 I know we're gonna do a coin coin toss to be fair to Scott. Remember we talked about that. Okay, so mark. You got a coin Greg you call it. So so one has the Queen on it and the other has a moose on it Okay, so let's make let's make Trump the moose Queen or moose Trump's the moose. Okay And it is her majesty There you go, Biden's first. Oh, let me say this. Let me say this keep in mind as we do this We're not for anybody. We're not on any one side on this. We go right down the middle That's because we call them like we see them. We're not gonna be for Trump We're not gonna be for Biden if Trump does something he looks deceptive or he looks like he's worried It looks like you may not be telling the truth. We're gonna tell you that we're gonna tell you why we'll say one Here's why one two three same thing for Biden if he looks like he's not being honest with us If he looks like he's stressed whatever it is. We're gonna say we see that because of one two and three So keep that in mind as we go through this. We're not on any one side here. We're right down the middle All right, you guys ready? Yeah There we go. I'm Scott Rouse my body language expert and analyst I train law enforcement the military and interrogation body language I also created with Greg Hartley body language tactics calm mark I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language I help people all over the world to stand out win trust and gain credibility every time they speak Including some of the leaders of the G7 Excellent chase Matt and Chase Hughes and best-selling author a human behavior expert also trained extreme persuasion and influence tactics to the US military and the general public Greg Greg Hartley. I'm a former Army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor I worked on this course with Scott called body language tactics calm and I spend most of my time on Wall Street and with corporate America today Awesome well today. We're gonna do is we're gonna look at the differences in stress between Biden and Trump during the debates So all you've done is taken footage from old debates and we're gonna compare them We've got a situation where where in other words Biden's being attacked We look at his stress and we've got one word Trump's being attacked and we look at his stress and we compare those So we'll do one of since we just we just did a coin toss and Biden won so he's gonna be first I don't know if that's winning but yeah So well we'll look at his we look at a short clip of Joe Biden and we'll talk about what we see in him Then we'll go to the same type of clip for President Trump and we'll tell talk about what we see with him So the reason we're doing this is so when you're watching a debate between Two people you can pick up on that person's stressors and know when their own message versus when they're feeling stress and reacting All right, so here we go. Let's take a look at Joe Biden Also, believe and it is personal and it was actually very it was hurtful To hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their Reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country and it was not only that but you also worked with them to oppose busing and And you know, there was a little girl in California Who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day and That little girl was me So I will tell you that on this subject it cannot be an intellectual debate among Democrats We have to take it seriously. We have to act swiftly as Attorney General of California. I was very proud All right chase where you got we see Right when she starts he knows the road she's going down So we see this down head downcast movement and the head downcast isn't very deceptive It's not a it's not a particularly large deception indicator or a big one But we see him either a to collect his thoughts or be to do some kind of eye blocking Which we already know from the other videos that Joe Biden is famous for eye blocking When she later says the word busing Starts to mention the topic of busing. We see a little bit more eye blocking behavior there And there is constant tension in this chin boss muscle here throughout Which typically if you talk to pretty much any expert who's actually an expert Let's say this is kind of a grief or a shame muscle. There's actually a really cool experiment They did in New York City after 9-11 New Yorkers don't talk to each other very much But they would exchange glances to each other and Just kind of raised that muscle and they called that recently just named that the shared grief expression which I thought was really cool and His blink rate goes from an 18 to a 74 in this time frame when she's talking about this So I thought that was interesting and I think there were some genuine concern Maybe some disbelief and some shock there as he turned his head and I'll let you guys dissect the rest of that Okay, great. Do you want to go? Yeah. Yeah, so this is a really good one because you see real pain in his face I mean, this is not pretend This is a great opportunity all of the muscles in your face And I'm gonna try to remember the muscles has been about a thousand years since I studied musculature So I'll have to try to remember the ones but for sure you see his brow rise and Come to a kind of a rise there in the Shane's grief muscle You also see Chase has pointed out so well that chin boss rise But if I recall correctly these are incisive us these two muscles that are right beside your nose and that run down the Long side of the face and they hollow your face when you're feeling pain or grief so that you get that look His eye contact is down to your point his chin is covering his throat except for occasionally You look up and you can't miss that blink rate. It's one of the best We've ever had I think in terms of escalation all those muscles show that he's really feeling grief He does the eye blocking piece and then he moves down to the right into an emotional Conversation and then back down to the left and internal conversation I later read he felt like he was flat-footed when this happened He was not ready for it and you can see it in his face. It's very good and very easy to see the pain in grief So Scott, what do you got? I think he's being pretty still at this point when you stand there and he's taking it You know because he sees it coming. I think when she's talking about it What he sees slowly throughout the the whole piece we see his eyebrows come together really slowly in there We see that what Greg was talking about earlier. We see that come together really slowly So it's it's growing the feel that that that feeling is going for him when she says the word bussing He blinks five times in two seconds, which is a which is a load I never paid attention to blink rate a whole lot until chase brought up every four minutes I was like geez or something there and then I When she when he's when she says on that bus, you know, she was on the bus There's blinks his blink stairs down to almost nothing goes down Nothing then when she starts when she says that he turns to her He starts staring his eyes get wider and wider and wider as not did they're not out of hand or anything They start getting wider. He's trying to get all the information he can but same time I think he's thinking about what he's got to say next because that's pretty hard to to get past But I think he does a good job doing that mark. What do you got? Yes, what's interesting for me is this is exactly what I train people for or certainly politicians for these exact moments And so what I'm seeing is some of his reactions are trained reactions and countermeasures Because he knows what's coming and then his countermeasure stops working for him because because he gets hit with some specifics that is unconscious mind It was conscious mind can't countermeasure. He wasn't expecting so I would say he's expecting something to come up around this area And so you see him play his countermeasure, which is to break eye contact and move his head Completely away and stay very very still so he breaks and there's some eye blocking there and there's some stillness But this for me is just an avoidance Tactic and it actually works quite well and I think that's why scott says, you know, it's pretty stoic What's going on there? And I think that's at this point what he's trying to present world leader stoic Good point, but look how this how I handle this like a rock then she hits him with bussing That's really super specific And so we get the downcast eyes and the eye block and and those lids stay there for a long long Time and then we get it again on little girl. That's really specific And so she pulls his eye contact back again He shouldn't be doing that that wasn't technique at all. She's really smart She's pulled him back and now she's got eye contact with him He's under real stress. So what I want people to notice is There's how he he deals with technique with the stress and then there's What he's like when he's really under the stress and on bussing and little girl That's him really under stress. That's what I got for you I also believe and it is personal and I was actually very it was hurtful To hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country And it was not only that but You also worked with them to oppose bussing And you know, there was a little girl in california Who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools And she was bussed to school every day And that little girl was me So I will tell you that on this subject It cannot be an intellectual debate among democrats. We have to take it seriously We have to act swiftly as attorney general california. I was very proud All right now let's move on to the same type of situation with president trump. Dr. Clinton. Do you want to respond? Well, like everyone else, I've spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours About what we heard and saw You know with prior republican nominees for president. I disagreed with them on politics policies principles But I never questioned their fitness to serve Donald trump is different. I said starting back in june That he was not fit to be president and commander in chief And many republicans and independents have said the same thing What we all saw and heard on friday was Donald talking about women What he thinks about women What he does to women And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is All right Greg you want to go first? Sure. He starts off by swallowing heavily. He's a heavy guy So he's got a lot of stuff going on there But he starts off by swallowing heavily and then clenching his teeth You can see that working in the side of his face and you can tell he's actually very not very happy He does something I call a chained elephant and that is All of his energy is going somewhere and he's he is Not going to use his hands because he doesn't want to leak information at the wrong time So his hands are down and he's doing that kind of that rocking thing or dancing bear Whatever you want to call it his eyes are focused on a threat But he's remembering to connect you watch him He's looking at her like I can't believe this and then he'll turn and remember He's supposed to look at the moderator and make eye contact and keep up with the audience He mouth grooms at one point does this Opens his mouth almost says something and then realizes bad idea and stops So he's he almost let that objection out and he does that weird thing that he does with pursing his lips to control that Like it was an accident and he just fixed it He purses lips several times in self-control and then when she starts to attack that chained elephant thing increases dramatically His he squints at her with a lot of scrutiny and then he does some downright eye movement Goes back to the first lips, but he controls all this Squints his eyes and looks at her, you know one of the things that I want to point out with him and with anybody like him Who came to politics from somewhere else? Politicians have to make everybody some kind of happy CEOs don't So they come in with a whole different set of body language Then people who have had to be in the public eye and make people happy along the way not he's not an entertainer I'm not taking that away from him But when you're the 800 pound gorilla you get to make your own kind of rules Once you become president you work for a whole lot more people So you see some of that here Um chase. What do you got I get to say at this time? Hey We see something here that barbara and alan peas as far as I know coined this term. It's called the fig leaf And the fig leaf behavior is when a male wraps his hands or clasps his hands in front of his genitals And for women we see a behavior that men don't do very often which is a single arm wrap Which is where one arm wraps around the body and covers the uterus. I know you can't see it here on camera But both of those behaviors are typically done during one of three Circumstances and this is when someone is feeling vulnerable Threatened or insecure And this is a classic display of this that is a this is a cherry picked example I could not have scoured the internet for a better example for you guys to see this So that is great fig leaf behaviors, which is called a genital protective behavior in the grand scheme of things We have some sour puckering, which i'm going to leave All to mark. I'm not even going to talk about it But this body swaying behavior here That we're seeing is a repetitive motion And if we go back to the grandfather all of our Body language dad for all of us his name is joe navarro He has a book called what everybody is saying. It's right here In this book he talks about this and in his keynotes He talks about this it is profound and it could fit on a post-it note any repetitive behavior is self soothing Any repetitive behavior is self soothing and I think that's great However, if you want to use this in your life So this self soothing comes from a spike in anxiety and the body says I need to burn this crap off I need to get rid of this stuff So it starts to do repetitive behaviors to burn off the energy if you're ever need Needing to control this without other people knowing curling your toes into your shoes Tightening your leg muscles if there's a table between you and the other person is a great way to burn off That excess adrenaline and I will pass it to mark What do you got? So let me all first of all address the the sour taste or the bitter taste In the mouth or what we often call the sucking of a lemon and You know, so now that's a little bit different from the lip piercing which we see later on But check back in that video for moments where you see like little indentations back here And that's the bitterness. So as as kids we start to we start this reflex because alkaloids that are in bitter tasting stuff. They're they're medicinal, but for most kids You don't want lots of it. So we develop this bitter taste to kind of push Out those alkaloid containing leaves that we might have eaten What we know is is that's the unconscious mind going oh, this is really bad medicine. This is poison There's something poisonous going on here. Look, here's what I see around here the ice I love so first of all, yeah, we'd absolutely do see that that fig leaf But also we see the the body tuck in because of that and you get minimization For somebody as big as trump and he's a big big lad. He's a big man. Okay If he starts to minimize especially he's wearing suits that are designed to create an even bigger Shoulder mass than than he even has and he's big in the shoulders anyway So we know he's under pressure here because he's literally Compressing himself in what I love to see from him is that That cheek blow that he does Yeah, you see a little bit there and um, I would say That's him saying. I'm not quite sure what to do here I don't know I'm gonna have to contain my air around this I don't think he was expecting this one He's not expecting this particular attack, which I would say from my point of view means He's not prepared this fully. In fact, I think he'd be better coached better prepared He would never be allowed to do a fig leaf. He would never be allowed to minimize We'd have a counter measure for this already. And so we get this Lip piercing there as well, which is disagreement the bigger the more extruded the lips The bigger the disagreement he does that at least twice and it and it builds So for me the interesting thing is What's triggered this what's triggered something? He doesn't know how to counter measure and I would say it's a direct Character attack on him being unfit to lead Now now that I know that now that I speculate if I can attack him his character Directly around unfitness to lead. He will be destabilized So should I be training the the his counter? That's exactly what we'd be going for to see if we can get those kind of behaviors We'd be working out ways in order to directly attack his character and say that character fault means he's unfit To lead Great to see that because you know what I'd normally expect from him if he's expecting attacks Is that he'll do a number of weird faces Like a succession of three things. I can't do it very well, but greg I've seen you do some brilliant kind of in exactly like a Like he'll do he'll do a bizarre Yeah array of a succession of of extreme facial coding Which is which is impossible to read He uses you know, I'll leave it at this but he uses All that stuff as as a regulator or as you would refer to mark a moderator He controls conversation with because he looks at you like Then people back down That's exactly it. That's exactly it greg and he doesn't do that in this situation Which makes me think he's totally off guard here And he's destabilized because for me that would be his usual go-to And he's he's he doesn't manage to execute it. That's that's my my piece on that uh Skull Take it away. Um, let's talk about that that cheek blow thing for a second because I think what we're seeing there is the same thing we saw with Robert Durst in the jinx remember the jinx where they confront him about the murders And he starts talking about that and you see him start burping Because he gets his and that's very common when someone is in that situation They see it coming or something they get information They don't know that person has and they'll they'll burp some and robert durst in the jinx on the netflix special It's it's it looks almost fake. He's doing so much. He's doing it loud right in front of the guy He's not trying to hide it. I think what we're seeing there since he got that information when she said Donald trump is different That's when you see that that little mouth thing he does then he then that little I think he's burping because if you see him almost Pushed like that y'all you see him scooch just a little bit watch when we replay this I think it's a burp because I think that's that's the digestive system You're going oh man, here we go because I then again fighter flights kicking in and everything's moving away from the things You don't need and to start swinging or running or what are we going to do at that point? He's thinking i'm loading my he's thinking about what he's going to say next So that's where he's getting into there that big that big thing where he does his mouth that Like that lance armstrong does the thing and that I coin called monkey mouth I haven't seen it a whole lot. This is similar to that for me to what looks like to me because When lance armstrong on the opera interview where she's talking to him and she's she's asking about these questions That he's got to come out and say I lied and I wasn't telling the truth yada yada all those things He'll do this and he does it like three times the interview. He just goes Like that and he looks like a monkey when he does it So I called it monkey mouth and I remember seeing that over the years people doing that and I always thought it was odd But I put that together That's part of that where your brains you're you're not even engaged with what you're doing at that point You're so far into To inter dialogue and trying to think about you're going to say next your body just starts doing weird things You start firing off these really odd things The the purse notes the note the purse lips denotes indicates Suggest um, he doesn't agree But of course he's not going to agree with anything she says Unlike biden he doesn't even look her in the eye biden will then turn around and that changes boom He's locked with you. He doesn't do that. He doesn't look at her He looks at her, but he doesn't lock eyes with her ever not once especially in this Um Another one is when he starts that stepping back and forth greg that's greg thing I mean I learned I learned that in in your in the book about lies you did greg when he's why he does the elephant thing Same thing we're gonna see in a little while where he does what talk about that the tiger's in the cage greg Yeah, this is another as you would say self soothing or as as I think desmond morris is the first guy who called it Self soothing but adapters a way to make yourself comfortable in a space you're uncomfortable in if you put a tiger in a cage It's going to pace and pace and pace and pace and pace and humans do the same thing if we're feeling something It's going to leak somewhere that adapter is his way of relaxing Moving around releasing nervous energy and he happens to have his hands in front of his crotch to your point chase great great call I call that sacred space when you make a space for yourself and make yourself comfortable in that space You own everything that's a way to soothe a hell of a lot of stress Right and then toward the end here. We see he's moved from looking like this He's almost like this as he's as his butterfly. It's kicking in and he's his head is down It's not major but if you look at the two as you go through you'll slowly see that that happening to him He's squinching up and those arms are getting tight and he's and he's he's not flexing But he's getting all tied up in there. You'll actually see him get smaller As his arms get tighter on his chest He's famous for doing as we all know his arms being squished to his chest And he'll he'll come out of there and start start gesturing do his illustrators with his arms tied to his chest Which is a little bit odd because you don't you don't see that all the time. So that's a little bit different It's a classic trump move And you guys have covered everything else So that's good for me. Dr. Clinton. Do you want to respond? Well, like everyone else, I've spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours About what we heard and saw You know with prior republican nominees for president, I disagreed with them on politics policies principles But I never questioned their fitness to serve Donald trump is different. I said starting back in june That he was not fit to be president and commander in chief And many republicans and independents have said the same thing What we all saw and heard on friday was Donald talking about women What he thinks about women What he does to women And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is But I think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is You ready to move on? Great Here we go. Nice Mr. Vice President and Senator Warren I'm the only one in this stage that's actually got it being done on health care Okay I'm the guy the president turned to and said go get the votes for obama care And I noticed what everybody's talking about is the plan that I first introduced That is to go and add to obama care provide a public option a medicare-like option It cost to increase the subsidies. It cost a lot of money. It cost 750 billion dollars over 10 years But I pay for it by making sure that mike and other people pay the same tax rate their secretary pays that That's how we get it paid number one number two You know from the moment from the moment we passed that signature legislation mike called it a disgrace number one number two Trump decided to get rid of it and number three my friends here came up with another plan But they don't tell you when you ask bernie how much it cost the last time he said that if he goes on your show He said we'll find out we'll find out or something to that effect. It cost over 35 trillion bucks. Let's get real Senator oran you get the final word on this word uh-oh As your dog mark Ha What's your dog's name peach peach multi-easy All right, great. Are mark you want to go first? Yeah, sure. Uh, here's what I see Way off his baseline here like just go and watch Any other biden and you're gonna hear A low deep chest voice with lots of calm Downward intonation. You're gonna, you know have a a slow Gentle rhythm. There's something quite Comforting essentially around joe biden's baseline. What do they call him uncle joe? Is that you know, this is the kind of the soft cuddliness? To him this isn't here at all His pitch is right up his intonation is going right up at the end of each line and and you can just Feel that cadence ramp and ramp and ramp and ramp We start to get uh the anger in in the eyes the narrowing of the eyes. We start to see the bottom teeth We certainly see lip tightness. So we've got big indicators there of anger raised voice But upward inflection, which means it's not commanding anger It's it's getting pretty out of control here And then right at the end we say we see we hear We'll find out we'll find out and the head Juts out and the forehead lowers and at that point we're then into I would say all the indicators of Anger I believe that the head Lowers because if blows are going to come from the top if you've lowered your forehead Anything is going to glance away from your eyes You stand less chance of your eyes getting attacked and they've also We're getting damaged and and they've also narrowed as well So I think what's interesting here from my point of view is somebody who would train people to To understand how to use This destabilization as an advantage the important thing here is you can get joe biden Really angry if you want to you just got to know what the triggers are but He will go there and he'll ramp himself Way out of control. I'd say uh chase. What you got? We have him constantly raising his eyebrows and the eyebrow raise Pretty much in general indicates the opposite of what anger does to our face Anger brings them down and together the the eyebrow raise is an innocence Display if you will but we're asking for confirmation Which we're confirming with that. He's raising his eyebrows up And he's also has the upward inflection at the end of his sentences Which he's also asking for agreement and he's staring at the audience asking for agreement from them asking for clapping from them He's surrounded by younger people with much higher energy So I think that's really influenced his decision on how to behave on stage We see most of his negative references. He's using his left hand Positive references is using his right hand. He's focused very much on self pronouns here very much on self pronouns and he's Distancing all of the accomplishments. He's distancing them from obama and making them his own The whole reason the the entire medical thing was successful was because of what I did and I did this And I did that so there's not very many team pronouns here So we don't see a lot of we and us in our plan We see a lot of self focus in here and Overall, we see a completely uncharacteristic joe biden here as mark much more eloquent eloquently than I said and In the end here, what we're really saying with joe biden is An out-of-baseline response So if we're watching the debates and we see the eyebrows go up for an extended period of time That's an irregular response a very good data point We see the upward tone to the end of the sentences and all the other things that we talked about here just now That's a very good data point for the debate He's coming out of his baseline and someone had has done that to him And if you want to drill down into the behavior of this Just rewind a little bit. What were the key themes elements or statements that brought him out of baseline? So if I'm if I'm working for biden's team I'm going to go back and do all of that and figure all of that stuff out and train him against that If I'm working for trump's team, I'm going to teach him how to use all of those things in the debate Scott, what do you got? Yeah, so you brought up elements and I know you've got a uh, tell them about your elements that you put together Yeah, I have a it resembles kind of a periodic table of the elements And it's got all the stressful non stressful behaviors and you can rate everybody on deception and stress on there You can download it for free. We might put it in the comments here. You just go to my website It's all over the place, but it's absolutely free. You can download it and use it to watch the debates if you want Thanks So everybody's covered all the big stuff y'all are nail it So let's I'll go to when when he's got his eyebrows up and he's locking eyes with the guy asking the questions And when he does that he's doing that so he doesn't interrupt him because when you get somebody get those eyebrows up and like Greg calls it. Um, you're looking for them for um, what do you call it? Greg? It's a request for approval Request for approval. So that's why his eyebrows are for me. It looks like this anyway His eyebrows are up and he's locking eyes. So he won't say anything. So it's like he's talking right to him That's why he's being loud and he's being loud because he's a little bit frustrated because everybody else is talking longer than he is He's finally sitting down. I've had enough of that. I'm going to go in swinging. So that's why he's getting loud Um, he sees eyes getting wide as we talked about as well because he wants to make sure that he's being listened to Nobody's going to interrupt him So out of all that stuff, that's all that's the only ones I had left. Greg. What do you got? Yeah, so I'm a little different from you guys in this case I think he's hit something I call the holy warrior and politicians are really good at what I call the holy warrior They're waiting for a trigger button. This is a lot of prepared stuff He is now that now look i'm the only one on the stage who's ever gotten anything done that that's his claim Right, he can say that right up front and nobody else there's ever been in federal government at level He has is his point He gets to this holy warrior and what the reason I call it holy warriors everything aligns his hands are up His brow is up his pitch is up his cadence is up his volume is up everything is lilting He's doing this. He's selling you. It's almost like he's a evangelical Preacher somewhere because he's got the cadence and he's got the rhythm and he's everything is running in a positive fashion like preacher would Then he gets everything I mean illustrators I always say this is request for approval and often can be deception in this case. It's not deception It's come on people. Believe me. Listen, then he gets down to its cadence message volume Even a little bit of a laughter mixed in there And I I still think it's prepared He gets the only thing he does get a brow beating moments He turns in looks and starts to attack mike bloomberg Then he drops his brow and starts to poke on him And the aggression then turns on on mike bloomberg for a minute and at the end He does a very dropped off voice compared to the rest of time and that's let's get real And he's being commanding almost to use your remarks you always say about that to me mark this When I was a kid and doing theater this reminds me of iambic pentameter That's why I think it's staged and planned that was what I saw So I agree. I think there's an element there of him being evangelistic. I think for any performer The trouble with this is have you practiced delivering this Under those conditions with that pressure. I've no doubt that he's practiced Giving this kind of thing and he may have given it in the past as well I would suggest that he's never done it under these conditions and we and we do see Real anger come out and worry my client. I'd be going You know, you're not doing that. You're not doing actual anger like nobody votes No, or certainly your voters are not voting for an angry Person right now. No, I don't think he delivers it at a very high level But my worry is look if you can go to number two, you might get to number five And if you get the number five, you you might dial up to number 10 And now we've completely lost because you lost the plot completely It's just dangerous if the politician if the client gets too emotional on the stage Yeah, I agree. I think his answer was loaded I think it's one of those he's rehearsed over to it because somebody said Now, you know, they're going to ask is this going to come up and he's always shot and just took it, you know So I think he did a great job at that Mr. Vice President and Senator Warren, I'm the only one in this stage has actually got it being done on health care Okay I'm the guy the president turned to and said go get the votes for obama care And I noticed what everybody's talking about is the plan that I first introduced That is to go and add to obama care provide a public option a medicare-like option It cost and increase the subsidies it cost a lot of money It cost 750 billion dollars over 10 years But I pay for it for making sure that Mike and other people paid the same tax rate their secretary pays that That's how we get a pay number one number two You know from the moment from the moment we passed that signature legislation Mike called it a disgrace number one number two Trump decided to get rid of it and number three my friends here came up with another plan But they don't tell you when you ask Bernie how much it cost the last time he said that if he goes on your show He said we'll find out. We'll find out how or something to that effect. It cost over 35 trillion bucks. Let's get real Senator Warren you get the final word on this word. All right, we all good. Yeah But if I win I am going to instruct my attorney general To get a special prosecutor To look into your situation because there has never been so many lies So much deception There has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor When I speak I go out and speak The people of this country are furious in my opinion The people that have been long-term workers at the fba are furious There has never been anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena You get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33 Thousand emails and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you would say a very expensive process Greg that sniff is yours. So I love this one. Well, Trump the trump sniff can be many things He counts, you know, he will count victories with a sniff This one's not that but he will count victories every time he scores a point. He'll go He's keeping track in his head. I know other people who do it all the time I live in the south not a fair not an uncommon thing in the south Not that he is southern. This is the best example of fight or flight. We're going to see in a long time It's not that he's afraid or angry every one of us Everyone of you listening everyone are you watching has been in a position where you're in an argument with someone And there's tense words and when those tense words occur that brain goes. Okay fight or flight I always say this our brain is not smart enough to tell the difference between having our rear ends chewed by a tiger Or our wife They're the same thing our bodies respond the same way. We're primitive our brain starts to function and go up I'm in trouble. I need to run in this case. It's shallow breathing Chase you talk about being able to see a person breathe in their upper chest versus their gut What happens when the shallow breathing breathing occurs is your your respiration short It might sound heavy, but it's so short. You're only filling the top of your lungs so you hear them going And you can hear him sniff in heavily a couple of times His cadence shifts because he's in an emotional state and you can see his movement of his hand shifts His word pattern shift the pitch of his voice shifts It's higher pitched because he's breathing rapidly and that air is passing his vocal cords a lot faster He's irritated. He's ready. He's angry and he's going after you can you can watch him swallow up top as well The swallowing is up high. It's not a deep relaxed kind of down here And his attack and the message and his eyes are all focused on hillary He's got one target I wish we could see him up close because I can bet you he's got some pupil dilation His blink rate is up, but his eyes are locked. That's aggression all day every day So that's this is the best fight or flight. I think we're gonna see and especially from a big man Um, and I think scott you're next in this time. All right I think everything I agree everything we're seeing here. I think it's classic trump everything from his his illustrators Illustrators are the things people use when they're they're emphasizing specific words or phrases like I just did just did right then Trump he uses almost all of him. He doesn't use that You know that three and a half where he's doing this because he's not talking about Things that are personal like that, but this is a loaded answer as well. He was he was ready for this So for this this attack Um His illustrators he's using them so much. They're almost on every word he says everything he's talking about He'll use an illustrator. He'll even switch mics and go back over here And he's using his little okay thing on the left, but he uses a little pinch thing on the right He's doing his pinch thing. That's when he's he's hitting specifics He always puts his finger spread like this and he'll hit that like that So specifically this and specifically that that's what he's doing with that I think he's trying to do that over here, but it ends up being like an okay sign as he's as he's doing that um The only says the I have a special prosecutor prosecutor look into your situation He stands you see him stand up straight like he's proud and he does that thing that joe nevara talks about where it's it's like Almost uh anti-gravity where you bounce up Joe's example is always uh when when you'll see this every time in a wedding every time the the groom sees the bride come in They'll pop up on their on their feet just a second and come back down Once when you get exciting news from someone you'll see as you're talking to him You'll see people on the phone doing the very same thing When they do that so at that point he feels like he's scored big because he's been waiting for this He's been waiting for the time. He's got I think he's got his his set You know you have fighters that get their punches down they'll have their their special punch That's one of the special punches he had ready to go for this fight and for that his opponent So I think that's what's happening here So chase, what do you got? I've got some different stuff here We see that uh, okay gesture When he's making the okay gesture If you want to know while you're watching the debates when he's prepped and ready for a statement that he's going to make Look for that gesture. That's when that's going to come out most of the time there And when he's saying I'm going to hire a special prosecutor. He switches his mic to the hand that hillary's on So now he has this barrier And I think that was a barrier while he was going through this really difficult part of what he was going to say He formed a little barrier with that microphone and you can watch if you watch this clip back You'll see him hold it differently, which I'm going to talk about in just a second But we also see anytime trump starts talking about concrete details He's talking about the details, but then when he wants your approval He'll throw in another detail and his fingers are open So take a look on any video back in the past when he's talking about concrete details Fingers are closed fingers are open when he's asking for approval Same kind of a deal great baseline And it's a great thing that goes back to his videos to larry king in the 1980s. I think 87 was his larry king interview And I attended a military academy Growing up, uh, so did Donald trump The way that you hold a military saber Is the way he held the microphone with his right hand So I don't think there's anything unusual about that But I do think that is beat into him And I think that he's feeling like he's in the moment right there and he's holding it exactly like an army saber Which I've never seen anyone really hold a microphone that way, but it's two in the front two in the back And that's how you you've got a grip on the army or whatever branch of service saber there I'll leave it at that Mark mark. What do you got lovely? So I'm with you exactly chase and so to that point. I bought a little prop with me And so what you're what you're specifically talking about Is this grip here? Which is an extraordinary mic grip Because because he's got a heavier mic than this one here And it's a lot of weight to try and carry up here Now, I think what we see I totally agree with the with the With that blocking move that he does I think it's partly to do as well With he is destabilized and so he has to change to the other one to block and then you get a different grip And then when it comes back He isn't doing the same grip He's gripping it like this so I because this is a beautifully finessed Delicate way Of working with a mic and he's destabilized enough that he doesn't go back To that grip So I and oh and and when he's over here We start to see This digging gesture That he does with this hand now. We were talking about my little Peach my little mulchie dog the mulchie is a cross between a Maltese and a shih tzu both of which are very ancient Rating dogs one ratting dog from china and one ratting dog from roman europe crossed together She loves to do this digging thing first of all to escape It's one way to get out of stuff is to dig your way out And it's another way also to get to the rat to get to The mouse the vole that you want to get and so that's what interested me about swapping to this hand Because he gets to his dominant hand and he gets to do this gesture of digging in there I would say I don't think it's an escape gesture in this case. It's like I'm really going to dig into this piece here. So I think he is He is definitely destabilized. He is definitely Fight or flight. He's definitely on the run. But at the same time He's got still some super aggressive gestures going on on there So I really love to watch that. I'm glad you concurred on on that. I'm glad I got to use a prop It's a mic. You want to know what it is, don't you? You want to know what kind of mic this is, don't you? Yeah, so it's an ev it's an ev mic. It's not a great mic. It's an ev Re 50 b It's kind of just hold it the way you're holding it with that two finger thing Yeah And kind of put your head down like this Ladies and gentlemen, mr. Mark Bowden is mr. Mark Bowden is now going to do the rainbow song I don't know the rainbow. I'll do fly me to the moon Do uh Judas Priest Green mantel issue with a three prong crown And now mark Bowden. This is definitely this is definitely a crooner's grip Yeah, this is definitely this isn't you know, that's rock Yeah, this is like this is like crooner. I've trust scott more than I do Ah But if I win I am going to instruct my attorney general To get a special prosecutor To look into your situation because there has never been so many lies So much deception There has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor When I speak I go out and speak The people of this country are furious in my opinion The people that have been long-term workers at the fba are furious There has never been anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena You get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33 Thousand emails and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you would say a very expensive process All right, is that all of us? Yeah. Yeah, I think so Let's move on Did he use his power to stop those deportations? He went right around the question mr. Vice president You want to be president of the united states? You need to be able to answer the tough questions I keep my recommendation in private unlike you. I expect you would go ahead and say whatever was said privately with him That's not what I do. All right chase. What do you got? So we see we start this video. We've got a lot of open mouth head down cast gestures here and in the grand scheme of things Might mean anything but if we see someone with their mouth hanging open and it's not a normal behavior for that person That's a need for oxygen The need for oxygen is triggered by usually just one thing and that's a spike in adrenaline So we need some kind of oxygen there. So we're doing a little bit of I'm going to break away from this I'm going to take a break. I'm going to re oxygenate my blood for just a second The head's down cast while he's listening through this question. He's processing and when he's hearing All of this he responds. He starts having trouble finishing a few of these sentences and his head jolts forward I think that forward head movement is the way that he's trying to non verbally And unconsciously force these words out and force them forward So that they will come out the sentence comes out like it should and this is just a behavior We're just looking at baseline here. So this is something I would pay attention to during the debate If he's saying a number and his head's coming forward Is there some apprehension or reservation about the actual number or the real number? Uh, so I'll I'll leave it at that. I'll pass it over to greg. What do you got? Yeah, so a few things he studies his notes as a deflection. That's all every time he wants a break He puts his head down. I saw the same thing the mouth open. He needs some air I mean, he's just gone through one attack after another This request for approval is one where he has uncertainty and he's trying to get permission from people He also when he's talking to this guy almost says the word secret Almost says the word secret and he stops and redirects to I keep it I forget what word what word he uses there But he says I don't you know, he says and stops The other thing I notice here is he closes his eyes for a second as he starts into the conversation That may be a learned behavior because he was a stutterer and he was taught how to break that And people are taught all kinds of ways to break. There are different methods. I know As concerned and grief in his face when the guy's attacking him, of course And then he does the closed eye piece and then my favorite part is he says when he almost says secret he says he turns And he says but you would probably tell everything you knew as he turns his face away from the guy Literally turning his back on him and engaging the audience It's to me It's a masterful way to get out of a hard conflict that he knows he's not doing well in because you can see the concern in space And that's what I got Scott I think you're next He's using his head as an illustrator A lot of times and he'll do that quite often And sometimes his illustrators aren't in this case aren't right on the money When someone is is you're illustrating something say i'm going i'd not going there because this happened and this happened If they don't if the illustrators don't land right on the money on those things I'm not going there because this happened and this happened and or they'll keep Going after they talk that means they're still thinking that means a lot of of internal conversations going on there They're they're they're thinking fast because he's trying to come up with a good answer So that's what i'm seeing there in in that and then you guys covered a couple things i was going to get So mark, what do you got? Yeah, so let me pick up on what chase was saying there about adrenaline One of the things that adrenaline does is to wipe out short-term memory Which means all the work that you did yesterday or just earlier on your debate prep Just disappears out of your head. So that's a real problem So what we're trying to do when we train people for this is to counter measure that adrenaline We don't want the adrenaline to happen and now people are going to go towards fight and flight It's the reason why people want to watch debates is they know it's extreme pressure They want to go look have we got somebody here who can lead us under pressure? What's our best way of testing this? All right, put them in the ring together. See how they do See who comes out like like a leader for us So we're trying to counter measure what is absolutely going to happen I think we absolutely see an adrenaline rush You know absolutely right that that that gasp for oxygen the wiping of the memory So he doesn't quite know what he's going to say He's now lost his counter measures for that stuttering. So we do see those words collapse on him Stuff doesn't start to make sense to us because we're not hearing all the words because he's not getting them out We see a vocal click there, which is which is quite usual for stuttering It's more pronounced in somebody who might maybe have has Tourette's so if you want to hear that You know listen to somebody with with Tourette's and you'll hear this vocal Clicking that you you hear from him there. He doesn't have Tourette's But yes, he he has been a stutter. He is a stutter. He's got some countermeasures for that But they're starting to disappear from him I think as we're rightly pulling forward here because there is a rush of adrenaline because something has Triggered him. So again, we'd want to go back before that and work out What's the specific thing that's going to trigger him? And if we're in opposition Can we do that again? Can we make that happen again? Because that's not going to look good That's what I got for you on that Cool Did he use his power to stop those deportations? He went right around the question. Mr. Vice president You want to be president of the United States? You need to be able to answer the tough questions I keep my recommendation in private unlike you. I expect you would go ahead and say whatever was said privately with him That's not what I do All right, everybody good. Yeah nice guys Just for the record though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually Kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. I have great respect for women Nobody has more respect for women than I do So for the record you're saying you've never did that things frankly You you hear these things they said and I was embarrassed by it But I have tremendous respect for women. Have you ever done those things have respect for me And I will tell you no, I have not and I will tell you that I'm going to make our country safe We're going to have borders on our country, which we don't have now people are pouring into our country And they're coming in from the middle east and other places We're going to make america safe again. We're going to make america great again But we're going to make america safe again and we're going to make america wealthy again because if you don't do that Uh, it just and it sounds harsh to say but we have to build up the wealth of our nation Now other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth. Thank you. Mr. Trump. That's what I want to talk about. Okay, greg what do you got? Sure, my this is a good one because he doesn't answer the question until the third ask When they ask him a question he does donald trump 101 which is have prepackaged tripwire things to say And you know, all politicians do this. I say they're like roaches when lights come on They got things they spit out so they have time to think but his is always the go-to Um, this is great tripwire. I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect than I do And you know, you can see hillary's face is all wrenched up when he's saying that but that's time for him to think Watch his arms are contained. He's not illustrating Even when he does illustrate it's from here usually but he's not illustrating not moving his hands to emphasize What he's thinking by the way a camera didn't freeze up. So I guess I don't need to go fund me for it His blink rates through the roof He is doing the dancing bear or the chained elephant as I like to call it as he's moving around there And this is a canned response on the third response He does answer the question and he says I have not with his forehead up and his eyes closed Which is an odd way to answer a true a question truthfully So he knows he's in a bind. He's saying you heard me say these words. You see his body language ramp up He there's no way to deny this and when he does the forehead up and the eyes closed it's odd It's not a normal kind of a conversation Then he goes into make america again. You'll make america great make america wealthy And his eyes make contact with the moderator very specifically. He's on message. He's doing what he does best He picks up his hands and he goes into cell mode and his blink rate decreases He's back on on path. So he's able to talk and that's what I got. Uh chase. What do you got? So we start the video off. He's holding the microphone, uh, right in the middle here And he moves it immediately off center line And I think this is him getting training from some kind of a mark bowden character Mark will you want to say Don't let anything cover the middle keep it away from the middle everything Don't cross this line with this hand. Don't go across those kinds of things So we see him revert back to this. This is a tough question. What does my training say? Okay? I'm gonna step one open up And that would be something probably mark would say. Well, I'll let you get to it. Yeah, and What we see here is a resume statement So I ask a Sexual predator what happened when This young lady was in your car at the softball field and his responses I have a master's degree in behavioral psychology. I know exactly what that would do to a kid I've been volunteering teaching here for the last 14 years. My kids are friends with david's kids So that's a resume But it also doesn't answer your question which on the behavioral table would make it at nine So there's a lot of things here that we're seeing we're seeing some eye blocking which greg already covered But there's one thing in particular that I'd like you to pay attention to here There's a psychological principle. Well, two actually that are called the primacy and recency effect This is our tendency to remember the beginning and the end of certain things So if I am trying to persuade an audience no matter what I will even interrupt the moderator of a Debate to make sure that the final message is what I really want people to remember our brains Are millions of years old They tend to remember the beginning and the end of events If you think back to your birthday party when you were a kid or christmas from a few years ago The beginning walking downstairs and seeing the presence and the end putting all that crap into a big trash bag And taking all the wrapping paper and stuff out of the house So the prime scene recency states that we're likely to remember that stuff So we'll start with that message Nobody has more respect than me and we'll end with the message. We need to make america wealthy again And that as a human is what we all of us are most likely to remember from his answer And i'll pass it to scott. What do you got? All right, great. Uh, you guys nailed a couple things I was going to hit too, but uh going back to what greg said, we're seeing behavior here That isn't normal for him. You know, we see him that it's all he's all tight. He's not moving We see no illustrators at all until what he starts talking about money as soon as he hits money Here it comes. So that's where he starts. He starts with his illustrators um Which I thought I thought was fast because it's classic. It's classic trump and um The eye blocking I think is what we're seeing when he closes his eyes and says no I no I did not and he's not looking at uh, what's that guy's name? I can't remember his name the the moderator in this case. I think it's tap is that who it is. Okay Yeah, um But that's when he Yeah, because he looks at it for a second at the person is that when he's asking the question that he doesn't look at him again Because he goes, yes, I do we've all known people you asked me a question. I guess I have I've never done that You asked me again to close her eyes. Why haven't I done that? But in this case, I think it's more of an eye blocking thing because I think he thinks he's he's busted there So he said that's no and he's kind of you know Blocking from that Oh and when he's answered his questions, he's looking at the camera when he's answered He's not looking at the moderator. He's not looking at his opponent. He's looking right down the barrel, man So which is which is classic trump? He knows where the money is, you know He looks right down where he's supposed to be looking till he's selling to so that's where I am with it You guys covered a lot of stuff and I had to mark a bunch of jack off But so mark once you wrap it up Yeah, okay. Let me tell you what I see and also, uh, tell you how I help This particular person if I was if that was what I was doing um So here's what's happening here. He's definitely under stress, but he doesn't have the counter measure for this So the stress the pressure the adrenaline is wiping out his ability to get hold of really good words and sentence structure Or locate the rhetoric that he has stored up ready to go in order to You know get get get the the party line or his line out and here's why He's stuck with this lip in mic in his hand. So first of all, I would have never allowed that to happen I'm saying we're not we're not going to have my client We're using a mic because it means that they can't use their illustrators and when you can't use your illustrators It stops the brocus area producing good words that the dexterous nature of the fingers is attached to the brocus area that does language The more dexterous you are with your fingers and your hands the longer words you can actually and and and better sentence structure You can put out but he's been hobbled with this He's also got one arm hanging down by his side, which is why you see that Flopping and waving around he hits it at the end because suddenly he realizes if I bring this up And start some of my dexterous gestures. I can get back onto my script But really his dominant hand for that is this one here And he really needs to change his mic to that or get rid of it and get both hands involved And then he would have got himself back out of fight and flight and back into his learned Structures, so Yeah, we've absolutely got him under stress and pressure here. He doesn't have the countermeasures He doesn't know what to do When he feels that stress and pressure to countermeasure that So so, you know, let's see in in debates whether he's improved Around that and whether his teams will allow him to have a handheld mic or not there. That's what I got for you Just for the record though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually Kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. I have great respect for women Nobody has more respect for women than I do So for the record, you're saying you've never did that things that frankly You you hear these things are set and I was embarrassed by it But I have tremendous respect for women have you ever done those things have respect for me And I will tell you no, I have not and I will tell you that I'm going to make our country safe We're going to have borders on our country, which we don't have now people are pouring into our country And they're coming in from the middle east and other places We're going to make america safe again. We're going to make america great again But we're going to make america safe again and we're going to make america wealthy again because if you don't do that Uh, it just and it sounds harsh to say but we have to build up the wealth of our nation right now Other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth. Thank you. Mr. John. That's what I want to talk about all right, well, there we go and our Look at the stress in the in the in the two, I guess we're going to call them opponents for the debates and uh I guess that's it for this one. So if you like our channel, you like what we're doing Go ahead and subscribe and hit that little bell so it lets you know when some news come out All right, anybody else want to wrap up with anything else chase? Where'd you say we get the uh Table of elements Just uh chase use.com Okay, cool. All right. Is everybody good? Yeah. Thanks everybody. Yep. See you next time