 Excuse me. Recording started. Okay. Welcome back to our class. We are studying on the insecurities as a ministry leader, what may be the insecurities that we may not allow our congregation members to grow. Sometimes as a minister of God, we carry a lot of personal insecurities, and we try to operate in that insecurity among the people we serve. One of the insecurities can be the attention, the attention that we get in the ministry. What if somebody else is much better in the congregation? What if the attention moves to them? Or what if they consider him as a great leader than me? Something like what happened between Saul and David? We should know one thing. Our identity in Christ. God has called you. God has raised you as a leader. Okay. So we need to be secured in that, and we should not have such insecurity within us. Some of them may have the insecure that someone else may preach better than me, and people will start hearing from them and not from me. There would be again another insecurity that people may leave a church. If I allow people to attend different churches, and when they go to the church, they like the setup, they like the infrastructure, they like how the pastor shares, teaches and preaches, or they like the people in that congregation, so they may leave a church and go. So to avoid that, I'll make sure that I will not allow any of the church congregation people not to visit any church. So threaten them from the pulpit saying that you are directly accountable to us, and God will honor only those people. God will bless only those who honor and follow what the church pastor is saying, the church leaders saying, we should not be insecure, and because we are insecure, we share such instruction from the pulpit to the people, not taking away their freedom of fellowship. And there'll be another instance where some of them may be insecure of their identity, because they're insecure of their identity, so they expect everyone to look up to them as a man of God, so they'll keep instructing them, I'm a man of God, I hear directly from God, and God does this thing, God hears from me, so they bring this often, telling them, they are the man of God, and there's a certain instance will be there where we would have seen insecure that someone in the ministry may do better than them. So they try to suppress, if somebody is showing interest or becoming very active in the ministry, they try to suppress them, keep them still or not hinder their work in the church. Or if they're seen any insecure in the identity, they talk about themselves being influenced by some rich people or some politician people or political people or how powerful they are because they know other powerful people, they try to link themselves with somebody else. So I think we need to avoid all that and we need to give our identity from Christ and we need to allow people to grow, people to explore. If you find any youngsters or other members in the church who are been very active or growing in the word, growing in the Lord, as a leader, we need to allow them, give them the opportunity to grow and minister to people. Okay, open up new doors in the church, in the ministry, so that they can serve in that area. If you see any of your congregation member, very good in singing. Okay, give them some training and put them in the worship team. If you see yourself somebody very well teaching and preaching the word, give them the opportunity, arrange for a cell group or LG or there can be some kind of training that you can set up where you give this person the opportunity to teach and preach in that area. So yes, we'll start up with small but then we will never suppress them. If you see themself interested to learn much more, you can refer them to good Bible colleges so that they can be equipped in the word as a ministry leader, as a pastor, we should not have this insecurity. Oh, if I send them to a Bible college, they may get equipped and they may become better than themselves. Actually, that is one way good. We should see as a pastor, as a ministry leader, we should see that our church members, our congregation, our children grow much better than what we are. We should not be insecure in this area. The word of God says we need to equip them to be better than us. We need to show them the way, show them the path, okay? So we should not hold them. Do not provide a platform for people with a personal agenda. So there are many, many times people come to a church with a personal agenda. For example, if there's a businessman, he may have this in mind. If I see this congregation is big, they have about, you know, 1,000 people in their church or more than that. So if I'm part of this church, I can build my business. So what happens with this mentality, he comes to church. So the minute he comes to church, he meets with the pastor one-on-one. He shares about his background, his business plan, how strong, how powerful he is and how he can grow his business. So if you can talk about me and my business in the church and when my business grows, I can bless the church much more. You know, each people come with big personal agendas to the church. But one thing, as a ministry leader, many offers may be very attractive, but then this is not business. This is ministry. This place is for us to serve God and God's people, not to promote anyone's personal agenda. Just like this person, there may be somebody else coming up with another agenda. So our church platform should not become an ad agency or advertisement center to advertise each and everyone's business, to promote each one's business in the church. No, we teach and preach the word of God and that's it. We minister to people, we serve people, but not promoting, not providing the church platform to anyone to promote their personal agenda. It can be anything. I just gave you an example of a business. It can be anything, various scenarios, you will come, but we need to be very careful. We need to discern with what agenda the person is coming. Some of them, like this, what I shared, may be very direct, but some of them, they may not be, but they will try to put it across as though they are doing favor to us. We need to discern. We need to be very careful. We need to understand with what mindset the person has come. So as a leader, we need to set things in place. We should not promote any such thing. We do not do ministry for the people to support us financially, but then we serve people because God has called us to serve. This should be rooted and grounded in our mind. When we have this mentality, nothing will move us, especially money. That should not be in our mind. And also, second, giving priority to some influential people. No, we should treat everyone equal, everyone same. We should have this understanding that we all are on the same level ground. Just being a leader is a responsibility that God has given us. And also, we should not be mindful of the position, the position, the title, that should not matter. Today, you may be a director of a company, but tomorrow with related to a recession, we may lose our job. So what happened from a CEO of a company? Today, we have become zero. So if you hold on to that title, will the title save us? Will the title bring honor to us? No matter who we are, no matter what position we hold in, in the ministry elsewhere. One thing we need to be assured of is our identity in Christ. We are the child of God. We are the servant of God. This should be our identity when we serve people. This is a permanent identity. You may be a pastor. You may be a ministry leader. You may be a servant of God, no matter who you are. Your title should not affect from what you are trying to serve or serve people, serve God. You are serving because you are the child of God. God has called you for this reason, for this season, for you to minister, for you to be there, you to help people. So we should have this in our heart. As we study the Old Testament books, we see how the God raised each and every king, each and every judge for a certain period, for a certain purpose. They had God had placed in them the authority, the people to whom they can minister, whom they can serve. So under their leadership, we are accountable to God with the people whom God has put in our hand. So we need to be mindful of serving them, ministering to them, not having any kind of personal agenda or not holding to any kind of title and seeing to that people serve us or people respect us or people, you know, whatever. But we need to serve them without any personal agenda. Do not fight for what you do not understand. A God cannot be put in a box so the Bible reveals God, but it does not set boundaries for God. God will never violate his word, but he is not confined to his word. Like God is bigger than the book that he has given to us. God can work in different ways. So when certain things in our little mind that we may not understand, then we need to allow, we need to say, Lord, I may not understand now, but I know you're working, you're moving in this. And then allow God to give us time, give us the ways that we can understand and move. So the best thing to do is not to fight for what we do not understand. We need to allow it to God saying, God, it is your work and you will know what is best and you will handle it in the right way. Some things people say and do are not worth our time. We are here to serve people, so we should not be controlled. We are not responsible for people's behavior. We cannot control their choice and decision what they take in their life. Sometimes in ministry, we see people easily forget how we serve them. People suddenly change their mind about us and initially they would have really encouraged and supported us, but then suddenly, they start criticizing us and point out all the flaws and shortcomings that we have. Yes, there's no man perfect. We all have our own flaws. As a leader, when we stand, we are not standing here as perfect being. We have our own challenges in our life. We have our own weakness. We have certain things that we need. We ourselves need to be equipped and taught and learn and outgrow certain things. We have our own flaws and our own shortcomings. Within people who initially encouraged you, supported you, but now you see them criticize you and point fingers at you and they speak ill about you to everyone. So, we need to be strong in the ministry. We need to be very strong. We should not get ourselves distracted with all the comments that you get. Yes, you can see what they have shared is going to help you to change your life, to set things proper. Please go ahead and implement that. Okay, acknowledge it. Thank you for correcting me. I will make sure that I will change. But if there are certain things that are criticizing you, it is not in your hands to do anything. It is to do with people, their thoughts, their opinion. In that time, you need to just bring it to God and say, Lord, you handled the situation, you minister to them, you talk to them and we need to stay strong, focus on God and continue in the area we're serving. So, in this situation, in this season, you may see people leave, people retaliate, people criticize, people forget the good things that you have done for them when they were at difficult time. So, that's okay. So, we don't have to point out all the history to them to remember the good things, what you have done to them, but allow that to the Lord. Leave that to the Lord. Let God be your defender. May God speak for you. We have to just remain quiet. There are situations where we have faced a lot of hardship. Yes, with a little experience, we have not faced much, but little that we have come across. There are times when, you know, not try to defend yourself. Just kept quiet by saying, I'm very sorry. I should have handled it well. Very sorry, my mistake. Just keep it. Allow the Lord to defend you. And in season, in time, we have seen how Lord turned that situation in your favor. It has made people to come and acknowledge their mistake and our sorry. We have seen things change. People transform. People come back and say, apologize for the mistake what they've done. But in this way, we are showcasing Christ's likeness. Christ imaged ourself. It is, sometimes we don't have to defend ourself. We don't have to, you know, when somebody is trying to criticize you, somebody's pointing finger at you, it is okay. Be focused on God. Yes, it is very difficult, but we need to stay strong. We need to be focused because God has called you for the ministry. It is not there. Yes, certain areas we need to work on. Do bring a change, work hard, stay strong. Allow the Lord to work in you and allow the Lord to work in the other person as well. And leave the offenses behind. Not worry, not worth carrying them with you. Yes. And people may offend you, but do not get disappointed because people also offended Jesus. Even Apostle Paul in his ministry was very disappointed, discouraged by many believers in Galatia that he labored. I mean, he served them faithfully, but easily they swayed by some other people's teaching and they, you know, they deviated. They came against Apostle Paul, but then he prayed for them. He was not offended with them. He prayed for them. He prayed for their attitude. He asked God to handle them. He asked God to bring a change in them so that God could give them the understanding. So in the ministry, we may come many people in our way, in our life who may offend, but leave the offenses, carry on the ministry because God has called you. And we'll see the next point here is people grow, people change, so be ready to let go. So in the ministry, you may minister to people. You may take some people, minister to them, nurture them. You'll see them grow in the ministry. And there would be a point where they want to have a change in their journey. They may want to have their own ministry. So as a pastor, as a ministry leader, we need to be ready to let go of them in a nice way, in a way we enjoy sending our own children to abroad for our higher studies. We don't get offended because our children are going. We are happy with more maturity. We bless them and we send them. In the same way in the ministry, we have us people walk into our life as they have been learned. We should not say, we should not have this in our mind. Hey, I taught you everything so that you may serve along with me in the ministry, not to leave my ministry and go away. No, people will bring, I mean, God will bring the right kind of people who can continue your ministry, who can help you in your ministry for your ministry to grow. But as you grow, as you minister to people, as you raise leaders in the church, you should also be ready and understand that people grow, people change. So we need to be ready to let them go into the area what God has called them to be. We should not hold on to people just because we need our work to be done. We need to allow them to go and explore things in their life. Okay, at APC, we have the privilege to see each and every leaders grow, mature, develop. They walk with God and in the ministry and we see pastor, I've released many leaders. Released from the ministry because, and released into the call of God, many have come to Bangalore, they have studied in the Bible college, they've joined as a staff and then they would have said like, I want to minister, I want to plant a church and pastor wholeheartedly have sent them to do what God has called them to do. And we also see new leaders, we create opportunity in our church so that the new leaders are encouraged to grow, to take up that place and serve in the ministry. So God always provides the right kind of people and we need to have the generous art to bless them and release them without any kind of heart feeling and flattery. Do not accept it, do not give it. Flattery is very different from the encouragement. Flattery is something, having a personal agenda behind what we wanted and we just flatter to make people, you know, for the pleasure. We don't do that, we don't accept it also. Even when somebody says every time they'll come and say like, wow, today your sermon was so good, you ministered to me, okay, it touched me, changed my life and every week they come up with the same thing. Oh, this is what God spoke to me and you exactly said the same way. Every week after week, you know somebody is genuinely not saying that, you know, they're trying to flatter you to be recognized or to be, to be, they have a kind of a personal agenda, what they wanted from you, okay? So we need to draw a fine line from Flattery. Do not accept it, okay, praise God and leave it there and do not give it. And we also as a leader, we don't have to flatter anyone, anyone, no matter how rich, how influential, how powerful they may be in the church, we don't have to flatter anyone, but we need to respect everyone, keeping in mind, okay? Yes, encouraging is different. Encourage one and on, build one and one, exhort. But this is Flattery. Flattery is not good, it is not from God, okay? So this reminds us, Thumbs 115 verse three says, not unto us or Lord and not unto us, but to your name give glory because of your mercy and because of your truth. So whatever we are in the ministry is because of God. Somebody gives you a very good comment, praise God. Remind yourself that, you know, God is blessed, your God has given you this wisdom, the skill, everything comes from God. So there's nothing for us to take that praise or glory, but then we need to direct it to God, give God the glory with all your heart, okay? And do not take anything to yourself at the same time with others also. When you see people doing good work, we don't have to flatter them, but give praise to God for that person and encourage that person genuinely in the right way. And you can listen to people's idea, but you make the final decision. So as a leader, yes, there's safety in people's counsel, we read that in a book of Proverbs. So yes, we do counsel with each other in our church. Yes, we have our staff, we have our core team, then we have a core team with whom we discuss the ideas. We discuss the situation, we take the ideas, and then finally we decide and we implement it. So when we decide and when we implement, things go well, praise God, give the credit to the team, but things don't go well, you take the ownership because you made the decision, okay? They're safe and you make it, you know, if things didn't work out well, you learn the lesson from that area, you take the ownership of the mistake and you move on. So it is better that you decide and not take the ideas from everyone. Take the ideas, but do not make the decision based on others' idea, you have to decide. As a leader, you have to decide and make a decision. Do not permit any individual to control you. So as a leader, as I said, there would be many influential people, business people coming to your church. Okay, one of the agenda they may have is to control the pastor. At church, especially when we are young leaders, we have different people come to our church. They may be rich, they may be very influential, they may be very pioneer in the ministry, they'll come to your church. And they'll come to the agenda, oh, this pastor's very young and age. We can try to, I mean, we can make them serve according to how we want it. They may have come to the church very new, just one month or one week or, you know, they would start giving their suggestion to us. They will start suggesting, I think you need to change your worship style, you need to change the prayer style, you need to change your sermon, topics, themes. I can suggest you, can we meet up at home? Can you come to my office? We can meet up, we can discuss more, how better you can take up the church. I can do this so and so at church. So, you know, we should not be carried away with any such thing. Do not allow anyone to control, any individual to control you. With the intellectual, they may be very intellectual, they may be very knowledgeable. But whatever it is, this is God's work. God has set you as a leader. You see God, you have your own team in the church that is set. So you discuss and you move as a team. And God has appointed you as a leader. We are responsible to lead the church and not give that to any individual or come and try to control us. And the super spiritual ones with caution, it's very important. There may be many in the church saying, God is speaking to me as a, you know, God spoke to me saying that you need to change, you need to start speaking about the end times or you need to start speaking about healing. According to the situation, what they are going in their life and what they need. So they will try to come and impose that on the pastor, on the leader saying, God spoke to me to tell you to do this. So as a ministry leader, you need to handle very, very cautious. When God has appointed you as a leader, God will definitely speak to you. He will definitely put an impression in your heart what you are doing, how you need to lead the church. So you will listen to them, but at the same time, you will handle it carefully. You'll say, okay, we will see to it how we can implement that. I will discuss with the team, we'll get back to you. So that without offending the other person, you will handle it right. Sorry. But at the same time, if a person is genuinely spiritually walking with the Lord and, you know, God has impressed something in their heart for which you also been praying, asking God to guide you and talk to you and God puts a word and you can sense it. It is from God. Listen, take it with all humility and all submission and implement it. And you see that suggestion that which they said would bear fruit in your walk, in your ministry. And also raise up leaders. Very important, very important. We see in the New Testament how Paul raised young leaders. Wherever even he raised leaders like Priscilla, Akila. He also raised Timothy, a young man who may came across, he nurtured him in the word and in the spirit. He instructed them, he instructed him like a son, you know, he took care of him. And he was so much confident that he will take the ministry after him. And also the other places he raised many other leaders where the word of God can, you know, reach and also he himself imitated Christ so that, you know, he set an example, he set a spiritual example as a leader where all the other leaders can follow him the way he prayed, the way he conducted himself in the ministry of God without any expectation. He labored unto God more than 100%. He was mindful of people. He was mindful of God as a leader and we need to be mindful of God. We need to be mindful of people. We need to be available for them and serve them. Okay, and at the same time, raise leaders so that our work will not be stopped but our work will continue. The good work that we have started will continue when we raise good leaders. So it is very important to raise leaders and stand by your leaders as we raise people expectancy will be as equal to the leader. But then, yes, as leaders, we all make mistake. We all have a, you know, a time of growth in stages. As I said, we do make mistake, we do learn but as a leader, as a pastor, you stand with your young leaders as you nurture as you grow with them. Okay, there will be many in the congregation coming against your leaders, coming and complaining to you. Okay, so reason it out, discuss with the leader but at the same time, you will allow, you will give in the time to correct change minister but stand by your leader. Do not put your leader down. At the same time, if there's any mistake, you will encourage him to apologize, to correct this mistake, to live by a standard, a godly standard, okay? But then, you will be with the person. Do not let inaction or negligence birth, absolones like what King David did. He never corrected his own sons. It can be Absalom or it can be Amnon or it can be Tamar. When the things didn't go well in David's family, David, yes, he was a very good king but he failed to be a good father. He never corrected Amnon when he violated Tamar's virginity. When he violated Tamar's virginity. He also didn't address Absalom's anger. When he killed Amnon, he didn't even talk to Absalom or for the wrong that he did, he killed his own brother. So he failed in bringing a correction to his own children and we see Absalom becoming rebellion against his own father. So it is very important to bring correction in the right time among the people as we also discussed how to bring the correction before lovingly, gently bring correction to our people but it has to be done immediately. There should not be any delays and do not be partaker of other people's set. We need to be very careful. As a ministry leader, there would be many scenarios where people will come to you. They will come and say, pastor, give me a letter for, give me a letter that stating that I was serving along with you because I want to apply for a Bible college abroad. Okay, so they're asking for a previous experience letter that you served in the church. Well, this person maybe attending the church is not even serving as a volunteer but then coming and asking you, claiming for a letter to be given like that in the church. So we can clearly say no. Yes, he may be in our church, he may be faithful but he never served under you or during the marriage proposals, people may come and ask you, how is this person? How is each one's character? Yes, the parents before giving the bride and groom exchanging, they will inquire with the church pastor about the person's character. So there's nothing for us to manipulate, nothing for us to give only the good part of the person. Tell what the person is. Let your yes be an yes, no be a no. Say clearly. Or we not sign for anything, we do not partake in anyone's personal agendas for any other benefit. Be very careful, stay away from all that. Saying no is not a sin. Saying no is not a sin. We may think as a Christian leader, if I say no, this person may leave our church, it's okay. He's just asking me a letter to give it to him. Anyways, he's going to study in a Bible college. What's wrong in just giving a letter? No, it is wrong because he has never served under you or with you. He's only been attending the church. So you can give a letter saying that, you can clearly tell him yes, sure, I can give you a letter, but I can only give you a letter saying that you have been attending the church. I cannot give you a letter you served as a volunteer or you served in the church as a staff. No, I cannot do that. So let your no be no, no is not a sin. Do not stoop down to the level of your accusers. There will be many who will come against you, who will accuse you. So we as a leader, as a servant of God, don't have to stoop down to their level to speak ill about them or what you good you did for them and what went wrong or what they're doing is wrong. We don't have to explain it. We don't have to stoop down to their level. It is, as we said, let the Lord be your defender. Let Lord be your defender. Allow God to work in their life. So this is very important because we always have a choice not to repay evil for evil, but we always have a choice to live at a level above those offending. We can allow God to work in their life. And in us, when we allow God to work, God will definitely defend our case and God will definitely bring a change in that person and also bring a change in our own life. It is godliness not to defend ourself, not to stoop down into the other person's level, just to have a big heart, big mind and allow things to let go, stay focused on God. It's not very easy, but we need to be encouraged ourself to focus on God. We need to encourage ourself to let things go. We need to tell ourself like, let God be my defender and I don't have to defend myself or I don't have to stoop down to their level to accuse back or whatever. We should be mindful of God and His people. We are here to serve them. We are not here to accuse them. We should allow the lot to work. Okay, with this we are completing the third chapter on people and handling people. And at APC, we believe that every minister, every believer is a minister of God. At APC, we believe every believer is a minister of God. We teach the word, we equip them, we raise them as a leader. We create opportunities for our church members to step out, go and serve out in different ways. We plan out missions, we plan out short term Bible colleges in rural areas in North India and we open up that opportunity to our church members. We tell them we have been teaching you, we have been equipping you in the world and who can keep themself, who can make themself available to travel to so and so place and minister to them. Be a blessing to them. And we see many of our church members come forward from the busy schedule. They take one week time. Each of them take turn to take time and they step out to serve God. It's amazing to see how people get involved. As they step out to serve God, they see how God minister to them through them, to others. They are filled with awe of God when they come back with great testimonies. And we praise God for all that. So even in our Bible college, when we equip our students, we don't equip our students just in the word. They've come here, they'll stay with us a year or two or three years and they'll go, no, we equip them for life. We equip them for life. We build them with the word, with the spirit and also along with the character. We speak a blessing over them. You know, we try to build them because character is very important because that is what will hold the anointing. So we build a strong character in our students' life. Every student who I've been graduated from our college are ready to serve people despite the condition what they are. They're recognized or not recognized. They have this heart to serve God, serve people with the limited resource what they have in their hand. So this is what has been expected and we encourage them that every one are leaders. When the students join in our college from the very first year, we look at them as a leader, keeping the final picture in mind, we work with them. We lead them, we speak into their life and build their character. Yes, our students, we see our students learn and also at the same time, they unlearn certain things and they build themselves in the word and spirit and step out as a true servant of God. That's amazing to see. As you all grow, you yourself, yes, you're on online, but then, even on online, we trust God to minister and shape our students. Build them for the ministry and be released to serve God with mindful to serve only God and His people. Yes, there's a lot of advantages when we have the opportunity to study in Bangalore. Praise God, if you all have the opportunity, that is, I tell you that is a privilege. You have to grasp it and come over to stay with us in Bangalore. We have a residential school. It's nice. It's a very different experience because the whole agenda changes from morning till night. We have certain things to do and this training will shape us for life. We'll set us in ministry for life. We'll have nothing else than to please God with all our heart and mind and soul. There's a joy when we serve God. Despite the circumstance, the difficulties we may go through, but then, but then every day in our college will be a learning. Every day, there's something to learn. God will orchestrate things. We get to learn from people, from our leaders, from the pressure, from the situation. It may be a difficult situation. At the same time, it may be some pleasant situation. We see the presence of God when we worship together. We meet many new people every week after week in the different locations where we are assigned to serve. And as we serve, we serve under other leaders. So we get to learn from their life the heart that they carry for the ministry, the work they do. So the learning is immense. Learning is immense. So yes, with this, just pray, just ask God, God, is this what you want me to do? Is this what I can do? Ask God to give you that opportunity, to create that opportunity, to learn and equip in the bud. And as we prepare ourself, let's be mindful that God is teaching us and God is building us, okay? As God is building people, he's also building each of us. We are his people, we are his children. We are the fruit of his labor, okay? We need to harvest more because God said, I will use you to be fruitful in my kingdom. Each one will harvest 30, 60 and 100 folds into his kingdom, bring glory to him. How? When we submit ourself, we will see God move in and through us. Yes, with this, I'll open up to the class to share your experience. We'll go with brother Enoch. Good morning once again, everyone. I want to ask a question. Are you having me? Yes, please, go ahead. Yeah, you are saying something about the leadership and the culture. With my own experience, I want to share my experience and also ask a question. Sure, brother. When my senior pastor, then, before we start our minutes to call me, although before you called me, God told me on Saturday that we are relocating to a new branch. If someone is there, so we are moving us to the branch. And after I'm moving them to the branch, I'm not that resident pastor, then after a resident pastor, then I'm not that resident pastor called me and said, if I don't submit to him, he's going to pull me out from the branch. It's not his senior pastor. He wasn't the one who sent me to the branch. So, and I ask, in terms of what, he was talking about finance, money, command to keep me out. It's like a gas moment to me, because this is just money. We have to deposit it in a bank account. I cannot remove halfway and side to a resident pastor like me, who, although, is my senior as a resident pastor. But why do you request for money? So, as in the episode, I went straight to report the incident to my senior pastor, my superior. Please, this is what the resident pastor said. I don't want to offend anybody. I want to do my work the way God and use you to send me to the branch. Eventually, he came up and I was to remove from the branch, back to the headquarters. So, in first scenario, because he said we should respect each my senior as a resident pastor. I'm a resident pastor, but we are both a resident pastor then. Now, I took a step, and the step was for me to report the matter to the superior, our superior. Is he right for me to report, though I've reported, though I'm not a man in the ministry, God has given us our own ministry by the special grace of God. But we are talking about we should respect and obey the leader. It is my senior in that level. But what I should have done in first case, he likes to respect in this way that he wants to express money because I know that's his position. That's my question. We like to go ahead and see the respect in knowing that this particular pastor is asking for money, which I am not. So, in first case, what should I have done? Did he get my question now? The last point, brother, I didn't get that. Okay, I'll say what should I have done? I mean, what do you think I should have done? You don't have given money or keep on respecting him or to concern him? Because you were saying that I reported him to the senior pastor. What did you do? So, that's what I did. I reported him to senior pastor. And you were saying that what should I report him to senior pastor? I think that was the right thing. That was the right thing that you did not give any money, but then you reported to the senior pastor. Yes, but he planned my removal from the branch which I'm not angry. And I can't go that everything went well, but I was removed from the branch because I didn't give him the money. Yes, ministry is not a business. We will definitely come across that situation, but we need to understand that ministry is not a business. We need to, we should not be giving in to any kind of like this money handling or exchange for any kind of benefit. Yes, though you were removed from the branch, that's okay, ministry is about God. God raises us. Maybe God wanted you to do something else. Okay, it is God's work, God's ministry. We should not be offended, leave the offenses to God. And there is a plan of God, isn't it? Yes, it may cause kind of hurt, but then bring it to God and leave it to God. Let the Lord defend you, defend for you, okay? And God has always have a plan. God's ways are very different. We cannot put God in a box and we cannot, just because we don't understand what happened, we cannot put God in a box and question. So I love the Lord to work. Maybe after some years or after some time, we will understand, okay, this is what it is. Okay, yes, as the time is running and you all also have the third hour, can we conclude the session with a word of prayer? Can I request anyone to lead us in prayer before we could dismiss our class? Sadavi, thank you for the lessons that we learned today. We pray that in ministry, we would be able to consider people in the value that you have given and help us to do everything in love, in honor, and in subjection to your word of God. Give us wisdom and understanding to do your will in the ministry, Lord. We thank you for that and to share your word and thank you for opening up our eyes. Or we pray that you'd be able to walk with you closely to see the miracles that you have in store for us as a ministry of God. We give you praise in Jesus' precious name, we pray. Amen, thank you so much. Amen, thank you so much. See you all next week. And yeah, thank you, God bless. Thank you, God bless.