 So, seeing all the issues that you have talked about, do our colleges have enough infrastructure or staff to change entirely the mode of operation that is now being imposed? The funny bit is that there is no quality insistence. So, autonomy means that you will be given the freedom without insisting on infrastructure, whether you have the capacity to sustain new kinds of courses or increase student fees and take in more students or not that the government is not looking into. Now, as far as the institutions are concerned, we are being showed some ways like I told you, you know I mean transform a part of the college premises, give them out for you know coaching institutes, make your senior teachers do some corporate consultancy MOOCs, Nandita mentioned MOOCs. Now, you know digital literacy and digital learning and all of that is of course I mean we are very much embedded in that scenario. The whole teaching learning process, but you know to replace physical classroom teaching learning with massive online courses, where you don't need more classrooms, where more students can be enrolled through a virtual system to virtual courses. But what is going to be the ultimate quality of those courses? We see that in the semester system, even our classroom teaching learning has suffered because you know the courses are so badly modularized and students just don't get enough time to engage with the content that we give them. And you know now the next step is you know just not having physical contact with your students. Okay, so through reaching out to them through these virtual sort of modules. So quality is the last thing on the in the mind of the government, quality is getting very severely undermined, alright. The whole point is that education is being seen as a kind of a market from where profits can be leveraged, private players want several entry points into this market and that's the entire vision. Unfortunately, education I mean in the real sense lacks a vision as far as policy makers are concerned and it lacks a leadership because all these people including the people in the ministry, the politicians, all of them are behaving, they are acting as go-betweens, brokers, between educational institutions and very powerful international lobbies that are pressurizing them through the WTO GATs, through the several multilateral trade treaties of which higher education unfortunately has been pledged as a part by successive governments. So I just want to add a little bit to that this MOOCs business, we don't have to sort of speculate that, I mean of course it's very clear to any person with a little bit of common sense that you can't really replace this formal classroom interaction of student and teacher with non-formal education, non-formal education is for those who somehow cannot get to formal education, it's an additional thing and it's not even the way in which IGNU and others they operate, they implement their courses through people, they have a large number of employees in all their centres and they actually administer all those courses. But the MOOCs system all over the world has failed very badly, it has been an absolute disaster in terms of teaching and learning, these have been evaluated over and over again so it's a failed system which is being sought to be imposed on a third world country. The second thing is that as you talked about these corporate lobbies, these international corporate lobbies, you see even organisations like the WTO and other such organisations have been increasingly taken over by corporations, it's not just governments, the non-government players are playing a very big role everywhere, they are formulating government policy, they are lobbying and they are making sure that the policies are implemented for their benefits so that their profits can increase. So when they make very major financial mistakes, they are bailed out and ordinary people are made to suffer, government then imposes austerity measures which means cutback on public health, cutback on public education, cutback on all welfare policies so that ordinary people pay for the mistakes and the greed of the large corporations. That's happening all over the world, there is resistance also, where there is greater resistance, you are able to protect your public education. All these governments whether it was the UPA or the NDA, they have become puppets in the hands of these corporations which are dictating policy. In 2005, the Indian government offered higher education as a commercial tradable service under GATS. Now that was crazy, I mean why should higher education or any education become a trade? Because then you have all the logic of the trade laws which say that you cannot have unfair trade practices, you cannot give any incentives to your own domestic suppliers as compared to all the foreign players and that means your subsidies go and if your subsidies go whether it is an agriculture or an education particularly, your education will not be accessible to most people because then you will have to recover the entire cost from the user that is the student and that is what will put it out of the reach of 95 percent of us of our students. Because students are such an important stakeholder in this entire scenario, they ought to know and their parents who are spending the money ought to know that the government is often talking about loans, education loans and you know without knowing about it, it seems like an attractive or even viable kind of proposition but you know the maximum number, I mean America had, United States had been privatizing its education system for a very long time and the maximum number of student loans are taken in the United States. It is a way of also allowing the financial sector to come in very heavily into the education sector and the debt crisis that happened in the United States a few years back when people studied it, they realized that the largest component of that debt crisis was student loans. Students are either unable to pay back their loans or you know they are in such a pressure to get to well paying jobs or I mean some kind of source of income that will allow them to pay back those loans in a very short period of time that they are unable to take proper decisions in terms of their lives, their criticality and their ability to think independently, to use their education to sort of you know act with a degree of independence is completely thotted because they fall into this debt trap. You know any nation which is allowing its student population to fall into a debt trap at such a young age is a nation which I am not, I don't think that the leaders of the nation are really interested in building the nation up or empowering the youth of that nation. They are doing exactly the opposite of what they are claiming to do. Employment is at an all-time low so you don't get employment to pay back the loans that you have taken for your education. You can see the disaster that is in the making that this will completely destroy our country, the young of our country which is after all the future. And on that note I would end this discussion and thanks a lot for joining me on this show and that's all the time we have for news click. Thank you.