game that was a while ago probably still in a battle record but it's dude like yeah it's it's a frustrating because like i said just today i had a jungler who is a borderline master or he is master i don't even know and he went one in six because he we did well first of all we didn't have our mid lane ever wrote to it which kind of sucked anyway but he was going behind and then he would just like try to gank again and then it just wouldn't work and then and then i see so many times like our jungler will invade early like really early talking like you know that five minute mark still and i'm like what are they doing like they're just gonna rotate in with sprint mode and you're gonna even if we get a kill they're gonna come back from base probably with items now and then you're just gonna die again i would rather like some giga clear character it's just not worth it i would rather have a jungler that secures objectives than a jungler that ganks my lane you are unlike every other player in ranked i i literally before game would be like i won't be super present in the first eight minutes because i'm going to be spending that time getting ahead so i can secure objectives i my goal is to get like i will say this in text my goal first 10 minutes is to guarantee prime into spirit to build us a lead and then i'll take the carry tower with it right you just drop it to the side it'll take it almost guaranteed help apply it like two percent pressure and we're there we've made it kids but like people if you are like not in their lane the like minion spawn and people are in chat just like jungler hasn't ganked yet he hasn't rotated over and i'm just like i'm trying to build a lead i'm going for an invade we're trying to get the cards online i want to get you guys this prime so you know that gold that goes to everybody is more important than the gold one person is going to get off this kill and that's that's that's my thought process on it no one else cares at all and it's super tilting it's super tilting i mean if i'm mid lane and i've got like their jungler and in the mid laner on me and mid lane and i see that our jungler is taking mini prime i will hang out even if it means that i will probably die i'll hang out and try and you know dance around them a bit keep them in my lane just to keep them off of that mini prime because that it's a far more important thing than just one death one death doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot in over uh no it doesn't it doesn't it literally today i was actively doing mini prime i was on the prime i'm hitting the prime their jungler comes to gank mid and the dude starts gank like pinging map for me to come from mini prime to help with this gank and i was like i like i'm like like my brain matter just fell out of the side of my brain and i'm just like what do you mean dude like think about it like this and this this isn't like anyone here because i everyone here is of a skill level enough to 100% like have an have an understanding of this i'm gonna say this to the people in chat not making any assumptions here if you are getting rotated on pretty heavily right uh a by warts that's not a part of the point but just by warts uh but if you're getting rotated on pretty heavily think about it don't let yourself tilt that every time their jungler comes and yours doesn't as your jungler are doing their job thinking of us every time that jungler rotates to come kill you you have actively as the laner denied their jungler any advantage they would have got you've just wasted their time because that you've put your jungler ahead so don't tilt off and start getting super angry that your jungler also wasn't ganking at the same time they're ganking because you're denying that dude farm and he's just floating in your lane and allowing your jungler to develop a leak which is going to help you secure objectives like a prime like spirit he'll be able to help you push towers a little bit later just be patient with it all right i'm done i'm going to exhale whoo yeah i did i mean how you really know for y'all at me maybe i'm just the my biggest pet peeve like raven said when the support is overextending on a duo lane and you have the jungle that ganks your lane but instead of killing the support chases the carry all the way into their tower and dies i mean i like i like i know when you talk to him about it and you say why don't you just get the support because narbash or somebody was already on the art power right he goes well the carry is more important kill well how did that go because he stayed alive and you died even if you kill the support and the carry is alive and he doesn't flash what's he gonna do if he walks up to the duo lane just kill him he can't push up and get xp because we're just gonna bully him off of it which has happened to me before yeah i don't know if i'm on mid lane and i come into duo i usually go straight for the carry and then especially if the carry is back and the supports forward i figured that our support and adc could take care of that support i'm gonna get in the carry's face make sure he doesn't do anything if he blinks that's when i turn on this honestly just focus the one target i think in any situation unless you have the items and you know that they could just like insta kill that person in front well i guess what i'm taking is i'm on shinby so i'm building up my stacks on the on the adc if i can kill him i can kill him if not i just turn and fucking i'll kill on the support all right so it's situational per character yeah yeah it's it's reaper in the shot if i'm getting in i'm gonna catch him both i'm gonna catch him both with the combo can i talk about one of the most frustrating things in duo lane in the first 10 minutes probably but especially in the first like three to five minutes it's this stupid ward battle yeah put one down take it out put one down take it out this guy's blocking we take it out there it goes oh my god he's got 12 more here comes another one it's so annoying like oh my god because you can buy the yellow right and if you upgrade that blue you get two right but you can also buy three extra wards so you can place all these things down you have like fucking five wards to do it if you have a melee and arbash it's a little hard to go into you ward it so if you have like the decker and then like the range or adc they just take out all the wards and it's like well what the fuck am i it's just it's so back and forth and i'm like oh my god here's another one oh my guy's what's the best is the support that will run all the way into the enemy jungle to put down a ward and then start getting fucked up and they get pissed off that they got fucked up i have one time like their duos push i'm under the tower right or they're about to get under the tower and my my support will jump off the fog wall i'm going to de-ward like bro what are you doing do you want me i'm like you gotta push up what do you want me to do now like not in the time that gets killed when he's almost in the red buff try to win where i was supposed to be back back here dude i've seen it so when i first when i finished my placement it placed me silver one and i remember it like in my first like five games this i i messaged the thing because i'm very vocal to the chat and i'm like hey please ward uh because i was playing carry which for the record my weakest roll don't ever let me carry for your team um and he's like i got you and i i i felt this spark of hope because i'm running delayed and i see he has the yellow gym a health potion and then two other wards and i'm like boys boys we've done it we've made it we've arrived we found our new support and i fuck with you not he runs into their into their jungle to where the fog gate you can't cross it and wards there holy shit that's a deep word i was like i i wish i was recording so i could have a video of what it looks like when the lights go off in my eyes like oh sick i love that for us and then on his way back he wards the blue and then wards the bush by the thing and like all three wards just a straight line from there and you can only down to the lane you can only use one century board at a time though no you can you can place the yellow one and you can place a yellow in a century yeah yeah the yellow in the century so he didn't place one at the buff it just carried over he placed it like on the edge of the bush that was over by it and he like put it on the variant so it covered like where the thing was and then also that just like small section of the jungle by the fog thing and then he like comes back in the lane and i'm just like oh that oh that was that i've seen a lot now is wards up on the bridge but we're in the like a ward up on the bridge actually like a button but yeah you get vision it's fucking it's fucking cheese i i do i do hope they patch out cheese wards the one you can put literally inside the objective like i just yeah yeah that needs to be pride and i'm like guys there's a problem like what it's like apparently the prime buff has eaten the ward it's in his mouth we can't get it out with that shit the most excited i've ever been is when i was playing with my cousin and dueling i ended up getting a countess carry and a sarith support against us thank you gamer we're gonna stop laughing honestly though no i do think because we're talking about wards i do think that they should change how wards uh actually ping because i think it should still be line of sight because like i said you do the one on the bridge you see the guy coming from their jungle you're like oh here comes a guy i can see the the jungler coming or you actually forces you to get a deep ward in there so that you can get that coming well the ward the pain just i'm not i'm not as uh concerned about the pain in the ward as i am those those bushes and when when they when they're in there and you can't target it with murdoch it's unknowing if you know they're there and you and you damage them and they don't get revealed you can't target with murdoch's q you can't target with countless like it gets freaking annoying people people abuse that a lot i'm hit or miss on that and as an adc main i could as you mentioned burdock it's funny because it's like i i love revenant right but his q is so fucking bad and it infuriates me because uh like i was about to say scud because murdoch target check is just a better revenant q because it doesn't matter if i if you q as murdoch and the guy goes into the bush it's all gonna hit him if you start your q is revenant and you get like two bullets off of it and they go in the bush the others just vanish doesn't doesn't attract them because i play rev that much but you start your q and they go in the bush it just it disappears basically you go through the animation but it doesn't shoot anything out um but i'm also hit or miss because i actually don't mind the fact that you don't get revealed if you're hitting someone in the bush because then it it gives the bush kind of like a purpose because like i've heard a lot of people say the bushes are kind of like whack or like there's no real purpose to them um but then that also you know is the more important thing of like getting the wards actually in the bush itself because you can kind of like dance and poke with someone i've had times where i'm getting i lose the adc battle because the guy's in the bush and i'm trying to shoot him all he sees is the thing maybe it's my bad because maybe i should just be aiming at the feet where i see the actual movement because for whatever reason i keep aiming like body level but i don't know i'm hit or miss on that one i i use spear to your droplet should be and i just hit him in the bush and then i attract the little the ticks of damage and then throw it where i think they're going to be and hit him again well i mean you want the bush and you get the reveal having it's not that like op where you can't really think about it and like you said right but it's fun to go in circles in the bush because if if they don't use that method of tracking the the the grass or whatever it's just fun you'll go into a bush and you're just running in circles while these guys are trying to shoot you i think target check should crit fuck that even like reducing the damage on it if you do another pass where you reduce damage again then it's literally going to be a useless ability and it's just like you're tickling the guy so my thought process was just change it to one big damaging missile keep the fucking target check tracking or target tracking i don't care but just change it to like one big missile in sense of damage instead of just like this burst flurry but don't make it crick because that's going to be a nuke yeah eight hundred damage cube for you like i said like we said earlier murdoch's done taking prisoners we're bringing in proof of of the body at this point yeah well okay let's um what let's uh let's let's talk about ravens one v one versus taboo yeah but you spoiled in the beginning of the episode by the way which i didn't even realize what what do you mean you said who won yeah i don't remember that's boiling or is that not matter i don't think it matters anyway yeah i beat taboo as a caster he picked the character by the way i didn't reaper if i can burst it from five hundred so i've got i'm prepared i'm gonna change mine too to get it out there created a little bit of a video a little bit of a highlights from the uh the raven versus taboo of one v one with howitzer so i'm going to go ahead and play that right now not having enough data to finish him off oh he blinks in he blinks in he's going to pay for it he's going to pay for it with his life the break down and the raven first blood he did making a play for the manabog bully get it he does get it very few issues and now raven is in a ton of trouble oh where are you going big dog i'm leaving dog well taboo be able to catch it i'm leaving dog not able to get it raven has to risk uh-oh the lazy back is he going to pay for it oh he's coming back he's coming back he's coming back we're late now there's something going on with the i like to are now they're gonna go in the dog oh the fade away we're either but we're we're having off that was two to one oh is he going to try is he going to try oh he did have his break he blinks in oh no no no no no what okay yeah he walked into the ultimate to do it he walked in that was amazing was it the bait taboo landing his rocket raven not landing his this might be the opportunity to tap him needed he doesn't get bounced away they went up now they're just right up in each other's face just duking it out with the howitzer spear seardrop doing work oh there's another kill one more he did it early this time he did it early this time did they have a blink he does have a blink but he's blinking into and raven oh do to him takes the win game dog so uh yeah that's fun so raven is our one v one champion if anybody would like to challenge him feel free to do so pick the hero just don't pick revenue oh no it's fast yeah you might not want to pick revenue uh revenue to get raven but pick a caster if you want to beat me raven versus soul reaper did i say that i love it was just nabash only no i'm here for the mural or mural gameplay oh boy but yeah if anybody wants to challenge him just let us know uh pop into any one of our discords let us know uh that you want to challenge raven and uh we'll we'll set something up um yeah like like raven said probably don't pick revenue against him but uh and then um if raven doesn't if raven wins again then we're going to get we're going to give you a one minute penalty where you have to stay in your oh the base for one minute before okay that way we don't have the same person just constantly winning yeah if you if you keep winning we're going to keep outing penalties yeah that's why you're not going to be able to get any items yeah or i know i can't back how about that you can't back the tb adc i'll take raven on tb hell yeah there you go is that the challenge i feel like i feel like i could bring that gideon game play mid maybe maybe take them bring out the good hey man i fit some nice rocks on the training dummy in the training grounds what about the top 10 ranked uh good i also whipped out the uh the crit attacks be built on getting in the training grounds kind of slaps yeah yeah i'm sure pop versus community a ram um but yeah um let's start closing it out though i think we really only had the one thing to talk about tonight which was yeah yeah um what should we call it oh no the band the one-year band is that a hardware band or is it one of those where i could go into steam make a new account and then be able to play the game again do you know i have no idea um i would think that it would be an ip band but if somebody even said in chat that one-year part is isn't long enough that it's just probably just be a permanent band if you're caught third party the game software but this is the uh first offense i guess i don't know why you would come back after a year a big band from the game that's a long time yeah but um yeah the other thing that what kind of wanted to touch on too though was the um placement matches what the fuck's going with placement matches so from what i've been told or what i've been heard is that are you talking about the initial like the initial placements or the promos initial placements i think initial placements you need uh to have at least i think it was 40 five other people including you that are also in their placements oh really i think it's something like that but then that's also how kind of promos work where you need other people in their promos as well so that's why i've heard some people aren't getting like games in their promos and like silver and then raven i've also noticed that the east coast gets faster um then you find games faster the east coast than you do in the west coast yeah so i live i live uh i live uh west coast so i when i play on west coast it's only quick play and like i don't lag or anything but every time i play ranks i have to play east coast and i just get these fucking gig of lag spikes where my game freezes up for like a second or it's always at the worst time too like got to hit an auto thing just spawned disability went off so it's kind of frustrating and i've been doing that up to diamond but uh yeah you can't play on west coast if you're playing competitive even with like the peak moments of west coast like i'm in the west coast for me uh i'm in california so like six seven p.m it's harder for me to get into a ranked match than it is if i just queue in east coast and and get in one within within a few minutes and and i think part of the reason and i mentioned this last week too part of reason is probably they have to open up the gates where it allows a lot more um levels to play with each other if you only allow silver to play with gold or silver to play with bronze and you only have one level above or below i think it's that's what's causing this this to happen there's also that too but i think they might be which is actually kind of weird because they should actually open it up right now considering there's i mean whatever the drop in player base and such but yeah since you've tightened up who can play with who ranked it it does reduce or prolong the queue times um but with the last thing with the server thing is like i was happy that i had a west coast server since beta because i moved from pennsylvania out here so i was like all right sweet west coast error and then i'm like wait but now i can't play ranked because no one plays but we share the same leaderboard so it's like why not just have one server at this point i kind of wonder to understand to get more people in quick play if it's the fault effect um i don't know if you guys you guys probably didn't play fault as much as stunt but with fault nobody before like uh six p.m. est everybody queued e you no matter what region they were because no they assumed that there was nobody playing in an a however that a vast majority of the people queuing in e you during those times were in a and just played on bad ping because the assumption was there that there wasn't any queues for in a if people would have just queued in a then they probably would have been fine i think that's probably what's going on right now people have gotten so used to the the e the in a west queues being so long that everybody just queues in a east which compounds the issue so a downward spiral not uh yeah actually that's a good take i didn't think about that but they they definitely need to do something with placements because i'm hearing so many people talk about not not just in a west but in a east and e you everything people just aren't getting placement being able to to play placements so like what's the point of trying to to grind up if you can't even place so they need to ease up those restrictions like to place people that need not have five people that are in placements i don't understand that at all placements are placements i get that it'd be a pain in the ass for people that are in gold or whatever to suddenly have somebody that's obviously bronze in a placement match in their game but i don't think it'll resolve itself in the next season but for now they need to do something i was gonna say it could just be me and my bad opinions of again saying that the the game is you know it's two months in and i don't know maybe that's not like the biggest priority for them to fix but uh yeah no i do agree i think that they or whether it's next season or not they need to uh but it probably needs to widen the gap of who you can play with in ranks just a little bit what tighten it up in like diamond like so diamond you're going to play with like master and plat but i think like if you're plat you can still i don't know maybe silvers too i don't know i don't really know where the skill gap is right now in the community i need like a i need like one of those wave graphs see where the majority of the community is at skill is i mean i can kind of see it from the leaderboards but i can only see the 500 top 500 people so like masters probably like 0.01 diamonds probably like maybe 1 plat probably five maybe lower four or three and then it's just majority uh gold i think is the rest i think all the silvers got kicked off the leaderboards now you stinky silvers from the from the sound of it if you played decent in your basement you got you got sober anyway so i played decent decent my placement's gonna god dammit no but you but you can support it it sucks for support yeah because it just just it's not fair i mean i still went six and four which is what a lot of other people did but eight and two eight and two look at you guys look at you guys yeah i definitely should have just stuck with mid lane from my place but they're just throwing pennies at us from their ivory tower now i'm fucking well i went one in one when no one was playing because no one because of the because of the level you had to hit that certain level so i went one in one and i was like all right this is too sweaty for me right now and then they changed that and then i there you go i went eight and two yeah i told man goose i lost my first two and then eight straight to the last bang dude i was i literally like re i literally like we re uh market it myself i was like i'm ego now i'm that shits like like no dude it was super sick love about me look at me i'm the ego now it was fucking awesome eight and two look at me i play adc mickey mouse clubhouse that was that was good re for i like that one that was fun that's fucking oh shit all right let's start uh wrapping it up for this evening um man i think it was a really good conversation tonight talked a lot about ranked a little bit about what's going on with the overprime hopefully next week we'll be talking about wu kong but uh let's start closing things out raven where can everybody find you and what can they look for content uh raven as you see below me right there add gg on the end that's my twitch stream uh i stream always every wednesday friday saturday night unless i say otherwise and i've been sporadically streaming maybe like on a thursday or monday or something so uh keeping on that the youtube is just my name raven at raven i got you know they got those nice little handles now you can tag people so at raven that's my youtube uh definitely have fallen off on that quite a bit lately just between my fucking work and then uh trying to rank up in this uh so uh but i am going to be working on and i said last week on the four of the minions but uh i am still expect to how to play revenue guide kind of like an in-depth build and all that so hitting tricks on that stuff that's that's what i got hey ego nice hey uh yeah you guys can find me on my twitch i've been on there mostly now uh under the ego is too easy because someone took the other one i've actually been reaching out to a lot more kind of small time uh community content creators and stuff you know if you if you click the game on twitch and go to the bottom i've been reaching out to a lot of them and weirdly enough i actually had one of them reach out to me yesterday so i wanted to give an opportunity to shout this guy out his name is surge asol he's a small content creator he's been trying to help the game grow he's been rating with whoever he has onto small creators and just really injecting the positivity we try to promote on the show and in the game uh so i just wanted to shout him out he's also setting up customs for people who may be lower level so if you're looking to get into 5v5 play he could be a great doorway for people uh trying to get into a competitive format who maybe don't have the reputation to yet so yeah check him out he's a super awesome dude um and then you know come check me out streaming because i do that now passing on to you stunt smooth segue thank you me youtube and uh twitch stunt underscore v as i was telling sir j earlier in magnus's chat uh the next coming months i will have some news for the movie i play the main villain in so depending on what they're gonna allow me to release i might just have a discord watch party for an upcoming trader because disney is asking us not to talk about it until uh until they watch the movie themselves so other than that they'll see me with uh overprime content and come hang out right on our view magnus uh the only thing i only thing i wanted to talk about is my discord is now the for the minions discord i won't have my discord anymore that's uh deli and viking and i will be running that so okay hang out in that discord you can change the logo i'll put i will change the logo um i'll put sir j cells uh twitch link in the chat so click on that give him a follow and uh yeah i think that's going to wrap it up for this week hope you guys enjoyed the show uh if you're hanging around you got and you got the the mangees let's see them in the chat uh appreciate everybody that watched this live appreciate everybody that's watching as a video now this is the pop crew signing off you guys have a