 really is a unique piece of the VMware culture where the tech guys get together and they just geek out for a couple of days and you know to be to be awarded best the radio it's like oh man you're a god right it's like the Sundance Film Festival like you said I think culture is something that happens over time and it's preserved over time and it's preserved through people it's not like anything you can write down right of course you can write it down but it won't be what the paper is turned on unless it's practiced every day by the people 100% renewable energy to carbon neutrality to do our fair share but also to help shift the market because it is about the future is about not only the applications and the the problems that technology can help solve but it's also about the nature of energy and the energy the grid mix the energy in the room is just phenomenal if people are there who are really passionate about talking about their work and there's people out there wondering and you meet new people in fact for me in my role what I enjoy the most is of course getting to hear what these guys are doing but also helping them make connections