 psychologist and the psychiatrist, and what do they know about human beings? How much do they really know? Two or three hundred years of knowledge is that sufficient to really understand what the human being is, to know what are the means for that human being to find themselves? Ishman Bhava. Do they know that? No, they don't, because if they knew that, we would not have the kind of extreme mental issues and problems which we have in Europe, in America, in other parts of the world, Australia. So we have forgotten the gurus, we are damning them and spitting on them, and we prefer the psychologists who don't know much about the human psyche. Guruvadas, thousands of years old, it is the most ancient system of transmission.