 There are a lot of candy dishes were full this morning, you know, you'd think that even Listening to this right now. We're like, what would which neighborhood was that again? Where where's the free candy that's still in there? How do I don't worry? It has now been in the sun way too long You know, what's interesting is I've noticed a you know a shift in a lot of the candy and it's I Remember Halloween being the one time a year where you would get all the really interesting candies. You would get like the little Pixie sticks, you know sugar in a straw You get like the weird taffies the water or salt water taffies now. It's just all like the little fun-sized Candy bars Mars bars Snickers Twix Reese's on size How how? Offensive fun size meaning a third of the size. I'm glad there's no baby Ruth in her bucket Hey, that's one candy. I can live without baby. I love baby Ruth, which is odd because I love paydays I don't like baby Ruth. Baby Ruth is great. We always got a toothbrush in our bag when I was a kid No, no in our bag in the bag The bag that you would take around from door to door. I know but like who was the guy giving your gal no idea I Was aggressive never really paid attention to what they were giving us it was always we were looking at them so We get back home and we'd be like wait, which one of them was the toothbrush hold on Do you go to one with the toothbrush the other gives you a little See like what the heck? No, as if you got an apple because it would like it would really Need the fruit ones are always kind of like oh, thanks for the little tangerine My parents and probably for a good reason there was always the because the people Hiding razor blades in candy was going around and so it was always like okay when you come back with your loot We're gonna go through everything Razor blades in your chocolate and then you can eat it weirdly my chocolate always sort of like disappeared Sort of like well, you know, we had to be safe I take this one for razor blades I mean have any of those actually ever not been a prank or just kind of an urban legend Sort of meaningless have any of them ever been just like I mean Like have they have that has it actually been like a Have there been any It was always framed around, you know We want to keep you safe and then I was like where's all my candy and they were like no We had to throw it all away razor blades the only one I can think of Yeah, is the is the needle some jerk was putting needles and strawberries Even then like it didn't it not that it's good But it the the number of people it affected and the number of times it happened is very low My my parents would go check all the candy and I'm like, you know Personally every single person whose house I went to tonight You know them like it's that small of a town, I don't know one of them might have flipped and Yeah, they might be you know putting opiates and my kids candy Mrs. Knight Oh, you take care of the cafeteria and teach catechism, but you might be putting opiates in my Yeah, and we won't have it Funny how that became the thing this year in a world of increasingly legal Weed and stuff like that the the the panic this year was People are going to be giving weed Candies Because you know because people love to give away something that costs money Yeah, number one at least it's more feasible than the razor blades in my opinion at the very least like there is Look like regular candy, but I mean not at these prices Janice You know, I heard is they're gonna be given away that that candy that has alcohol in it. Oh cordials I About flasks for Halloween trick-or-treat. All right. Yeah Start us off in 30 seconds you got it You know it Preparing Bring yourselves online 15 seconds And I will begin the thank yous. It's patreon day. Thank you to everybody's supports on patreon You guys rock. All right. Here we go five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Thursday November 1st all Saints Day 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Matt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland, California I'm Justin Robert young and I am Roger Chang producer and Halloween dad Halloween dad I was exhausted, but the The houses were very well decorated. Nice. Nice. Sounds like a overall a healthy As far as a workout goes and enjoyable Halloween All right, let's get right into the tech news with a few tech things you should know Security researcher Jose Rodriguez discovered a bug in iOS 12.1 Which of course was just released on Tuesday that exploits group paid time calls allowing anyone to access an iPhone's contact information Without needing a passcode so Rodriguez found this by selecting the FaceTime icon adding a person selecting the plus icon and then scrolling through contacts using 3d touch to provide contact information like email addresses and Phone numbers now a hacker would need physical access to a phone to exploit this which limits the exploits power Obviously, but contact information from the victims network could play into phishing schemes and the like Yeah, Twitter is testing a home screen button on iOS that lets users switch from an algorithmic timeline To the former reverse chronological feed that only shows people they follow This option existed within Twitter's iOS settings But the test makes toggling between top tweets view and latest tweets view much easier Finally doing something we want Microsoft's Twitch competitor mixer has some updates calling it season two of the software Releasing over the coming week skills for audience members to interact with game streams Sparks patronage that works as currency within mixer mixer embers a new virtual currency that audience members can purchase with actual Currency and progression starting next year mixer will gamify the audience portion of streaming Trying to get fans to use skills earned props from other audience members and just generally participate more Let's talk a little bit more about a rumored acquisition Mmm sources tell Financial Times that Apple has held talks with iHeart media to take a stake in the US radio company But that the potential deal is still in the preliminary stages and maybe a multi-million dollar marketing partnership rather than a direct investment iHeart media filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in March Tom Let me ask you this let's play a little game of where did this story come from? Yeah Yeah, well, it's certainly not Apple Apple doesn't benefit nor Apple doesn't leak usually unlike a lot of companies and Or on purpose leak I should say I mean they leak like a sieve in other ways But but they don't do the we want you to know necessarily a lot iHeart radio on the other hand going through chapter 11 bankruptcy Gets a lot of benefit out of the idea that Apple might sink some money in any way in it Look iHeart media is a very interesting Play for them in that what Apple wants with Apple music is connections It's why Jimmy I've been was such a perfect person to launch that service iHeart media has a tremendous if you don't know what iHeart media is they have partnerships with all the major radio broadcasters yes all five of them and They they wield tremendous influence for their concerts and stuff like that They are the digital face for radio, which of course means it's kind of crippled and not really as good as it could be but If Apple takes it over or Apple makes a deal with them They get what they want which is access to major artists and more of an ability to get exclusive content. I kind of Intrigued by the idea of Apple acquiring iHeart media and then suddenly all these iHeart radio stations Become Apple radio stations, right? I mean that sounds very Apple like I could imagine Apple music powering radio stations It's why they started beats one because they love that idea of personality driven radio beats one suddenly could be carried in Small parts on a bunch of different radio stations around the country That that's a question because do they want beat does beats one want to grow out of the exclusivity of Apple music or do they want to keep that there? What about their exclusive? shows I mean Making news One takes over radio stations. So let me be clear I was I was thinking of these these sort of situations where you have a beats one radio hour on the current iHeart radio partners and That just pushes people to the full beats one product. Okay, so so you have like Zane low who is there? Yeah, the number one guy who does Interviews with every major artist and so when he sits down with Drake Now all of a sudden right you get it on ninety two point three as well as the app. Yeah So yeah, the reaches is quite greater. I think that's actually a really good idea. I Think it's intriguing I also think it's probably gonna be as fruitful of a rumor as the one where Apple was thinking of buying Time Warner media Which they explored and didn't do I have a feeling they'll explore this and go yep, that's a dying Company, no, we would rather not but we're sure we'll market I would fully expect a marketing partnership to come out of this I think a marketing partnership The other thing that iHeart media does and this might be more of an acu hire of You guys have the connections that can have us spread into traditional radio if that's the way that we want to go Because there are kind of a lot like hulu where before hulu started making a name for themselves with their original content their biggest point of Value or as it continues to be is that they had financial and creative relationships with the networks that supply the hit shows And unlike Warner, uh, this is a much cheaper acquisition. So apple, you know has still has a pile of cash sitting around as far as I could tell Well, here's some news that came directly from the company itself sonos announced It's delay in support for google assistant until 2019 on the sonos one After saying last october that was 2017 that google assistant would be supported by 2018 And a blog post sonos says it needs more time to get the experience right It's making progress and we'll try to lock down a date in early 2019 This this strikes close to home I know because you you have the sonos and you use amazon voice services on it But I know you've been intrigued by the idea of using google assistant That was the whole idea of this is that it was not platform agnostic Or it was platform agnostic. Yeah Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I don't know it's it's it's I I kind of I don't know a few months ago. I was like, I guess that whole google assistant thing is just not happening It's nice to hear sonos saying listen. We're not meeting the expectation. We need more time We're going to don't worry about it We're trying to be as transparent as possible appreciate that still sort of a bummer for somebody who Spent more money on a speaker that was that was um, you know, it was it wasn't an amazon or a google product It was something else that was but that's their brand, right? And so they would rather their gamble is let's not release something that's bad You're paying more in an increasingly commoditized market when amazon is literally putting out a microwave with some of this functionality You expect something more better sound Better recognition Right platform. So they want to get it right. I think this is good for their brand But also sonos is the kind of company that waited probably about a year too long to get into some of this voice assistant kind of stuff So, uh, we will we will we will see exactly how long it takes for them to get it right I suspect too and this may be entirely off base But I suspect google is a harder partner to work with than amazon amazon voice services seems to make it into pretty much anything it wants to be in Google this is not the only company that's saying Yeah, we want to bring google assistant and it'll happen, but it's not yet I think google has a lot more restrictions on what you can do with the data because that's where google makes all of its money amazon just wants to direct someone into their retail channel Otherwise they could they can be flexible google wants to own all the data The of the of the person who does this so they can sell them advertising And uh sonos may be a little uncomfortable with the aspects of of that part of the situation. I don't know Tell you what that would be a really really really good story Free lead to all the freelance Listening right now that I think like that that element of the voice wars is fascinating because to me It could dictate whether or not google assistant no matter how good of a product It is if it's ever going to be able to catch up to the scale of amazon Alexa And I've seen some articles around that topic so I wouldn't be surprised if someone's digging into that to update it right now flicker Man, it feels like doing buzz out loud again. I'm talking about flicker Flickr announced it will no longer require users to sign in with the yahoo account credentials starting in january Those with free accounts. However, we'll also no longer get a terabyte of free storage Instead being limited to one thousand photos Pro users on the other hand who only could get a terabyte of storage, but they got other perks now for their 50 dollars a year Get unlimited storage flicker became a part of verizon back in 2017 when verizon bought yahoo Remember yahoo owned flicker But smug mug bought flicker from Verizon or rather from oath the combination of yahoo and aol back in april So this is kind of the first big revision of flickers and smug mug took it over I have been a flicker user since well before yahoo bought flicker And I've paid for flicker pro Even though I don't really use it anymore and I don't really know anybody else who's who's using it But it has worked really well as a photo repository with with um, you know, full The full file sizes, right the one terabyte of storage For for free even though I was paying was really advantageous And I actually recommended it to people all the time like I don't know just get a yahoo account And I mean it's a really good photo storage So the fact that they're dialing back on that does not surprise me the fact that you don't need a yahoo login anymore is great Because I you know I had a yahoo account but that was literally the only reason that I used it was to sign in to flicker and I Don't know. I mean if you pay $50 a year for unlimited storage That's that I mean we're we're used to the subscription models now That is if it's truly unlimited and you take a lot of photos and they take up a lot of space That might be a good deal to you. I just don't know how many people who didn't already exist in the flicker ecosystem In in you know the last gosh, I don't know 10 years 12 years Would be swayed to do this with all the other options that they have with cloud storage Well, one of the things bug bug said in their press release around this is they're trying to Divert people from using them as storage for photos and Community aspect well, okay, but I mean you're offering people like crazy storage So That's what you're using to draw them in before it was a free terabyte right And so people would just dump their photos because they're like I don't even have a terabyte of photos Now they're saying look if you pay you'll get unlimited because we want people who actually want to put their money down Not just use of this as free storage well, but Okay, I mean, okay Community tweets who's talking to you on flicker anymore. Well, that's what they want to start back up again They want to make it It's back in pog form I think it's a very tall order Um when you're asking somebody to plunk down $50 a year I don't know if in are as we Mythologize our history as every generation does if there will be a story of a more beloved yet abused brand Then flicker flicker to this day like why we're even still covering it is kind of amazing considering Or it's bounced around from its It's got a huge amount of active users, too I mean mind like instagram, but oh hundred million people use it I know it is it is culture. It is a cultural touchstone. Uh, it is it is amazing Uh, how much it has retained while it is very obviously just bounce ping-ponged around the internet owner to owner What's apps vice president chris daniel said wednesday that the company will start putting advertising in its status feature sometime next year What's apps status feature lets users share ephemeral text photos videos and gifts The advertisement would be reportedly powered by facebook's native advertising system What's app has more than 1.5 billion users and has never been ad supported before I'm shocked shocked That what's up a free app with all of those billions of users Would start to introduce advertising Yeah, and this is why the founders left, uh, they remember what's app you used to have to pay for it Yep paid 99 cents or something right? Uh, it was not much Uh, but it was it was it was the ethos was we aren't ad supported that ethos finally has changed with the departure of the founders And the pressure of facebook in a way that isn't sticking advertising in your messages It's their sort of snapchat like feature. Um, but yeah sarah i'm with you i'm i'm not shocked They were purchased by an advertising company Makes money because they sell advertising and and look you can sell The the oh, but we're a company that's you know, we really want to just Understand communication and we want to safeguard these companies to grow as they will and that lasted about as long as I mean, I think i'm shocked that we say I like it, but i'm not surprised at all No, no, no. I'm surprised that they held out this long. You know What's up has been gigantic for a very very long time on the other hand adds in the status Not the worst thing they could do right Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a feature of what's up. I don't currently use I use what's up with certain friends usually that uh, don't live in the united states Um, because the usage, um in certain markets is is big and I want to talk to those folks Um, but now yeah, the the the whole sort of activity status part of it is I mean, it's very facebook. Okay. You got that in instagram now You have that on facebook already and have for a while. What's up? I'm not a big surprise They're all facebook properties. All right moving on to google now Google will require users to enable javascript when logging in Google uses javascript to run a risk assessment and says 0.1 of its users run with javascript turned off This will disproportionately impact bots which run through headline browsers with javascript turned off for performance reasons Google will also use data from play protect to list harmful apps in the security checkup section and prompt them to uninstall them The company will also notify you whenever you share any data from your google account Not just gmail or contacts the account in general And google will begin walking people through securing their account if potentially unauthorized activity is detected So going going in reverse order from the most recent one that you mentioned I love this idea that if you've been hacked, uh, they're going to walk you through security like do you have financial data? Do you have you know, what about this third party app? Let's walk you through all this stuff They're adding more things to the security checkup section to help you say like hey This app is listed as harmful. Are you sure you want this? Maybe you should These third party services have access. Did you realize that we're not just talking about gmail anymore? We're talking about any access. This is all good till you get to the javascript part And I know i'm probably being unreasonable because 0.1 of users have javascript turned off But i'm still in the mindset that turning javascript off is a good security practice to protect yourself from getting hacked and the idea that you have to have javascript on to run a security check just Rubs me the wrong way even though rationally I know that that is not necessarily a bad thing and that javascript is is no longer as much of a security hole As it used to be there's just something I can't get over there Well, I mean There's very much seems like the the engineer solution to this problem, right? Like these bots are Headless and they and they turn off javascript so they you can run more of them, right? Yeah, and so this is going to keep bots out until the bots start running and browse It is it is just a very interesting kind of solution to that to say like all right Well, what's the one thing that these all all these things have in common javas the javascript's turned off All right. Well, you gotta have javascript turned on although that's not the only reason the javascript Running on is because they do other checks. They do other behavioral checks as well and I get that I understand that Uh, and if you're running something like no script, you can authorize google and say okay Google can run javascript, but nobody else can and still be pretty secure And if you don't trust google to run javascript, well, then you shouldn't be using google anyway, right? Right. Yeah It's just I don't know. There's just uh That's the I guess I'm just getting old and inflexible But part of me just bristles at using javascript as a security function the kids these days Freedom house issued its annual internet freedom report. We've talked about this in the past 17 of the 65 countries listed in the report have adopted laws restricting online media By the way, estonia topped the list for internet freedom If you want the most internet freedom go to t2 t2's country estonia The u.s Saw a one-point decline in its freedom ranking attributed mostly to the repeal of the open internet guidelines the net neutrality rules As well as the renewal of surveillance authorization Which is the first time that the surveillance authorization could have been changed since the snowden revelations And it was essentially just passed as is with no changes roughly 18 countries increased state surveillance out there 32 countries employed commentators bots and trolls to manipulate opinion And there's good news our media Use social media and communication apps to help its peaceful revolution earlier this year And ethiopia's new prime minister released bloggers from prison and pledged to ease restrictions on online communications. So You know some good news a lot of bad news and and generally Uh, you see in this report freedom house pushing the idea that fear Of fake news and bots and trolls is being used in a lot of countries to justify repressive restrictions on communication Uh including this one We talk a lot about internet access and depending on where you are Yeah, like what are the speeds that you can get? Uh, you know, is your is your government compliant? And and I wonder we you know might have read something like this It's not unlike someone saying well, these are some really good schools in the area Where you might want to buy a home or you might want to move to freedom you might want to move Exactly. Yeah, the internet access is quite good here. It has a walk score of 90% Um, and I I wonder how I mean obviously we all care about this But how much will this turn into something that Is actually a very important factor for the average Uh, I don't know single family pressure. Does it put on governments for change? I think that's That too. Yeah To apply pressure to governments to to push for a more open internet versus i think that the nature of this And what we're seeing here is that the more people are aware of the internet The more people have the internet as part of their daily lives The more we will see restriction And whether or not that restriction is good will be up to the government and the solutions for which that they offer but to me this is The the moments that we are having right now culturally Be it about politics or sports or culture or anything else This is because we have more and more people that now understand the internet to be a part of their daily lives More so than we could have ever imagined when we were But when when tom when you were started that this franchise though so many years ago, right? Like this is a totally new world because we've crossed the threshold We've hit a tipping point and when that happens that means that government there is government viability in Making it better and now whether or not the cure is worse than the disease is up to your political philosophy And and specifically each thing that is put out there, but uh to me I read this and I see The more we know about it the more we want to mitigate it and the more we want to control it Well, and the more affected has on people the more people want to control what effect it has on people Yes, right. I mean even for good Another thing that I thought was interesting in this report was india and shrillanka came under criticism for turning off internet connectivity and and and blocking apps during riots And during conflicts because they said they wanted to control the conflicts and stop the mal malicious actors From communicating and freedom house says maybe that isn't the best way Maybe you also you do more harm than good when you do that and that's up for debate. That's an interesting conversation Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com gives you everything you need to know in brief Time for a brand new segment. I invented an hour ago called quick question I invented this segment when gigamat asked on twitter Can dtns detail this during today's show even just a few minutes? I'm a techie and confused as to what this means He is referring to Recode and vox Announcing that they're partnering up now. I was trying to just answer his twitter a question And ended up taking a lot of notes So i'm just going to answer his question here in front of everyone Recode was bought by vox in 2015 So it is confusing that they're partnering when vox already owns recode But recode has essentially been partnered with the verge which is also owned by vox in fact sharing staff Uh and sharing writers and sharing posts in some cases with recode taking a more business slash opinion slant Kara swisher the founder a co-founder with walt mosburger of recode Announced the partnership saying recode will shift its editorial approach to focus writers on pointed Narratives rather than simply topics or specific companies. So there's an editorial shift as part of this Essentially recode will still be called recode, but it's going to become a section of vox.com Uh, so it's kind of shifting away from the verge and joining vox You can see an example of this sort of thing with ionine They made a big deal about the fact that ionine was merging into gawker If you go to an ionine story, it still looks like you're on ionine But it's essentially a subsection of gawker now Recode will still be a separate business, but it will have a unified newsroom It'll be part of the vox newsroom the partnership with vox is meant to broaden the appeal They intend to invest in more writers more resources more editorial reach with a more ambitious editorial vision And they expect a relaunch of recode.net on vox.com early next year Dan Pomer is leaving as the editor also did Kara swisher is Writing a column for the new york times She started writing that earlier this year and the wall street journal reported that the media holding group was on pace to miss Its revenue target this year by roughly 15 percent. So those are the facts, justin. Yeah, what's your take on this? Advertising you have an advertising division that has to sell advertising and it's way easier When vox.com can go to advertisers and say, how would you like all these page views as opposed to saying? Hi, we're the vox media group We have this site and this site and this site and this site and then g e can say, okay But we want this and this but not this and this. This is the exact same thing that gawker went through It's a lot easier for them to say. Oh no io 9 is not our weird little science fiction site These are just the science fiction stories that are on gawker.com Same thing with valley wag if you are not a big enough Brand that advertisers want to advertise with you no matter what Then it's easier if the ad salespeople can sell it as part of this hole that bolsters their page views and their clicks Versus a sub brand that is harder for the people that are selling You know jelly donuts or chairs or whatever to buy ads on I mean when I worked at tech crunch Even though I was in the video division I worked closely with a lot of the writers and page views were king Um as they still are and you know if somebody if if if spotify announces their earnings report And you get more clicks on your article than riko does on theirs than you want And so I think that the folks at riko have never really Uh focused too much on that more of a Here's our take that is informed and thoughtful and because we're a bunch of professionals And that's why riko is one of the outlets that I enjoy most However, when you get into a situation where it's like, okay, well if we do the fact stuff We're never winning And we can't be independent doing what we're doing now and Again with advertiser money To be to to to be put into play That's not that we will we will be seen as a loser Unless we become part of again. I know voxmeade is it's a little bit complicated But tom spelled it out a little bit earlier that um to be part of the verge as a kind of like We're the grown-ups Here's where you you get a little bit of a deeper dive on a lot of the stuff makes perfect sense um You know who knows what the financial situation is for for riko'd but it seems to me that it it keeps everybody who Works at riko'd who does what they do very well happier in the long run Yeah, it moves riko'd away from being a tech site and into being the tech lifestyle aspect of vox Uh box.com which is a more general news site. Yeah Sorry, go ahead. I I I just was gonna say I see keras. Wish her gone from riko'd within two years I wouldn't be shocked Although she will be more of an important part of that site even then she is now as if it moves toward opinion people But they need to grow In fact, she might even still do a column for them, but just no longer be running it No, no, I would I would buy that look she's not running it. Anyway, they're looking for a new editor She hasn't run it as an editor in a while. Sure if if you're looking at it as a reader as a fan of riko'd Yes, this will change the content to more of a not an everyday Read necessarily in terms of finding out your one-stop shop to find out what's going on in tech You're going to get more opinion kind of stuff But in general I read this and all I see is this was the advertising department complaining to the higher ups and them Getting their way because guess who pays everybody's salaries the person who's trying to sell triskets Or to sell nabisco that triskets are there are going to be sold if you advertise on riko'd Hey, everybody if you want to participate in our sub reddit. Well, I have good news for you We have one. Please go to daily tech news show reddit.com. You can submit stories and vote on others We're also on facebook if facebook is more of your bag or maybe both reddit and facebook Not gonna hate you facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Uh real quickly. Let's check the mailbag Let's do it. 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We'll see you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro All right and and how And how so are you guys are you guys both going to patreon tomorrow? We are is that the reason for the uh That is it. So is veronica belmont who I have to go talk to right now. I'll be right back. Oh, what a diva. All right She just needs tom right now. I'm immediately just Sorry, uh, uh roger. Well, what do we like for a title here? Uh, so we have recode like a vox Get it. I almost don't really get it actually it's like crazy like a fox Oh Okay, that's clever If you if you didn't get it though, I like it less I it determines it is it is based on recognition a vox of the recode house. That's like a fox in the head house Yeah, that I don't like as much That was I mean this is a this is a quick question part of the show I think probably the All right, then what about flicker still flickering? Still flickering without the What's advertising? Get what you know, what's that what's advertising is one word? What's advert what's ads Might be make more sense What's that? So, yeah, if it's spelled the same way right with the capital a a yeah d Hi veronica Hello, the gang's all here Cool I feel like I haven't seen any of you in forever. Hello, you have it. We haven't Oh Uh, I I won't be because uh somebody has to do this You can't do the goddamn show. I'm still I'm still gonna be running the show Yeah Fine So wait, are you are you totally bailing on blizzcon or are you doing a day of blizzcon tom? I won't be able to go to blizzcon because patreon's exactly the same two days I bailed on patreon. So yeah, this year mom gets me When are they gonna move that that's that's inappropriate. Yeah, I I thought last year would be the the only Year that it was exactly the same blizzcon used to move around too So I don't know they'll probably both move and then it'll be at the same day again Oh, gee It'll be like when you're trying to get out of the elevator and you need one you go one way and then you go The other way and I'll tell my hair to buy blizzcon a comb, but yeah, that'll be it wait no about watch and then You know that that story is harder and harder to understand because part of it relies on the fact that well You can't have a watch without a watch chain and I always forget I always think wristwatch I'm like, but then why couldn't he wear the watch? Oh, right because he sold the chain But do you really need the chain? Like yeah, you don't really these days I always try to make that metaphor and nobody gets it. I feel like the literacy of oh, Henry in this country is Drastically gone down. Uh, so do you want to do the what's ad? What's what's what's ads? It's got to be three ads. Yeah. Yeah Like what's With the capital a ds. So yeah, yeah, just What's up? Yeah, yeah capital a right. Yeah, but then lowercase ds So it looks like app. So basically you take what's app, but instead of the pp you put ds good That's how you know, it's a really good joke when you have to describe it See it. It's gonna work great. It works. It's gonna be great. What's ad is it? It is ads? Plural wh ats ad s right Oh w capital a yeah intercapped That's the term space Fun, so this new um dog Place next to me, which is sort of like a pet store slash training center, whatever also has um rooms in the back for private parties I don't even know what I would do with that like am I gonna have like a private dog party in the back of the k9 blue color center Maybe See ray loves it. Yeah, I love the idea Go Ray's great fashion so she might do like a fashion show or something. Oh totally Yeah, this um this uh, I've been trying to you know, figure out where otis is kind of you know, just sort of his His uh, his local, uh independent story is I think this might be the one Big master said tom's board of just grabbing objects out of nowhere now. He does it with former co-hosts Yeah Look, it's Veronica. Hi I should have worked it naturally into the conversation to be like, well, what's Veronica doing these days and then how to Then that Speaking of uh, where is Veronica She came and went Oh, yeah, she's playing with the dogs in the other room now. Oh, I see She'd be busy for hours. Here's Man who else now I feel Geez I felt so burnt out because I did I did three cons in three weeks And I was traveling before and I got at this live show and then I got traveled afterwards So I'm like, all right, I'm taking one week I got one week where I'm not gonna go do a con and of course everybody's going to like 14 different cons This week, you mean this weekend. Yeah, yeah because of blizzcon and everything. Well, I I'm glad I'm sorry. I'm not gonna see you This weekend, but I'm glad you're available tomorrow to host the show. I'm happy to do it Me too. Yeah, thanks for doing that. It'll be very fun And I get to I get to work with Darren, which is good. And of course spend more although I haven't been on a DT as with Darren in forever. You've been on the last two. He's been on That's because I can yell at him personally Uh That happens with Joe. We need to have a show with John Strickland and Jonathan Strickland and Darren kitchen With me because those are the two that they always end up being on when I'm not on somehow Um, I'll say you might be able to figure it out with Darren We could we actually almost figured it out one day. We were chatting and That just life gets in the way. He's another one. He's always all over the place like I was I was trying to See if I could uh, coax him out for A happy hour last week and he's like, oh, I'm in Indiana. I met his fiance. Um, she's fantastic. She is. No, she's great No, we uh, we're actually all going to Imagine if you're like, I don't really like her. Not a fan. Not a fan. She's not she's not that great I guess I wouldn't just not brought it up. Yeah I'm gonna say Yeah, jury's out. Yeah, you know, kind of a Kind of a bee Say about someone and by the way, I think Darren's fiance is fantastic Well, it's not good. Let that get lost. But if you were to say like I met I met their fiance And then kind of just like let that one drop. What are you doing? Yeah Oh good stuff So tom I bought a dresser last night. I just made it happen. Yes, I did Um, and I too late with my with my link I actually I actually I put my order in before you sent mine. However, it's not Unlike yours yours really nice as well. Um It all sort of depended on um certain dimensions, but And that we're good. What's weird is so the place that I got it from which is, you know, it's a big furniture place Was like I got an email within 15 minutes of placing the order saying your items are ready to be shipped Where do we send them? You know, so you have to kind of like go through the second step So I was like cool. Maybe I'll get my dresser like tomorrow. No The first available appointment was november 16th. Oh, yeah, that's my mom's birthday Where I'm like, well, happy birthday mrs. Merritt But early birthday, but I'm like, well, why did you say my items are ready to ship? They're obviously not Or you're not ready to ship them That's like more than two weeks from today. That's not ready Oh, wait a minute um, did we uh Hmm, it's apple earnings Well, were there apple earnings? Yeah, apple beats on q4 earnings Thanks to price hike stock still falls 4% in after hours trading apple was today But they didn't announce before the show and there wasn't anything really huge. Yeah. I think it's a gigantic Uh, we just covered apple a lot ad nauseam We covered apple so much. We should have made a pie Hey This is probably something that we should have for tomorrow though, right? Oh, yeah If there's something worth talking about it should go on daily tech headlines tomorrow The headline that i'm reading now is that apple uh issued guidance that holiday sales might disappoint Eh, that's Okay, I mean if we put it in it wouldn't be a quick hit. Yeah, it wouldn't be a big thing Yeah But I don't know. I don't know if that if that matches the tom the tom threshold of I'm also editing the show so Oh, uh Reuters, this is the Reuters headline right now apple warns that holiday sales may disappoint amid weakness in emerging markets That might be worth a quick hit. I guess just because it's one of those things that I do think that is interesting in that if apple stock takes a dive after You know, uh the q4 earnings announcement in however many months Then it's like, okay. Well, this is something that they did say they are expecting Also, samsung announced slow a slow holiday quarter as well theirs was attributed to slow silicon sales though because you you don't sell as much Many parts during the holiday quarter because everybody buys them to build the stuff They're going to sell during the holiday quarter So but you could you could make a top story discussion out of that Say given that samsung also said this is you know our is it really That or are we seeing are we seeing more a more slowing of the time? Are we in general figuring out because then it's just an apple story. It's more of like is this a trend or not Are we all blind men trying to describe the elephant known as slowing sales? Yeah, well the verge has an interesting article on in that vein saying that um Uh, there was a 29 q4 iphone revenue increase year over year However sales were pretty much flat suggesting that Apple just charging more for things means that people will pay more and the company benefits I've been the story for the last few quarters for apple is their their unit sales are not sure. Yeah It's the apple pencil too better more expensive Everything everything that they have is better but more expensive. It's like a second spouse Hmm I'll take your word on that roger Spouses too much work. Oh my god. What a hassle. I don't know how you guys all deal with that Honestly, I just want to feed my dog I gotta feed three mouths. Oh wait four including mine. Yeah At the end of the night roger's like good a second. I didn't even eat dinner Okay, that's right. I had another one come out. What did roger feed all those mouths audio folks stick around There's more to come video folks. Have a good one. 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