 Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching the breakfast on plus TV Africa. It's time for a second hot topic And this one says ocean Monarch expresses discomfort over Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching the breakfast on plus TV Africa It's time for a second hot topic and this one says ocean Monarch expresses discomfort over Nigeria's preparedness For state police now join me joining me to have a conversation is oba adequately Makama It's a check boss soon third or lower of Kuta in ocean states. Good morning, Your Highness. Thank you for joining me Although okay, I beg your pardon although of okay fantastic. Thank you so much for joining us this morning Okay, so let's get right into it I mean you had expressed this comfort and concern about you know the policy for state police State policing is something is the is something that has been as old as Nigeria's independence and a lot of people have always You know expressed how much it would help Nigeria Now I know insecurity is a major issue in Nigeria at the moment and we're seeing kidnapping robbery terrorism just raring its ugly head and Some people have come out to say that you know having state police might just be able to help now I'm not sure if that would help fully Because there are several elements, you know for the reason why you know insecurity is just here One element could probably be a failure of governance. Another would just be unemployment as well But people are saying state police might just help and now you've come out to say No, Nigeria is not prepared for that. So first, let's talk about your statement. Why you think Nigeria is not prepared for state police Why do I think Nigeria is not? Yes, your thoughts Yeah, my thoughts about the state police. Yes Thank you very much the state police should have helped we are fully prepared for it and If We are sitting and mature to walk along with the notes that's the way The way situation is in our country We cannot put up ourself to the light of the western nations There have been oppressive state police. It has been practiced in the first republic and We all know the story This is what the service takes they are led to the disbandments or They are led to the The consolation of the so-called state police police in Nigeria here State police in here there is fear by those who have the know-how Or security of policing the fear is always that it will be politicized one If we are correct to state police now it's going to be people by our various youths and Every state government Who have absolute control of the state police? Of course, there is a state government that's going to be responsible for financing and funding of the state policing equipping them funding them all the logistic provision maybe the training can be They can partner with the federal Policing authority for training Logistic support funding will be done by the state government Let me give you an instance in my own in our dear state here, Osho Osho is being ruled by people's and the party state policing If is being it has been a shrine of constitution night five percent of people That will form the basic start of the state policing Legos states is being governed by a PC state police and they go to be will be people by 90% of a PC then there will always be conflicts Take for instance there is an election a federal election coming The federal authority will send the federal forces the states the state government Have the control of the state police Yeah, the state police will have advantage of knowing the terrain and their environment Yeah, what the federal will have advantage of the superior over them There will always be conflicts and if you did not to The line of the government to power in your respective states it means You can be honed stand by the state police It happened in the 60s any 50s 60s So go ahead a dead body in the motor area and don't want your backside because it did not support the party power the state permission Who will bring you and dump you at the prison? So To that extent in Nigeria a lot of there will be a lot of grandstanding between the federal force and the state forces a Lot and it's a mr. Some statement don't have enough resources To cater for the state now we are we are now going to probably burden of providing for strip policing on their head where Where they are still looking Forward to the federal authority to increase the revenue and fiscal Station allocation to them how do they generate? The phone the funding to fund a police security is not cheap all over the world So we look at the police station will look at the funding. I don't think we are prepared if we want to do it, right? we We should rather start seeing how the so-called amortep in the north and other Civil vigilante vigilante groups are being funded. Let's look at the border that they have been funded Well state policing in the worst state policing is capital interest Okay, so The system it gives politics Okay, so I'm glad that you just even talked about the likes of a motecone because I know that motecone is doing great work In the southwest and they're just you know helping out now They are not you know the police department, but they're doing their best in the capacity that they have and I'm just wondering so in states police not going to be something like that because at the end of the day Like you've rightly said The the state police definitely knows the terrain. He knows the no-concran is off of the state So if anything was to happen, they know how to respond swiftly now Isn't there a way to go about it whereby because I know your concern and Concern of the concern of so many Nigerians as well is the fact that there might be abuse of power Especially with the state governors because we've seen what has happened even with the local government whereby the state governor just you know It's still the one running the affairs right and so people think that if state police was to happen The state governor might just you know abuse that authority really but isn't there a way where you know, the Constitution can have Such you know, would I call them little little hoops whereby the state governor doesn't abuse the power Shouldn't that happen because if you look at maybe the United States of America, for instance They have the local police. You have the nypd the la pd, but then you still have the federal bureau of investigation So there is the federal one, but there's still the state one as well And it just helps if we're looking at curbing insecurity really So what can we do in our constitution to ensure that these state governors do not abuse power? Since that's one of your concerns. Thank you very much. Yes. That's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm telling you the In america the system works the system works Yeah, this is our system has not been fully operationalized to work effectively Okay If the police knows their limits In america From here when you say state police the Is it is the state police going to be responsible? for from certain Number of crimes maybe asking fighting robbery, burglary Then any crime that carried capital offense will be handled by federal forces So feel like that has to be designed Then the system has to be insulated against politics if the system is insulated against politics And appropriate punishment is being melt out without Without looking at the Particular ratio of whoever is operating it. I think we might get it a little bit better I knew there was a start Tip south south west as a case study They are going to start the state policing with what we have as a multiple now Because as the assistance corruption there has nomenclature of what the state police will look like, right? I'm a take who are very protected across all local governments or virtually all local governments By the state government there so I I think we need to insulate the system if we insulate the system That's irrespective of any political party The state police must remain and the operators of the state police must always put Nigeria first and in that case it to be the state first so it is It is easier said here, but when it comes to the operationalization just like what you pointed out a few Apart from that you know those state government conducted a several conducted local government election and the ruling party fail no Even in kadoona. They never fail. They only allow opposition to have like three local for local government That's the way it is That is even with federal police Talk less of when you even have a state police now It will pay the paper It takes a turn, right? Yeah, but it will it will really have if the system can be insulate The state police against abuse it will have because they have the advantage of knowing the terrain All the operate operators of the state police will know the looks and cranny of their environments So for every issue for every issue, there's always, you know, the pros and the cons So you have to think of, you know, what are the benefits for this of what looking at state police? What are the benefits and then we also look at the cons, you know, the things that might just limit us, right? Now the cons obviously should be something to tackle For instance, you have, you know, talked about the abuse of power as something that would definitely raise concern And you'll pay the paper, you know, it takes the tune. So the state governors might just say, you know What I am the person really in the affair. So whatever I say, you have to follow my own bid, right? But if you're going to weigh them, do you think it's something that we should definitely look at? And how can Nigeria, you know, prepare for this because your statement was Nigeria is not prepared for state police at the moment. So how can we prepare ourselves? Because you've said that, you know, it works in the in the united states of america They have a system that work, but it doesn't really work here if we're going to look at the peculiarities of our own nation So how can Nigeria get prepared for state police because that might just be a way maybe one way to curb insecurity Yeah, thank you very much The easiest and fastest way for us to get there is for us as a citizen To be patriotic In nature, we should be patriotic attack If we are patriotic, we'll get there We should strengthen to be patriotic. We know this is our country And We are having a security challenge There is no two way to eat if you have a state police the advantage of state police outnumber the disadvantage then Which you find a way To make it work One There should be reasonably funded If you are reasonably funded that will slay them from taking rights And If they know that their welfare has been adequately catered for They will not they will not be going and taking bribe or any form of gratification That will that will damage the image of the organization Number two They should be adequately equipped To conform with the security challenges of modern time Because A lot if they equipment in it goes beyond guns and And and cartridges, you know All right, technology And in the formation and recruitment Yes political sentiment should be put aside, right Very very keen We have we have Thousands of army of unemployed qualified personnel that perform The state police at inception They are going to be the traitors the trainers We have a lot of them every state has a lot of human resources to deploy All right, but We should we should avoid Politics if you wanted to sausage. All right. Thank you. That's where the most the nationalism should come first Petrotism avoid political sentiments. Um, and I think we might just get there. All right. Thank you so much It was a pleasure. I'm having a conversation with you Your royal highness. Thank you so much for coming Thank you very much. All right. It's my pleasure Well, then speaking with oba adekuni makama sigboshun The third is the olowo of akuta in ocean state and we've just been talking about his statement He says nigeria is not prepared for state police But you know, if we can avoid political sentiment and if you can be patriotic We might just get there. All right. That is it on the show today It's amazing having the breakfast with you as always. I will see you again tomorrow. My name is subramette polson. Have an amazing day