 We'll call the meeting orders for just around 7 o'clock. We have a quorum. One of our members will be absent tonight. He's a vacationing. Undisclosed location Jeff airs. So we have 4 of us tonight. I've been looking for public comment at this point. Is there anyone on the zoom that wish to make any public comment. The message in the chapter is a second. Nope, no public comments on zoom. Okay. We have just 2 items on the agenda. Well, 3, but under other business, but the 1st 1 on the agenda tonight is the. Police hiring and retention and sensitive and I'll turn it over to Eric who will be introducing she fully to that more. Thanks, Terry. So the sort of the Wilson police department, like many police departments right now is faced with the challenge of maintaining staffing. This challenge is being faced by departments throughout Vermont and on a broader scale throughout the country through the challenge is the pool of certified officers and you recruit recruits is small coupled with officers assigned lead profession for a new career path retirement. Currently, we have 2 open positions in the Wilson police department. Another 2 officers police academy. When fully staff, there are 17 sworn officers in the department, the clean patrol officers, sergeant, lieutenant and chief. The men and women of Wilson police have continued to provide high quality and dedicated service to the community working through the short staffing and COVID-19 pandemic of the past 2 years. Our police leadership chief fully lieutenant more have been working to bring department staffing back to full strength and develop ways to work to achieve that goal. They propose a new financial incentive similar to what is being offered by other departments for retention and hiring. I worked with both the chief new tenants to review their proposal before bringing to the select board this evening. This proposal will be over multiple years to spread out the incentive. I'll provide a brief overview for the board then I'll turn over the chief new tenant for their comments. So there's 2 parts of this proposal. The 1st is a retention incentive. It would be disbursements for each sworn officer employed as of April 1st of this year. We look to do the disbursements and 3 installments the 1st in May of $2,500 the 2nd in May of 2023 of $2,500 in the 3rd in May of 2024. There's a type of my notes here of $5,000. The hiring incentive would be for disbursements for newly hired for Mont certified level 3 officers following that same progression. The 1st disbursement of $2,500 following successful completion of probation, which is 12 months. 2nd disbursement 12 months after the 1st incentive payment and the 3rd 12 months after the 2nd incentive payment. It also have a disbursement for newly hired uncertified officers. 2500 following graduation from the police academy field training and successful completion of probation, which is 12 months and then 12 months after the 1st incentive payment would be the 2nd incentive payment under the proposal. I will if this program were established prior to each wave of these disbursements, the select where we asked to provide direction, the staff on the funding for each source. Possible funding sources include department operating budget savings in the current fiscal year, American rescue plan act, our funds, a future budgets, or any combination. So, I'll pause. If there's any initial question from the board, I can turn to our police the year shift for their comments on. Who it could probably go directly to the presentation, the chief from the lieutenant at this point, we'll look at the questions after that. Good evening. Thank you for this opportunity to address the awarding. As you're well aware, this issue has been front court for us for the last year when the commission of public safety. The survey looked outlining the troubles of recruiting officers here in the state of Vermont and the projections for this current year. They looked at other agencies outside of Vermont looking at alternatives how to recruit and a few of them had bonuses, either retention bonuses or hiring bonuses. And so I tasked lieutenant law to do his own research and come up with some ideas and then we brainstormed it. So, I'm going to ask the water to speak about what he did. It's basically address the memo that we sent to the town manager back in February and then we'll discuss, you know, how we came up with the numbers. Yeah, so in any walk of life right now, it's, it's hard to find people for law enforcement. It's 10 for having a hard time finding people that are interested in the profession. And we're also having a hard time keeping the people that we currently have. So we've kind of thought outside the box here and thought about different ways on how to lure people to work for us here at the Wilson Police Department. But more importantly, we've got to keep the staff that we currently have a lot of time and money invested into each employee. And, you know, we have a really well rounded group right now that we really have to maintain here at the police department to provide community service. I won't go through the entire memo. I think most people have had a second to go through it. I think it's important to know that this town obviously is growing at a very fast rate right now, commercially and residentially, we're looking at about a 10% increase every single year when it comes to the call hall. And with the current staffing levels, it's just not sustainable to keep asking our employees to work as many hours as they are and carrying is such large case loads as they are. So this plan is hopefully a good bridge to that where we can kind of get some other people interested in coming to work for the police department help alleviate some of the long hours and the call volume that our current staff is seeing and really help us. Move into the future in regards to providing different types of services to to the community, the comfort dog program that we have that was established a couple years ago has. Garner just great support from everybody and unfortunately right now, Oscar Coleman and do they're they're kind of being pulled back into the rotation where they're responding to calls on a daily basis. So that's one one avenue that if we can get some more staff and they can then kind of tailor back to where they should. Be which is, you know, providing community outreach and get back into the schools so that, you know, this type of a an opportunity would help alleviate a lot of those, those pressures that that our staff is facing if you go through, I noted some local departments that are doing some incentives when it comes to some bonuses. I also threw in a couple that are out West. I want to thank the telemanager because he did really step up and help brainstorm some of these and the plan that we that we put forward is a really robust plan. You know, it puts a lot of emphasis on our current staff. It puts a emphasis on recruiting some people that are fully trained in 1 caveat that I think is really a good lure is the incentive or non certified people. So that kind of sets us aside from some of these other departments to maybe get some people that are recently graduating college or maybe looking for a career change. You know, it kind of puts us out there a little bit as as being a little bit different maybe than some of the other departments in the area. So, other than that, yeah, well, we did with the the cost and we signed a new contract beginning of December. So, the incentive we have pretty much parallels the next 3 years of the union contract, we have some built in incentives in there increased the longevity. We have added. Incentive for degrees because there's a push on getting people college degrees into law enforcement. So better educated and all that. So, what we recommended is that, you know, we took a figure of $10,000 and built it over 3 years. So the 1st payment we'd be looking at would be a $2500 stipend beginning of the 1st paper, I believe, and then a year later, May of 2023, another $2500 and then in the 3rd year, which would be much close to the last year contract, we'd be increased at the $5,000. So, again, it rewards the the offices were here that over the next 3 years, we will, you know, give them stipends to keep them here, you know, and show that they're really appreciate it. Likewise, when we look for people coming in, we have a format of addressing those who either have certification that can, you know, do a minimum part time or not part time, but field service field training and then get them right on the road. Or people who need to go to the academy, get their academy certification, we will reward them based on when they graduate from the academy. And again, we follow that also in the the we hired somebody who's newly hired level 3, which we're about the same thing is after they get probationary period, we would reward them with a stipend of $2500, 12 months after that, another $2500 and then the last 12 months later, another $500. Consistent with retention bonus. So it rewards them and then for those who are newly answer it applied, we would go after graduation of the police academy and completing their probation. They would get $2500 and then 12 months after that, they would get another $2500. So again, it works closely and rewarding everybody that we have in our agents. You know, right now, you know, we're asking them to do a lot with the with the lack, you know, we have, you know, two offices in the academy, they're only in the second week. So they have, you know, still 16 more weeks to go. We have the two vacancies and then we have another office and we have a sickness in the department. So again, that's technically five positions we don't have. So both myself and Lieutenant are picking up a lot of loose ends also and we've got offices working, you know, in addition to the 12 hour shifts, they're actually working, you know, maybe four or six more hours addition to that. So everybody has family and we have children. So again, we need to figure out a way to track candidates here and we water coming here and show our appreciation to the current staff that have stuck it out. And so we look towards the board this evening to support us and hopefully, you know, it seems like we're back here a lot over the last year and, you know, this is, you know, everybody's in the same boat. And I think, you know, it's got to be some turnaround, but I think if we articulate, you know, our support for the law enforcement community here and most and show the business community and the residents. We want to maintain a strong police department. We want to improve the best. I think, you know, and the long one. Questions from the board my question was, uh, so I noted, noted that, you know, the, um, the incentive some sets for retention purposes on May, 2024, um, there is not the same stipulation for the hiring incentive that correct. Right. It all depends when they we get, right. So, just wanted to clarify that question. Absolutely question. Well, our officer will simply start out for six years and then finally, uh, I just wanted to say very quickly that this proposal has the full back and the union and its members. Um, thank everybody that was involved and I said that we're fortunate that it helps other questions from the board. Not a question, but a comment in my correct that a number of the other towns around us are doing like hiring incentives, but not long gen, not incentive for the people who have been there. Yeah, it's funny asset because we just saw one come through a few hours back from South Burlington. They just they just going through today that one from what I saw, I didn't have anything for current employees, but it was a hiring bonus. They broke it down by years of service. If you're a lateral and it goes up to $10,000. So that that that was something that we just we just saw this evening. So it's kind of it's kind of the new realm. I think I think, you know, we're at the beginning of it. I might guess would be that these other departments are probably going to start doing something similar. But, you know, the pool of certified law enforcement officers in the state is getting smaller and smaller. By the month. So, you know, there's a lot of experience out there and we got to make sure that we keep the experience that we have. And you said that the call volume increases about 10% each year upon each year upon each year. As of right now, yes. So if you look back, obviously, COVID we're shut down here for a little bit when the world was kind of on pause. But you can just look in 2017 from 2017 to 2021, or about 1400 calls more already. So, and this year is on track to well surpassed 2021 numbers. So, you know, with with the expansion of the commercial district and the residential neighborhoods that are being put in, I can only imagine that it's going to continue that trend. All right. Thank you. I think this is necessary. And I'm in favor of it. No other questions or comments. Thank you. Other questions. Yeah, thanks for obviously all your efforts. I'm in full support. I just, I'm going back to the retention incentive because I just, I know your officer group are six years and I just looked at just the breakdown of, you know, the money. Not that I want to push money out for no reason, but obviously there's a lot of folks that've been here longer than the three year piece that's in here. And I just, I just kind of wonder, like, is that enough to reward those folks that have actually been in the trenches that long. Yeah, it's funny. So, like, Arthur Buford is in his sixth year. He's actually one of our most senior patrolmen. So 65% of our current staff is actually at that number or less from the service in the town of Wilson. So, I'm just thinking of that other, that other 35%. Yeah, we do have, we have one supervisor that's been here 30 years now. Another one that's in the 25 range. So we have a couple that have been here and been here a long time. That would be my only, like, not a concern, but just a thought, I guess, because I hear, you know, you're coming in, you know, in third chipped hours to cover. And it's, that's just one thing that kind of stuck out. But no, I'm in full support of that. I think you folks have an incredible service and not only to attract new buyers, but to keep what we have. That was just a comment. So, yeah, there were sign on bonuses years ago floating around. They never picked up like they are now. I'm a believer though that if you're going to do a sign on bonus for somebody that certified, you need to reward the people that you got. So I think that doing a, an even split making it fair is more appropriate. And that's something we talk about, you know, and we needed to start a point. So the shirt thousand was, we felt it was a good number. Yeah. You know, and then look at the contract and just sign is that this is almost along the way in the salary scale, plus the increase in longevity and the increase in adding, you know, so adding the educational incentives. So again, you know, we have, and again, if we see, you know, the other area of departments will all start in the contract negotiation also. So, you know, we started it. So we might have to like catch up a little down the road because this is a starting point. Totally agree. And I know there's other factors into the retention of other folks. So now, but thanks again. Good proposal. I mentioned it before, but, you know, the kind of theme we had with our budget this year had been, you know, around, around community and safety. And I see this very much as an extenuation of that. I only see how it benefits our community to have a police force that is been with the town is knowledgeable of our town is committed to being here and feels valued by our community. And so this is some small way that we can show our appreciation for those who have been with us. And hopefully incentivize them to continue to be with us for a long time to come. So thank you. If there are no other questions and there's a motion is has been suggested. I move that the town manager be and hereby is authorized to implement for the town of will list and police department. A hiring and retention incentive pay plan subject to allowable adequate funding and appropriation to include without limitation budgetary savings. American rescue plan act funds future budget allocations or any combination thereof as outlined in the memo dated March 29 2022. Is there a second? Second. Sorry, discussion of the motion. Hearing none. All those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. They oppose and no abstentions. So congratulations and thank you very much for the presentation and the thank you for your service. Yes. Moving right along to the next time on the agenda is the ARPA funding and the possible capital projects general overview. And Eric, I'll start this off. Yep. So kind of the main part of the show this evening is testing and talk about our funding. We had some initial discussions during the budget process, but this is certainly a large topic for for the board this coming year and into the future here. So I'll kind of preface it for folks watching at home. This is this is the starting point in the first of what anticipated to be many discussions on this topic. So tonight we'll bring to the board kind of a deeper dive on some infrastructure projects for informational purposes for the board looking at some products in our capital. And you'll hear from a sergeant shepherd in our police department talking about communications needs with radio infrastructure and our public works director Bruce war looking at public works infrastructure. And I'll couple items and to round it out at the end here. So to just kind of recap where we are folks watching at home, the town's receiving $3 million in American Rescue Plan Act funds appropriate by Congress last year in response to the COVID-19 pandemic conditions of that plan. The spending plan must be complete by the end of 2024 and those funds must be spent by the end of 2020. In January, the US Treasury Department released a final rule regarding how our funds could be spent. And a large component of this was a change in the initial rule of a standard allowance of the $10 million. This allows the town to use 100% of its $3 million of federal government expenditures. Thus, it gives the town the maximum amount of flexibility to decide how to spend these funds. During the FY23 budget process, the select were allocated $669,000 funds towards capital projects and general fund operating revenue. This leaves just over $2.3 million remaining to allocate. That's the job ahead of the board in the month and perhaps years to come here. So there's several approaches for the select board to look at and taking on this task. And again, there's time to make these decisions. Then incrementally, there's over two and a half years to continue to evaluate and leverage future funding sources and opportunities weighing the town's needs. I approved at March 15 a possible approach for the board to consider as you're having these initial discussions. I call it the three bucket approach for lack of a better term. These three buckets, one looking at capital projects, one project reflective town goals. The third bucket serving as reserve for allocation over time or general fund reserve dollars as well. If the board decides it wants to use this framework to make its art for decisions. The work in cracking the spending plan is how much to initially fill up these buckets. With these ARPA funds and for what use and it's understanding that these allocations could shift from that reserve bucket over a period of time and these decisions can be made. So I'll pause at any initial questions from from the board on this and I can get started shepherd to this presentation. And the initial questions for Eric on this looks like we would perhaps at the end of this meeting might want to decide whether you would like to three bucket method or not. And then we'll continue on with other discussion later on. Well, I guess we're ready for. Okay, he's going to join us over zoom this evening. So I'll get started shepherd connected. Good evening. Can everyone hear me? We can. Perfect. Let me share my screen here. Can folks see that presentation screen up again. Yep. Perfect. Good evening. I'm Sergeant Eric shepherd. I am here this evening. Most everyone knows me. I'm here this evening to talk about the public safety communications infrastructure here in Williston. This is going to play hopefully a part in all these ARPA funds but also bring to light issues and concerns and a path forward for us regarding the public safety communications infrastructure in the town of Williston. I'll say up front that this presentation is not meant to be overly technical. I'm happy to entertain any technical questions but I kept this as a very high level overview of what we need to do going forward or what we should do going forward to improve communications infrastructure in the town of Williston. The purpose of this presentation is to bring those issues to light and also to show that we have a comprehensive solution in the works to repair the issues and bring the towns, the entire radio system for the town up to date. That includes police, fire and EMS. Why, why are we having issues and why has this become an issue. Basically, there's two pieces to this. The first part is that our current radio communications infrastructure in Williston is fast aging and it's in need of replacement. The other portion of this is the town is growing. As you've heard from Lieutenant Moore and the chief, obviously our call call volume is growing like 10% every year. We have a geographic piece of Williston that's growing in population here, and we need to provide radio services to keep our first responders safe and to communicate with folks. We're finding it tougher and tougher to do as the town grows and our infrastructure stays stays the same. So I'm going to break it down and talk about the two pieces of this. On the fire department side of the house, we have a single radio repeater that repeater is actually housed at the fire department. That repeater and our consoles in the office are actually more than 10 years old, and we have some parts that are actually from the mid 1990s that can no longer be repaired anymore if they break we actually have to go and acquire completely new equipment. On the fire department side of the house their tactical channel is actually sitting inside of a shed that this year was so badly infested with mice that the electrical system had to be entirely revamped. They actually had to have a professional company come in and clean out the hut that it was in due to the infestation. And we're also sort of verging on everything needing to be digital capable and not everything that we have is digital capable. The other piece to this is the inadequate coverage that we have our current single site systems are no longer adequate to cover the growing town in many areas of the town there's very little or poor coverage from a portable radio. Again, spreading infrastructure it's not just that half corners area we're seeing more and more places, and the more buildings that we have the more interference that there is, and the more the less that we're able to communicate with each other. The other safety entities are actually reporting within the last year, serious incidents where radio coverage has been an issue. I can speak firsthand on the police side of the house. We had a fight between two officers and a suspect that was wanted for a violent felony warrant. The Portables had no reception. The suspect actually ended up escaping and both officers were injured in that fight on a fire and EMS side of the house. They're unable to call out from inside of many of the buildings, even in the tap corners area, and they're unable to communicate during a structure fire with good reliability. This lack of coverage means that first responders cannot reach each other, and they cannot reach dispatch and that's a problem for safety. How do we fix this. This is something that we've been talking about since longer than I've been here and I started in 2009. There's all kinds of ideas that have been floated around talking about antennas on top of recycled telephone poles. We need to move fast to, you know, all kinds of other other issues, or other other resolutions to the issue, but we need a public safety grade answer, which is reliable and serviceable. So, we basically started and said, we need to identify that we need to move our equipment to a higher elevation, higher elevation is better coverage, and then we may or may not need to use more than one location a transmit and receive from. In this process, I have spent a very amount large amount of time trying to find places to move our infrastructure to it's fairly easy though because we can really only use high elevation places. The biggest problem we've had is that the town of Wilson sits in the approach path to the airport. Ideally the goal was a single site system on the top of knob hill town owns the top of knob hill. It actually was one of the highest spots that we could put something. We just studied the FAA and they turn around and told me absolutely not because of the flight path. We looked at all kinds of places inside and outside of town but we ran in issues with the flight path conservation land radio interference or just simply, it was unavailable to us. This is a quick map of the town and all those little red, red little towers were areas that we looked at to place communications infrastructure that's about 20 places. We're essentially not viable except for the few that I'll discuss here. The plan that we've came come up with is in short, we're going to try to rebuild the tower at 64 old creamery road. We're going to combine that with to receive only sites and one more transmit location that's to be determined. That was that old creamery site was the highest elevation we could locate, which was considered viable from the FAA and also more or less available to us for it for discussions from a landowners ownership perspective. And doing this also breaks our project down into stages that way we can balance speed of getting this issue resolved with first responder safety and with economic interests. And as a quick note here, the this map that I have up here is actually the approach path to the airport and that little crosshair is 64 old creamery road. We are quite literally on the fringes of where we can do something and where we can put a tower. We are very, very, very lucky another 20 or 30 feet in the westerly direction, and we would be unable to put a tower there and that would really put us in a predicament. We would be spending many times what we're looking at to accomplish the radio coverage that we would need. So let's establish a baseline. The current police, which is UHF portable coverage is that right there. Obviously everyone recognizes the map of Williston. Red and pink is excellent yellow and green is good coverage and blue is moderate. As you can see the majority of the town is actually not covered by our portable reception. It will say it is slightly better than this map. This is an approximation, but it's not much better than that. Obviously the majority of our buildings are within that section, but unfortunately inside of buildings, we may not see that coverage. So step number one in repairing this is actually to put up that tower 64 old creamery road and move our current repeater or a new repeater to that location. This is what it does to our coverage. It absolutely increases it by a significant portion. Obviously you'll notice there are sections of town that are not covered, but this is step one in our project. And obviously it looks significantly better than that. On the left side, obviously you'll see that there's a significant amount of coverage increase. We should not see any decreases necessarily anywhere should be increases. But obviously we need more. So multiple sites are going to be needed. There's geographic challenges of the town and the sheer number of buildings. Even areas that are showing up as good coverage may not experience it. So we're going to need more coverage in for the urban areas. We have second transmit site to the north to take care of that and to address some of those dead zones. We're also going to need additional receive sites to increase that in building coverage. Of note in this project that southeastern quadrant of town that sort of lacked a little bit as you can see down there may still lack some coverage on the mainly on the police side. So we're going to need to have a solution right now at this point in time. We're trying to achieve a balance between cost and coverage and maybe a discussion to have at some point in the future, but for now we just we simply need to increase what we have as best we can and be fiscally responsible. We do this all and do this all correctly with two transmit sites and two extra received receive sites this is what it's going to look like as an approximation of a map in this map the color really doesn't matter as long as it's shaded with with a color there's reception. The areas where there's not any reception or poor reception, mostly farmland and also very tough if you'll notice to the east that's really French Hill, we have no good way of providing a lot of good coverage there on the police side of the house. And we're okay with that for now. On the fire side of the house they actually use VHF. And if all goes accordingly and we can get approved for everything. That's what they'll look like. Unfortunately, we can't just switch to VHF all the police agencies on UHF. There's different propagation between UHF and VHF. They'll see a little bit better coverage in the open we'll see a little bit better urban coverage. So the important question here is cost. So what I did is actually broke it down into two phases to spread out the cost due to the large cost of this. It suggested that the town consider using some ARPA funds to at least accomplish the first phase of the project. Phase number one would be the actual construction of a new tower at 64 criminal road, and then improvements to a second transmitter site and then infrastructure for a receive only site. Basically it's the preparation the groundwork for the rest of the project. What we do is we move the present equipment right to 64 criminal road immediately, and that would provide us with that first map that I showed everyone where there's going to be increased coverage but not perfect coverage. The only caveat to this is it does not help phase one does not help the fire in the MS folks with a dispatch channel. That's presently run by Shelburne only their tactical channel would actually benefit from this for now. Again one one piece of the puzzle at the time. The phase one cost is approximately $580,000. It's going to be broken down into 461,000 for the tower and the shelter at 64 criminal road $80,000 and microwave links between fire and the tower, 21,000 for existing tower to improve an existing tower and another $16,000 for an additional site. Although I will say this, these costs are subject to price increases. At the moment we're seeing 10 to 20% cost increases due to inflation. Just in the last 30 days alone so this number I may have to go back and re re quote absolutely everything to give an accurate number. The caveat to this is we would also need to reach a land release deal with the owner of 64 criminal road, and as well as two other sites that we're considering using. Permitting approval would be necessary from the public utility commission for the 64 criminal road site. So that is our first. Once we choose to move forward if that's the direction the select board wants to go eventually. That would be our first step is working on permitting because without those permits we can't move forward. Should the select board wish to proceed. We need to discuss that lease agreement if we can secure permits in a timely manner. The tower could be built as early as the end of 2022. I will say that a quick build is critical to ensure the current FAA study for the tower does not expire. If we wait and the approval expires we risk not being able to build on the site at all. If we can't do that, our costs would increase several times over because we would need much lower quality sites and several of them as opposed to simply the to transmit and to receive sites. Basically the process is going to be permitting. We're going to talk to the shelter companies. There's only one tower and construction company that's here in Vermont who can build it, and we would bid out all of the site work for the actual site itself. That would be a complete phase two would be replacing the actual electronics for the system and migrating from a single site system to multiple sites and that would see the greatest increase in the coverage to the town. Unfortunately, the cost for this is not it's not cheap. It's approximately 1.5 million. We could break it down into sub phases should that be necessary that we were not spending that all at once, but really the final improvement is going to be when all of this is said and done. The goal is going to be that the police, the police dispatch channel police operations channel, the fire and EMS dispatch channel, and their tactical channel would become repeated multi site systems systems improvements the consoles will be made at that time to support the system. But keep in mind, I'm going to create the system or I'm designing a system as being moldable for various dispatch models. Should our dispatch model change. There's going to be a cost to shift that functionality. However, it's significantly cheaper, because we're planning it from the base up. During this process we're also going to be working with another municipality to explore some redundancy across radio systems in two locations, and no expense extra expense to us and none to them. We're each going to develop our own systems, and then we're going to have pieces that we can actually combine to create redundancy in this system without us having to expend extra money. The breakdown on this is pretty much the core infrastructure is about 560,000, another 150,000 and microwave equipment in building equipment is going to be about 270,000 that's to receive the signals in that's for us to be able to hear everything. That's for the fire department to hear their channels inside the building, and then the installation warranty project management, all the other things that go with it is about another 520,000. Again, as with phase one, the longer we wait the higher these costs go, we're already seeing a 10 to 20% increase in these costs that I've shown, and I expect it's probably going to continue on that trend. Is this a perfect solution to have I come up with something that's absolutely perfect. No, we may, we may find that certain specific buildings have poor coverage, there may be some small dead zones again in the east side of the town and the south side of the town in the very corner, but we have to balance costs and resources gain that last 5% of coverage, maybe a 5075 100% more costs of for that additional coverage. We have solutions we have ways of mitigating that. We have not been able to find good locations for some of to put additional equipment, but by implementing this project we're actually setting ourselves up to be able to make those investments in the future at a much lower cost than it would be available right now. In conclusion on this project on this presentation. Well the project's not insignificant in terms of cost is 100% necessary. We have to maintain what we have we have to improve what we have and we have to adapt to the changing infrastructure in the town. No one sites going to cover the whole town as it's been able to do in the past. Another thing that we have now is is pretty much no longer serviceable emergency and piecemeal repairs are going to be extremely expensive and may end up costing us a lot more in the end. Obviously, first responder safety is a priority to us, the ability to respond for calls to calls for service both on the police fire and EMS ends of the house. And that's why we've kind of designed this project to be all encompassing and to provide as much bang for the block as possible. With that I'm going to actually open it up to you guys if you have anyone has any questions I am happy to answer whatever I can. Thank you very much for the presentation board members to have questions for the sergeant. Terry if I could just add a detail for the board. So that the current property owner of 64 old creamy old creamy road is from electric co-op and we've been engaged in conversations with our leadership team as sergeant shepherds from working the scope this project out and. I'll just share that they're very supportive of this project and should the town be interested in moving forward. We certainly feel we can have some some good dialogue with them moving ahead as the next detail would be to work on agreement for the property so. We've it wouldn't be just starting a conversation with folks we've we've kept them in the loop as we've started to explore this. So any idea how long it would take for the the permit to be approved by the public utilities car group. I don't have a good gauge of that just yet and we have an in Barton in one of these in my experience, but that would be one of the first things we'd look at to get a get a sense what their docket looks like. The reason we expect for when that could be the up on their agenda. Questions. What's the the expiry date on the study. I believe it is February of 2023. Okay. Not imminent but not. So the our biggest problem is going to be again we've got to walk through the whole process by the time we talk to VEC by the time we do our permitting by time we bid everything out and then you know winter hits we may have trouble. The biggest thing is they basically have to dig a giant hole and dump 10 trucks of concrete into the hole for a base for this and that's if we don't do it before then. If we don't do it before the winter hits, then we may be a little bit stuck. We were on the risk of them saying no to an extension. Other questions. I think it's I think I know the answer this but this. The new system you're proposing it wouldn't really have any it wouldn't be impacted at all by the by the change if we had a change in dispatch. Right. There is going to be some cost to for us to hook into the infrastructure at regional if it goes that direction, but that would be no matter what system we have our current system or anything else. I made sure to design this system as being moldable. If we need to go to regional we can pivot to that if we're going to continue how we are we can remain there etc. So I've designed this as being moldable and adaptable. Thanks. Other questions. So we have lots of things to consider on this and especially the cost and. So, we will need to do that. I think in relatively short order to make sure that we can. Continue doing what needs to be done and then certainly with a with a cost of this magnitude for the full project. It's likely the board meeting you consider a bond a bond. Whether it's the the full project or a component using off sets. You know, Sergeant Shepard presented perhaps phase 1 is using our funds and then the balance is using a bond note or some other methods over a period of time to get that additional structure. Have we ever done that? Have we ever started a major project and said, okay, the 1st part is paid for, but the 2nd part we're going to have to ask the voters for a bond. Gosh, I hope they're in a good mood. Part of the considerations here is how to how to approach that component. Yeah, certainly something staff can think more about and then how to have it design this. But I agree to have a have a tower and not put anything on it. The good part about it is, if you guys chose to fund phase one with the ARPA ARPA funds, we could actually move our current infrastructure there so for whatever reason, it decided not to be funded. We would still see a significant improvement. Obviously, I was able to show you those maps we would still see that significant improvement in our in our coverage it would not be what we need to be, but it would be on our way there. That's good information. I don't know. It's all recognized all the work such as shepherds put into this project spent months and months to get it to this point with a lot. You know, it's his expertise on this real asset to the town that we have someone in house and expertise. So I just want to thank him for all this work. Great, great presentation. Sergeant. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. When would if we just the first thing I think we need to decide at some point quickly is to whether we're not. We are going to apply for the permit from the. I'm not sure. What time frame we're looking at that at this. I would look in that with the next few weeks. I'll I'll reach out to the public utilities commission and get a better sense of what what that looks like and. What would need an application to be considered whether the fiscal component need to be lined up or whether it can be considered on project scope at that stage because I. This could be the longest longest component for permitting from a from a state regulatory. Are there any permits required from active 50? I believe the public utilities commission would would cover that I can I would confirm that I had a conversation with the planning director on that. I think the public utilities commission would take the jurisdiction here, but I'll I'll confirm that as part of part of the process with. Okay, and I think we're looking for more information to. Go forward with this. I don't hear the objection to going forward. With this, so that's a step in the right direction. Yep. All right. Thank you, Sergeant. We appreciate the presentation. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Thanks. Thank you. And we're going to Bruce, I guess for public works. Okay. Excuse me. So. Provided a memo. Excuse me to Eric, which I'm sure you all have. I receive and a. Two page list for lack of a better term of projects. And I looked at this is two different. Things one was. Yeah, we can definitely use the two point whatever million dollars. We can use the two point. We can use the two point. Public works. But also to just try to give an education on. What really is out there. So that was the intent of. Wait a bit of this. So you can see on the attached. Total about 19 different projects that by no means encompasses all the infrastructure in the town of Williston. So that's the one exception that we'll talk about. So. I mean, we could spend. It's been another 9 million dollars just bringing roads up to really to go after them and get them up to speed. But anyway, so 19 projects on here, all of which. For the most part already at our capital improvement program. With the exception of one that's on the tip as well. I don't think we have that right now. We had it. We had a sheet. We took it out. I don't remember whether we put it back right now or not. But we'll talk about that as we get there. Anyway, the total that's the total for these projects. That I've identified or put together here is 9.4 million dollars. When I originally did this memo, I didn't give them a million dollars. When I originally did this memo, I didn't give them a grouping at all. I didn't put them in any kind of tiers and manager asked me to do that. So that's what I did at the bottom of the memo as I added what would be considered tier one type of projects. I still say that they're all important. But anyway, I understand that. So, you know, just like I said, there's 19 different projects on this list. The Chamberlain waterline, you know, we were, we were in design for that. It's actually been around for quite a while to do an upgrade to that line. When we went to the lamp light project, we put that product, the Chamberlain waterline project on hold. It's pretty much ready to go. And to echo what Eric had said to you before this Eric Shepherd is that all these numbers are probably going to go up. You know, this $270,000 was from 20 or 21. So those numbers are certainly gone up. The hydrant replacement. Once again, some of this was for an education. I don't know if you all know that we have over 675 hydrants in the town of Williston. You know, apparently that's a hell of a lot of hydrants. More so actually when you compare it to other towns than other towns because of the spacing that's been used over the years. Anyway, 233 of those hydrants are past our life cycle of 35 years. And those 233 93 of those are over 50 years in service. So we're running the same kind of thing finding parts here and there and those kind of things now we do have a program where we've been replacing some hydrants. Every year and that's in the budget. But I just wanted to show you what those costs would be if we decided to like, maybe go after the ones that are just over 50 years old. Certainly, we're not anxious to go after 233 hydrants in one project either but radio read system that's for the water meter system or water meter or water reading system. The thing that would be really good about that is it's very hard for us to determine water loss. And that's because I mean, it's elite we find it that's fine, but every system has water loss a certain percentage of that is acceptable. CWD, who we buy our water from has two meters that come into the town of Williston, they can tell us exactly what comes into the town on any given day. We can't tell what was used on any given day because of the system we have right now. So what we have to do is we have to go back and when our meters are read try to match dates as close as we can. Sometimes it comes up at 12% sometimes comes up at 16% sometimes. So because you just don't know you just don't know where you're getting the numbers. So having a radio read system would be nice. The thing that's not nice about that one. And once again, even educating myself as we have been replaced going to radio read meters turns out they all have a battery in the top that expires as a 30 year life cycle. And then you got to replace the whole meter. I mean it might be actually 30 years anyway. I don't know, but we do have another one now that has you can just replace the top part of it. So it may or may not be a big anyway that budget is just a guest in it from some talking to some other people, you know, $560,000. What's what is the acceptable percentage loss of water? 10% is what you'd like to get to the state will tell you that's impossible. I will tell you that we we've been the temperatures we've been at 10%. We are above. I know right now we're above 10%. And you know, I really don't mean to blame COVID for me this but COVID's put a damper on a lot of the things we've been able to do. Plus my water foreman has been out of work for six months. I had four for four person water department. He's been out of work for six months. And we lost a person. So now he's down to a two person water department where we normally have four. So we are behind a little bit on. We know that we have something going on up at the Oak Hill pump station that one of the fees the governor or the Thomas Chittin and health center. The performance coming back Friday for the first day. And one of the things we're going to be getting together and talking about and we've got the whole department for so we're back to four people. So we're going to start really going after that again to find out but 10% it's the number you shoot for. Yep, Governor Chittin and road water line project has been around forever before I got here. I was identified as a project through a through a study and a report. It serves so few people it's always been back and back and back and back and back but obviously there was a need for it to be done at some point. I think Jeff may be the last one. Jeff fears house doesn't go very far. A lot of sewer projects on here. Once again, some of this was just to give you an update on where we're at. We've been doing pump stations just pretty religiously every other year. And the goal was always 10, 10 major pump stations that we have need to be rehabbed basically every 20 years. So by doing them the way we're doing them we able to keep a constant rotation going on. We're all going good till Kobe and the North Wilson Road pump station, which we only had one bid for and it came in way over bid. And it was a single bid so we put that on the shelf. And then the Blair Park Hotel came along, which we weren't expecting to happen. We had just done some work to the Blair Park pump station in 2017 when the hotel and the hotel came in and we weren't expecting it pushed that pump station ahead about 10, 15 years on what we were going to need to do for an upgrade. So in 2019 that one got another major upgrade of $500,000. So the ones that we still need to do industrial force main industrial lab is our second biggest pump station takes three quarters of the sewage through the town from the town of Williston. The report that was done in 2017 shows that that force main is going to need to be upgraded. And we had our plan to start it in 2027. It certainly would not hurt if we got it done sooner than that and 2027 really isn't that long away anyway. When you start talking about permitting and things like that. Anyway, the estimate for that one was $450,000. North Wilson Road when I just talked about a little bit we put out to bid the engineer's construction number was 197,000 a single bid we received was 348,000. So we said, no, we'll just wait and rebid it. In the meantime, once again, that Blair Park when came up. And we've been putting $175,000 a year into the sewer capital improvement program just for pump station upgrades. 2023 will finally have enough money built back up in there to start doing our pump station upgrades again. We're really kind of behind because of not doing that North Wilson Road one and the Blair Park one that we weren't expecting. South Ridge. Once again, identified in the 2017 estimated cost of $187,000 River Co our major pump station we could go Monday. First call I get on Monday morning is we just lost River Co pump station. So it's not a kind of phone call you want to get any time let them first thing on Monday morning, both pumps were down. That station was rebuilt. We did the major upgrade in 2013. It was all built and ready to have a third pump installed in the pump itself just was not installed. Well, that one would be very important. And I have an error in this one from that last sentence that should be 2027 at the beginning not 2017. Anyway, that one would be very, be very nice to have that third pump in there just for the redundancy. You lose two pumps. Well, that's one thing. Not really that hard to do because you lose you lose one and you're doing something to it gets clogged up. But if you have three it'd be pretty hard to lose all three at the same time. South Brunel another pump station $125,000 sewer line. Although then once again remember I use some of this as an education thing. The study done in 2017 had a design year of 2037. And there are gravity sewer lines in that report that say are going to have to be rebuilt by 2027 made bigger. I don't have a cost to those but just another heads up kind of thing. Stormwater, water circle, stormwater pipes. The last couple of years we really have had two major failures over there and that thing is over about 15 feet deep. So it's not something that certain we have the ability to do. We have to contract it out each each time it happens. So I went and got a cost to line the whole system. And that cost came in at 141. Once again, that's a 2021 that's probably up 20% by now too. But a very important one to get done before we start losing much more over there. Plans have been sent into the state hasn't been approved yet. Total estimate costs for those projects is going to be for $443,000. Large multiplayer culverts. This is where we start talking about some really large money. There was a study done. I accepted to study a little skeptical over there saying they're average into good. We have done a lot of work in the bottom of those culverts to keep them in keep them in working order. They're not going to last. If you another 15 years, I would be surprised. They're not going to be able to be replaced as culverts. I can guarantee you that they'll end up being great big box culverts like muddy brook or bridges. The way the state will allow us to put culverts back in there. The one we lost on Talcott Road, the reason we were allowed to do the one barrel and put it back in was because the one beside it was still in good shape. When that went, when that one went out, I wanted to get rid of both of them in the state. They said, Ann Arson, no, you can't do that. You can replace the one, but if you go to replace both of them, then you got to come up with a plan and put it in a great big box culvert and all that stuff. So that number estimated in that report was $3.8 million. Bridge 17 Industrial Lab, even in Bridge we have one industrial lab built in 1932, reconstructed in 64. I think it's getting a little old. We did do the deck and awareness there was a few years ago 2016. Even at that time, the person that was at VTrans told me that we're probably looking at 2025 for having a bridge replaced. I do have that. I brought the state around or at least through the Regional Planning Commission that that bridge needs to be on their list for funding, but we'll still have to put some money on that. I said, manage the program. Excuse me, what did we do with the industrial, I don't know, bridge year or two ago. We took the deck off. Well, we ground down the bed spots on the concrete, did some concrete, spa repair, and then put the wearing course back on it. So we have not done any major upgrades. We painted the steel underneath. So just looking at the bridge by itself, Terry, the bridges and looks like it's in decent shape. It was based on that age of 1932. Foundation walls and everything else. I said management program. Something that when I percent the highway budget, we put $10,000 in there. I said I was going to come back in with the three utility budgets. $10,000 piece and I've upped that number to $55,000. Because if we do that, I want to have a really nice robust final project. Great street trader lane. Then working on it. New years. Since before I came here and I'm under 13 years now. We do, we do have estimates on, we had estimates on costs. We know how much money we have to go toward it right now between our money in the state of $1,093,000. We know that number is going to grow by the time we do that project. So it certainly would not be a bad idea to put some more money toward that from some fund. Then the other ones there, the buildings, the old brick church, everybody knows I'm sure that's struck by lightning in 2007. Luckily, the fire chief happened to be driving by, going on fire. With the tower. The tower was on its way out to another fire. He turned them around to come here. So yeah, it was on the road somewhere. He saw and said, no, come back here. So anyway, save the church. We did have a group. We had a report done by the Heritage Protection Group. A gentleman out of Middlebury who was actually on a Middlebury select board, but has done this kind of work all over the country. Actually, when he was doing this report for us, he was on the way back from the Notre Dame fire. So he put this, this little report system together for us and some ideas on what a cost would be. And so you can see that's over $300,000. Town hall annex fire system does not have a fire alarm system. This would be a system that went in there would be wireless. The parking lot for all of us out back $175,000. But that was a little bit that one's going to be low too, because that was before we started thinking about electric cars and putting electric car charging stations in. And the schoolhouse. We did half the building. When we did the budget, we decided to put the other half off to put in next year's budget. But, you know, we've done half of it now. Certainly it won't get any worse probably wait until next year, but wouldn't be a bad thing. We get it done either. So that's our list. And I know a lot of people are looking for money. We're always all looking for money anyway. Some of these that I've identified, we already have some money in the capital improvement program. So there could be some mix and match there. But certainly, you know, I try to I try to be a team player with all the other departments, but I put it right in my right in my memo here that this money should come to us. At some point in time. It all has to be done at some point in time. Well, that's the thing. And certainly, I mean, we're all in the same world economy right now. Things have gone up. Some things will come back down. But overall, the cost aren't going to come down anymore. So the only way I see it is they're going to keep going up. And, you know, one of the things when I first came to Wilson that I like and I still like is that we have a good robust capital improvement program. I was always impressed with that. But even with that kind of program. Like I said, I use some of this as an education tool. We got $9 million for the projects out there that are still waiting to be done. That number is not going to go down. And these are all important projects. Some obviously, you know, I would admit more so than others. Some of these are kind of critical to get done quicker if we can. So. Questions or Bruce. Just a note to add. As Bruce mentioned, the board will have the enterprise funds water sewer storm water budgets for us 23 on your agenda at a main meeting. And one thing we'll plan to also look at. It's the unrestricted net position of the, especially the sewer storm water fund. That's the enterprise. That's the firm for a fund balance for those, for those funds. And it's, it's, it's accumulating. Being with the finance director. Town and criminals have a policy on what level to have that position. So it may be something for the board to look out of where that that position is does for one thing about a policy for a level of that that position. Some of those funds could be used towards some of these projects that Bruce is outlining either as a component or to work through some of these projects. So, kind of for the board to keep that piece in mind as well. There might be some additional opportunities to explore where the towns accumulated some some funds to invest in some of this infrastructure may not need all through the board wants to go. All these projects that I've listed on here are with the exception of maybe one or two are all enterprise. They all affect the rate. So, you know, we have money that we can put toward them that doesn't affect the rate and that's one of the ways to think about it in my opinion too. So, good point. All right. Thank you. Thank you. So I think the one thing that we might be able to take action on tonight as far as the ARPA funds is the suggestion from town manager about the three bucket mess. Whether we're happy with going with that, then we can go forward to take a look at putting money in different projects. Any comments on that. So, the concept is three categories capital projects, projects, reflective town goals and. Reservation of money over time was general fund revenue. Yeah, yeah, kind of that that reserve. Bucket is, I think we're going to see additional funding opportunities come out potential grant opportunities for for match dollars. So, thinking about from a revenue component, the board allocated $300,000 in the coming budget year of 23. And thinking about how our revenues line up and just usually using some ARPA to offset any potential to help smooth any future tax projected increases and and being aware where the fund balance is using some of those funds to leverage that. My initial thought might be designated, you know, at least a half million or so in that category, it can be assigned over time, but got a couple of years to kind of see how things play out a little bit too. These three categories of their fluid, we could move within them, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That would be the idea. You know, you kind of say, well, maybe this, this capital project, we want to really move forward in the short term. Let's staff please go ahead and work on get that project moving. Park the rest and reserve to allocate over time. Then maybe you find some things when designated hasn't occurred yet and then we find a grant opportunity and we can, we can replace those funds and you can reallocate those funds because you've got. It doesn't have to all be finally allocated in a 2024. So the board has to recalibrate. Does it have to be spent by 2024? By the end of 2026. Yeah. Do we have any information about the federal infrastructure act that was passed? We've tried to gather some preliminarily. I'll say it's kind of trickling out. And speaking with colleagues at VLCT and the regional planning commission, I think we'll start to see more over the coming months. But that's a good, a good point, Terry, that. You know, there could be some of those funds available. So it might be advantageous to kind of wait on some of these programs and maybe there's a 50% match. But, you know, even if you're 50% match on a big project, using these funds to leverage that is a lot more viable than just spending it all quickly on a project too. So the project reflected the town goals. This is where we're thinking we'll primarily get input from folks within the town and through the public hearing process is that, you know, we're going to... What you're imagining for that piece? Yeah, that was one idea. You know, I think if we go through the comprehensive town plan in more detail, I know there's a number of, you know, top by head a number of projects, affordable housing, energy goals. Diversity, equity, inclusion work for the community. You know, I could think some allocations there, starting with these really big capital projects tonight, but the board wants to designate a certain amount of ARPA funds towards these goals. And not necessarily knowing exactly how to use it, but maybe it's just a category for the ARPA funds and then staff and kind of hold on that and designate them for that purpose. And just that again, maybe we get some grant money to offset that too, but really looking for the board's vision for these ARPA funds and, you know, it could all be spent on capital pretty easily too. So there's a lot of directions you could decide to go in, but the thought is having that public feedback loop is certainly recommended from at the federal level and the state level. So it could be, could be a public hearing just for general input, a public hearing to react to an initial spending plan that you direct staff to put together based on some of our initial discussions here. So I would just look for the board's direction of how you want to, how you want this process to go here. So I don't have to decide at all. I do support the idea of the free buckets. I do think that, you know, this is a way to ensure that, you know, we're meeting lots of different needs of our community in our town. I really, I do feel it's imperative to the public input piece and know that there are a lot of different goals and I think even just the process of kind of evaluating, you know, what we've already stated through the town plan or some of these, these, the DEI initiatives and, you know, again, the energy, you know, we've spent a lot of focus and time on the energy, the plan and the committee and a higher coordinator and super excited about that it may involve though some capital or some some fund output to implement some of the goals of the energy plan. You know, we may need to think about that. So, you know, I could see that being part of that, that, that town goals piece, but yeah, I very much love to, to get their input, but I think this is a kind of fair way to initially get the ball rolling. You know, we're never going to get it 100%, you know, right. So, yeah. It's a starting point. That's how I see it. And I think we have, you know, flexibility on moving things around as things come. I mean, we have things out there that we may be able to apply for for grants who'd mentioned before stuff comes in. We could make that shift. I'd be in support of it. Sort of be a living document in that, you know, as we go along and modify it, as we see what these are. Sounds like they are an agreement to start out the process and I would say the bucket list, the bucket list. I think that's all we can do tonight on this subject. I had some notes, the boards and just just on the Chilling County Public Safety Authority, there's a potential capital need there. I could, I could brief the board on that for a couple of minutes here. You want to do that under a manager's report? Sure. Okay. That's where we're at. Yeah, but just on the, on that theme, the Chilling County Public Safety Authority, this is regional dispatch. I serve on the board to represent the town on that. We continue to meet in a couple of months and the hurdle to make this operational is amassing capital funds for infrastructure. I think a dispatch center needs to be established with radio consoles and infrastructure to have probably up to five or more communities dispatch out of the same place. So, a consultant was hired a couple of years ago by the CCPSA and identified their startup capital costs of just over 2.4 million. So, the board's been working hard, especially our chair, fire chief, a lot kind of Burlington to truly lead this effort to find capital funds available. So, to date, I shared a couple of weeks ago, Congressman Welch helped secure a $750,000 federal earmark and the new federal budget towards this project. We've also received a $250,000 in Homeland Security grants and we have another application for about 150,000 from Homeland Security. So, it just under half has been amassed so far for CCPSA. Then in the Vermont legislature this session, Department of Public Safety is looking at a proposal that would have 11 million of one time state level ARPA money towards standing up regional dispatch centers as the state is looking to as we've talked about before. Wean itself off of providing municipal dispatch services for agencies. So, looking to stand up these centers and the centers need capital to get started, some like CCPSA are far along in their developments. So, the commissioner's proposal the legislature is looking at is having 11 million dollars as a grant program for these regional centers. So, there is a potential pathway seeing. Signing on where the legislature wants to go that we could apply for that remaining capital through this grant program and CCPSA may get some or all of it. We're kind of going with this as if we don't get that last capital dollars, the member municipalities would be likely the board would pass them to consider. A contribution towards that last capital. So, for CCPSA our formula has been a 3 year call average. Split up amongst the member towns to then split the cost so Wilson shares about 10%. So, I think our. What we're lacking in funding right now is just about 1.43 million. So, Wilson could be asked to contribute 143,000 ballpark grandest that might go up with the cost of things these days to, but. That request could come and when that request does come the ARPA funds, maybe a pool for consideration for the town to look at if. You know, in that point would really need to decide wants to move ahead for looking to procure services from that regional type of capital investment. We put in about 35,000 towards a separate pool for just building up fit amount cost that was part of the 2 budgets ago. But, you know, it's I think this this group's worked really hard and the boards. I know this has been talked about for decades in Chittenden County and it's probably as far as it's ever gotten. So. It's exciting, but it's still a lot of work to be done. So it's bring out to the board's attention as that's a potential need and short to medium term that may come up. But you live in me and survive the in the budget that was just passed on Friday out of the house. So, you see what happens with the Senate and then community conference. Any other energy report? I'll just share to our, thanks to our planning department planning commission. The my tap corners project for form based code, which the board is going to be waiting into in May. Vermont planners association. Does projects of the year award and I'm pleased to announce that that project has been named the planning project of the year last week. It's wonderful. It's great. It's recognized by peer planners and planning commissions across the state. So. The staff and when the join them will be recognized that recess reception at the state house in a couple of weeks. Nice, give them credit for all that work and the work that the board will be coming your way soon. A lot of work. Sure. And just to just remind her for the board, I'll, the meeting next week, I will be here. I'll be away. So I'm assistant to the manager Aaron Dickinson will be here supporting the board that way. And give her a workout next week. We went over to today. The little quirks. She has been listening into the, it's like work, maybe it's right along. So it won't be a surprise to her. And I just went back to the chat. I have a hand raised Terry from from Chapin Cainard. I have a hand raised in the chat from Chapin Cainard. If you want to take any, any comment. Sure. I Chapin. Sorry, I just got back to see you had your hand raised. I'm going to come. Wait, his hand went down. No, it went back up. I'm going to connect you to talk now, Chapin. Hold on just a moment. Hi. I was lowering my hand just to get it out of the way. I read all the materials and I listened to the presentations tonight, but I didn't sign on till after Eric's introduction. So I apologize if what I say was in what he said, but it wasn't in his overview that was written. Just a reminder, as I'm sure you're all aware that when we get an energy coordinator and energy planner as our position, that that person will have capital budget. Request as well as other budget requests. And some of those projects are going to return money to the town. You know, sort of along the line of the solar trackers and the meadow behind the town hall. If they get more municipal solar. Approved. And I think actually Eric did mention this in terms of what maximums we can have, but I think there's ways around that. And. Of electrifying the transportation. Vehicles that the town has from police. And so forth that we will. Actually be returning money to the budget in the future with some of those capital investments. And so that would be a shame to miss them. The opportunity to fund that some of them. But that we don't have that basically department head at this point to be presenting anything tonight. So I just wanted to make sure you hold that thought in how you allocate the funds. Thank you. Good. Thank you. And we would anticipate that they will be in the line with everybody else on the capital. Destruction. Bill. So. Part of the budget. Thank you. Is there any other business that we should be taken up tonight? Hearing none. Then we will be adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. If we should be taken up tonight hearing nothing then we will adjourned.