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Yeah, the shirts are fucking out. Flying, yeah. They don't even know shirts. Because, yeah, because people get it, you know. I love it. They don't know. Absolutely, you can find it in the, Andrew, over here, maybe over here, over here, mindpumpstore.com. Is where you'll find the Justin Andrews awesomeness. But they don't even know shirts. That was supposed to just be for me. Now it's out in the world. I wanted one, I hella wanted one. He just quietly plots, he watches us work out and talk shit. And he's in the back and he's like, That's how I do everything. When we go home, he does extra sets. Calculated, you know, how much shit were they talking? How can I get them when they don't see it coming? He's eating, while he's eating cheese? Yeah, I'm just like writing notes. Adam said this, you know, Sal, I'm coming for him on this one. Now, were you guys ever like, so I, here's something I don't know if I ever shared with you guys. So I used to keep, maybe I have, sticky pad notes, like when I was 20, I used to have like, All the people that said, Yes, are they revenge notes? Kind of, you know, not so much that as much as they were like competition. Like, so when I first got into the space, right? As a trainer. You'll never amount to anything. And you're like, I'm gonna write that down. Yeah, I'm gonna write that down. Stick that one out. Who said that? No, I had, I had the club that I started at, right? The very first club I ever started at as a personal trainer, I was 20 years old. It was at Capitol McKee 24 fitness and the top trainers. So like, and what they did in revenue and stuff. So that was all over. And I had it like in my mirror, someone brushed my teeth. Get up, you know, 100% identify with that. It works, bro. You think that we've gone past that? We have not. Like we're always looking for that. Like, I don't know if you guys noticed this, but we'll look and see like, okay, who's kind of like doing what we're doing or who's, you know, somebody out there that we can at least be like, Oh, you're doing it that way? Huh, watch this. Have we noticed that? It's like an open conversation. Well, it's a little harder now though. We're, you gotta be careful, right? Yeah, we will be the bull. You can always punch up. You can't punch down. You punch down, you're a bully, right? So that's why it was okay for me to- I mean, you can, but it's frowned upon. Yeah, it's frowned upon. Justin's gonna write a book. You can punch down. You can totally punch down, you guys. Punching down is fine. No, anger is, it can be a great motivator. Now it can consume the shit out of you though, but it definitely can be a good motivator initially. Otherwise you just drive yourself to shit. That book I was talking about that I'm reading right now, he talks a lot about that. He definitely is one of those guys that had like a chip on his shoulder and used that as a main motivator. You know who's constantly motivated by just people telling me I can't and I'm just pissed off? Our good friend Lane. No, Lane know him, bro. Yeah, Lane too. Lane and Craig are both like that. Yeah, Craig's like that too. Yeah, they're just like, they get in laser mode, you know, like a terminator mode. But Lane, like if the whole world was like- Well, Lane comes from the bullying, Craig comes from the sports. Yes. Craig is the- Craig's hella competitive. Yeah, very competitive athlete. And so he has not moved out of it. If you honestly, sincerely want Lane Norton to not crush or whatever, the best possible thing you could do is just be cool and tell him he's doing a great job. If everybody did that, you'd be like, where's my phone, guys, I need, I need some ammo. Someone needs to piss me off, you know? I have no fuel. He eats it up, dude. Eats it up, bro, speaking of anger. Oh my God, I'm finally feeling better. Yeah, you came in with, you know what? You came in very moody. Oh yeah. There he was, he got a little moody cloud from that. Yeah, he transferred over and rained down on you. Very moody this morning. But it only lasted about 10% of the amount of time. Ah! Get out of here with that. I'm already over it. You would have been moody for a week. He's even wound up in you on your moody. No, that's not true. I was so mad, dude, so mad. This is the third or fourth time now that our car got broken into. I am so... Yeah, that's infuriating. You know what listeners are like, where the fuck does Sal live? You wanna know where I live? San Jose, that's where I live. This city is gone, I swear to God, dude. You're gonna spend millions of dollars on a house and then if you don't lock your car or whatever, it's gonna get broken into. That's just the reality. It's literally Mad Max out here in California. Oh my God, I'm so mad because, and didn't sound like I stole anything I can't replace. Like, I get it, it wasn't that big of a deal, but just thinking that some... It's the hassle, man. Some piece of shit, hands are all over my car. And they don't do nothing about it. So I was asking you, I'm like, why are you even filing a police report? Cause I have to do something. Yeah, I know you're saying that, but then that just makes it worse because you have to do all the work for that. And they literally, you know how they file it away? Yeah. That's exactly what they do. You put this in the car with that file? Oh, garbage. We let you know we have leads. Yeah. I think... Don't you guys get fingerprints? No, I remember that. I think I told that story. Did I tell that story? So my car's been stolen. Two cars stolen from the front of my house. And I remember asking the police officer, I believe they laughed at me. I think they chuckled. You know, like... Yeah. It's so insulting. Yeah, it was. I really thought I was like, you know what, you're gonna check for fingerprints or doing that? There's semen somewhere. I've seen in CI. There's gonna be DNA somewhere. Find the DNA. Why aren't you guys wearing rubber gloves? Isn't this in a database? No, they don't give a shit. They have way more... Nothing happened. They got other stuff to worry about. And it's just... Understandably so, right? So, I mean, I get it, right? Dude, there's a part of me, and this is just, I'm not gonna do this, okay? I'm not a violent person. But there's a part of me as a father and a husband. And any... Listen, let me tell you something right now. Any man worth assault when you feel like your family was threatened or you feel like their safety has been compromised, there's this inner primal feeling you have. We're literally, I'm in my head and I'm thinking, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna camp out. And I'm gonna wait for this son of a bitch to come through my car. And then I'm gonna break his legs. The dark thoughts come. Oh, yeah. It is primal. It's like it's embedded in our DNA, you know? It's like, if you feel like you've been violated or your family's threatened in any way, all of a sudden like the shark eyes are just like... Yeah, dude, the lids come down. I went through that. I told you, yeah. I was like, oh, I had that where we had like a lot of problems with break-ins and things like even in my neighborhood. And I figured out where it was like all coming from and it turns out like it wasn't but I've kind of went a little crazy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. It was just like, it was a protective thing. It's a total... Look, the worst I ever felt it. My baby Bjorn was stolen today. I'm gonna break somebody's legs. Okay, so you know what's funny? You're right. You're right from a logical standpoint. Sounds silly. But in your mind as a dad, you're like they stole my child's thing. Like I remember my house got broken in two years ago. This is when my older son is 15 now. He was just like four years old, five years old. They stole this piggy bank. And I remember thinking my child's piggy bank. It's a special place in hell. And I told you guys, I went through this buying spree of like weapons, like swords. Oh, that's right. That's when you got a sword, a samurai sword. A crossbow. I'm gonna get all these crazy ones. What am I gonna do with this shit? I know. You just starred just in case. Like I'm gonna kill someone with a sword. You know how hard that would be to kill someone with a sword? You'd have to like kill them for a while. You know what I mean? It's not like a gun. It's really sharp. Die, die, die. You know what I mean? And then afterwards you're like, what have I done? He stole my piggy bank. That's what he gets. Anyway. You can go to dark places. Anyway, I'm feeling a little bit better. Yeah, you're coming out of it. A little bit. Just a bit. But I emailed the property management. They'll go, shit. No. It's not our responsibility, but come on. Respond a little better, dude. Well, who's is it? Where do you park your car? I mean, you did leave the door unlocked. Maybe. Well, I mean, was there any broken windows? Listen. That's probably what happened. It's a significant detail. Just a little bit. That's probably what happened. Here's where I would have a hard time where what I think would temper me a little bit is there's also a chance that it wasn't the homeless encampment that you have around the corner. And it was teenage boys that were just running. They checked door handles every night, you know? Of course. Because that's happened to me, too. Like so. I've got two cars stolen and then I have several cars. Yeah, well, those were ex-girlfriends, I'm sure. Yeah, they were, dude. That's what it gets keyed, dude. That's a frigging. Has your car ever got a keyed? Yes, that's an angry chick move, dude. I've got two cars keyed. Oh. That's definitely an angry chick. Just along the side of the car? Two? And if it's a dude, you're a bitch, bro. Come on, dude. That's like a super bitch move. Could you imagine seeing a guy key a car? You wouldn't do it, dude. If I saw a guy key somebody else's car, I would punch him. I would punch him. If it wasn't even my car, if I saw a guy keying another guy's car, I would literally punch him. I don't care what that dude did. For you to key his car, go fight him, then, or go. Go settle in on my friend's car. That's the best story. That was a mistake. That was drunk, though. And I got punished big time. Well, wasn't that like a prank thing going back and forth? Yeah, it was a prank war. That's different, dude. So did either one of you guys get a chance to listen to the Peter Lineman interview? I did. I listened to a good chunk of it. OK. Yeah, a good chunk of it. First of all, I'm so excited. I think get to interview him in three weeks, I believe. Is it set up? Yeah, it's already booked. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, it's already booked. I wanted him to fly in, but he's out in Philadelphia and he's not flying right now. So it was like, either I could wait down the road, but I want to talk to him right now. I just feel like there's so much going on with that's relevant. Yeah, it's really. Now, I did like what he said, though, on that interview. I love everything he says. Well, what he said in there, one part that I really liked is what I hate is when, because politics is just it's infiltrated every part of life, even science, right? Even science. The study will come out and then. That's a frustrating part. The political machine will come in and twist it one way or another because to benefit them or whatever. And economics has become politicized for a long time. Oh, very much. And I hate it because I'll hear an economist say, printing all this money, no, inflation's not going to happen, which is just, of course, it's going to happen. That's how it works. And it just makes me mad. Well, here he comes out and he says, oh no, inflation's already happened like crazy. Asset inflation is what's happened, which is true. You look at the price of assets, the stock market, property, things of value, even expensive used cars. So cars that are used that tend to be collectibles and more expensive, those are starting to go up quite a bit. So this is all the result of inflation from all this money that's being printed. So I'm glad he said that. No, I love everything he says. And for that exact reason, I've listened to him. I don't know how many hours and hours of listening to him now. And I have no idea his political affiliation. I have no clue where he leans left or right because of the way he presents information. And it's very rare to find that, even in economics. Either one, I find a political skew, left or right, one direction, when they're talking about economics, which is lame that they have to go that route. Or they have a bias because they're trying to sell you a product. Oh, pick up my book or buy some gold or take my courses. And so a lot of times, I don't get that from the interviews that I've listened to with him. I think he presents really interesting information. The most interesting stat to me, okay? Because I'm still having a really hard time wrapping my brain around, can this keep going? Can the stocks keep going? Can the real estate keep going? All of our time, we've seen a crash after these crazy rides like this. Isn't it inevitable? It's inevitable this is gonna crash down. But we're in a very different time right now. When you talk about the amount of money that we have printed right now, I mean, you're talking about, I believe we're over 65% of all money that is in circulation today did not exist just a year and a half ago. That's crazy, right? So this is different. This is not the same as we're definitely printing a lot faster and a lot more than we ever have. Accelerating too, every time they do a new one. Exactly, and so it makes me wonder, like is it possible that we're gonna see these homes which sound so crazy in San Jose that we talk about that are 1.5 for a beat up track home? Could it be 2.2, 2.5 in five years from now? It's very, very possible. The stat that I thought was most alarming and interesting to me, did you hear what the trend has been for decades for the average amount of savings and money and checking accounts? No, no, I didn't get to that point. Okay, so I will love to hear what you guys think here. So I'll give you what the- So our savings just going down? No, no, no, listen, listen, listen, listen. So we have the data for this over several generations. We've had an average of about $3 trillion collectively in everybody's checking and savings account. It stays right around there. It goes up or down a little bit per year and the peaks and valleys, but it pretty much averages right there. Do you know where that number is right now? And take a guess. Let me hear what you guys would think is where it is right now. Now, this is including- Checking and savings. But I know, but this is including the very wealthy, the very, like everybody. This is across the United States. Okay, so I would assume it's much higher. I would assume it's much higher because there are some segments of the economy that have just crushed and a lot of it has to do with people who are in great positions to crush. Well, yeah, I imagine too, when you're talking about trillions of dollars, another trillion is a lot more higher. So what is your guess on what- I would assume it's more, though. I don't know how much more, but I would say- I have no idea. 9 trillion, wow. It is 3X, dude, 3 trillion. Now, I would love to dive into that number and see where it's coming from, because I would bet that- Well, he does. Oh, does he? Yeah, yeah, so some of it is, I mean, there's a lot of things, right? And you can't obviously pinpoint exactly how much of everything, but there was a lot of unintended savings, right? Is that what he calls it? Is that what he calls it, Doug? Unintended savings? I think that's how you- I can't remember the term exactly. Basically, because of COVID, there was a lot of trips to Paris or Disneyland or- So people just saving canceled so they're staying home and just- So the canceling. The canceling's stacking. That's right. Then you also have trillions of dollars that got printed and sent to people. You also had a lot of people that made a ton of money on their real estate over the last five to seven years. So you've got a lot of factors- And probably fear from 2008. And stocks, there's a lot of stocks that were inflated over the last decade that people have cashed out or pulled out some of it. So a lot of these people have got that money right now and it's not being quite spent. Not at the rate that it is normally being spent and it's gonna go somewhere. It's gonna go back into the economy. It's gonna either go into goods and services or travel or buying more companies or what he speculates, people buying their first-time homes and real estate and things like that. And so I thought that would, I actually would have thought at these trying times of unemployment where it's at and what happened with COVID that a lot of people were living off their savings and there wouldn't be as much money in the savings and checking. It just blew my mind when he- See this is why I would like to see like which segment of the population has that increase gone to mostly- So he talks about this also. So he says that we have seen the greatest transfer of wealth with no legislation ever in our history. I thought that was really interesting. Without any laws or bills or anything being passed, you literally took all, you have favored the wealthy. And that is why I try to tell all my friends that we're voting for a lot of this stuff and his pro pushing out all the printing and stuff is like, dude, you have no idea. If you are middle class or lower, this is really hurting you more than anything else. Even though you're hearing, Biden talking about increasing taxes on the wealthy and it doesn't matter. It still serves the wealthy way more. They are now in a position with where real, because cash is cheap. And they're good. And that's gonna stay- Yeah, interest rates are so low and you're somebody that can leverage loans. You've got good- You're buying properties- You've got good credit. You've got savings already. And it's gonna inflate anyway, so it's like a no brainer. And that's what, to me, this explains a lot of what I see every day when I'm looking at real estate and we're going after deals and we talk and it's like, oh my God, there's people coming in here, they're paying 20, 30% over asking with no contingency, no appraisals, all cash. That makes no investing sense whatsoever. It breaks all the rules in investing in real estate. But if you are in this position, if you're somebody with lots of money and you know if they keep printing money, the inevitable is going to happen, like you said. And not to mention that the regulations or the laws that they passed with COVID hurt small businesses very, very hard and did not hurt big businesses at all in many cases and in fact might have helped them. So if you have a small bookstore or a small hardware shop or a small, whatever restaurant, whatever, destroyed, but if you're Amazon, if you're DoorDash, if you're these other large companies, people are still buying stuff during that period of time. They still needed things. They're just not going to the local store. They're all shut down. So that's what you see is huge transfer of the market and they're continuing to push in this direction. Another way you transfer the market is by raising the minimum wage. Anytime you raise it up, it's the small businesses that have a tough time paying. The bigger ones, they love it. In fact, if you see where some of these big companies like Walmart, when they support minimum wages, that's why, they love, every time they raise it, they kill more of their small competition because they can't afford to pay those types of wages. I mean, I've noticed that the first thing with the pandemic was how hard small businesses got hit and wasn't being talked about enough. I felt like in terms of these policies and who they're shutting down versus who they're allowing to still be open and run and thrive, and it just was completely obvious. If you have that kind of reach and infrastructure where you can buy these online products, you can pull it off. Your business is gonna explode. Well, remember what happened in California? There was that one video went viral a while ago where there was a lady who had a coffee shop. Coffee shop, of course, shut down. She was going out of business. She was in LA. Her parking lot in front of her coffee shop, she shows up to get stuff from her office. Again, out of business because ordered to shut down by the state. And she sees all these tents and chairs and stuff outside. And she's like, what the hell's going on? Well, Hollywood got a pass and they were filming a fucking movie right outside. And these are, now why? They're connected. They could go to the governor or whatever and say, hey, we wanna make this movie. And the governor's like, well, you're my friend or oh, it's this many jobs. So you get a pass. You're not gonna get a pass if you have a small coffee shop. Who are you gonna talk to? And so it's just happening more and more. That's what people need to realize is there's gonna be a shakedown. That's what's gonna happen. And the more the bigger government gets and the more it intervenes, the more it benefits the bigger guy. It just works that way. So we need to kind of, they need to step back. And step back and help people out. In voluntary savings. That was the term that I was trying to think of. But he does talk also and speculates that we will see a rise back in brick and mortar again. In fact, the statistics that show how much people were shopping online did not increase as much as you would have thought of considering that all the brick and mortars were handcuffed. He got into it. He gives this great analogy of him playing basketball and averaging eight points a game. And then if the next year, he goes, my season average is eight points a game. I play basketball. He goes, and then the next season, they tie all the defenders' hands behind their back. And my average goes up to nine. Are you impressed? And that's what he said happened to online sales in this last year. Of course, consumers still are addicted to buying and purchasing and that trend's been going forever now or not forever, but for 50 plus years, we've been on that trajectory already. And it really didn't change that much. It just kind of shifted a little bit over to online. And they're already seeing as states are starting to open up that that decrease. And so a lot of people thought it was going to change, right? It's going to completely change the landscape forever, which I can't remember who... Yeah, go ahead. I can't remember who we interviewed who said this. They talked about being prepared for a lot of these things but not pivoting so hard that you commit to doing a whole other way of doing business. I think that highlights this. Yeah, no, I've speculated this a bit too because our behaviors, a lot of people really enjoy going to physical places and it's circumstantial. The circumstances right now is that you can't... A lot of businesses couldn't maintain that. They were forced, it was forcibly shut down versus like that wasn't a consumer driven way to handle it. Sure, but you're still gonna have some permanent effects. I don't think it's gonna be completely changing it. It'll take a while to mend a lot of it but I see consumers starting to slowly demand it when it's uncomfortable. But my point is there's businesses that are not gonna come back. There's gonna be some businesses that never come back. There's gonna be, well, not like this. This definitely caused, this definitely forced a lot more change. This has changed people's behaviors somewhat, maybe not totally, but somewhat. So there's definitely some long-term ramifications. The part that bothers me the most is policies like this hurt people who save the most. Unless you're investing in assets so that your wealth grows along with the inflation of these things. If you just have cash, you're actually, without realizing it, it's losing its value every year. That's the transfer of wealth that he said that we saw the greatest transfer of wealth from the retired and the conservative saver over to the aggressive investor. That's, we just shifted that completely because Mark is completely for that. Yeah, you screw up, by printing that much money, it's inevitable. Those assets are going to go up, either or or both are going to happen. Either consumer goods will go up a little bit or some. For sure, you'll see that with assets and things like that. And the people that will benefit the most from that are the people that already have some of these assets and are in a position to leverage and buy more of those assets. And you really, the person who gets the most hurt is that family or guy or girl that has been busting their ass for 30 years in the same job, saving their ass off, living well below their means, and finally reached a place of, let's say $400,000 in their savings, which is a lot of work. Without realizing it got taxed by inflation. That's right. Now worth 10% less without even doing anything. Right, right, right. Yeah, crazy. So I got to ask you guys a question before you change the subject. Would you guys opt in for cryogenically freezing your body after you die? Yes. To freeze my body after I die, what? Yes, like Walt Disney did. So there's like 146 people that in this somewhere in, I think it's in like Phoenix or somewhere in Arizona where they're all cryogenically frozen. And their hopes is that at some point science is gonna go ahead and basically revive them. So now they're gonna keep living this crazy zombie existence. So Walt Disney did this, I believe, right? Doug, can you fact check me here? Cause I thought I had heard that. Yeah, I think that's a rumor. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, well fact check me then cause I thought that was true. Now you know Justin with that, so you can spend money to cryogenically freeze everything or you can get the discount, this isn't true, where they just freeze your head. Shut up. I'm serious. Just freeze the brain. Just freeze your head so you can pop it on a body. Or freeze the whole body and everything. You can actually do that. Is that true? It's like Frankensteinia. So what you're doing is you're signing up for future experiment is what you're doing. Is you're signing yourself up for in the future, then you can use my body. Use my body. So let's see, he was. No, no, no, no, no. No, he was not. According to his daughter, she's denied that, so. That he was cryogenically frozen. Well, shit. You imagine the power goes out? You said there's 170 people that you said that have done it? It's 146. Anybody famous? Did they list it? They didn't list the names, I think they stated on this. I would do it, would you do it? Would you do it? No. You wouldn't do it. It's just unnatural, like I'm here right now, like I'm going through this experience. I just feel like it's just, so what? Where am I going to come back from? Like who is, that's not going to be me. That's, you know what? So there's this like, this question. I don't know, it's a philosophical challenge, right, this question where they say, there's a few different versions of it. One is, if I take your arm off and replace it with a bionic arm, are you still you? And you say yes. And then you keep going down that path. What if I replace your left arm? What if I replace your whole body? Whatever you place, most your brain. What, you know, half your brain. At what point are you no longer you? Then there's another kind of version of this where they say, if they could take your brain and somehow completely mimic it 100% in a computer and then your voice comes out and it's you, is that really you or is it a copy of you? In which case, there would be impossible to determine. Well, it's not really you if it lacks your soul and conscious, right? Well, I mean. If it lacks those two things, then I think it's not. Well, it freezes soul? No, you're not going to. That's why I'm like, whatever, you're right. It's not probably me. My soul would leave right when I die, but they would reincarnate me somehow and like me would be running around. Reanimate Adam. Reanimated Adam. Yeah, I like that. What's that movie? Idiocracy. You guys ever seen that? No, no. You never seen Idiocracy? No, no. So this dude. Is any good? Yeah, he's just some regular guy or whatever and he gets frozen. And then he wakes up sometime in the future and over time in the movie, what happens is dumb people have more kids than smart people. They've outpopulated everybody. So over time, everybody's just stupid. So he comes out and he was just a regular dude but he's like this genius in this new world. Like the president, is this like pro wrestler? Yeah. They all like sponsorships for everything. Yeah, and they don't drink water. They drink this like Gatorade type drink or whatever. They can't figure out why their crops keep dying. For the last time, I'm pretty sure what's killing the crops is this Brando stuff. The Brando's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes. So wait a minute. What you're saying is that you want us to put water on the crops. Yes. Water, like out the toilet? Well, I mean, it doesn't have to be out of the toilet, but yeah, that's the idea. But Brando's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes. They keep watering. It's actually a pretty funny thing. Speaking of freezing, last night, so my chili pad right is set on like, I do really low. I've talked about Katrina goes really high or whatever. I don't know if you guys noticed this, but I have it scheduled. So it cools down really nice, right? Right as I'm getting about a half hour or so, I would say. So it's ready. Yeah, so it's ready. So it's cool, but it's not at the bottom still. So like I put it all the way down to 55, I think is the lowest or like 58, I think is where I have it. So I get, but I also know that it takes a good solid hour. So to get there, when I get in the bed at the half hour mark, it's not freezing cold. It's just cold and my body kind of warms it up. And then it's basically competing with it the rest of the night. And I sleep perfect. I've literally got it down to a science. The only time it's thrown off is if I get to the bed later, like then is it too cold? Yeah, it's like like last night. So where I'm at, it's much colder there than it is over here. We're like, we're normally like 10, 15 degrees colder. So the last few this week, we had this kind of cold spell that came through. And so my house was cold, you know, I was by the fire downstairs with that, then I come upstairs like an hour late and just freezing cold. And Katrina's got her so hot. So I'm like huddled up next to her and she's like, what are you doing? Because I never like to put a cold as I've never, yeah, I never like to cuddle like that. I'm like, my bed, my side's too cold. I can't know. It's my cousin. So I gave him mine. So we had, we got an extra one. I gave it to him. He loves it. Him and his wife absolutely love it. They said it's one of the best things. And I know it keeps getting ranked as one of the better ones. With with mine, I like to set it so that it, I think I've told you guys this, it warms up in the morning. Wakes me up. I do that now. How do you, how do you like that? Oh, I love it. You're the one. I told you for the longest time, I hadn't done it when we moved to the new place, like new, new bed, new mattress. I got the dual control, Oolr, everything. So like this is the first time like I got it like all set up perfect. And I, you know, Katrina wants hers warm pretty much all night. She doesn't even use the coolant. I'm like, dude, you'll sleep better. No, it doesn't want it. I'm like, okay, whatever. It's your, it's your Oolr. You can use it however the fuck you want. So she runs it hot the entire night. I go ice cold and then about an hour before I want to wake up, I set it to heat up and it took me a while to get that down, right? So it takes, to me, it takes longer than about, you know, 30 minutes for it to really warm up to wake me up. So I had done, I made the mistake originally. No, you got to, I set mine an hour before. Yeah, I made the mistake originally of only like, I was like, I don't want it to wake me up too early. I don't want to wake me up at four, right? So I was turning on the heat like at five o'clock or 5.30. I don't remember what I had it at before. And then I was like, oh, it's not waking me up. I have to, it needs to be warm, really warm for a while to like get me all the way. I get, I'm less stiff. Have you noticed that from the cool, from the cool bed? Oh, I don't know if I've noticed that. That's interesting. I wake up less stiff. Like I'm like, really? Yeah, now it's not cold like ice. So it's not like I'm icing my body, but I do wake up. I think it's just because I get better sleep. It keeps me, what I notice is it keeps me down. Like I'm out. Like I sleep really, really well right now. It's, that thing has been one of the most. I don't get up like sometimes, you know, when you feel like you're a little uncomfortable, you tend to notice too, like, oh no, I got a pee or whatever. And so I got to get up and like I don't get up at all. Yeah, just pee in bed. Well, I just get in bed, just let it, well I run hot and I absorb it. And sometimes you go to bed and you don't feel like you're that warm, but under the sheets, if I'm under there long enough, it'll heat up and then I'll wake up a couple of hours in where that's what I love about it is that it's measuring your temperature and the bed temperature and it will adjust to keep it at the temperature you set. So it'll keep, if you start to heat up your body, it's not like it's set at a temperature, it'll actually increase to bring it down. Living on my dreams, typically. Yeah, I hate that. When you, it's like, you know, I set my alarm at five, but three or four AM, I got to get up to pee. Yeah. And I'm like, ah, and it's like, ugh, you shouldn't hold it. Yes, dude, and it's like, fuck it, I can hold this for another hour, but instead what ends up happening is they end up getting shitty sleep for an hour. Yeah. Because I'm, you keep thinking about it, it's like entering into your dreams too. It's the worst. Hey, you guys hear about New York City's, they passed a couple, a couple of inch prostitution. So there's that. So they decriminalized. Now he, okay, here's a wonderful, I love- You're gonna pitch us on a business idea right now? No, yeah. Justin, I want to talk to you for a second. Only fans and weed. Yeah, why are you gonna love this one? Yeah, just cakes and plates. No, I love situations like this because I get to point out how politicians operate, right? So here's a politician that wants New York to think that they're doing a great job. Okay, I think if you're voluntarily having sex with someone for money, it's weird that we throw you in jail. They're not legalizing it, but they decriminalize it, right? So sounds good, right? Except they actually, they're asking for sex for money is still criminal. So what they did is they essentially kept it the same. So if you go ask, if you go try to talk to a prostitute or whatever, you're still gonna get criminalized. So it doesn't really change anything. It sounds good, doesn't really change much. So the law decriminalized it for the sex workers, but if you're a John, which is what they call them, whatever, you're still in big trouble. I don't understand what's the point of that then. Yeah, but- The point is that it sounds nice to your constituents. Yeah, but don't you think that a lot of officers then are just gonna turn, they're not gonna waste their time chasing Johns then. I feel like it's the same thing that you see with marijuana. I don't know if you've talked to cops lately. Like if a cop pulls you over for speeding and you've got like a joint in your car or you have weed or what like that, like nobody's messing with you. Yeah, it's just- Unless you're smoking while you're driving. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, no, if you're caught actually smoke. But I mean, it's got to a point like that where, and even if you had steroids or like, I feel like we've got to a place now that it's just, if it's for one person, a lot of cops are just like- Yeah, I don't know. I'm not messing with you. I don't know how they're ordering their police department because I know in California, they made marijuana possession like a bottom, it's on the bottom of the list. It's a misdemeanor now. Yeah, but my point is with this, yes, it's decriminalized for sex workers, still criminalized for people asking for sex, essentially making it the same. There's no real big difference. Well, I saw the headlines and I, my immediate thought was like, oh, this is a move to bring back tourism. Yeah, because New York's been sort of in shambles, right? So how are we gonna get them back? Speaking of which, did you guys see that, I don't remember who did this, but they were offering people a free joint for a vaccine in New York? Oh, so joints and donuts, huh? So if you got a vaccine and you bring your proof of vaccine, we'll give you a joint. I mean. And you can sell your body for sex. I mean, I might get it. You might catch me on the day. I know, I might get it now. You got me there. It was like this about the donuts. I'm like, eh, I'm not a big donut guy. I'm not a big donut guy, I'm not a big donut guy, but a joint, okay. I know, interesting, right? Interesting stuff. Anyway, I was gonna ask you about your, are you the one that ordered a million boxes of magic spoon? Did you see? Dude, I saw your story. At first I thought it was like, you know, 15 or whatever. So what's the deal? And then it just kept going and going and going. So this is actually kind of cool. I'm actually glad you brought it up. I posted it, because it was kind of funny, right? I actually did not order 40 boxes of magic spoon, although I have 40 boxes of magic spoon, four leftover and then two 16 cases. So this is how this goes down, okay? So Katrina is downstairs. I'm upstairs and I'm like working or do something. And she's like yelling upstairs, I'm ordering magic spoon for you. What do you want? And I'm like, I want fruity, get fruity. And I guess she had already put an order in for blueberry. She's like, ah, damn it. I thought you love blueberry. That's your favorite, I thought. I'm like, you know what? I've been really liking the fruity, get fruity and some of that. And she goes, well, how many do you want? I'm like, four, all four. And then she's like, four of them? And I'm like, yes, all fruity, no blueberry. I'm good on the blueberry. And I'm yelling her to do that, right? So that's the last I hear of it. Well, then all of a sudden this big ass box shows up to my house and I'm like, that looks like more than four fruity, right? And I open up and she ordered four cases of it. So we got 16 boxes of that, right? And then on top of that, because we just recently, we recently moved, for some reason, one of the orders got shipped to the other house. So they actually, she called in this way. And by the way, what was cool about this whole situation is this is, obviously we work with Magic Spoon. I can get free cereal if I want, but I actually buy it and pay for it. I also like doing this with our partners because I get opportunities just like this to actually experience their customer service without them knowing who I am. So Katrina calls them and emails first in and then somebody actually talked to her and she doesn't tell them who she is or anything like that. So they don't know, but she tells them the situation. Hey, I ordered this and could you re-route the other one? And they're like, don't even worry about it. We'll send you another box to your house. So the people living at your old place got free Magic Spoon? No, it also got re-routed. So they looked up that we had purchased those four cases already in probably our buying history and was like, don't even worry about it. We see that you're consistently buyer with that. We'll send you another case out right now. And then hopefully that one gets re-routed to your house. So I got the first 16, then I got another 16 and then I got the re-routed one. You get the re-routed one. Yeah, so what is that? 40-something boxes of- You have to have a cereal party or something. Oh dude, I have so many boxes of cereal parties. Cereal party! I normally do not. I'm gonna use that for my commercial if I were in the bathtub. I know, I don't eat that much. It's poor milk. But I just thought that was great. You know, I thought that was a really great customer service that they would do that and do that not knowing who Katrina was when she was calling him. But you eat a box for a serving sometimes, don't you? I have. I don't do that normally at all. That has to be, I have to be in a real mood to do that, right? That's not like a good behavior of mine. What kind of mood is that? Yeah, like I train really hard. You can't deserve it? Yeah, yeah, train really hard. I'm low calorie. I'm probably also- I just picture you come home. I'm probably intoxicated. Candles lit, I deserve it. Yeah, he comes home and he takes off his jacket and says, oh man, what a tough day. He's been hard, you know? And then he's like, you know? And he lights his candles and he's like, I deserve this. I mean, it kinda looks a little bit like that, you know? Watching 16 and pregnant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the bathtub. With the bubbles. Kinda accurate, kinda accurate, but I don't do it that often. I would say that my size serving is I get about four bowls, which by the way, I was talking to someone today who said, man, I love the cereal, but I just feel like it's kind of expensive for how much you get. I'm like, you know, this is the same thing I used to have to teach people about protein powders. You are paying for the protein. Show me something that has- Carbs are always cheap. Yes, carbs are hella cheap. So if you just want sugar and carbohydrates, you can get something, you can get boxes of cereal for $2. You can get it for super cheap, but what you are paying for- You get fruity O's. Is the protein, and you guys- The multi-meal, the fuck off. Well, they do this even with protein powders. Like, I used to have clients, right? I would tell them, this is the brand I want you to get, and then they come back and they'd be like, and I'd see, and I'm like, why did you get this brand? Oh, well, it was half the price of the brand. You told me to. I said, yeah, but turn the label around. You're getting 10 grams of protein. I sent you one that's giving you 40 grams of protein. One, I need your protein didn't take high. That's why I do it. Two, that is why it is half the price. You're getting- It's just like cheap toilet paper. Three, there's no sugar. It's just like cheap toilet paper. You buy a big old roll of cheap toilet paper, but you got to use twice as much toilet paper. That's right, yeah. To do the same job. That's right. Otherwise you get the poke for it. The poke through. You don't want to get the poke. That is the same thing. So everybody that thinks that magic spoon is expensive, it is higher protein than any cereal you can find on the market. That's right. And speaking of the poke through, there's this prank I'm seeing on social media that is hilarious. Have you guys seen this? Where they'll blindfold someone and then they'll take like an orange. So they'll take an orange and they'll scoop out the inside of the orange so it's empty and they'll fill it with Nutella. This is good. What? So you got it. I get it, I get it. So full of Nutella. I'm trying to fall away. Then you blindfold the other person. They don't see what's going on. You just blindfold them. And you say stick your finger out. So they stick their finger out like this. And then you take the orange with the Nutella and then you put it up to the finger and you push their finger in it and then you pull it out. And then before they take off the blindfold, you have your dog up on the table. Oh my God. With their butt facing you. Ew, what is that dude? Open up. You fucking kidding me. Are you fucking serious here? Oh my God. So they look at their finger with Nutella on it. There's the dogs butt right in front of their face and they all lose their shit. Oh my God. They lose their mind. Of course. Oh, that's so good. It's the best prank ever. I saw one guy where this is- But does people like smell it first? Well, you know- No, no, I saw one guy like lose his shit and his buddy grabbed his finger and then licked his teeth. Oh, I was just saying. That is what I would use to do. Like take it to another level. I was gonna say it would be great to have one guy that is in on it, who's like too blindfolded. The one who's in on it knows that when you un-blindfold you just stick it in your mouth and you look at it. Look at the other guy. The other guy would probably freak out. Oh, that's funny. Hey, real quick, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Go head over to mindpumpfree.com and go download some of our free guides. We teach you how to burn body fat more effectively, how to build more muscle, how to speed up your metabolism, raise your testosterone. We even have guides for personal trainers. They're all free, mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast. Our first caller is Christine from Colorado. Hey, Christine, how can we help you? Hi. I am, first I wanna say I love you guys. Love listening to you. But my question was, I recently had surgery and going through MAPS aesthetic right now in phase two and I can't do a lot of the chest and abs exercises. So I was just wondering, is that something I would just skip over? Should I add additional exercises to the other body parts or should I just try a new program period? Yeah, so that was just my question. Yeah, no, that's actually a good question because I get similar questions all the time where people will say things like, I hurt my knee or my right arm is injured. Should I train the rest of my body? So this is actually quite interesting because studies actually show that training the rest of the body prevents a certain degree of atrophy in the areas that aren't being trained. So in other words, put it in layman's terms. If I don't train my right arm because my right arm is injured, but I continue to work out my left arm, believe it or not, my right arm will actually lose less strength and muscle while it's healing. So continue to train the rest of your body so long as it's appropriate and of course, avoid training the areas that you can't currently train. However, when you're released to be able to train those areas again, start very, very slowly and you should recover quite quickly. Muscle memory is a real thing. So when you get back into the workout, you'll notice that the strength gains and the muscle gains will come on real quick initially, kind of get you back to where you were before. How long did the doctor say you're out for on chest and abs? So I'm clear, I can do them if I want to. I just, it's not comfortable, if that makes sense. Sometimes it just feels weird. So I just don't wanna push it and mess something up. I mean, you can probably guess what kind of surgery I had. I just don't wanna mess anything up. I'm starting to piece it together right now. Yeah, so I just, I'm good. I just, he said, whenever I feel like I can, I can, so. Yeah, no, no, okay. So I'm assuming, you don't have to confirm this. I'm assuming you have augmentation that was done and I've trained a lot of women who've had this type of procedure and they all say the same thing. They all say what you say. When they go back to working out, it just doesn't feel right or it feels tight or it feels like something bad is gonna happen when they train the chest. And that's because just for the audience, the most common way to do this is they'll place an implant under the muscle. It's now changed the angle of pull a little bit. And so it's not gonna feel like it did before. Now my recommendation is to continue to train it within your, as long as you're released to do so, within your comfort zone and slowly over time, you'll find that you'll get back to your training. What you don't wanna do is leave it alone completely forever. You'll get a lot of atrophy. You'll cause some dysfunction in the body. You may actually cause dysfunction in the shoulders as a result of this. So I would say stay within your comfort zone, train very light, start very easy, move through full ranges of motion, allow your body to dictate how hard you can go as it continues to become more comfortable. Yeah, the first step is really to reconnect. And so to make sure like you take that very gradually. So you spend time in certain ranges of motion and really try to regain that sort of tension, that response and contraction from your muscles. So honestly, to do really slow reps or to pause or to do isometric type of exercises, I think will be very valuable for you to start and just really gradually go through that. Then maybe progress to rubber bands or something a little bit less damaging and make your way back real slowly. I'd be more concerned about abs and core than I would be chest personally. Clients that I've trained that have done breast implants. I've always ended up focusing more on rowing anyways because they typically tend to round their shoulder. I think everybody rounds their shoulders forward as it is. And then when you get surgery in there, it just kind of pulls and tightens everything forward even more. So most of the energy and focus for training a client in your situation would be centered around rowing. So in the question you asked about potentially replacing some of those chest exercises, yeah, I would add another row in there, right? So I'd do like a cable row or another dumbbell row, whatever is not in that program. I'd add or suspension trainer row, I'd add another row in there to help support that. That would be my main focus. And then I'd probably do more core stability stuff instead of something directly strength training core. I wouldn't put you through a heavy loaded sit-up or anything like that or a decline or a hanging, something like that that's gonna be a little strenuous on the abs right now. I would probably do more stability and core, get you to activate that and kind of like Justin said, get reconnected to those muscles. So that would be kind of my focus. And the chest stuff that Sal and Justin are kind of alluding to, I'd probably start to slowly progress to that and lightweight easy, more focused on range of motion down the road when you feel more comfortable. But I don't think it's gonna hurt you to lay off of it for a little while. Yeah, that's a good point, Adam. I've actually worked with probably five women who had frozen shoulder as a result of a procedure like this because they didn't move, they were afraid to move, didn't feel good. And then they actually, their shoulder function got so bad that they got what's called frozen shoulder. So strengthen the mid-back when you do your rows, like Adam said, focus on pulling the shoulder blades back and down. Okay, that's gonna be real important. And then again, you still have to get the chest eventually to work through a full range of motion because you can have the strongest back in the world. But if your chest is so tight because you don't move it and you don't work it, that it pulls your shoulders forward, you still are at risk for shoulder problems. Okay, awesome. All right, awesome. Thanks for calling. Thanks guys. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's, in my experience, when I've worked with clients who've done this, the clients who trained consistently beforehand, usually once they're cleared, it takes us about six months before they feel really good. Women who didn't train beforehand, it could take as long as a year. So I just, and this is important to know if you're thinking about doing this, there is a bit of a recovery process that goes beyond the just healing aspect. I've noticed that with any procedure. I mean, really, if you're going into, to have any kind of surgery or any kind of, you know, invasive, you know, type of medical procedure, I think that, you know, really train the body, making sure that, you know, you're nice and strong for that rebound effect. It makes a massive difference. So I've had a little more success than something as long as six months. And I've actually trained north of 20 plus clients in this situation, right? What I have found is that there's a huge individual variance here. I've had clients that were literally back-to-weight training like two weeks later. And then I've had other ones that three months we couldn't even do stuff. So really it's about how well their body recovers. And you would think that it would have a lot to do with, you know, how much they trained before and then how fast they recover, but it really just has to do with how fast that person recovers period. I think the person who does train beforehand tends to have more of an advantage, but I've even seen that. I've seen some of my fittest clients took a really long time for them to recover and get back. And then somebody who I didn't think was that fit bounced right back. So there is a huge individual variance here. And so you definitely have to listen to your body, take it slow. I don't think, because so many people suffer from upper cross syndrome where their shoulders are rolled forward, I'm less focused and worried about training the chest. Like I would, you know, give her ample time to feel recovered and really, really good. Most of my energy and focus is gonna go on rowing and pulling those shoulders back and down. I do think there is, you know, quite a bit of urgency to establish like movement again in terms of range of motion and all that in order for the recovery process to actually, you know, occur. But yeah, it has to be very, very much within the range. The intensity has to be very much appropriate. Well, you're gonna get a lot of that too with back and rowing exercises. You are, but you know, what Justin's saying is like, your body will literally heal in a new way, in a new shape, in new movement. And when I said six months, I mean six months to get back to where they were before. We're training as soon as they're clear. As soon as they're clear, I'm handing them five pound dumbbells and we're just working through range of motion. We're just getting them comfortable with that range of motion. In about six months, they're pressing heavy. They're working out and feel nothing at all. And that's average, right? That's average. Some people a little faster, some people a little slower. But yeah, if you're fit beforehand, typically any surgery, you just tend to heal. You have more muscle to lose. You're not gonna be in such a bad position because you're not moving. Yeah, I think of our mobility drill that we do in Prime Pro, which is the, you know, when she can. Like at this point, I don't know where, I didn't remember where she said she was at in the recovery process. But I love like handcuffs with rotation or Justin's wall circles. You do that and she's gonna be in a really good position. So to me, I'm focusing more on that than I'm worried about a chest press or a chest fly right now. You keeping good shoulder mobility and the ability to retract and depress is gonna be the biggest key, I think. Our next caller is Ryan from West Virginia. Hey, what's up Ryan? How can we help you? Hey, I was wondering what you guys thought about the sequencing of training, ordering hypertrophy first and then strength followed up by power. Okay, so you're asking about phasing your training and that's actually a really good question because phasing's important and the order of the phases actually makes a difference. Now for people who aren't familiar with the terms that you use, right? So hypertrophy, meaning muscle size and growth, typically straight sets, typically the rep ranges are anywhere between eight to maybe 15 reps, typically. Strength would be more of the low end, kind of low gear type strength, lower reps, longer rest periods, so like one to five reps. Power is lighter weight, lots of speed with your movement. So Olympic lifts would be a good example of that but you could also do box jumps and kettlebell exercises to accomplish that. So the first two that you named are hypertrophy and strength. Those are actually interchangeable in the sense that it doesn't matter which one you start with. I would make an argument for both. Yeah, and I would pick the one that is least like what you're doing now. So in other words, if you're currently training in a hypertrophy style, then I would start with strength. If you're currently training in strength, like a powerlifter, then I would start with hypertrophy. The next one should be either strength or hypertrophy. So those are the two that you start with. Power usually lasts. And the reason for power being last, it's the most technical. You're gonna need strength, you're gonna need hypertrophy, you're gonna need the stability to perform that. It's the most advanced and most technical of the phases. I would very rarely would ever have someone train power with speed power, especially before moving to the others unless they're super experienced advanced. You would never do that. No coach would ever have power. Even if you were advanced, you still would lay some foundation first before you express that. I mean, that's like in every certification you'll ever go through, and they teach that in any schooling around kinesiology. So you always want power less, but I mean, I'm just gonna piggyback on what Sal's saying. I don't have anything really more to add and contribute other than, I would have fun with changing the other ones up. Power is the only one that's really important that you lay a solid foundation of strength and stability before you express that, right? So that's the idea. And then I guess the next thing you could add is about how long you plan to stay in those. I wouldn't stay in any phase longer than six weeks and I would go as long or as no shorter than three weeks somewhere in that range, which is very similar to any of our maps programming. Are you following any maps or have you followed maps, Ryan? I have not yet. That's why I was kind of wondering with your map performance if you guys phase it sort of in that order like that. Yeah, that's the perfect one for you. If you're looking for those types of phases, maps performance would be ideal. Now performance starts with more of a strength phase but it moves through them. You do go through hypertrophy and you do have other phases and it does end with the explosive movements. We'll make sure to send that to you since you don't have that. And it's all set up and ordered up for you. So you'll just follow the program. Awesome, thank you. All right, no problem. Yeah, you know, I like questions like this because I think people are, it may be this is just our own bias our listeners. People are starting to realize the importance of the programming, right? It's not just exercises, it's not just body parts, but- The order of operation. The order of operation, the intensity, the reps, the intent, like there's, I could literally list an almost infinite number of variables that make a big difference. Like they make a huge difference, you know? When people's bodies stop responding, it's like they don't look at their programming anymore. It's like what supplement can I take? What have you been doing? Where do you fit into all of that? Like how do I structure something that will actually promote change within what I've already been trying to accomplish? I think too with these two, like the first one, we're talking about hypertrophy versus strength. And as a trainer, bringing somebody new in, I would evaluate that too based on somebody, I could see value in just like maybe hypertrophy being that we're building more of a mind-muscle connection. Maybe there's something, there's a disconnect there. And I think it's a great way to address that versus like just jumping right to strength or if somebody is lacking strength in certain areas we can hyper-focus on that. So it just, again, it depends on the individual. So I like these questions and I don't like these questions. The reason why I don't like the question, I like the question for the same reason you guys do, but the reason why I don't like the question is because it loses a lot of people. You guys gotta remember sometimes, we're in our own little bubble here. Totally. We're talking about terms like power, hypertrophy, like this means nothing to the average person who's trying to get into working out or even phasing. Like what the fuck does that mean to them? And so I think it's important that we... Phaser beans. Yeah, I think it's important that we kind of unpack this a little more than just giving this, because the guy asking the question obviously has a pretty solid base knowledge. He's trying to write his own program basically and is asking a very good question and already is ordering it in a pretty good way. So obviously knows what the hell he's talking about. That's why I tried to open with like, what does hypertrophy mean? What does strength mean? What does power mean? Obviously if you haven't got it by now, phasing is just essentially the period of time that you're focusing on one of those specific goals. And like Adam said, it's usually a three to six week period. So three to six weeks, you're focused on strength. So you're doing reps between one to five. You're doing longer rest periods. The next three to six weeks could be hypertrophy. Maybe a little shorter rest periods. The reps are higher, eight to 15. And then power is kind of a combination of the two. You're doing fast exercises, lighter weight, it's not about going to failure at all. You're actually in fact, you don't even want to go to fatigue. And the rest periods might even be longer than you did with strength. And again, that's another three to six weeks. And again, that's the most complicated phase. So if you're new, I wouldn't even worry about power at all. Don't worry about power at all unless you have something laid out in front of you that really breaks it down for you. But just focus on strength and hypertrophy. Yeah, I rarely train clients in power. The two clients I saw or the type of client I should say that I would train in power is either one, somebody who I had for like a really long time and like we were just, we're getting fun with our programming. I've taken them through so many like strength and hypertrophy cycles. And it's like, hey, let's, you know, even though you didn't come to me with this goal of like how powerful or strong can I be? Let's see how well we can express this. You've been training with me now for almost a year and we've gone through all these different phases. And so we might have fun with it like that. Or someone very specific who is like playing a sport or needs that power. And that's why they came to me. So that is the only time I really trained the average person in the phase like that. For the most part, it's most valuable, I think for, you know, your athletes that are looking for that. Or someone who's been lifting long enough and has got really good control and they are now looking, oh, let's see, test some limits and see how I can express that. Yeah, you know what's funny? DeFranco made the case for the average person to sprinkle in power. But I think when most people think power, they think like jumping up high on a box and doing a clean. No, it's just moving quickly. And I think that's where he was alluding to it. That's where the value I see for your average person, but it looks different than what you would think if you're programming it for fitness. So it's, you know, doing things like just a press but having your tempo change, right? So we're just moving, we're moving quicker. And I think that that's massively valuable, especially with rotational stuff, because it emulates a lot of real world type things. You start real basic, super basic. And you don't go there until you've done, because let's be, okay, let's take 100% Yeah, you add speed to any exercise, you just made it way better. I mean, how many months did you spend with the average client who comes in who has like no strength or hypertrophy experience whatsoever? How long do you spend with him? Like a whole year. Yeah, you're training, and that's what I meant was like, you know, once I got to a place where like, okay, this client, I can tell her do a chest press, she can get her shoulders in the right position, she can activate it. I can tell her slow your tempo down, she does it automatically. Like on cue, I can do that. Okay, now that client, we're ready to express this, and let's see, let's have some fun with it with some speed. Until then, I ain't messing with that. Oh, to give you an example, I had an older client that I trained for a long time, and then we got to this point, and literally the first exercise we did was, she didn't jump on anything, she just jumped in place. I just had her literally jump in place and land, and then we'd rest and then practice it, just to give her the coordination and skill in case she steps off a curb, or she needs to move a little quicker. Our next caller is Aria from Mexico. Hey, Aria, how can we help you? Hi, so I am a gardener. I live in a community where we do a lot of work outside, gardening, landscaping, farming, and I started lifting weights in January after a seven year pause from training. I used to cycle a lot before that, and mid-February, I started Maps Anabolic, and I felt great, because I wasn't doing anything outside, I was just working out. And now that gardening season started, I am spending like over five hours outside, weeding, like bending over in the ground and shoveling stuff and lifting heavy things. So my lower back feels sore and I have had a hard time squatting and like seeing gains in that side. Now I'm on the third phase of Anabolic and my upper body feels great, I feel stronger, I feel better, my metabolism is better, but just my squat and my deadlift is all right, but my squat is, I had to lower my weight a lot, the amount of weight that I lift, so I was able to do the other stuff that I do. So I still have this goal of getting stronger, move better, and I was gonna start Maps Anabolic again, so I wonder if you guys can help me give me advice on how to face my workouts better or organize them better, or if maybe there's a program that I can do instead of Anabolic to support my lifestyle. Performance, yeah. Mass performance would be good, but I'm gonna go a little, and we'll get back to that, but I'm gonna go a little bit deeper with this. So, and I've heard this from many people in different ways, I've heard people say things like, I just had a baby, I don't have a lot of sleep, so my recovery is off, how do I change my workouts? I've heard people say, I just got a new construction job, or there's some kind of life challenge that is now adding to the stress that's on their body, and so their current workout now is too much. And in every single case, my answer is the same, modify the intensity and the volume of your workout, okay? So if you're finding that what you're doing now in your workouts might be too much, if your low back is too tired, too sore, reduce the intensity, go lighter, and the third option would be to change the exercises. So, squats tend to require a lot of low back stability and strength, you can try moving to a split stance exercises like lunges or split stance squats, or Bulgarian split stance squats that tend to put less pressure on the low back, but at the end of the day, you modify your workout to meet your lifestyle, because obviously this is something you can't change, this is your livelihood, so this work takes a bit of a priority, but then change your workout, it might even mean that you do less workouts. Now, are you gonna get less results? Not necessarily, your work is a lot of activity. If anything, it might be a great combination and you might actually see better results. I'm gonna push you in the direction of performance, and the reason why is because I've actually had clients in this exact type of a situation, and what tends to happen all the time, okay, so especially MAPs and a bulk, MAPs and a bulk is incredible at speeding your metabolism up, building good strength, but a lot of that strength is in the sagittal plane, you're facing the same direction all the time and you get your really strong in that one direction. When you're gardening, you tend to be hinging over, rotating to the left, rotating to the right, kind of sideways sometimes, and there's not a lot of that focused in MAPs and a bulk, where MAPs performance, most of that is focused. Sal pointed out unilateral work, well, that's inside MAPs performance. Rotational strength, that's in MAPs performance, and also mobility, right? So another thing that causes the low back to tighten up, somebody has to bend over to be down gardening when they can't really get all the way down and squat because they don't have the hip or ankle mobility to squat and do the work down there. The stuff that's in MAPs performance around mobility is also going to help you there. And then where I totally agree with Sal is that you for now should back off the intensity. If the work inside the garden is fatiguing the back, and then you go into MAPs anabolic and lifting heavy is really getting you, I would definitely agree with him, but I definitely would put some energy and focus on mobility and rotational strength. Yeah, I wanted to, yeah, totally echo both in terms of like what your focus could be now, because it is a lot of volume that you're noticing with like demand for stability in your lower back. And so first thing is we can kind of pull back from that a little bit, but also reinforce a lot of the stabilizing muscles to support yourself in those positions. And so like MAPs performance is a great job of that of addressing a lot of mobility and bringing it down to like the joint function and the strength and support around the joints, which I think will be massively beneficial and felt. So to reduce the load and the demands like stressing out your lower back on some level, but strengthening and supporting it and building up your core strength is gonna be a big component. Aria, we're gonna send you MAPs performance so you can follow that program, but also pay attention because it still may be too much intensity and volume. There are three foundational workouts and MAPs performance. There's nothing wrong with only taking two of those workouts and not doing the third one. And you can pick which one you wanna do to reduce the intensity. So if you follow the program and you still find you're having issues with recovery, just reduce the volume to the point where it starts to compliment your lifestyle. Awesome, thank you so much you guys. Yeah, I have been doing only two days a week of MAPs on the ball because I couldn't, otherwise I felt the symptoms of overtraining. I couldn't sleep or I was just completely exhausted. So that's what I've been doing and also changed the trigger sessions for mobility work. Oh good, very smart. Do you take creatine by any chance? I don't. Give it a shot, see what happens. That should help you with some of your strength and even recovery. Creatine's a very safe and effective supplement for most people. They'll get some great returns from taking that. And I recommend this to you because it sounds like you're following good programming and you got a good head on your shoulders. Of course supplements can't. They're not gonna be more important than nutrition and training. But creatine should help you out in this case. That's a great point. I didn't even think about asking you nutrition stuff is I would also pay attention to your protein intake. Do you track at all how much protein you intake daily? I don't track, but I used to be vegan and that stuff. So now I'm just focused on eating meat at least four times a week and having a supplement with protein powder. Yeah, I would actually. I feel like I'm low. Yeah, I would track for a week or so because that could be, I mean, that could have something to do with your recovery also. So if you are not getting adequate protein in for your weight and your size and your activity level, that could also be what's hindering your recovery. So take a look at that. Maybe spend a week and just eat normal and track it and see what you're coming in at. And if it's significantly lower than what your body needs, then that could have a lot to do with your recovery. Yeah, good point. Awesome. All right, thank you. Thank you guys. No problem. That was great that you went the creatine thing because I actually didn't even don on me to ask her, which I know better because, you know, almost every female client that I trained almost always under eight protein. And if you're coming off of being a vegan, never eating meat and she's just Yeah, four times a week. Yeah, four times a week. Four times a day you should probably be eating protein. I tell you what though, you know, it's funny when you, when you talk about having a demanding job and then you're training on top of it. And at first it's really hard. I'll tell you what, I've trained a lot of blue collar workers. The body has a tremendous ability, and it takes time, but it has a tremendous ability to adapt to workload. And over time, you know, look, I tell you what, when I would go and work with my dad in the summers, because it was in the summer and during the rest of the year I wasn't helping him, I was sore and it sucked for like a month. And then as soon as my body started to adapt, I had to go back to school. I mean, these guys doing it all the time, like, you know, it doesn't, I mean, yeah, they get tired, but it doesn't break them down like it does when you don't do it often. So, you know, slowly over time, even five hours of gardening, your body starts to get to the point where it doesn't really cause much problem. Well, especially when you're doing it correctly and you're supported, right? So that's why I liked the whole performance and the angle that Justin was talking about is like supporting the joints, because that's where I would get like chronic pain from clients is if you're like, you know, they're fatigued and tired and so they're like rounded over doing things versus like in a good deep squat, it's supported position while you're gardening. They're resting position. And I think too, like again, like I don't know how long she can hold a squatter if it feels like, you know, it's a position she's comfortable and can rest and that versus, you know, reaching over the whole time. That would be something to definitely address. Our next caller is Parker from Oklahoma. Hey Parker, how can we help you? Hey, what's going on? Not much, man. I'm good. So I've been strength training for about three years now and I built up a pretty good strength base, but I've been working on losing some weight lately and this strength base has brought up some mobility issues and I'm working on Prime Pro and I'm running strong to preserve that strength while I'm losing weight. And I'm wondering if I can run strong and Prime Pro at the same time and reap both benefits. Oh yeah, Prime Pro is designed to be run with any program or no program. It's a correctional exercise-based program. So the mobility movements and the connection movements and the correctional exercise movements in Prime Pro, you do those throughout the day and you can use them as priming movements as well, but do them throughout the day and then follow map strong and adjust the volume and intensity of the correctional exercises if you feel like you're overdoing it, but it's designed to be done with anything or nothing. It's not a workout program per se. It's more of a correctional- I guess it depends though on how much, like it depends on how much effort you want to put towards mobility, right? Cause I would even consider, if mobility is a really big focus for you, which like it was for me not that long ago, I would probably cut back or eliminate the work sessions on strong and replace that with like an all mobility day. That's what I've been doing. Okay, yeah, I love that because the foundational days in strong themselves is great programming. You're gonna get great results from that. You're gonna retain plenty of muscle and still probably get stronger running that program like that. And then instead of the work sessions, I would actually go and I would agree with Sal too though. I would still be trying to do, like I would have those two or three days a week that are pure, you know, 40 minutes to an hour of all mobility type work. And then I would probably pick one or two mobility drills that are making the greatest impact on my primers. Right, as you're a primer and you're doing that every day. So like, we will use me as an example, like I was working on all my mobility, but my, you know, combat stretch and my 90, 90 where those were my like go-to moves that I was doing like every day, multiple times a day and always before I did any workout. And then I tried to have a couple days in the week where it was like just a full dedication towards mobility with whatever program it was. Yeah, the beauty of prime pros, it helps to kind of really isolate and see like the grossest offender. So you can, you can see, is it the ankles that really need the most work? Is it the shoulders, you know, where in my body, you know, can I really hyper focus and see the most return from? And when you get through that, like to both their points is like, this is where now you want to figure out how to add that ritual almost every day. And so maybe it's less because you're putting more demand on your body in these foundational workouts. But then, you know, in the following day, you look at it more as a recovery. And so you're going to do a bit more in terms of like movement and also like adding more stability around the joints. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That's what I've been doing. And I felt good if I feel more mobile, me and my mom have both been running prime pro and we both feel way better just after one week. Oh yeah, that's great, man. Well, thanks for calling. Yep, thank you guys. Yeah, I think the key to remember with any goal is if you're focused on more than one goal and you're training, you're going to get each of them slower. So if I'm trying to get strong and mobile, I'll get some strength and I'll get some mobility. If I want to get a lot of mobility, then I got to focus just on that. A lot of strength is focused on that. You can do it, but yeah, you're right. It's specificity always applies. And so if like your focus is really like on accomplishing two, and those are two, I mean, they're not the same goal. So you're going to get into that conundrum where it is going to kind of draw out your success. Although they both can be pursued at the same time, they are a bit conflicting. And a lot of that is the psychological piece is that, and I remember battling with this, also wanting to still be buff and strong, but then knowing like, okay, I really need to address mobility. And I actually, I had to let go of that. I had to kind of let go of like the inevitable. I'm probably going to lose a little bit of muscle. I need to stop worrying about being so strong or being so buff if I really, really want to get mobile. And so that became more of the foundation, right? So even though I told him to change the work sessions, I actually, the way I was going into weeks is like my most important days were those three mobility days. And then all I'm going to add some strength training in there too, so I don't completely like atrophy and disappear. But even with the strength training, it's mobility focus. Right, range of motion. Yeah, I'm challenging range of motion and stuff like that. I'm not trying to push the most weight I possibly can. I know you said conflicting and I do want to make sure that I clarify, better mobility done properly will eventually make you stronger, faster and give you better strength gains as well. So we don't mean conflicting in the sense that if you build one, then you lose the other one forever. They're complementary. They're very complementary. I think a better way for me to say it is they're conflicting psychologically, right? Because when you go into- The intent is different. That's right. When you go into a quote unquote strength based program, your goal is to get stronger and add more weight. And you're lifting differently. And you're lifting different. It is, you are lifting to lift the most weight, which doesn't always mean the fullest range of motion or the best form and technique. That's right. And so it's the psychological piece that is conflicting. It's like, not exactly. It's not, and I know I would get some shit for that, right? Oh, that's not true at all. If you get a greater range of motion, you can build more muscle. Yes, we would agree with that. But what happens is, if you are really trying to get strong and you're really trying to get mobile, you end up, you hit this crossroad at one point where it's like, oh, I'm doing bench today and I feel really good and strong and you want to hit to your max. Yeah, I'm supposed to do 90% of, you know, in low reps or whatever it was like, but I got to work on my mobility. That's right. That's right. Our next caller is Bailey from Texas. Hey, Bailey, how can we help you? Hey guys, first want to say thank you for everything you guys do. I transitioned from endurance training to resistance and podcasts have been super helpful. So thanks for everything. Boom! We did it. Thanks. I recently bought the Summer Bundle and starting the aesthetics program. So my question is, there's a lot of rest periods between sets and just a lot of time in the gym, which I get, but wondering if it will hinder my progress if I cut some of the time down, maybe in half or super set different muscle groups. Yeah, yeah, it will. So the rest periods- Especially by the way, somebody like you who was an endurance person before. I know this must be, it must be super hard, right? Cause you're used to that kind of training, that kind of fatigue. Go, go, go. And you know, I would train clients like you a lot and they would hate sitting there resting. Why do I gotta rest? I feel like I could do more. The rest period is part of the programming that is pushing the right type of adaptation. Now super sets themselves aren't necessarily bad. Neither are shorter rest periods, but there's a time and a place. And you'll find those in the third phase of Maps Aesthetic. You're gonna get all the super sets and short rest periods you could ever desire in phase three. But when you're in phase one and phase two, follow the program. Now if you wanna cut the short, the rest periods a little bit, that's fine. So if it says two minutes or three minutes and you wanna do it in a minute and a half or whatever, okay, but I would not go shorter than one minute. One minute is the shortest rest period that I would have anybody take if they're trying to build their metabolism, build strength, you know, sculpt their body. Especially those first two phases. Otherwise we're getting into aerobics. I mean, you're flirting with that. And somebody who already has a background like you do in endurance, you're already got that adaptation really well. So you wanna go the complete opposite. In fact, I would even, before I would let you take 15 seconds off or whatever, I would actually rather see you drop an exercise. I don't know what program we're talking about, aesthetic or anything. Yeah, maybe there's shrugs or calf raises in there that I would allow, I'd rather see you drop that off and stick. To make the workout shorter. Yeah, to make the work, like if it was a time thing, right? So if a client came to me and said, Adam, this thing is taking me an hour and 20 minutes if I follow the rest periods the way it is. And I just don't have that time. I need to get done by an hour or whatever. Can I speed it up? And I would say, no, I don't want you to speed it up. I would pick a couple of exercises that maybe that person needs less of and I would drop them off or drop a couple sets off of a couple of exercises to save that bit. The rest periods are important to the adaptation that we're trying to achieve, like Sal said. Okay, cool. That makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it. Awesome and congratulations for the transition. And now what have you noticed real quick from moving from endurance to strength? I'm hungry all the time. You know what? That's actually one of the best signs. That is a direct sign that your metabolism is kicking in and that your hormones are probably in a better position. You probably are noticing better sleep, increased libido, and of course the way you look, I'm sure your body's starting to sculpt in shape. For sure, yeah, there's been a big change even just over like two months. Wow, that's awesome. Well, congratulations, great job. Thanks, appreciate all you guys do. No problem. Thank you. Yeah, there's like a few clients I would say that were the hardest to train. Like one would be the ex-athlete who was like hardcore athlete 10 years ago and then they hired me and I'm trying to get them to not beat the crap out of themselves. This is another tough one. The super endurance fanatic that goes in strength training. They just can't. They can easily turn everything into endurance. Yes. Yeah, it just can get away. And yeah, it's really just pulling them back on their own tendencies and, you know, likes because it is, it's one of those like things that's just, it's hardwired at a certain point if that's like what you really enjoy the most out of working out. So it's your job as a coach to really kind of keep presenting the value of rest periods and how the intent of that and why that's like appropriate in order to get your body to change the way you want. Yeah, you know what skill came in handy? Well, I had to develop training these types of people was conversation skills because I would literally, we're gonna rest between sets. So I'm gonna, we're gonna have a great conversation. You gotta like keep them entertained, right? Yes, like just resting is like, it was like torture. I actually, I would, I used to stop watch this client. I mean, this is the aerobics group X client, the client that love classes and that like high energy keep it moving type of training. And then they came to me and then we're doing a strength training phase. It's like, I would literally be like, you cannot go to the next set until this. And if they, and the thing you have to be ready for as a trainer, when you hear back is like, oh, it's too easy. Okay, well then let's increase the load them because that is the idea of what we're trying to do right now. And they will continue to want to start earlier because they've just been training that way for so long. Totally. Look, if you like what you hear here on the podcast, you'll love our free information. Go to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides on fat loss, muscle building, and more. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on social media. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam.