 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa Let's go to the papers this morning and quickly have a you know share with you What major stories are making headlines across Nigeria today? G-day Johnson will be joining us in a bit and they're getting to share his thoughts We're starting with the punch newspapers should be on your screen in just a few seconds as always Yes, Supreme Court's declaration on boonie Governor's hold emergency meeting today APC chiefs differ Congress is to hold Says governments are meeting on Friday. We will no direction after Pali says a chairman and APC chairman's forum Saturday's Congresses will go ahead and also it will be impossible to do so says bannery a little bit of controversy there Legas donates a Greek tools imputes to 3000 women and youths and also EFCC has recovered 5.4 billion naira from trapped 12 billion naira says the NHIS boss Legos laments rise in COVID-19 cases plans more isolation centers federal government frustrating UK Governments efforts on canoes trial says a lawyer and Lawyers kick has been a republic picks Igbo Ho's a deportation Plots rather Igbo Ho's deportation to Nigeria We can also find on the punch article Mitz wiki says Nigerians waiting for the PDP in 2023 Still on the punch harsh poppy IG orders probe of FBI's fraud allegations against Kiari FBI links supercop with detained fraudster DSP wanted in the United States Also Defense Minister blames monarchs and clerics for insecurity says troops compromised Lastly on the punch bank CEO summon the emergency meeting over BDC's forex ban Moving on to the this day newspapers this morning the big one their APC in jeopardy of a boonies continued stay as national chair Presidential aides want him sacked. Oh my gigi insist his stay is legal And also this morning Terrorism Buhari assures British Prime Minister of non-interference with judicial process Naira strengthens as bank CEOs pledge support for new CBN FX policy Ipex bank to reform pending licenses and licensing fees to BDC promoters Says no going back on banned on the FX sale to BDC's Also NSIA to invest 200 million dollars in world-class hospital 20 other projects nationwide Once again on harsh poppy IG orders review of FBI's allegation against Kiari US court orders arrest of top cop force headquarters rattled by development And of course it says my hands are clean according to Abba Kiari And now let's go to the nation newspapers Igbo Ho's lawyer why he will remain in Beniprizin Agitator wouldn't be extradited. The DSS says we are detaining his three associates on court order CBN directs banks to open dollar point-of-sale popular Lagos Monaco Loto dies at 80 and also this morning roll depends in APC over bunny Buhari's advises ketika committee has lost legitimacy Oh my gigi akin to learn others defend you be governor still on the nation UK Nigeria okay judicial trial for terrorism suspects and also Buhari will sign petroleum industry bill when transmitted. That's on the nation this morning My affair with harsh poppy and that is by Abba Kiari The inspector general says we are studying FBI order Jam registrar. Oh, loyalties tenure expires NUC you back CEOs affected also voters automaton Winners of a career to lose victory Says tinubu voters rather the ultimate winners of a career to lose victory says tinubu Article is in news also saying Nigerians eager to return PDP to power in 2023 And lastly on the daily independent IGP orders probe of Abba Kiari over harsh poppy fraud Kiari says hands are clean after US court ordered his arrest PDP demands full investigation of reports Lawyers react still on the daily independent 2023 get ready to leave us or rock at tico tells Buhari and the APC troops keel 37 terrorist arrest 16 informants rescue 223 livestock also On the daily independent Buhari urges Commonwealth support in tackling insecurity pledges nine pledges non-interference in terrorism trials Robbers attack bullion vending on do again shoot three cops only technology can guarantee credible electoral process says INEC and also Will we respond to genuine demand for forex as a bank CEOs? Insecurity implement 2014 confab report now delegates tell Buhari. I Think we'll take a pause there and say good morning to Ginny Johnson chief lecturer at Nigerian Institute of Journalism Thank you for joining us this morning sir Good morning and good morning to our viewers all over the world and what it's Friday. Hopefully we have time to rest about the Absolutely. There's so many very interesting stories from Forex to Abba Kiari to of course the APC Congress but the big one of course that has made all the headlines is the Supercop Abba Kiari and the allegations that have been made against him by the FBI and of course his arrest warrant in the United States for Allegedly, you are getting involved with Hosh poppy and a lot more. Let's start with that Ginny Johnson. What are your thoughts? Well, I'm They said that the IGP set up a committee to investigate every allegation that I think is the headline in the In one of the names to party with it was it was it was crafted The I have got to cut to to make such Allegations and demand before the presentation before the court and the court granting the order of FBI to seek the arrest of Abba Kiari and others is not only about Kiari, but I think about five orders In connection with Hosh poppy Crime allegedly crime and I shall crime It should be a cause of concern for the Nigerian police the body the entire image of the Nigerian police as an institution and the country Nigeria as well as the character in this allegation It is not like Nigeria whereby your presentation before Before when we have one we have media triad before the actual triad Commences. You have not seen Hosh poppy being presented before the media by the American No, first man officer. So this guy stole money. They've not they've not done that What he did is to carry out the investigation other than investigation. They took the matter to do to To the courts and for the courts to grant them orders to do whatever they want to do Well, I think The IGT is saying that they want to Investigate what FBI has investigated what tool or resources Does Nigeria I'm sure even the New York police department has more resources More intelligence gathering the methods and techniques as he holds than even the Nigerian police The best bed you should have done is to have suspended the car time Because if it's They reverse the case let us do that. It's another Niger that is accused and it's been Accused by a beer and what if you did I hear police will have arrested that person and them You have arrested you know, even with for any investigation or what it will have arrested That person and that person will have faced media triad even before if he's the actual triad I think what the IGP should do is to is to ask them the guy to proceed on administratively While he's carrying out his investigation Concerning concerning the banter the FBI will not cover publicly before the court to require His arrest and if you are very cumbersome is that cumbersome with what happened in Nigeria I ask this question What is the salary of this character in question that he said the guy saw it Needy on social media and he asked him to him so 200,000 what of clothes from himself? Where does it get the money to show? 200,000 what is salary? What's the salary at that particular point in time for him to suit 200,000 a what of clothes? That is he's a liaison officer Between East a law and all spokeie and don't also forget. We saw this character romancing with the people in the in the in the in the popular culture industry and the demand Movies and the and the rest and the rest of it. So it should be asked to proceed on administratively The Niger police want to save his image and to work in line with that purpose And if you are cumbersome with what happened in the larger in the larger society What does if if your lecturer if your lecturer are you working the university system? Working politics and modern techno is the the issue of Boyce is a prevalent in in every institution except want to play to the gallery or play to leave your street You see student being guarded by military men. You see student being guarded by police. We just see this is police They demand someone has little money. Yes, or police has caught on the rest of it But there's a critical element of what he said the use of state institution To pursue personal and private agenda that But the use of state institution and resources and personal to prosecute Personal agenda is a critical aspect that most people are not paying attention to because this guy was paid allegedly To ensure that is is his rival was jailed and we have seen situation We have I have gone to parties whereby the police escort of a private citizen We beat up people or even beat up security. We will beat up the The bouse as all the local security people you provide it because they escorted the escorted That's it. We turn because as the time they use because they are criminal They escorted one big person quote-unquote to a public function and it was it was it was it was Disgraced by by people would not recognize his status in the position. So that's a critical aspect that we need we need to look at The use of state security by private individual Who use their personal resources to acquire the authority and the power of the state using state instrument of Law enforcement to oppress other citizens when you drive on the road You see them when you drive when you drive on the road You see them with their siren they have no public office oppressing you on the road So that's a critical issue that we need to look into even those that are elected into public office Do not have any right to use siren to pursue your life of the road They don't have any right at all to use siren What should you siren on your employer the people are the people the people are the employers of those in public service Why should they go now use siren to set the citizen away from the road and that's absolute nonsense Those are some of the issues we begin to look at when we begin to move forward that we think before the national assembly If a public officer if there is traffic, we should not go to that traffic You don't use your your siren your police or military men don't jump out of your car and clear the road for you And leave everyone of us in the mess. We must go to the mess. You have created Let me stop on that there on that particular All right, let's go to another story. I think I'm gonna stay also with the daily independent It's on 2023. I take what we're telling the current administration and party get ready to leave us a rock in 2023 um, I take who tells buhari and the apc of course, uh, there was Stories of uh, reconciliation between himself and yes on wiki Let's let's and the interesting thing. I mean reverse state presently The interesting thing is um Let's look let's look at the story from a reverse angle Test to live in 2023 But I do not interested in leaving In 2023 these are the implications you look from reverse angle from the story. Are we even sure there will be election in 2023? um, are we even sure article will run on Will run on the platform of pdp and not on the platform of another party because since 2007 As you go as floated Is presidential admission at different parties at different? Different different forum even so less with concerning that and let's start the story to the apc story That says them and there is there is um There is confusion or over boonies boonies Continuous ship of the apc. We have said it is an illegality. It's just that the supreme court was not as bold as it was in 2019 otherwise the election of On those two do have been thrown out and pdp will have been declared We now got that election because you don't build up. You don't be something or nothing And what you have with respect to what it this is is illegality and I've said it over time um, you do need rocket science to understand the the the absorptivity And the legality and the impunity with which our political class Display the authority and power and do a signal body can hold them accountable And that's the responsibility of the media going into section 22 of 99 Nigerian section 36 of 99 Nigerian as amended and the role of the judiciary with respect to Interpreting the law and ensuring that everybody complies with how can you have a chaotic arrangement in the political party? In a political party that is a ruling party that is the having a system and structure that contravenes the constitution of that party Boonee is an elected governor There's a particular thing a dog can not be too smart to To to to guard two houses at that new rule How can you be a governor and at the same time you manage a national party? a national party Wow How can how can you success me and the constitution of the party first at that and a pc has perpetuated that illegality Is that a perpetuated that that illegality for almost for close to one year? What does it cost them for them when the national chairman resigned? What does it cost them for them to have the deputy national chairman to superten the party until they have their congresses? But that national congress was dissolved by fiat Was dissolved by fiat and then boonee's Um Categor committee was instituted with governor's pig fund from each of the geopolitical zone to fund the catheter committee And then you have to add that within three months a pc will have put his house another Three months when after six months is ten was extended They are meant to start their congresses Tomorrow, how are you sure that at the end of the day based on the supreme court judgment on? On on on those things with respect to the status of the national chairman How are you sure that whatever they are going to do is not going to be Right is not going to be notified and we have said it on this program if you keep track Yeah, we have said it on this program that What they are doing cannot stand the test of water cannot stand the test of constitutionalism and the beauty of democracy is to test The the constitutionalism of the actions of the actors and the players in the democratic process and the courts And the courts will rule we rule on that on on on on that matters So we don't need to rocketize a pc suffer some losses in 2019 for example in zamfara state For and we didn't have election. We didn't have Candidates in river state The lost election in bazaar state to force major to their own technical And why would they continue on on that on that level? Finally, I'll say this Any party that does not have respect for his constitution Which Brought about his establishment once he gets to power will not have respect for the constitution of nigeria Is very clear if I go into the archive and I bring out what my media interviews I've said this more than 100 times any question So you don't need rocket science to understand that if you don't if you are from apc You don't respect the constitution of apc or you are from pdp you don't respect the constitution of pdp and you get to power Through the party platform. You know I've respect for the question of nigeria All right, you know I've respect for the question. You let's talk about That's why the issue to the most case the dds Up the dss when got a court order to detain people the court required them to present the people The dss said okay, we are still holding them based on court order. How many court order on the abuari administration On the abuari's administration as we know first and we know bait by the executive Because people don't believe that we live in a society. There are no laws the supremacy of the constitution Is the fundamental principle of the rule of law the the constitution is supreme Is the supreme is what is what determines what happens in the society It's pretty much the same thing with namdi kanu's case where he also wasn't taken to court And they blame It's the same thing It's the same people don't think that they can go scot free with their actions They turn themselves to be the law of the society and that's what you have in autocratic society Whereby the fires of position of authority believes that they are bigger than the society They are bigger than the state and we have told people this devil crazy Was fought and won for on the altar of two tests on the altar Of the right for self-determination on how to be governed because we are being ruled by military regime And which is antithetical to democratic principle and people protested that no we don't want military regime We want democratic governors And that's why we have democratic governors that we want to be ruled and this is the right of everybody And for people to think that today Because you occupy position of authority. They are larger than the state. They have decision themselves It's just a matter. It's just a matter of time. Anyone in position of authority that thinks that we will be there forever Is just deceiving himself Namdi kanu's case Why can't you bring him to court to arrest somebody bring him to court? We like we said when we review the matter Once the case is brought to court and is reviewed in court. I tell you it's no longer in the hand of the dss Then is no longer in the hand. It has gotten to the at most a judgment pronouncement For example, Elzazaki and his wife was released in the course of this week The court said the federal government had no case after five years of detention You know, many times they did not take it to court and I've said it. We must vote the regardless of our party affiliation Regardless of our partisanship We must boldly condemn any acts or actions Of government that is antithetical to democratic principle It might be you tomorrow that it does in authority I want to use this instrument of the state to our price If they wake up tomorrow, they say they want to close all the media houses in Nigeria. What are we going to do? We must not keep silence in the eyes of tyranny We are not saying people should engage in criminal activities Anyone that engages in criminal activity should be arrested and be prosecuted Prosecute the person following the law of the land and the international charter and treaty you have signed to Prosecute him taking him to court. Let the court run through his process. Be fair Let's start the story to what the president told the british prime minister yesterday He said the government will not interfere in the judicial process of those that are involved in terrorism He said the government will not interfere But you have in the speech of the president doesn't mark the actions of the department of justice in Nigeria Which we call the ministry of justice and some of us have said it that The office of the attorney general of the state of the state and that of the minister of justice should be separated To be separated and we should we should let that office from from from politics Because that has a critical role in the administration and dispensation of justice in the country The situation where you accuse somebody of the crime and took you five years before you present that person before court And what what what is that justice? I'm sure there is exactly shisudi state And get compensation for these five years of his life that is taken as wasted Yeah Because at the end of the day when the case went to court the court ruled on the matter that the federal government had no case And do we want to have similar patterns like we have with uh, mustafa um, and mustafa of of The chief security officer of of of abacha wants to become a presidential candidate in in Nigeria today We must allow the court system the judicial process to follow its due course We must not provide court will in the will of justice so that justice can be done and justice can be served and everybody will have confidence in the All right, finally, Julie Johnson. Before we go, I'd like you to quickly also speak on the banks ceo's meeting and Discussing the bdc forex ban, you know, they are stating that they will be able to meet up with forex genuine forex demands What's your response? What what what do you think we in Nigeria is the only nation where you see people selling foreign currency on the street What you just need to do is to go to major market And how do you have to stabilize your currency when you when every time we can hurry engages in In in in in forex in forex in forex 20 this is welcome development at least you must have control mechanism You must have a control mechanism as as regards to how the exchange treat of your of your naira to other foreign currency is done And I hope the central bank of no as as as the Deliver and the power to go ahead with this Correct directly because if you want to buy forex, you don't be buying it on the street of even buying on the street of Of legal or any part of this country But if you go to the bank to do that that will be able to regulate and that will be able to keep track of What correct is gone and then we have a unified exchange rate Not that you have one for the banks. You have for one for those that are trading Trading trading outside of the former banking banking sector is a welcome development If you're able to do that, I can assure you that our currency will stabilize go to any part of West Africa or any part of the world and see me where people will just work up to you You know open spaces until you come and buy come and buy the police will have arrested The police will arrest such people and then they will go to jail if you're able to do that naira will stabilize Then don't see the Um value increases in our lifetime in our eyes better than the naira even stronger than the naira And we want naira to be strong because once naira is strong our economy will be better And there will be opportunities for people to engage in one form of trade both local and international trade Because I'll be confident in naira and that's what you don't want naira confidence We'll be eating of the past. Okay. Thank you Thank you also. Thank you for joining us this morning. Enjoy your conversations always and we wish you a great weekend ahead Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you. All right And that was off the press a short break when we come back today in history. What happened on this day many years ago I'm going back to 2009 and 1981 and right after that our first major conversation for today. Of course, we're going to be talking about the Forex ban to bdc's here in Nigeria and how you know, we move forward from here Stay with us here on the breakfast