 If you say that I abuse animals you abuse plants You're a plant killer Drag them out. You're giving me really good content here, dude. Oh cool Do it that your way, but if you're gonna come in touch with me bro, we're gonna have a problem. Well, you're threatening me, mate Do you know me I do you watch the YouTube videos and yeah, where are you from? Okay, cool Yeah, man, you've got an interesting argument against veganism. I hear oh, bro I've been there, you know you were vegan now. You're an X vegan. I was actually brought into vegan family So my father one into a vegan family and my father's actually 67. He's still believing in it He's actually very angry with me because I'm not following his wishes anymore, you know And he's not doing it for like a big animal rights. He just believes in the energy Health well, that's not what veganism is about. It's about animal rights. Yeah, awesome Yeah, and I understand your point of view and I would probably never buy a food, you know the animal from Places where it's been cruelly treated. Yeah, exactly. Okay explain what cruel treatment is to you. What is cruel treatment? Keeping the animal out of his natural environment, okay So as long as the animal is on the soil and is given a fresh water and it's exposed to the sun, okay? I found it To be right to be used to feed our needs as a human and what happens to them in the slaughterhouse They say this cow above here. This is a dairy cow. Say she was on grass her whole life Look, you can you can see this as a as a result of our society, you know Oh, yeah, of course because we we're trying to provide our rights for everyone Trying to provide rights for everyone. Yeah, that's the you know the mission of governments, right? Government has its people and the people Expect the government provide the needs for the masses and you know back in the day. They don't always though Do they it's always activists that change the government at with the government the government always changed by activists Because if you look at human slavery in America that the government was sanctioning this human slavery and it wasn't till there was this civil war You know, so the thing is with animals the government aren't just gonna give them rights That's not how it works. We decide that it's wrong us as people and we boycott it And then we stand against it and lobby governments. They give these animals rights. You know me, but you can't give animal rights because What do you mean by animal rights? I'll tell you what I mean do it. What do you mean by animal rights? You can treat them better. That's welfare. You can't give them choice of like they can't choose for them So obviously, you know, yeah, but we give children rights and they can't choose for themselves Oh, that's that's a good point. Yeah, you know, like a child I mean, I mean basic fundamental rights like not to be enslaved treated as a product Chopped up into pieces and sold, you know, well, how you then can consume it, you know in the in the good manner You have to somehow, you know, exactly. That's my exact point You cannot consume animals without robbing them of their life and their rights and chopping them up into pieces Yeah, it's impossible Then how can you provide for people in city like this with a high quality food man? How would you do it in your in your idea? We already grow more than enough food to feed this population and the population of land animals Which is ten times our population, you know, the land animals on earth that we eat Number us ten to one. But my point is that you can't expect Feed a human body with a plant to perform on the level we meant we supposed to function I completely oppose that with scientific data, you know, you know, you have a mount mountains of science Supporting plant-based diets and it's just the evidence isn't on your team with this In my opinion all this data is just the way to manipulate and control the masses. That's a conspiracy theory That's not based in any evidence. That's your opinion like we have the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics with a big peer-reviewed statement and they were this statement was a peer-reviewed by a vegans Okay, they're saying a plant-based diet can be healthy for all stages of the lifestyle pregnancy of infancy It's the addition in essential vitamins and minerals and proteins. No, that's not true No, it's not it's just a diet that isn't well-planned is deficient now You can be a meat eater and eating the eating a deficient diet So it's not anything inherent in a plant-based diet if it's well-planned so if vegan diet is lacking vitamin B12 Then you have to only way to get it is to inject yourself in no that's not true That's not true other way can you you can get it from a supplement without injecting yourself? All right, so what's the problem that a supplement is not the same as if if it's come from a natural source What's it? Where does that B12 come from? Basically anything that has something to do with bacteria, right? So B12 is produced by bacteria that lives where? I know I got where does it come from? Well, it's a it's the way You know the energy is transmitting in our body, okay? You've just proved you know nothing about B12 so you're using that as an argument to justify an animal Holocaust This is the problem here. We can go deeper. No, no, that's fine You don't know anything about B12 and I'm not trying to make you I'm not trying to okay You feel bad or anything. I'm just saying like you're justifying something horrific right now No, and you don't know where B12 comes from. No animal makes vitamin B12 cows don't make B12 chickens Don't make it pigs don't make it no animal makes vitamin B12 Vitamin B12 is made by bacteria that live in the soil animals have B12 in their flesh because they're eating grass all day and On the roots of the grass they're eating their particles of soil and in these soil particles are these B12 producing microbes Along comes modern sanitation Nobody's drinking on the streams anymore Nobody's eating unwashed vegetables anymore and for due to modern sanitation, which is okay with me I don't want to treat cases of cholera and typhoid fever. It's okay to put chlorine in the water supply But meanwhile it's there to kill bacteria and it kills the B12 producing organism and because of modern sanitation The classic natural B12 sources have dropped out of our lives and it's for that reason that Today's vegan has to use supplemental vitamin B12 I believe methylcobalamin is the most absorbable form 500 micrograms 1000 micrograms under your tongue twice a week three times a week should meet everybody's needs I'm here for humans, bro. Me too Me too and if you were getting abused and killed and chopped up and someone was saying B12 though I'd be protecting you as well and saying that's nonsense. Do you know I mean? I'm not trying to justify the way we kill animals But I'm telling you that you can't come to me and say that to provide to give me adequate diet by feeding me with plants, bro Well, I'm telling you mountains of I don't you don't obviously know enough about nutrition for me to have a nutritional discussion with you You don't know where B12 comes from. All right. You don't know where B12 comes from to start with is it made by the bacterias? So would you like you can get it in not all right because it's fermented you can get it in sauerkraut Well, you know you can get plant-based forms of B12 already so you know so why would you justify something horrific if you know you can get B12 without stabbing an animal in the throat okay go outside of the city and Survive man Show me how many plants you will find where do you live to survive? Where do you live in the middle of the city? So why am I having that discussion with you? You don't live outside the city I'm trying to give you the natural environment that we supposed to live in and the city is not healthy environment Well, you live there. You live there. I'm telling you you can be vegan in the city right now Yeah, I'm just coming from me to you I'm just climbing the ladder to be able to tell people underneath me that this is not the way to go But I can't tell you don't do it unless I will do it first You know what I mean? I'm here to speak for the animals that have been tortured and killed for you Look, I know your background and you don't know my background. Okay, what's your background? My background. I've been born in vegan family. My father is obsessed with eating animal It sounds like he's not he's not vegan sounds like he's plant-based for health Yeah, so he's not vegan for animal rights and luckily I wasn't 100% vegan because it could be definitely worse Why? Because I was born with a So you've never been vegan. Oh, I was vegan. You said you've never been 100% vegan Yeah, I was for one year when I was 13 to 14 because I wanted to see on myself Was that a well-planned diet? Yeah, very well How did you plan your diet? Look, man? I done my absolute best to get the amount of information to look after myself At 13 years old I find that hard to believe. Okay, how old are you now? I'm very dedicated. I'm 24. So you're talking 10 years ago. The same information doesn't exist Now back then the information that we have now We have much more information and much more science now than you did when you were 13 People still suffering from eating this diet, you know People are suffering from eating a meat and dairy diet too. But because if you look at the hospital Who's who's filling up the hospital vegans? No, you know what heart disease patients? Yeah, but and you know how they treat them with carbs and processed sugar. They treat no They don't they give them bacon and eggs in the morning. What hospital are you going to? I don't give you carbs and sugar. They give you bacon and eggs They give them basically a low cholesterol diet that makes them even more prone to infections And those people are actually dying because of infections. Have you actually or you don't even know where B12 comes from? You're a scientist now when it comes to health. Yeah, I'm telling you I've been actually getting some good resources from someone like a Natasha McBrien. Who is he doctor? Who? Well, she's a doctor that treat her own child that has autism. Oh, yeah, I've heard of this She feeds in Morgan's and stuff. Yeah, yeah ridiculous not based in any science at all. That's called an anecdote She has no science man. I don't we've got science as long as we live Healthy and free life, so we're having a debate about science versus some lady who fed her kid organs and you're telling me that's research Some lady. She's actually a very well educated woman. She's a nobody Okay, and what are you then? Well, I'm referencing science. Well, and I'm really don't worry about what I say about health Reference the science. How can you tell about someone who actually helps other people to be healthy? Say she's nobody she's feeding kids organs. How is that helping anyone to be organ healthy? That's animal abuse, right? You can be healthy. You won't listen to science the point bro. What's your name again? Frank Frank? You won't listen to peer-reviewed research, but you'll listen to some lady on the internet If I wouldn't be there myself in the first place, I wouldn't try to argue. Do you realize that's ridiculous? I have my foot. Okay. Now we are obviously not Listen, you don't you won't listen to science peer-reviewed by non-vegans from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics But you'll listen to some lady. Okay. I will give you a one idea, all right Fifty years ago. We were told that saturated fat is bad for us still is cool So, you know what happened since then since then we replace our calories with sugar. You know what happened then? Who said sugar is good cardio vascular? Listen, who said sugar is good for you telling me the science We're having a health debate here was following a science based reviews Whatever you said man my English is no one said sugar is good for you. Who's standing here saying eat sugar eat sugar? Not me. I'm telling you not to stab animals. We're still recommended diet based on carbs Which is majority of plants whole whole food plant based diet is healthy for you. I don't care about what you say about that I'm talking about how do you justify it murdering animals? A dead camera is taking a video of me And I'm happy with that. It's a public place. I hope you will post it I will because if you want you just said you just said that you don't care about what I have to say Because you're not referencing any science. You're using anecdotes. I'm just telling you a science based Review in America that says that saturated fat is bad for you. Are you denying this? That's right if that is bad for you Yeah, okay, you're doing that. All right. I agree. It's bad for you So I don't I don't deny saturated fat. It is bad. What's the then connection between after dropping the saturated fat from the diet? The race of cardiovascular cardiovascular disease Alzheimer dementia diabetes Dropping saturated fat helps all those things now since since we took the fat away all those Diseases rising Exponentially how how is that possible really so you're telling me that no one eats saturated fat and cholesterol anymore are you out of your mind? Everyone eats meat dairy and eggs except for vegans. You're tripping You're tripping everyone eats saturated fat and cholesterol so you today one person you know who doesn't eat saturated fat and cholesterol You know what's in meat dairy and eggs vegans eat that we don't we don't eat saturated fat cholesterol unless we're eating coconut oil And there's no cholesterol and plant-based diet So bro you tripping you're tripping on this helping you don't know what you're talking about May so what American you don't know what you're talking about you just prove it to me You just that you just proved you don't know what you're talking about hydrates. Why how do you why is the carbohydrates? The main energy source like that. What's your brain run on? Hey, what's your brain run on on glucose? Oh, where does that come from? Well, your body can actually simulate it Yeah, go into the nature and show me the source of your sugar tell me so you prove to me You don't know nothing about what you're talking about if you can I'm an animal rights activist I know more about health than you and you're a health freak. All right, so it's pathetic. Look listen to this All right, look what's happening on the screen and you're having an argument about being told You're not you're committing animal abuse when you pay for this and how can you just sit here and you know what you're doing bro, what? Tell me what am I doing wrong to you? You're basically trying to take away who we are as humans and you're putting your ideology In order to you're paying for animal abuse What do you want me to say that we are all wrong man? You know what? I think you think this is wrong You admit this is wrong. We all trying to do our best. That's the truth No, you're not and there is no you're not ways to do things. You're a grown man You're a grown man. You need to know that you're paying for animal abuse cool You need to know that where you get me with that bro Where you get you meet out of a slaughterhouse, but I know that in my heart if I could do better I would do it. Why don't you do it then dude? Why are you arguing with me? I'm trying to do the right thing by these animals Yeah, cool, but you can't do the right thing if you if you recommend me to eat sugar in the first place I've never said that dude. Yeah, you said I just said I'm recording this mate Yeah, I told you no one told you to eat sugar I'm trying to tell you that our natural diet is not come from plants whole food plant-based diet is healthy Exist that end of discussion. We have science. You don't need to argue with me Look at the research in reality your food doesn't exist. Where did you get your food from? You think these cows exist in nature? They're selectively bred by human beings Well, I would kill something else in the nature anything that runs and has a meat. What? Whatever lives around what what would you do that? Why would you kill animals for the fat so I can see why don't you eat some nuts and seeds for that? Because you can't find that in nature man. Go into the Woolworths day. It's all right there You're full. You care where you're getting it. Well, you cares. Who cares? It's right there It's right there. It's modified in the supermarket modified these people here who are buying Products of animal abuse can walk into a supermarket and choose plant foods cool All right, I would do it because it's a practical solution. It has nothing in it plants It's it's the natured food basically that is not you know missing every essential what evidence All right, you miss me based on what evidence Provide your fucking research mate. You don't have any we've got peer-reviewed research supporting plant-based diet And you've got some lady who feeds their kids organs. It's called an anecdote I don't know if you know what an anecdote is. It's a cool story. I call this absolutely It's called a cool story. All what you're doing here. You're basically just we're trying to some is leading We're trying to protect the animals that you're abusing and I'm trying to protect the people bro from what from fucking dying on shit Diet that we feeding and getting every day. Where is your evidence? This is a conspiracy theory. You know that right? What you're spitting conspiracy theories without evidence all right, so I've provided you the research you can go look at It's a big it's a big peer-reviewed statement from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics a non-vegan organization All right, okay, and you've provided zero evidence. Oh, what they recommend they recommend what what do you mean? What do they recommend they say plant-based diets can be healthy for all stages of the life How come they can be healthy for all stages of the life are the requirements of the diet that is Essential or critical for a human health Well, it doesn't contain contain cholesterol and low in saturated fat. They're two good things Okay, because those things are what? What is the number thing number one thing in plans that fiber nutrients water? All those good things haven't eaten fiber for one year feeling absolutely fine Well, I feel sorry for your bowels. What was the next you've got corpses decomposing in your vows Do you eat a carnival diet? Yeah full carnival 95% yeah, wow that's disgusting well you can say it's disgusting, but I feel very well So your body's a tomb for animals That's what you say, but I actually believe that the animals give me the power that I hold today That's a supremacist attitude Human supremacy beautiful. What else? Yeah, I think you're an animal fiber. What's the next I think that you abuse animals And I don't think you're really conscious of the animals that suffer in the slaughterhouse If you say that I abuse animals you abuse plants You're a plant killer Drag them out. You're giving me really good content here do today because it's ridiculous You can pair an animal to a carrot and you sound like a fool Yeah, look for your community and for your listeners. You sound like a fool right now. I sound like this I'm trying to do your favor here if you think animals the same as a carrot I'm trying to do your favorite. My name is you can follow me on Instagram. We can talk about it or you can just live your life and Not abuse animals and people I'm a carrot abuser carrot and spending 10 minutes to chop it up and then cook it Are you a carrot activist? Are you a carrot activist? Just eat meat and that's it man We don't want to abuse animals. We don't want to abuse animals man. Well, cool Do it that your way, but if you're gonna come and touch me bro, we're gonna have a problem Well, you're threatening me mate. No, I'm not saying anything What are you trying to threaten me? I'm just telling you that if you're gonna try to take my natural diet away from me What are you gonna do about it? You are then going into my right. We're having a fucking discussion You're going into my right. You're not getting blended up in a fucking blender dude. My right is to eat whatever I want to eat Okay, your right is to abuse animals. Yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm buying different source anyway So, I'm definitely not touched by this. Where do they get murdered? Well, they actually live some good life They get shot in the head? They get shot in the head? Yeah. You got the head cut off? Well, if I wouldn't live in the city, I would definitely be able to go and get my own meat Are you proud of murdering animals? I'm just living the life that I was given You sound proud. I'm very proud. Okay, and if I would live in the jungle I would get animal every day, bro I don't respect you that you murder animals and think it's cool and you're smiling And I don't respect you because you're sharing absolute bullshit How? Why? You tell me the fiber is good for me, man Well, that's your first thing, bro. What the fuck, man? Fiber is good for you, bro I don't need fiber. I'm living fucking. I'm living my life Okay, you know, I never thought that. You can eat shit too for a little while before you get sick too, mate Well, all right people in Antarctica. They only eat fucking meat from fish. We're not in Antarctica There's a Woolworths right there. You can buy some plant-based food Why would I do it? Because you've been grossly misinformed and because you're abusing animals when you don't All right, let's talk about something that you maybe don't know much about. Do you know, Western A Price? That's something I like to talk about. He's a bullshit artist. What about him? Oh, why he's bullshit? He actually has evidence. No, he doesn't. No, he traveled the world and he studied the people that eat their natural diets Guy's been debunked a bunch of times. He's a bullshit artist. Look, you obviously prove that you obviously prove You don't know anything about health, right? I don't claim to be some nutritional expert either. I'm just referencing research, right? Are you reference people? I reference life, yeah It's called an anecdote when you reference research people. When you reference research, that's called science When you reference Western A Price or some lady who feeds her kids organs. All right, what's your values? Let's talk about values If you want to judge me as a human, let's talk about values. What's your value in life? Yeah, values Yeah, I want to try to do my best to em the animal views on earth. All right another What another values that you hold be honest with people cool. Yeah, beautiful So you talk from your truth as I talk from my throat talking from my truth. Yeah. Yeah, okay What else do we have in common? We're human beings beautiful and what we want to do as a human beings What are what's our we want to make it? Well, I don't know what you want to do I can't read your mind. Okay, but I want to make the world a little bit better than it is That's what we share as well. Another thing we share because this is something that we can now build something on top of you Know like because now we just start trying to take away from each other And I can't do it because you have your belief that's based on ego It's not based on ego. Yeah, it is. It's based in evidence. Yeah, it's water houses are fucking evil. All right. Okay. All right That's not ego. Yeah, it's actually it's easy. You know what is ego? I get power from eating animals That's ego. What power power from abusing the innocent You tell you I get power from eating plants, bro. What's the difference between between me and the rock? What's the plan stuff? Well, I think there's a difference between you and a carrot on the fucking global on the universal level We all want consciousness. That's ridiculous. You're not the same as a carrot If someone chopped up a carrot, I ain't gonna protect him as someone trying to stab you I'm gonna stop them if you think that you are something else than from anyone else You're the ego is I think we're different from carrots. We are all we are all one man Carrots don't deserve rights mate. You are the egoistic because I believe I believe you believe you're the same as a rock At some point. Yeah, 100% okay. Well, I'm made I'm made out of the stars Do you think like a rock you think like a rock when it comes to animal rights? Yeah, you do You don't think you don't think from their position. Yeah, you just care about filling your stomach with their bodies And I don't respect that I wish you all the best I want you and your wife be on an amazing vegan depleted nutrition diet And once your child which is like me gonna hate your parents for no, they're gonna They're gonna be appreciate they're gonna be appreciate they didn't stab animals in the throat Yeah, once your kid will be happy happy healthy strong human without braces and glasses Which is the result of eating and braces. Yeah. Have you been born on vegan diet like me? Have you been fed by soy milk like me? No soy milk. What's that gonna do to you? Well, it's all right. Oh, what means I give you the What nutrients in me? Well, that you need saturated fat. Oh, you need saturated. Yeah, you do Who said where's your evidence cholesterol your body produces your body doesn't produce cholesterol Not when you're a kid. I don't need cholesterol. Well, I'm gonna die. Oh my god. I'm gonna die Your body produces cholesterol do so you know you proving you don't know anything about Health, I'm not even a health advocate if you drink a fucking animal rights activists. I know more than you bro Look, look, I'm an animal right me down. No, I'm trying to make I'm trying to get you to do some research before you come And talk to me that I haven't done my reason you haven't otherwise. You'd know we produce our own cholesterol You would know that brother, but if you're a kid you can't do that much cholesterol That's why you drink you don't have any evidence for your clients drink a breast milk because it has an animal How long animal protein how long in your critical stage of development? Do you still drink breast milk now? Well, I would if I would have you drink cow's milk. Be honest. Yeah, you're still breastfeeding. Yeah, cool time to grow up At least I'm to grow up mate. I'm growing every day. Not a baby cow, bro Just got into a health discussion at an animal rights event. I don't like doing that It's a typical anti-vegan carnivore, but He proved that he doesn't know what he's talking about many times in that discussion and when you reference people instead of research It's called a cool story, you know, that's all it is and you have to hold your ground with him like look I don't claim to be a nutritional expert. I'm here for animal rights But when you use ridiculous justifications that you don't even have it any you haven't done any research on or any real research And you just listen to like random people on the internet, then I'm gonna call you out for it. So that's it